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1441  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts? on: December 21, 2023, 06:22:47 PM

In fact, it all starts with a person's greed and high curiosity so that sometimes people often forget themselves when gambling, usually hoping for a small opportunity to get a big win that they don't necessarily get but they believe that they will get it so that the small win that they should It could be a win and also a profit, on the contrary, it is lost again in order to get a big win but you don't get anything.

The point is that those who play do not limit themselves because they do not control it properly will definitely become addicted in the end because they will gamble following their greedy behavior which will never end so that what they are chasing continues to haunt them even though in the end they never get anything except bankrupt.
The cycle of little wins leads to the pursuit of bigger wins. Money and self-control are often lost in this endeavor. This process repeats: the excitement of prospective gain is eclipsed by the sobering reality of likely loss.

If the winnings at gambling were not money then I think very few people would be addicted to it or even none. Grin
But the fact is that casinos make money as the object of winnings or meaning winnings in the form of money which in fact all humans on earth need money, and when they get money from gambling intentionally or not then obviously they will think that it seems like a good place to earn, so of course as you said that it all starts with a cycle of winnings that are usually not too big for the initial stage which then they want such results to be repeated again with a larger amount of winnings.

The excitement and pleasure reaction resulting from earning almost makes them forget the real facts in gambling about probability that eventually some controls and limits over time are forgotten, but when they try it again it turns out that the results do not match the previous ones which means that in the next session they lose. The question is will they stop? No, curiosity and the inability to accept the harsh reality will play a role because they were able to get a win before. They will think that "the same old win will definitely be repeated", strangely they are so sure about it that they are unconsciously addicted and their money is eroded.
1442  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can Gambling affect your relationship? on: December 21, 2023, 05:44:34 PM
It really depends on how you work out your relationship but major reasons of partner's misunderstanding is when one of their partner is involved in gambling activities, worst is being addicted into it. Disclaimer, there's nothing wrong in doing gambling but it's a different matter if your partner is already addicted to gambling and it affects your relationship especially when it comes to time and money. If a person doesn't want to take the negative effect of gambling, He should be responsible enough to avoid such trouble and disappointments from your partner and family.

We know that gambling doesn't do any good to people especially if it's already affecting their finances. If you are gonna commit to a relationship, you know that some lifestyles won't be the same anymore as you have more responsibility in your life which is your partner or your family. There's nothing wrong with gambling especially if you are just a single person and have enough money to gamble. Just imagine the time you are spending into gambling where you can do many things already with your partner or family like bonding with them. You can actually gamble once if you are financially stable and have spare money to bet. If the case is your partner is already addicted, I think it would be better to seek professional help.

I think gambling will really benefit when people come with the right goals and point of view, so I think it's less likely for them to overdo it which can certainly cause them a lot of problems especially with their finances. Obviously if someone wants to enter a serious phase and commit with their partner to become a family then inevitably I think it's best that they stop, I understand it's difficult but maybe you can do it slowly starting with reducing gambling activities and the amount of budget allocated because of course there will be many needs that must be fulfilled.

Honestly I think that even if they have pretty good control and boundaries and also have fairly stable finances in my opinion there will always be concerns that are likely to occur. The worry is when you unconsciously enter the addiction phase which can eventually affect the finances of your family, so I still think stopping is better and you can do it slowly.
1443  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 21, 2023, 05:12:34 PM
For Bayer Levernkusen, it does not matter whether they are opponents, home or away, they beat the teams one by one. They are so good offensively and defensively that there is nothing missing, such a game is undoubtedly not a coincidence.

Bayern Levernkusen's matches are so enjoyable to watch. Xabi Alanso really makes Bayern Levernkusen play very well. Patrick Sickh scored three goals in a row in the Bochum match, all in the first half. The quality of this player was obvious when he played for Roma.
Xabi Alonso is good at managing strategies on the field which is why Leverkusen always manages to get full points in every match. Bochum is not actually a difficult opponent for Leverkusen but for them winning is the most important thing to get and they don't underestimate any of their opponents, so winning with a landslide score of 4 - 0 was a good victory for Leverkusen to solidify their position at the top of the standings.

