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2141  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are you in profit? on: November 22, 2023, 06:28:48 PM


it's amazing you are making profits from gambling, this activity come out deadly for many people.
do you play provably fair games, live casino games, or bet on sports? from which games you are able to make profit?
and you said you changed your strategy, is it strategy like we play on autobet type or you are saying strategy to your actions like playing some games which you know, how to control mind while losing, etc.
we need your tips and tricks so we can win too.
First of all I don't gamble much in online casinos but I mostly bet on different sports. Earlier I placed one bet without considering the profit and loss and some bets I placed without understanding due to which I lost most of the bets earlier. I have mentioned some strategy changes in betting that strategy is that I now bet on the match where one team is much stronger than the other team. When one team is much stronger than the other, the stronger team will have a better chance of winning the match and I use this strategy in every betting. I have a good understanding of football cricket and using that understanding I am trying to make good bets and my profit is more if I calculate the profit and loss. If you have enough knowledge about football or cricket or other sports then you should follow this strategy hope you will succeed.
Betting is still gambling, it is really just that having the different thing considering that luck based and strategic based are really that totally different. There are really just those people who are really that having some interest on playing luck based or both or whatsoever. In speaking about profits then it would really vary because pretty sure that most of us would really be on negative
because we do know that house do always win but there are some bettors who are really that in positive. There's no way on determining the stats but pretty sure that there are still those gamblers who are profitable and majority is really that on losing side. In my case then im really that definitely on negative.

Play for fun and this is the most important thing, you wont really be that stressing yourself on how much you do lose and how much you do win if you are really just that enjoying the game.
You are really just that basically paying up for the fun and winning is really just that a bonus.

Everyone has their own luck, some are very lucky and some are unlucky by always losing even dominating in each of their sessions, and of course the point is that this is gambling where all the final sessions will depend on how lucky you are at that time, so in terms of luck you will not be able to force that luck to come in a row at each of your gambling, if you are too imposing or don't believe then just try to gamble as often as possible then surely what happens is not profit but even greater defeat. This is why there is no reason for anyone to overdo it, let alone gamble with the intention of earning, it is very dangerous and not recommended.

Gambling and its systems are created by casinos and with that it is ridiculous if you want to fight the casino algorithm by wanting a lot of winnings, I think that assumption is very wrong, this is a business for casinos so maybe you also already know that from five tries for example you might only get one win or not at all.

That's right, don't overdo it and it's better to gamble just for fun or to fill your empty time, don't have high hopes because winning is nothing more than a gift, you have to be strict with the concept of real gambling.
2142  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Has anyone been able to make steady income with gambling ? on: November 22, 2023, 06:00:44 PM
Has anyone been able to make steady income with gambling ? If yes, what had been your strategy ? Do you diversify to multiple games in order to ensure that end result is always profit ?

I personally feel that there are very less chances of making a steady income with gambling. In fact, if you win a big amount in gambling, from there on , you should play games with less on stake and keep the winnings invested in some good option like crypto. It is important to have self control to end profitably with gambling ventures online. Do you agree with this ?
No gamblers make steady income with gambling and we all know the fact that it is unstable nad has no guarantee of a winning streak. Gambling depends on your luck and that how gamblers fate is relying on. To become successful in gambling you should be very lucky. 😁

Only silly and stupid people have the mindset or believe that they can earn consistently just by gambling, I'm sure their brains and minds are completely disturbed and maybe they are already in a high level of addiction so they can assume like that. Of course as you said that the real fact is that there is no guarantee or certainty for you to win at the end of the session, how could they assume that in a place that only relies on luck. If gambling can be used as a place to make a steady income then why are many people down with the number of defeats? in gambling the real fact is that the more you get involved or try, the more you will lose, it has been proven and many people have experienced.

So I hope before they come and get involved I hope they can see first what gambling is, don't just focus on the chances of winning because there are other more surprising risks that you never expected before, if you really don't believe and still want to bring that mindset, go ahead, that's your right, but remember not to blame others when the downturn occurs. If you want to get rich just by then there is no other way unless you build your own casino and become a croupier, because the house will always win.
2143  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is this a good advice? on: November 22, 2023, 05:40:19 PM
I must say that anyone who tells you that the more you gamble, the closer you are to your jackpot does not really know what they are telling you. You asked your friend a good question, though, and that was very smart of you. I believe the question took a down tone on him, making him rethink his gambling life and what he has just asked you in person. Most times, people just say things to promote their brand without thinking of the repercussions. They must know what they are doing and get at you just to join them and become addicts, and I must say that your friend did that so you could give in to his casino and become a gambler with his casino while earning a referral bonus from you if I am not mistaken.
That's true because they want to see us experience more and more losses by continuing to gamble. They actually don't want to see us win, so they tempt us to continue gambling. They or even we can indeed win from gambling, but the problem is, we and they will not know when we can win. We may only be able to continue gambling, but we have to control ourselves so that we don't experience too many losses. It won't be worth doing, especially if we use more money than before. And if you gamble too often, it can make you addicted to gambling, and maybe when you change your goals, the gambling addiction will actually come. Those who spend more time in the casino will not be closer to winning, but they may be closer to losing. If they remain unaware, they will regret it once they know the truth. So pay attention to yourself and always limit your gambling activities rather than experiencing a gambling addiction.

