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1681  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: December 02, 2023, 08:22:16 AM
At least you admit it that you've got the wrong action and I think that's more than enough to learn your lesson. Hope this is an eye opener to everyone out there that has a likelihood to be in the same situation as the OP. The only winner here was the casino and the bank but that's the risk of taking risks, you'll end up either to retire early or worst pays the price of losing.
If he was able to beat the casino using loan, we will see a completely opposite thread than this one because he's successful and he think taking a loan to gamble works. Cheesy

I wonder if $2K is a big money for the @OP, but of course this will be a good lesson for him to learn never gamble using loan money. If investing using loan is already a bad decision, gambling using loan is actually a worst decision.

In my opinion, what he did was wrong, especially if by borrowing money to gamble it was not wrong anymore but stupid, if they still hope in gambling it doesn't matter, but if they take the action of borrowing money to do gambling, in my opinion they don't have a brain, maybe they still have a brain but it's not working properly hahaha.

After all, the personal money that has clearly been used up for gambling in my opinion is enough to realize that gambling is not a place to make money, but their brains that are not working properly will not think about that, they will continue to do everything possible to be able to gamble, even if it is borrowing from other people or banks.
1682  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 02, 2023, 08:00:50 AM
I have observed that the rich, I mean those who are financially comfortable, win more in gambling than the poor. By poor, I mean those who do not have enough to meet all their needs. I don't know the reason for this. Could it be that the rich understand financial management more? Or could it be that the rich are less desperate to win which make them make better gambling decision? I really want to know the reason for this pattern I have observed.
Simply put, wealthy individuals have strong and stable financial resources, leading to a much more comfortable mindset. With the same amount of gambling, if the wealthy lose, it doesn't significantly impact their lives.

However, for the poor, it could become a burden for them and their families in the future. Gambling is a game of psychology, and if your mindset is not solid, the chances of winning are quite low. How can we make rational decisions when, if we lose, our families might go hungry or incur debt the next day? I experienced this when I invested in crypto with borrowed money.

My mind was always anxious about potentially losing that money. So, when I faced about a 20% loss, I hastily cut my losses, thinking it would continue to decline the next day. A few days later, that amount would have doubled if I hadn't sold early. I truly regretted it, and it became clear to me how much my mindset influenced my decisions at that time.

There is also a point, rich people tend to have more capital to gamble so they don't hesitate to bet without thinking about the defeat that will be obtained, because they have a lot of capital so they are more free to bet on gambling, the defeat they get may not be a big problem for them because they are confident in the capital they have that much.
And for the poor they tend to gamble to multiply money hoping to get a win in order to help their daily basic needs, but they tend to be more careful, do not want to lose the money they bet on gambling because the anxiety with the money allows them to borrow money to gamble again because they are still "curious". and this is his fault, they can make their own lives because of their stupid actions.
1683  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tips on staying responsible. on: December 02, 2023, 07:36:14 AM
By making it a habit, they can definitely turn it into something good, and perhaps they only need a short time to become even better. The results that each person will get will vary depending on their efforts, but what is clear is that if someone is willing to try slowly, no matter how long it takes, he can definitely change his habits. By doing it continuously, we program our body and mind to do something different from what we usually do so that we will divert our attention to that new thing. What we want from gambling is pleasure and entertainment, so if we stick to our goal, we will not deviate from that goal and will still be able to enjoy gambling as it should.

If they are confident maybe it won't take long, with the confidence they have I think they can establish it quickly, because as the saying goes "the sooner the better", but it also depends on what is being done. Also, they will be able to do it if they get used to it because like another saying "It's possible because it's common", something that is difficult to do at first if done regularly will become easy. Gambling should only be for fun not for profit, because after all the big profits will only be felt by the casino itself which has all the gambling rules. They just have to play responsibly by having everything they can do to avoid the losses that will come. Also do not forget many things just because of gambling alone. So I think they win if they can gamble responsibly well.
The house always wins. That's statistically true. Every casino game favors them. So, we must be careful when discussing pleasure gambling. How frequently does simply for pleasure become trying to win back what was lost? Entertainment can lead to obsession. Is the momentary thrill worth the long-term mental and financial risks?

In many situations, repeated practice makes tough activities easier, but does it apply to gambling? One may become more familiar with the games, but does it mean victory versus a player-loss system? Responsible gambling is more about self-control than skill. Limits, stopping, and addiction signals are key. Gambling is entertainment, not a source of income. Health is more than avoiding financial ruin. Gambling tension and anxiety can hurt mental health. We support safe gambling, but it's a hobby, not a talent to be mastered.