Maintaining a wide point difference in Munich is certainly something that must be done for Leverkusen in order to win the title this season as well as break Munich's record of dominating the Bundesliga title in a row. Leverkusen must be consistent until the end of the season and this is Xabi Alonso's challenge to bring Leverkusen to become champions.

As time goes by I think we seem to be able to confirm that the current Leverkusen is not the  Leverkusen of the past, with the impressive performances they always show and also always ending in line with expectations, this can  indirectly convince me more that their performance this season is no joke, we can no longer say that they are a middle-class team like what happened last season, but now Xabi Alonso has changed everything significantly and in a very fast period of time, even a team like Bayern Munich, which has always been the favorite in the last decade, is having trouble overcome it or even to pursue it. On the other hand, it is clear that the difference between the two teams between Leverkusen and Bochum is certainly very large, but however it is true as you say, with Leverkusen's current position, they will certainly not  underestimate any team and will still show significant performance to prevent unexpected things.

None other than because  maintaining the difference in points in order to stay away from the pursuit of Bayern Munich is a top priority for Xabi Alonso. Honestly, personally this season is really very interesting, we will see how  hot the competition is towards the end of the season in these two teams if Leverkusen is able to maintain its consistency. Wink

1444  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Beginner needs your advices in gambling. on: December 21, 2023, 04:49:10 PM
I'm not sure we should have a few experimental gambles, that wouldn't be too good for the feel, personally, I am a gambler as well as an observer of other people's behavior I feel that newcomers may need to know whether their personality tends to be stubborn about winning or losing because for people with this personality trait, an experience with them is also a premise for other experiences hidden deep within their personality. This game is too annoying for the personality, it is difficult to calm down when the mind is constantly being provoked.
Winning and losing are inevitable in gambling, so no need to observe other people's behavior because both of the scenario would happen. If someone can't control themselves during winning or losing, they shouldn't gamble at all.

This is why gambling is a choice and I think not everyone can become a gambler since each person has it's own character.

And all gamblers and especially beginners who are just getting involved should understand the basic concept that gambling is always about winning and losing, however they must be able to accept the risk of losing and not just always look forward to winning. There is a point, there is no point in observing what other people do, because after all in gambling everyone has their own responsibility about whatever they will experience, or the point is that it doesn't matter if they overreact or whatever because they will feel the impact of good or bad as a result of the wrong approach.

That kind of care is good especially if you can give them a little advice that their approach is wrong and dangerous, but maybe it won't always work because everyone has their own belief in their approach, it's quite difficult and one of the reasons why addicted gamblers are difficult to recover if they only rely on some advice. Another thing is of course as you said, if they have a personality that is difficult to control or easily provoked then it is better not to touch gambling, but doesn't that require awareness? Of course, and it is quite rare for them to be able to achieve awareness to just consider and choose the best. What is right is that I think everyone can gamble and get involved but not everyone can control their true character.
1445  Economy / Economics / Re: Setting up financial structures before going into the family way on: December 21, 2023, 04:29:08 PM
People must tend to learn how to save up first for their future, some of them keep doing this but in just a simple way, you don't need to spend a lot of money with your marriage like the others just having a casual is enough and of course once your wife gets pregnant this is additional cost its not free I guess having a 5k$ us a must here as your budget for initial year I don't know the accurate count but I guess its the ideal, but even though we keep saying this all the time the life always give challenges we expect the unexpected so better to save up as early as possible so you can meet your family needs and safety.

True, in general that is what people usually do before entering the family period, none other than because I think everyone has realized that the responsibility of needs when married is intolerable, which means that when they need money it means that at the same time they must already have money or prepare money. Well right, that's what has been going through my mind, honestly I am one of the people who are still single and not married, I often see some of my friends who have been married, when chatting they prioritize wedding parties which of course cost a lot of money, even though the party is only temporary and just to enliven the wedding, and real life will really happen when they have entered a family relationship. Which means that I agree with you that it's better not to overdo it in marriage, don't be too pushy to spend a lot of money, it's simple because after all, real life will really happen when the marriage is over with a myriad of needs that will come your way.