And that's what casinos want from their players, all casinos provide paid games of course to generate profits for their own casinos so they expect everyone to spend a lot of money in their casinos. Even if we get a win, there will definitely be a sense of wanting to get a bigger win and this is what the casino wants with people who continue gambling when they win so that they can take back the winnings obtained by the player, and this has indeed happened with many gamblers who are driven by greed to pursue bigger wins and in the end the casino gives the end with defeat to those who continue gambling.

Obviously they should be aware of the gambling that will spend a lot of time and mainly their money, because the losses will be a lot to get instead of the victory they will get easily.
2144  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: November 22, 2023, 05:21:46 PM
It's not like that, but most of them are like that because they can't control themselves properly, so they gamble continuously because they have become addicted, and basically the human mind is easily tempted by advertisements on the internet, they are already interested, especially when they play, and what I know in my experience, beginners who gamble will be given a small win to attract them deeper, even though they know it's an attractant but it doesn't guarantee them to stop there, surely they will return to gambling and continue like that until they experience gambling addiction. In fact, when they have experienced addiction, it will make them turn into a more sensitive person, and in my opinion, relationships with lovers will also be affected, even with family, even if it will happen if they are severely addicted, I say this because according to the main topic "the madness of addicts", drug addicts or gambling are equally bad, both of these will harm themselves in terms of finance, health, and relationships. More or less, their friends will stay away because they don't want to get carried away with this dangerous addiction. And remember they need to be able to control themselves before gambling.

Not loving our self, will affect others not to love us. Gambling addiction, helps our loved ones to some extent, to stop loving us in future. They'll pretend to stick by us, but when the addiction doesn't allow us enough time to think properly, they, our loved ones, will find a way of adjusting their friendship with the addicted person. It's certain that most indoor gamblers expose themselves to gambling addiction, because their actions are hidden. And can hardly be traced by other people around them. It's normal to find a person we can trust, as gambling newbies, could be a gambler, and discuss our new habits, and how it's affecting our daily activities. Because most of them don't enjoy the money won, which is attributed to greed. They easily get glued to gambling and forget about other exercises like reading and working out. Which they used to practice before they became gamblers. Such a new development, opens an avenue for questions. Close family members can query him. Nothing can be hidden for so long. They can ask questions like, I hardly see you reading, like before, what is it that replaced your reading habit? The way we ask the question also determines if they'll tell us the truth or get cunning about their answer. Asking such people questions like "what's wrong with you?" may not be effective. Because within them, nothing is wrong. Hence, having a discussion session with them using questions to steal the truth from them can be very effective. The reason, which is bad, why people or friends avoid addicted gamblers is, they feel nothing can be done to help. Some only get concerned, if the addicted person now steals or borrows money from them without paying back a dime. If not for actions like that, the addicted person will be allowed to waste years in addiction, provided he uses his funds to finance his bad habit. Thereby leading the player to a more difficult situation, as getting depressed. 

That's for sure, because people who are addicted to gambling will experience something bad, even with their common sense.  So it's natural that people stay away from those who are addicted because I also don't want to get carried away with things that are not good. I gamble, but I can say I'm not addicted because I can still limit gambling by not going crazy chasing victory. don't be like that, when someone gets a big win it could also be that they avoid their old friends and make new friends, this has become a natural law that must be experienced by many people. To enjoy the winning money of course they have to fight the greed that is in them,  but most of them when they get the winnings they can't fight the greed so they continue the game to pursue a bigger win than the winnings they have got. This often happens to all gamblers and becomes a difficult thing to avoid when getting a big win and that way they will only focus on gambling and ignore other things, even though there are also many important things they have to do besides gambling. But with their focus on gambling so they don't think about other things that are more important to them. Of course this is detrimental to themselves, because by focusing on gambling, a lot of time is lost in vain.

People's thoughts are different, some are frank about their gambling habits. By telling their family or friends, maybe the goal is that they can get advice or advice so that they don't fall deeper into gambling or what is called addiction. And on the other hand, there are those who hide their gambling habits, because they are embarrassed if their family and friends find out about their gambling habits, they know that what they do is something that has a negative point of view in society and that is a true fact, so it is natural that they hide their gambling habits, with gambling addiction can bring unreasonable things, maybe friends will avoid people who are addicted because they are afraid that they will borrow money forcibly, Because the addiction drive that makes them more aggressive can argue with anyone who prevents them from gambling, but for families like his they will not stay away from him because after all family is the most valuable treasure, because when a person addicted to gambling is in a bad position I think the family will still accept it by advising him slowly so that they realize what they are doing is wrong. Those who are severely addicted will commit evil acts that are beyond reason such as stealing,  robbing or other criminal acts. And this should be avoided even though it is difficult to avoid.
2145  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: November 22, 2023, 04:59:27 PM
~snip~
The importance of the role of family, no matter how bad it is for us to gamble, don't ever leave your family, let alone not be honest with them that you are a gambler, no one cares about your life, everyone may only be able to give advice and even that may be difficult for you to accept, because addicts will not can be cured only with advice without encouragement from those closest to him. for example, his family is very important.