As you said that they will have offspring (children) which of course requires cost allocation, so preparing funds early with an ideal amount according to the needs in your area and using it for needs when the time comes is better than you allocate all your savings only for a wedding party that is only temporary.
1446  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What's your view on this? Is it fun or addiction? on: December 21, 2023, 04:09:44 PM
It starts with a compulsion from circumstances and then becomes something that is forced to do until in the end they get used to it and feel that something is missing if they don't do gambling activities. The environment is really one of the factors that has a big influence on  human change, especially in terms of habits and behavior, maybe you are a little confused about whether you should follow the habits that exist in your environment or avoid it with the consequences of ridicule or ridicule from some of your friends who are also certainly one who also has a role in these activities.

I think as long as you and  some of your friends can maintain the comfort and safety of the gambling activities that you do then I think there is nothing wrong if you continue to engage in these  activities along with some of your friends on weekends, but on the other hand if you feel that slowly your money is getting eroded and experiencing some decline then obviously at least you have to reduce these activities a little, especially in terms of money allocation and also of course by taking a little time to rest because after all the possible risks cannot be completely avoided, especially addiction.
That's what makes this compulsion become a new habit for them. When they miss it even once, they will regret it and make a schedule to follow it the following week. They will make sure to bet together with other friends so that they don't have any regrets even though, in the end, they will lose. This habit must be controlled so that it does not become excessive and becomes deeper into gambling and ultimately becomes a gambling addiction.

That means we have to have good self-control so we can enjoy gambling activities with our friends. We must not lose self-control, which could cause us to gamble excessively, disrupting our financial position. We can feel closer friendship by gathering with these friends, especially since we always attend the event. Only with good self-control can we avoid problems outside of the event and ensure we can do it. But if we feel uncomfortable using our money to bet, we can also reduce joint gambling activities and we can tell the truth to our friends.

Basically, I think that if the involvement is still within reasonable limits, which means that it does not cause too many financial problems for him, then I think there is nothing wrong if the activity has really become a habit in his environment, but the problem may be that this situation is quite worrying because after all, something that is uncontrollable is always unpredictable, or it means that there may be times when one of those who try occasionally acts aggressively and excessively. That's right, this situation does need to be watched and controlled well so that all involved don't end up addicted.

One of the things that can be done is maybe I hope there is one of them who always reminds them about the dangers of addiction or even better to remind each other so that they can keep their awareness so as not to overdo it. On the other hand, the fact that losing control and forgetting some of the boundaries they have made before are still very likely to happen as I said above when they are really tempted by something they see. So in my opinion what is better is if they can better find other activities on weekends such as going to one of the entertainment venues or the gym and get used to it slowly, because after all in my opinion gambling is an activity that inevitably has to use money and the risk of losing is always lurking.

1447  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you regret also for ever knowing about gambling? on: December 21, 2023, 03:50:09 PM
No, I don't think I've ever thought about regretting about it until I've seen this post. Gambling is something that you'll eventually learn about no matter what you do or how ignorant you can be, it's like one of those facts of life that you will inevitably learn along the way. I think that the people that's regretting ever knowing about gambling are those that have their lives devastated by gambling, luckily I'm not one of them so I can happily say that it's a no regrets for me. Also, what would regret ever do anyway, I'm sure that it's nothing so better to move forward and be better than staying here and regretting your actions.
Another thing in my opinion if you feel that you are still fine even though you have been involved in gambling for a long time I think it's okay if you continue because it has been proven that over a long period of time you can manage everything well, especially in terms of your bankroll and self-control, but if it's the opposite then I think you already know what you should do.
Obviously you're going to be okay with gambling when you've been fine with it for a long time how the hell is it a profound or useful thing to know when you're obviously stating a fact and no, people that have been the opposite don't know what to do, I assume that it's to stop but they're doing or thinking that already so I don't think that it's the thing that they should do.

But unfortunately sometimes those who already have good self-control and boundaries that can always keep them safe during that time do not always rule out the possibility that a change can still occur later, meaning a change in mindset and perspective which of course can still change when in a session they are careless and almost forget some controls and boundaries that have proven to keep them safe during their involvement in the past.

So of course there are still several potential possibilities that can occur, and that is the importance of always putting full firmness on the limits and controls that you have designed from the beginning, not least because gambling will always give you something that looks like a tempting when in reality it is nothing more than a trap to keep you involved with the wrong mindset and perspective. Of course, for people who feel that gambling has caused many problems in their lives such as losing balance in finances, they should be able to do something like some precautions, but reaching such a realization is not easy, and maybe only a trauma can make them reach their consciousness for a change.
1448  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamblers trickily claims they wins the bet while they never did. on: December 21, 2023, 03:21:08 PM
Honestly, I remember one thing, where I have a friend who is also the same gambler who I don't really like because his words usually always don't match reality, not only in the world of gambling but in any case in real life he always says something without proof. At that time he came to me and talked that last night he managed to get a big win in a slot game which if simplified more or less the amount could buy a new motorcycle by only using a very small capital, like using 1% capital but managed to get 1000x the amount of victory.

But on the other hand at the same time he borrowed my gadget to open one of the social media to give news to his girlfriend, he often did that or borrowed my gadget just to give news to his partner or some other friends because he didn't have a gadget even though on the other hand it was clear that he needed the tool. The question is do you believe that he really managed to get a large amount of winnings? The logic is that I think if he is really telling the truth about his winnings then why doesn't he buy a new gadget, when he needs it.

What do you think buddy? Cheesy
1449  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Which type of gambling have more gambling addicts ? on: December 21, 2023, 02:20:04 PM
In these days where online gambling is available and keeps growing, more people get addicted to it rather than the usual casino. Indeed, the new generations have been comfortable playing at home, and aside from that, the easy accessibility which you don't need to travel anymore. But I see the consequences are huge knowing that even young age are already gambling. More and more gamblers become addicted as they continue knowing that they can play anytime and anywhere as long as they internet. Until this was not regulated by the government, many people couldn't control its temptation because some influencers were also advertising them.

Well I also see the same part here, now the times are very developed and everything is sophisticated, and of course for problems in the world of gambling as you say that people no longer need to go to a physical casino which of course requires the intention to go and also requires travel costs such as fuel and take the right time in the midst of their busy activities, with the development of increasingly modern times it is clear that everything is easier to do, not only online-based casinos but also several other things such as platforms that make it easier for people to shop easily and quickly have sprung up and we are familiar with it.

Of course this situation is the cause of more gamblers entering and being trapped in the addiction zone because they can come whenever they want by just using the gadget they have which is of course connected to the internet network, running out of budget is not a problem because they have plenty of time to go to the ATM machine to deposit the fiat money they have, of course this freedom and convenience is what I think is the main cause of their addiction, but on the other hand not entirely too, because obviously for some people who still have the right point of view about gambling then I think they will not be that easy to get stuck in the addiction cycle, so maybe with all the conveniences that exist in online casinos it is only an indication and possibility for some people to enter the addiction zone.

Online casinos produce a high number of addicted players compared to physical casino, yes. Because of the restrictive measures put aside for the gambling age and who should gamble or not, then the time frame also helps players to moderate how they gamble. Moving from one location to gamble, helps the brain to remember when the time is late for the gambler to go home and sleep. The online setting doesn't have some of these restrictions available, anybody can gamble whenever they want and wouldn't bother about time. Even the younger players who are below eighteen sometimes boycott the rule by using their elder sibling's document as KYC. The naive nature of younger gamblers to make quick money wouldn't allow them the privilege to control themselves, as they'll be chasing big wins. Some of them go for loans, and don't know how they do it, but most news channels in Australia prove it right about young teenagers gambling with loans and putting themselves into big trouble that could be risking their physical or mental health.

It seems like this has become a real fact that it is true that since the emergence of online-based casinos now people who are involved and who are addicted are increasing, as I said earlier that ease of access is one of the advantages that of course will be chosen by most people rather than having to go to a physical casino which is certainly quite complicated. You are right, there is a significant difference in terms of time between these two casinos, if you are involved in online casinos then obviously you can gamble whenever you want until your money runs out maybe, while in physical casinos you cannot fully gamble because they have opening hours and closing hours so when the time is too late most likely they will close all access in the casino which means it shows the completion of the gambling session that day and continue tomorrow.

Another thing is that it is clear that online casinos have real freedom which does not recognize age, as you said minors can also get involved by submitting  their brother's or sister's personal data as a KYC requirement to get involved in gambling. On the other hand, this is what is worried about and what should be of full attention to all parents, because the name of minors they absolutely do not think about any risks, they  will only continue to play to make money quickly by aggressive means. If they run out of money then it is very likely that they will look for any means as an alternative such as borrowing from some services, so online casinos certainly have many worse impacts.