I know how the process of healing gambling addiction is because I saw my friend do it himself because he had exceeded his normal limits as a gambler so he had to start from himself without having to involve other people, his family only gave him encouragement so that he could recover from his addiction. Finally, after several years, he managed to recover. Now he enjoys life without gambling and is happy with his family.
But there are still many who are not honest with their families, especially when it comes to gambling. They feel it is better to hide their gambling activities than to tell other family members, even though hiding their gambling activities from their family members can cause problems that they will never realize. And yes, if someone is addicted to gambling and gets advice from other family members, maybe they won't be able to accept it easily, and maybe there should be someone else outside the circle of family members who can advise him so that he wants to reduce his gambling activities.

Your friend is willing to realize his gambling addiction and is willing to learn to heal himself even though there is no family to help him and only encourage him. But maybe for him, that was enough, so he continued to undergo the process of healing his gambling addiction until he finally recovered. It requires very strong determination and effort, and perhaps only a few can do it.

People's thoughts are different, so they can have what they think is best for themselves, hiding or telling it in my opinion will still bring its own problems, because after all gambling is something that is not good in society. So there are those who hide their gambling activities because they are embarrassed if they find out about their activities, and there are those who tell it to explain their habits, depending on the person himself. And in my opinion, people who like to gamble tend to find it difficult to accept advice from other people even if they are family or close friends, sometimes they can also argue back because they don't accept advice.
To stop gambling is very difficult not only gambling all things that have become a habit that is said to be addicted will be difficult to cure, as you said, it takes a strong determination to stop gambling is true and I want to add, when an addict wants to quit the addiction then he will be determined with all his might to resist the desire to gamble. But if they want to gamble half-heartedly or there is still a feeling of wanting to gamble it will be in vain, it is better for them to continue gambling until they feel at the lowest point in order to fully realize the gambling that has made him lose a lot and not in terms of money alone. So in my opinion there must be a definite intention with all their heart first to stop. then they will be able to accept advice from family or people around them.
2146  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A gambler's family action. on: November 22, 2023, 04:29:43 PM

But as far as I know, usually when they get a win, let alone to spend it, sometimes just to withdraw it they can't, because they are tempted by the bigger winnings they expect, because with a small winnings it makes them more confident with the next winnings they will get and bigger wins, even though it is not necessarily possible to get it because if like that they can lose the winnings they have got, and in the end they will get a defeat that will make them upset with the lost winnings.
As you said,  gambling cannot guarantee a win that will be easy to get. Because casino gambling also creates the game to make money not to give money to the players easily. So they should be aware of the meaning of gambling which is only for entertainment, not to provide large amounts of winnings. and they should be able to control themselves by when they get the winnings, they immediately cash them out, not playing them again. because if that's the case, they will lose the winnings they have got.
The thing that kill many gamblers in terms of loses records is their inability to walk away after a test of the winnings,  and casinos are aware of that and that is why their always make every possible attempts to offers you early winning to keep you stick in and eventually losing more in the process, this is a mechanism that many gamblers are not aware of and reason why most of them always end of recording more loses tan winning.
For instance when I placed a vet with an odds of 2.8 and the result came out as winning, I immediately withdrew my winning and walked away looking forward to another great day when and when my luck would shine once again.

And that's the reality that many people do, with the difficulty of cashing out or withdrawing the winnings they have gotten, so they continue to play to get a bigger win, and maybe this choice will kill them themselves because the chances of getting another win are very slim and almost impossible to get a bigger win. With the initial win that they get, I think it's just a kasnio trick to attract more people who play so that they will continue to pursue bigger wins.
This is difficult to avoid by people who gamble. But it is natural that they want a bigger win, because everyone who plays also wants it, but unfortunately it is difficult to get and what happens instead they lose more money.
2147  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is not a steady income haven on: November 22, 2023, 04:10:29 PM
I know it’s very easy to make money in gambling. That’s kind of the whole lure of it, that you can make money, fast, and easily. But gambling it's not a steady income due to the high risk involved. It’s great to win money! People love that! That's why they gamble in the first place. The main issue with gambling is that while people win money, they lose even more money if they don't know how to control it. Like I said in other post, you should know how to control it and set limitation for yourself.

On the contrary, it’s not very easy to make money in gambling. Perhaps notions like these are what makes people go into gambling hoping to make easy money quickly only to later realize after having bad losses, that it’s not so easy to make money with gambling.
Of course, it’s great to win money and most people would love winning money but the desire to win money should not cloud any sense of judgement. It’s not that easy to win money in gambling and if you do win, don’t be in a hurry to stake more in a bid to win more else, you’re going to be very sorry.