1450  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Reckless gambling starts after a win round. on: December 21, 2023, 01:51:52 PM
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That's why we often say that you will be able to get better when you already have previous experience, but however we still can't be sure whether with that bad experience they will be able to really regret and then fix everything or instead they act even more aggressively, I think it comes back to themselves about what they will choose. As I said above, they will realize and not apply their greed in the next session when they already regret it because in the previous session when they applied greed the situation was even worse, so with that then I think they will no longer prioritize satisfaction.
someone can be said to be experienced because he has gone through several bad events and learned from these bad things to become an experienced gambler and if someone experiences many bad things from the past but still does the same thing that is not an experience but he is starting a bad event to be repeated again, like when for example you win and at that time you bet a large amount because you feel like you are lucky even though luck only comes once and after that you lose it all.
and if things like that are repeated continuously it is definitely not an experience but they should learn from these mistakes so as not to make them in the future and become better gamblers.

but it all comes back to each person's mindset as you said because everyone has a different mindset and mental strength to face all these temptations.

Perhaps more precisely, he is one of the many people who cannot learn from an experience to be better in the future so of course they will only spin in the same cycle by falling back into the same hole. It is clear that experience can usually always be the best teacher for ourselves and be used as a lesson to be better, but the fact is that there are still people like that who do not take advantage of experience at all to be a valuable lesson. one of the causes of the scenario you mentioned above seems to be that the main problem is the wrong understanding that the gambler has so that he applies greed to his involvement by increasing the amount of budget in order to get a bigger number of wins.

The lack of understanding about gambling and also by not really understanding what is meant by luck and also how luck works will clearly make them misguided and act without consideration, even though on the other hand anyone will never know whether luck is still there or has disappeared, but strangely they do not hesitate to act greedy which ultimately clearly ends in regret because luck has disappeared when they put greed. Yes of course, it all comes back to their own choices, the problem is that what they think is good and nice doesn't always mean good for others.
1451  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Which one is fun, watching with bet or without a bet? on: December 21, 2023, 01:31:43 PM

Personally, a a bettor, I find it very stressful when watching the game you are betting especially if it will end up a losing bet.

I can understand what you mean here. It can be stressful watching a game that you’ve placed some good money on a bet and the side you bet on doesn’t seem to want the win that badly and are playing poorly.
I sometimes, think it’s not necessary to get worked up over matches that I’ve placed bets on and skip watching such games. It’s better not to watch such games and just check the outcome later on.
Matches that I placed bets using a considerable amount of money, it’s sometimes much easier for me and my heart not to watch it. It’s not really fun watching the side you bet heavily on play and go on to lose.

In the sense that the tension increases when you watch your favorite team play along with putting the amount of budget to bet, there are two disappointments that you or they will feel when the final result really loses, and vice versa there will also be two feelings of joy when your favorite team can really win by any means. I think it comes back to the choice of each individual about whether they want to watch while betting or just watch or bet without watching the match.

Another thing is that I think if you really want to take both, meaning watching while betting then I think there is one thing you should pay attention to if you really don't want to feel significant disappointment if you end up losing, namely putting the smallest amount of budget whether it's 1% or whatever the point is not to upset you and not disturb your financial balance if your favorite team loses. By summarizing what you said about your habits, it seems that you are one of those people who prefer to focus on the final result of your bet rather than looking for fun by watching the game, and you only check or look for the final answer when the match is over, of course, as I said above that everyone has their own choices.
1452  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamblers should not believe in first game win trap on: December 21, 2023, 01:09:12 PM

Gamble with the money you can lose.


  If this is what a gambler will always do, he will definitely not become addicted in the end because, from the beginning, you know how much money you will lose when you play gambling. This is what is called you; the amount you will play in gambling is limited.

  Because usually your only intention is to have fun, to have fun, to pass the time, you only do it because you have problems that you are going through, so you think that playing gambling will help you to think properly because you will temporarily forget the problems that you are facing.


Sounds easy but it would really be that hard for you to maintain it out as you do go further ahead with your gambling activity on which those initial thoughts and plans that you do have will
really be gradually changing up as you do go ahead and this is something not new and something typical if we do speak about gambling. Its true that when it comes to gambling then tons of people would really be that having those impressions that easy win would really be just that too rampant specially if you have experience those beginners luck kind of thing then you would be molding
up that kind of mindset that it was just that easy and its just right that you should be continuing on what you are doing until reality would slap into your face.  Cheesy

Maybe more precisely is easy to say but difficult to do Grin  I think this problem is no longer strange, some gamblers try to build a plan at the beginning along with applying some limits for precautions to minimize the number of losses is not too significant, on the other hand I think it's a pretty good plan for an approach, but unfortunately it is not uncommon or even very many of them who in the end when facing real situations they break all the promises they have built at the beginning. That is the reason why many end up with addiction, sometimes people who already have a good plan can end up with addiction because they cannot resist all the temptations that exist in every situation, well let alone those who do not prepare any precautions at all and instead act aggressively because they are too focused on winning.

Usually beginners who experience more things like that in my opinion, it is none other than because they do not have full firmness in their planning so it is easy to be shaken just because they see one or two temptations that look like tempting, on the other hand the first win can really change the mindset and point of view of gamblers, thinking that winning is quite easy to get so it is true what the OP said that the first win is very likely to be a trap for them to end up in addiction.
1453  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Beginner needs your advices in gambling. on: December 21, 2023, 12:12:35 AM
The future of OP in gambling depends on how it will be managed along the way. It can't be answered by anyone as we do have our way how to become responsible in gambling. We are also the ones to blame in case we turned a shitty gambler in the process and not anyone else.

Newbies will only understand everything about gambling, whether it's funny or not, if it's good or bad, if it's something they need to push on, etc. once they involve themselves in gambling for real, staking and risking money and feeling the pressure being under gambling. I hope OP will be responsible along the way and by now, should know already the do's and don't when doing gambling.

I hope that beginners can enter this part of the discussion and pay attention to several important points that they need to correct the bad situations and circumstances resulting from the wrong approach to gambling that they take. Some suggestions might be able to help them but however and basically it is true as you said that it all depends on how they manage their gambling activities, and maybe even though there has been quite a lot of advice given by other people but I don't think it will be completely helpful because It's very possible that the suggestions that other people give don't make sense in their eyes.

Experience is something that can be used as a valuable lesson not to do the same bad things or, meaning, not to fall into the same hole, I think with the right understanding which is driven by a good level of awareness, I think it is not too difficult for some gamblers, especially beginners to consider realistically about which one is better to choose and do.
1454  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 20, 2023, 10:43:06 PM
Bayern Leverkusen will currently be four points ahead of Bayern Munich and it's definitely looki like Leverkusen has realized they are not far away from the the team that's directly behind them so definitely they will want to get some more points to broaden the gap between the two teams, Stuttgart is still trying to regain their spot on the table but I doubt if they will be able to make back to the top again like they did earlier at the beginning of the season. So far Leverkusen's dominance in their match is such that I don't see any chance of their opponent bochum getting a goal by the end of the game.

Of course, Xabi Alonso can always realize some indications of the pursuit made by Bayern Munich so that however they absolutely cannot waste any opportunity that comes, of course Bayern Munich will not easily give up the title they have long defended and with that, the top of the standings will be more interesting with the appearance of the two significant teams which of course always try to stay ahead, especially for Leverkusen themselves.

I think Bochum is not too difficult an opponent for Leverkusen because obviously from the depth of the two teams have a significant difference and from the beginning I was quite optimistic that they could secure the full three points in this match which finally the prediction really came true with a final score of 4 - 0 victory over Leverkusen, with this result it is clear that Leverkusen can be further away from the pursuit of Bayern Munich even though they only have a difference of 4 points. What I hope is that Leverkusen can continue to maintain its consistency until the end of the season, and I am also quite optimistic about Leverkusen in the next match against Augsburg.
1455  Economy / Economics / Re: Setting up financial structures before going into the family way on: December 20, 2023, 10:00:59 PM
Sometimes, having a stable financial set up will tend to make a married couple bond firm and stronger. They will never see problems as burdens because they are willing enough to help each other most especially when it comes to their financial concerns. And even if they have quite number of children, raising them and giving all their basic needs will never be too hard to provide because their finances are not struggling since they make sure to build a stable financial structure before settling down.