Yes, never to be such a greedy when you are placing your pick, most of the time that's the reason why instead of making money you lose a lot becuase you don't know how to properly manage your finances, just the thinking that if luck permits you may quickly double your money and win a lot, things that linger inside you and give you that impression that you can keep making decent amount of winning by pushing yourself into gmbling and treat the place as a good venue for  making money.

They tend to be greedy when they get a win, by continuing to play gambling because they want a bigger win with a lack of satisfaction with the winnings they have gotten. This greed will cause them to become addicted to gambling, with a sense of dissatisfaction also encouraging them to continue gambling by not realizing the impact and risks of gambling. Even if they are lucky, they will get a bigger win, but in reality many people get defeated after deciding to return to gambling.
Making gambling as a source of easy money income is done by many people, assuming that the victory will be easy to get, if you look back, maybe they have spent a lot of money to get that victory, because unconsciously they are focused only on pursuing big wins.
2148  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you ever been a gambling addict? on: November 22, 2023, 03:45:30 PM
There was a time when I just bet for the sake of betting. So I guess it's addiction already.  In the past, I also felt the urge to play games and there were times when I forced it even if I had priorities to do. And then I felt bad when luck was not on my side so it's better if I just gave a pass and did my other priorities. But they are not something serious because I always bet according to my financial status. And it is very important for us to continue learning lessons in life to become a better person. I still bet regularly with minimal amounts and I am having fun with it.

There are several purposes that make someone come or get involved in gambling, including gambling to find entertainment when they are bored or to fill their empty time and there are also those who deliberately come with the aim of earning income, for these two choices honestly it is completely out of the control of others and only they know about what their purpose is in coming to this gambling activity. But sometimes even if you come just for entertainment it will not always rule out the possibility that you will feel addicted, why? logically everyone needs money and when they get a win then their common sense about the real understanding of gambling will be easily disturbed, which initially they understand that this is an activity that is nothing more than fun but as time goes by and is accompanied by getting a win then slowly their mindset will change and become serious in terms of putting hope.

The feeling of fun and excitement generated from gambling especially because of the winnings will make them forget about everything including limits, which is why they always force something that is basically difficult to achieve, they start to depend on this activity. You have a great way of engaging in your gambling by only putting an amount that you can always account for, that's the best.
2149  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Question for those who loose too frequently in gambling on: November 22, 2023, 03:10:00 PM
I honestly believe that the defeat that continues to dominate makes you uncomfortable with all the pressure you feel there, it seems like you have to consider from various sides about whether gambling is good for you or not, if the reality is that this activity only adds to the problem, especially in your finances then why not stop early? You can't always force luck to come to you, it all runs randomly and can never be predicted. All the ways you do will still end up in vain if luck is not on your side. On the other hand I'm sure the reason you've lost a lot of money is because you came with the wrong intentions and shouldn't, there is absolutely no guarantee for anyone to win easily, you can achieve it on condition that you have to be willing to spend more capital or that means gambling more often then at a certain time I'm sure you will be able to at least get one win, but on the other hand I would ask if that amount is balanced or can cover the capital you spend with several failed attempts? I'm not sure if it's appropriate.

So the bottom line is if this activity only causes a lot of problems then I hope you can be firm with yourself that this is not a good place for you, forget all hopes, no one is rich just by gambling except the bookie.
2150  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When does the moment come when the gambler loses control? on: November 22, 2023, 02:46:21 PM

If you enter gambling out of desperation, it’s the same as simply throwing money into a burning fire. I will never go for such players. As for me, I bet on football matches to get a little fun and excitement in the game. It even brings a little joy, but not despair.

As well, gamblers who allow desperation to have a better part of them are those who gamble more than they can afford and so they try to chase back those loses. Gambling is not a source of income or living but a trier to multiply our bankroll so we can't afford to do gambling like all our lives depends on the winning for survival. Do a budget of the bankroll and when you exhaust it without winning then rest and play next time, this is the reasonable practice to gambling and that will not cause any gambler to be desparate but more people will get to that level if they keep depending on gambling to survive in this harsh economy.
Taking a break after a significant loss is smart, but reason can't always overcome our emotions. I would even say that almost never, this is the main idea of gambling. I know that some professional players who have been making money from gambling for many years (and we know very, very few of them) can continue to play even after a strong loss. Probably it was tilt, but this is what distinguishes a professional: this can happen to him no more than 3 times a year and he always says what he feels in order to understand whether tilt affects his decision-making or not. I stopped playing with high stakes because I know that I have no advantage with smart decisions over the gambling platform.

The fact is that not everyone can defeat their curiosity and their selfish feelings, indeed the best way is as you say that is to stop immediately when your gambling session is closed with defeat, but it is very difficult to do and maybe only some people can do it, because usually when you lose, your emotions will increase because the final result is not what you want, especially if you gamble with a large enough budget, and with that the curiosity is getting higher which is driven by uncontrolled emotions, which is why gamblers can lose more than what they originally budgeted, none other than because all the starting points of the problem are in the mindset that is too excessive in expectations.

In my opinion there are some significant differences between professional gamblers and novice gamblers, it is clear because in terms of how they play professional gamblers are more experienced and that means they will know better what to do and what to avoid in certain conditions, basically every gambler definitely wants to win but for those who are experienced they have ways to minimize the amount of loss one of which is by stopping when losing, they will not let emotions get the better of them, because of course if they let it then surely they will lose all control.
2151  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is not a steady income haven on: November 21, 2023, 06:24:31 PM
Gamblers know its not a steady income. Often tmes they lost money either online and offline.

Developing a casino is not for everyone also. There are many casinos who already gave up after years of operating. Their funds run out and because of the competition, they died.

Thogh I would like owning a casino, I probably would fail like them because of th competition of casinos. This where casinos clash even in this forum the biggest casino needs to stay on top like Stake.
I think that those casinos that died have something they are doing wrong, maybe they don't have some funds in place and they thought they can still make money starting the business, my question for you sir is what could possibly happen if a casino isn't making money? It's not as if they are on some count down time that's running out, if your casino isn't attracting new gambler then you should focus on marketing strategies, can't deny that many are not good in this field, some know it's the right thing but they can't spend money.

This is why running a casino isn't for everyone, you need a lot of money, because you will be spending a lot on marketing before your casino become well known, you have to be sure that you are capable of the funding, it's not something you can start right now and hope you make money first.

Also location matters, and that's why I don't like offline casinos, they are harder compare to running online casino, you don't need a good crowd location to start the business, just do some marketing online and find streamers with load of followers.

if too many people get big wins that they run out of funds, but I don't think that's possible.
In my opinion,  if casinos don't make money, then why do they open casinos? Because basically casinos are created to provide games where the games are set up to make money, by providing paid games for people who play them, and with games that have been set up, they set them up to not be defeated by people or players. And as you said about marketing strategies, in my opinion with the development of technology today online gambling is mostly done by casinos, because that way people can play without having to go to a physical casino and this is also a strategy to reap greater profits, because more and more people will play without having to go to a physical casino. By placing advertisements on the internet, because the percentage of people today, they spend more time with their gadgets, and it will make it easier for them to do online gambling because it is easy for anyone to do.
2152  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you ever been a gambling addict? on: November 21, 2023, 06:06:42 PM
When you are addicted even your savings will also be used for it. Good thing that I have never done that, although I've got a few savings in the bank but I have never used any of them for gambling.

Most of the time, when I have cash in the past, I just use amount that's spare to me for any recreational actvity like gambling.

Never got to that point but I became active gambler before.

The thing you mentioned is likely to be done by gamblers who have experienced severe addiction, because when the heavy addict has run out of his remaining money or the money they usually use for gambling, they will do anything to get back to gambling. first, maybe they will do what you said, by using the savings they have. And it could be that they use up all their savings because of the pursuit of victory that is difficult to get. Secondly, they may borrow from their family, friends, and even the bank, with the risk of not playing. But if they borrow to the bank maybe it can still be said to be uncertain, because it will involve many parties. Third, they can commit crimes. and this is what I am most afraid of,  maybe not only me but their own families will also feel what I feel, because of the addiction that will have a dangerous bad impact on themselves or even others, because by committing this crime it must involve other people who do not know anything. with its high risk it can even involve the authorities but they tend to do it because of the high desire to gamble so they can't help it.
2153  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A gambler's family action. on: November 21, 2023, 05:40:36 PM
Money can be intoxicating sometimes and only a few percentage of persons in the world actually know how to control the pressure and influence that comes with money control. I have had so many friends who were successful in hitting some significant profits in gambling but all end up squandering the fund in different things just because they have this perception that it's actually free money and should be spent anyhow.
It is very difficult to be able to control the money we have no matter how much we have if we can't use it properly of course the money will easily run out and we don't even know where the money is used, when someone wins a bet in the gambling we play of course they have to be able to controlling themselves, it would be better to take the winnings they have got and enjoy them, rather than looking for bigger wins and spending all the winnings they have got.
Most gamblers can't keep that money after they win. As soon as they win, they want to use the money for various purposes and at one point even spend their entire winnings. But they should understand what happens if they lose when gambling again after winning. Where the money will come from at that time? Every gambler should conduct gambling with patience and spend the winnings properly. If the winning money can be invested in any investment or profitable venture then the money can support the gambler in transition from there. Since there is no guarantee of winning in gambling, gambling can be managed well if money is adequate for gambling.