Those are the advantages of having a good financial management. They won't face money issues most especially if both the couple have their own stable source of income that tightens more their bond together.

Sometimes many couples say that true love will always be able to survive in any situation, they say that when they have not entered into marriage or have not become a legal husband and wife, because maybe their mindset is still not open to something broader, they have not felt that weak financial strength when married is one of the factors that is big enough for separation, I think it is not uncommon for some marital relationships to end tragically with separation just because of unstable financial factors or even far from enough.

Not only having a good relationship with each other but I think in a marriage it is a fact that money has a very important role because after all that is what keeps us alive or what can fulfill our daily needs to stay alive. Basically, in any case, management is one of the most important factors in people's lives, especially in terms of finances, if they absolutely cannot change their excessive behavior towards money allocation then obviously some undesirable possibilities will always be possible. Having a good enough income that is also driven by proper management is clear as you say that it is able to further strengthen the bond between husband and wife.
1456  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What's your view on this? Is it fun or addiction? on: December 20, 2023, 09:34:40 PM
People have become addicted because gambling on weekends has become something they have to do. And if they don't follow it, there will be a sense of loss and they will want to follow it the following week. Maybe they find pleasure in betting on those weekends with their friends but if they don't have breaks to gamble each week, it will become an addiction.

It starts with a compulsion from circumstances and then becomes something that is forced to do until in the end they get used to it and feel that something is missing if they don't do gambling activities. The environment is really one of the factors that has a big influence on  human change, especially in terms of habits and behavior, maybe you are a little confused about whether you should follow the habits that exist in your environment or avoid it with the consequences of ridicule or ridicule from some of your friends who are also certainly one who also has a role in these activities.

I think as long as you and  some of your friends can maintain the comfort and safety of the gambling activities that you do then I think there is nothing wrong if you continue to engage in these  activities along with some of your friends on weekends, but on the other hand if you feel that slowly your money is getting eroded and experiencing some decline then obviously at least you have to reduce these activities a little, especially in terms of money allocation and also of course by taking a little time to rest because after all the possible risks cannot be completely avoided, especially addiction.
1457  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you regret also for ever knowing about gambling? on: December 20, 2023, 08:42:08 PM
No, I don't think I've ever thought about regretting about it until I've seen this post. Gambling is something that you'll eventually learn about no matter what you do or how ignorant you can be, it's like one of those facts of life that you will inevitably learn along the way. I think that the people that's regretting ever knowing about gambling are those that have their lives devastated by gambling, luckily I'm not one of them so I can happily say that it's a no regrets for me. Also, what would regret ever do anyway, I'm sure that it's nothing so better to move forward and be better than staying here and regretting your actions.

Maybe what you mean is learn from the mistakes that have made some people regret their gambling involvement especially those who always overdo their approach, I think it's quite natural and reasonable if you don't feel regret and here I can conclude that it seems like you have a pretty good approach to gambling so you don't regret being involved in this activity. That means regret is only for some people and it also depends on how the person responds to gambling itself, if indeed they come with the wrong way or approach then obviously over time the bad effects will definitely occur and of course regret will always come at the end.

Another thing in my opinion if you feel that you are still fine even though you have been involved in gambling for a long time I think it's okay if you continue because it has been proven that over a long period of time you can manage everything well, especially in terms of your bankroll and self-control, but if it's the opposite then I think you already know what you should do.
1458  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamblers trickily claims they wins the bet while they never did. on: December 20, 2023, 07:59:39 PM
Don't be deceived, not every gamblers who actually claims that they won really won.
Pure facts. I know that most gamblers fake their wins. And most time it is because they have had a big win in the past on one or more gambling occasions so there is this pride or should i say hierarchy they would want to maintain. In a situation where they have been receiving praises from other gamblers based on how good they are in gambling. They would love to maintain that reputation this is why most of them lie about wining when they did not.


Also on another way they can pretend to have won if they have not been winning at all or for a longtime so that people would not think they are total losers in gambling. This is particular of newbies, they may feel ashamed of playing for a longtime without recording any winning and when friends insult them alot they plan to show winning tickets of other people and what is even funny is they can search online for big wins and showcase on their social media handles as their own wins. That is deceipt they keep doing until they win theirs.