But as far as I know, usually when they get a win, let alone to spend it, sometimes just to withdraw it they can't, because they are tempted by the bigger winnings they expect, because with a small winnings it makes them more confident with the next winnings they will get and bigger wins, even though it is not necessarily possible to get it, because if like that they can lose the winnings they have got, and in the end they will get a defeat that will make them upset with the lost winnings.
As you said,  gambling cannot guarantee a win that will be easy to get. Because casino gambling also creates the game to make money not to give money to the players easily. So they should be aware of the meaning of gambling which is only for entertainment, not to provide large amounts of winnings. and they should be able to control themselves by when they get the winnings, they immediately cash them out, not playing them again. because if that's the case, they will lose the winnings they have got.
2154  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When does the moment come when the gambler loses control? on: November 21, 2023, 05:20:51 PM
There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?
In cases like this there are many moments that can make a person lose control of gambling, even though he already has financial restrictions, what you mentioned is one example that indeed such things often happen to gamblers that ultimately make someone continue gambling, because they want to return to the best state before.

And usually because of that, their mentality also becomes bad, because they think they can return to their previous situation, even though they are even more in a downturn, and at that time what they have built before gambling to follow the rules is all destroyed by such a small mistake. emotional control is very important in cases like this, which if you have good emotional control, you will always be wiser in trying your luck even after winning, you play once more and then lose, you will still stop because you feel that the benefits of the previous multiples are still mostly on your side.

I think this kind of mistake is more likely in slot gamblers. Grin

I think they lose control when they get a small win, because at that time they will be confused about continuing the game or cashing it in. But most of those who continue the game because of a small win think that their luck has not run out, so they decide to continue the game even though by continuing the game, it is not necessarily going to get another win, instead it can spend the winnings they got at the beginning.
What often happens, when they continue the game, and most of the gamblers who continue the game they get a win that makes them upset and want to return the winnings they have gotten, but it needs to be underlined, with the loss of the winnings they get, based on their own choices, so they should be able to accept it instead of getting upset and wanting to gamble again. And this in my opinion can be said to be the moments when they lose control.
2155  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The most important thing in a betting site on: November 21, 2023, 05:01:38 PM
If a casino site can complete the withdrawal process as soon as possible, it will certainly be very pleasant for those who have just won to be able to enjoy the victory. You are right, the casino must have a team that can work well so that they can complete every responsibility. which has been given to them well.
But if the win is a big win, the casino will not allow gamblers to withdraw their winnings easily because the casino will definitely ask us to verify our account first. But if the winnings are not too big, we may process our winnings. But usually, the casino takes little time to complete the withdrawal process, especially if it is a trusted casino. But if the casino takes more than a day to complete the process, it is questionable because it takes too long. Having a solid team is a must for a casino so that there are no complaints from its customers. And that is why the casino must make improvements based on suggestions from its customers to improve the casino's service to its customers.

sometimes there are also casinos that take a long time with the withdrawal process. I myself have experienced it, when I am happy with a small amount and withdraw it, they process it quickly, so that nothing happens that is not wanted so all is well, different when I get a large enough win, when I withdraw it, they process it long enough, you can even say that it is almost not confirmed, after that I asked the staff, and finally they processed the winnings that I got in large quantities, although with a long process.
I don't know why they take so long to process large withdrawals, maybe they won't pay, but I have a friend who hit the jackpot, but it was complicated by the casino and its staff, in the end it could be cashed out even though some of it was lost or the withdrawal was not what the casino itself wanted (cut).
2156  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 21, 2023, 02:41:01 PM

The game will be very difficult to predict because both teams are in top form. City will be without Mateo Kovacic, Nathan Ake, Matheus Nunes, Ederson, and Erling Haaland which might have little effect on the cityzen's performance because these players a very important to the team. Liverpool has injury concerns with players like Konaté, Gravenberch, Gomez, and Robertson sidelined for the big game. In the last four games that both teams played, City won two and the Reds also got two wins.
The game that's likely to be the major focus for the weekend in the EPL would be Manchester City against Liverpool. Both teams have been up to speed in their performance, they've got all it takes to make the game tough for each other, It'll be only fair that the games should end in draw but we cannot predict, both teams are experienced, both in players and coaching wing, the both teams have the ability to win games and it's very much certain that they will put out their best in the game.
If you look at the 46 Head to Heads in the Premier League between Man City and Liverpool so far the collection is quite positive where Liverpool have won 19 times while Man City have won 11 times and drawn 16 times each. At least in terms of performance this season both Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp troops have the potential to excel.
I hope that although this match is fierce, these two teams are almost all professional players so that no matter how fierce we as spectators will enjoy a very aggressive attack after attack. Especially since this match will be a temporary result of who tops the Premier League standings.
2157  Economy / Gambling / Re: Betnomi | Project status on: November 21, 2023, 02:07:36 PM
For what announcement they made for sure many people are now watching the latest development of  planned refund to their old users since if that would really happen then we can say that there's still a platform came back after they had been compromise and want to clear their brand for any negatives posting against them. Now maybe the next update they made would be more interesting since this might indicate the refund is near to come. Hopefully they are not playing around and troll people by giving false hope since if that happens for sure there's nothing to go back here and betnomi will not get a good trust coming from community so lets hope for the best and hope all parties will be happy if refund process will happen in near future.
I'm sure there's a lot of user data from Betnomi. they have to complete everything gradually. the process will not take a short time. but when they returned to the forum and provided such clarification, it was good news for all users with funds in the casino.
maybe Betnomi can return all their users' balances, but as they said, they will probably come up with another brand to continue the business.
no one wants problems in their business that result in very bad situations. This time it was experienced by Betnomi, maybe in the future we can also see it happen at other casinos. So for every gambler, be wise in managing the finances we leave at the casino.
It would be wrong if they tried to continue their business before the problem was resolved. So in my opinion, whether customers like it or not should come first, if all the problems have been resolved and Betnomi has proven its seriousness, you can continue business with a new name or something like that as long as the main points of problem with users are resolved.

Don't continue the business if the business with the old users has not been completed, because in essence the business they are running will not gain the trust of the full community and will create new negative stigma. Wouldn't it be unethical if they built a new business on the suffering of users waiting for confirmation. What I'm worried about is that the same thing will happen again along the way. You definitely know what I mean
2158  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cash out or keep playing? on: November 21, 2023, 01:12:35 PM
With my experiences in Gambling , then yah I will Cash Out  because I know that
 I can never beat the house and my luck is limited and if time ends? I made sure that I already withdraw
my winnings and wont let the Gambling site take those from me again like what id does in the past gaming
 in which I am always the loser.

Good if that's the case, the mindset that many people should have when they bet is to cash out when they get a win even if it's small, because as you said it won't be easy to beat the house, and it's also impossible to beat the system that has been created. It will be difficult even almost impossible to beat easily. They play like there is no risk that will happen to them so they play confidently to get a big win, even though they have lost a lot of money, but still chase a vague victory. That is greed, and dissatisfaction is also what they feel when they win a small amount, so they feel dissatisfied with the winnings they get and continue the game by increasing the bet amount.
2159  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: November 21, 2023, 12:44:18 PM
Regulating the gambling industry is indeed very difficult its trend for online gambling has spread a lot. Although many organizations conduct monitoring they cannot be easily controlled and information on these is difficult to find online currently it is becoming easier through mobile, if you play gambling, no one will understand if you don't tell anyone. If law enforcement forces control they can take various steps to shut down the outside world which is not the case online. People who are addicted to gambling are usually harmful to their family and society and after selling their wealth they become destitute and do not know of such a big bad crime.
The gambling that is played today is very different from gambling in the past, now everyone can easily gamble without the knowledge of those closest to them because they can play gambling with the cellphone they have so that other people cannot easily see directly.
I agree with you that when someone is addicted to gambling, of course they will be very detrimental to themselves and the environment around them.
Yes, it is true that gambling today is very different from gambling in the past because of the advancement of the times, maybe gambling in the past was often done openly without using cellphones and almost everyone who did not gamble knew and was easily identified by the police, And gambling now most people who gamble use cellphones online so it is more difficult to be known by others, but in gambling now most people experience financial losses because gambling is now played by bookies on gambling sites so the impact is very bad to the point that it can damage the household if the gambler already has a wife. . So for those of us who don't gamble, don't try to do something like that because online gambling is addictive. If we are addicted, we will lose a lot because we are played by the bookie, and for people who are currently gambling or addicted, reduce their gambling so that you do not experience losses because there is no history of getting rich by gambling because gambling is just a trick of the bookie. It is not easy for gambling addicts to stop completely, but if you have the intention, you can definitely reduce or stop completely.
Technology has undoubtedly changed the face of gaming, but remember that control is ultimately what matters. Indeed, internet gambling is a new animal entirely ; more accessible and covert. However, lets not ignore it completely. A major component of the game is entertainment and thrill, and for other people, its just a harmless kick. The secret? Realizing your boundaries. Like candy, should you have one piece or two? All is well. But the entire bag? Problems.
Yes, that's right, whatever gambling is, of course what is important and must be prioritized is self-control, because with that we can gamble by limiting ourselves so as not to go too deep and avoid addiction, but currently it is very popular among the public because of the existence of online gambling which makes it easier for everyone to access, this means that more and more people know about gambling, especially with gambling advertisements on the internet, everyone tends to gamble online regardless of gender, caste and age. Everyone can do it easily, and everyone nowadays who often hangs out probably knows about online gambling which is currently popular. Everyone must realize that gambling is only for fun, not to be used as the main income in life. If they want to be rich, they should work hard, not gamble without knowing the winnings they will get.