I think things like this are not uncommon and I often find several people like that, including one of my friends who is also very far from lucky in the sense of not never getting a win but the amount of time it takes just to get that one win. very long and very difficult even though he was quite often involved in gambling, especially slot machines or occasionally sports betting.

I don't know what things influence or are the main cause. If we look at it in terms of method, I don't think there is any method that can be done or what it means that can increase the chances of luck more closely, especially for types of gambling that purely depend on luck alone. and perhaps it is true that the more appropriate reason is that they are really far from lucky so it is difficult to record a win, and also of course with a situation like that then I think it is natural that there are some, including their friends, who like to tease them with some scorn or insults. not too significant but it cuts to the heart haha, so it's not strange I think if some gamblers like that make claims that they have won in various ways and one of them you have mentioned is showing off other people's winnings which they took from social media, even though in reality lie.
1459  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: December 20, 2023, 07:24:00 PM
I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe  for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount  of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful  gambler must have invested  both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable  winning  and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?
In today's society, people who are addicted to gambling are very little trusted and liked by people. And when people see a successful gambler, society thinks that he is addicted to winning and has lost his physical and mental balance inside. But actually this is not the right thinking at all because a successful gambler is never an addict because he spends both money and time to win and also puts in a lot of effort. Both gamblers only try hard to succeed and invest their money for that purpose, but here they are not so much addicts. If they had become so addicted, they would never have gone ahead and invested such money and efforts, and I think a gambler always aims to succeed by putting his own efforts into action.

Even I think that those who are successful gamblers cannot be seen as addicts. In fact they are the survivors.
If they were addicts then they would be keeping on playing and losing money.
Since they have become successful, they would have found way to control their emotions and manage the risks in gambling.
Such people cannot be called as addicts from my perspective.

Perhaps the word success is meant in this context and more precisely is success or success in managing the gambler's own finances and self-control which means that they know what to do and what not to do when in certain situations, the success referred to is not success in general which is like people achieving success in the business world which means that there is a high point that has been reached, because of course in gambling there are no stages other than coming with money as capital and going home with an answer between winning or losing.

Another thing is that of course I quite agree with your idea that successful gamblers cannot be called addicts, which actually there is a significant difference if we dig deeper, successful gamblers are as I and you have mentioned that they manage their gambling activities well so that they do not cause many problems in their lives, especially in their finances, while addicted gamblers they simply cannot miss a single time not to gamble, which means they are excessive and have an approach that can be said to be aggressive, so maybe I think another word for successful gamblers is those who are smart.
1460  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Which type of gambling have more gambling addicts ? on: December 20, 2023, 05:58:44 PM
In these days where online gambling is available and keeps growing, more people get addicted to it rather than the usual casino. Indeed, the new generations have been comfortable playing at home, and aside from that, the easy accessibility which you don't need to travel anymore. But I see the consequences are huge knowing that even young age are already gambling. More and more gamblers become addicted as they continue knowing that they can play anytime and anywhere as long as they internet. Until this was not regulated by the government, many people couldn't control its temptation because some influencers were also advertising them.

Well I also see the same part here, now the times are very developed and everything is sophisticated, and of course for problems in the world of gambling as you say that people no longer need to go to a physical casino which of course requires the intention to go and also requires travel costs such as fuel and take the right time in the midst of their busy activities, with the development of increasingly modern times it is clear that everything is easier to do, not only online-based casinos but also several other things such as platforms that make it easier for people to shop easily and quickly have sprung up and we are familiar with it.

Of course this situation is the cause of more gamblers entering and being trapped in the addiction zone because they can come whenever they want by just using the gadget they have which is of course connected to the internet network, running out of budget is not a problem because they have plenty of time to go to the ATM machine to deposit the fiat money they have, of course this freedom and convenience is what I think is the main cause of their addiction, but on the other hand not entirely too, because obviously for some people who still have the right point of view about gambling then I think they will not be that easy to get stuck in the addiction cycle, so maybe with all the conveniences that exist in online casinos it is only an indication and possibility for some people to enter the addiction zone.
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