Here, addiction poses a greater threat than the actual game. Those that gamble recreationally are aware that its a hobby rather than a source of income. And those sportsbooks? Of course they want to win, but isnt that the case in any business? Heres an idea: What if we approach gambling as more of a pastime than a habit? Stay lighthearted and have fun. And those who are having trouble? Ask for assistance. People, its all about balance. Play deftly, not forcefully.
The dangerous impact of addiction is doing things that are beyond reason or beyond common sense, such as crimes of stealing, robbing, etc. Yes, this has become their hobby that cannot be eliminated easily, and this addiction will also have an impact on others when the addict runs out of capital to gamble, because the gambler may do things that are not wanted by others as I mentioned earlier. They should realize, when they run out of money to gamble, they should stop instead of doing things that are beyond reason to be able to return to gambling.


Yes, it is true that gambling today is very different from gambling in the past because of the advancement of the times, maybe gambling in the past was often done openly without using cellphones and almost everyone who did not gamble knew and was easily identified by the police, And gambling now most people who gamble use cellphones online so it is more difficult to be known by others, but in gambling now most people experience financial losses because gambling is now played by bookies on gambling sites so the impact is very bad to the point that it can damage the household if the gambler already has a wife. . So for those of us who don't gamble, don't try to do something like that because online gambling is addictive. If we are addicted, we will lose a lot because we are played by the bookie, and for people who are currently gambling or addicted, reduce their gambling so that you do not experience losses because there is no history of getting rich by gambling because gambling is just a trick of the bookie. It is not easy for gambling addicts to stop completely, but if you have the intention, you can definitely reduce or stop completely.

It's not a must that everyone that gambles online has the tendency of becoming an addict. There are multiple factors that lead people to gambling addiction, which has nothing to do with the comfort of gambling online in our private rooms. Some were caused by the lost of a loved one like any other addiction or maybe failure, even relationship heartbreak. Your line about those who are already gambling is right, reducing the rate at which they gamble is fine. At least to an extent where they'll be enjoying their habit, without causing harm to their various loved ones. And due to the false believe that gamblers are toxic, married men should respect their homes and try to not go public about their gambling habit. Especially when their wife is against it. Not to break the home. But, when addicted or in trouble, they'll be no benefit not to let the cat out of the box. As they're the direct first aid to any mental disorder that gambling could cause. Hence, the money used to gamble should mainly be spare cash. Therefore maintaining our duty as the head of the family. Instead of letting gambling to remove the trust and respect our loved ones have for us. It also contributes to the addiction; lack of self control. The goal is to be responsible at all cost. That is gambling when we are completely free from any other task; company or business. Many have lost their good paying jobs because of gambling. It's not encouraged at all. That's one the reasons, Dewi Aries may have suggested that those who don't gamble, yet, shouldn't try it in the first place. Additionally, keeping few amount of money aside a week can also be a better method of not hurting the financial economy of our household.

It's not like that, but most of them are like that because they can't control themselves properly, so they gamble continuously because they have become addicted, and basically the human mind is easily tempted by advertisements on the internet, they are already interested, especially when they play, and what I know in my experience, beginners who gamble will be given a small win to attract them deeper, even though they know it's an attractant but it doesn't guarantee them to stop there, surely they will return to gambling and continue like that until they experience gambling addiction. In fact, when they have experienced addiction, it will make them turn into a more sensitive person, and in my opinion, relationships with lovers will also be affected, even with family, even if it will happen if they are severely addicted, I say this because according to the main topic "the madness of addicts", drug addicts or gambling are equally bad, both of these will harm themselves in terms of finance, health, and relationships. More or less, their friends will stay away because they don't want to get carried away with this dangerous addiction. And remember they need to be able to control themselves before gambling.
2160  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: November 21, 2023, 10:21:30 AM
How did this unemployed person got addicted to gambling in the first place?
~snip~

I would think that many unemployed people turn to gambling as a way to make money, as they don't have it.

Not saying it's the best way to do it, but many do.

They will use some or all of their savings and try their luck at the casino, most of the time of course they simply end up losing it all.

That's right, unemployed people want to make money from gambling. Everyone thinks that gambling is the fastest way to make money without affecting any factors. If they commit theft, robbery is also a way to make money quickly, but if they take too much risk, the law will punish them. Making money from gambling will not be monitored by the law.
But they are wrong, and gambling is not a job for them to make money. They will increasingly burn all their savings on gambling, and gambling addiction will make them worse than when they are unemployed. The percentage of winners in gambling is tiny. Only lucky people get rewards in this game.

But that is a wrong thought, if gambling can make you rich quickly, it will definitely be done by everyone without exception, and as far as I know gambling also does not guarantee that it will provide a win that will make you rich, 99% of people who gamble find it difficult to win, and only 1% of people who manage to get a win that makes them rich. They can even do what you said like robbing or theft, to get money and return to gambling and that is also a dangerous impact of gambling addiction even though it is at great risk.
If they make gambling their main income it will only make them suffer more in the future, there will be dangerous problems that will harm themselves. as you said, they can even spend their savings that have been saved for a long time to gamble. and that is a bodh action, with the aim of doubling money by gambling that is not clear that it will give a big win, after all, if it is like that there will be no end until they realize for themselves that what they are doing is wrong.
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