Does everyone who experiences entertainment become obsessed? Does everyone who seeks entertainment become obsessed?
Whether it's frequent or not depends on the person, bro, can you guess how often someone does things that are invisible?
The sensation felt by gamblers who consider it just for entertainment does not last long, also the mentality that exists depends on the person, do they consider gambling as entertainment where they don't care about losing because they consider it as entertainment, what are they looking for? fun and sensation in the game not winning, although they also want victory but that is not the goal of those who play just for entertainment.
Will they continue to gamble forever? Will they never realize the gambling that makes them lose a lot?. Gambling is about winning and losing isn't it? Is there anything else like draw? Gambling generally prioritizes self-control, especially with slot gambling where skills do not apply to this gambling, skills can apply to poker gambling because poker is a math game at its core.

I think their health will not be disturbed if they can gamble responsibly and have good self-control, including their mentality will also be safe if they gamble by not following their greed and ego which can plunge them into addiction. They destroy their mentality also because of their own actions that cannot control themselves when gambling so that they gamble with frustration and lust which obviously will make them experience losses. If they make gambling a hobby, it means that it is something they have to do often, right? because a hobby as far as I know is an activity that someone can do when free time or leisure arrives and tends to be something that he does that makes him happy and also makes it a habit, if their hobby is gambling, is this a good thing? in my opinion gambling is also about entertainment, not a source of income, because the city that organizes gambling is also intended to generate income, not provide income.

~snip~
If they are confident maybe it won't take long, with the confidence they have I think they can establish it quickly, because as the saying goes "the sooner the better", but it also depends on what is being done. Also, they will be able to do it if they get used to it because like another saying "It's possible because it's common", something that is difficult to do at first if done regularly will become easy. Gambling should only be for fun not for profit, because after all the big profits will only be felt by the casino itself which has all the gambling rules. They just have to play responsibly by having everything they can do to avoid the losses that will come. Also do not forget many things just because of gambling alone. So I think they win if they can gamble responsibly well.
If they are confident that they can do it, everything will feel easy because there is a desire within them to do what they should do. Something is difficult, but there is a desire to continue to persevere while looking for ways to calm himself down, which will give him greater enthusiasm so he can go through each session. And before that happens, gamblers who frequently gamble must be careful and always try to be responsible with themselves while gambling and not exceed their limits. Becoming a responsible gambler is difficult, but if we don't try, we will never know how to become a responsible gambler. Only with a strong desire to always limit our gambling can we become responsible gamblers.

You are right, gambling responsibly will also benefit themselves, even if they don't get a win at least they can reffrain from continuing to gamble and that in my opinion is also an advantage for them.  Because then they will not lose more money and also minimize the losses that will occur to them. As much as possible they should gamble responsibly because that's what they have to do, not like what has happened out there a lot of people who gamble irresponsibly with a lot of other responsibilities that are more important and obviously it harms them themselves such as time and especially money because if they gamble with lust they probably won't think about the money used for gambling and ignore the defeat that makes them miserable because a lot of money has been downstream of gambling.  With the confidence that is in them maybe they will do it happily even though it is difficult for them I dont think it will be a problem for them, So I hope they can do well because this is all for themselves not for others Even if they win it is only the beginning of poverty not the beginning of wealth.
1684  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling are mainly for rich and lucky mind. on: December 02, 2023, 05:00:47 AM
There is no such luck that one person has over another it's mere coincidence on random based games.  Some people win more than other people but that is just the way it goes, it's not all the time.  Gambling isn't just for the lucky and rich its for anyone who uses it as a form of entertainment which I do.

Yes that's right, because people's luck is different, someone who is lucky in gambling may get a big win that he can have and enjoy but he is not necessarily lucky in other things such as work, and vice versa someone who is unlucky in gambling may be lucky in work. Therefore, the portion of people's luck is different and it is impossible for all of them to have the same luck.  All people can and may do gambling but they must be prepared for the risks that you are so therefore they must address gambling only for entertainment not for making money, because gambling is entertainment in the form of games, not games to make money. Although there are those who make money by gambling, I don't think it is to be imitated but only to see if he is lucky in gambling.
1685  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: December 02, 2023, 04:22:56 AM
But most people today gamble irresponsibly by forgetting a lot of things even their own health they can forget, really not playing the side effects of gambling that can make someone forget themselves. I always anticipate this, I gamble but not by forgetting things, especially with health because I think everyone knows health is expensive. They should also realize that they won't be able to succeed if they only gamble, there is very little chance of winning let alone being successful. But it cannot be hidden that people who are addicted to gambling are not few, many of them still want a big win to become successful with gambling or in other words rich with gambling, this kind of mindset must be changed but it is also difficult to change or realize those who are already addicted to gambling.
It would be a shame if they forget many things, including their health, just because they want to gamble, which they can even do on the sidelines of their routine activities. They don't care about their health even though their health is the most valuable thing for them. If they are healthy, they can do whatever they want and can also gamble. But if they still want to make a career out of gambling, that's up to them and it's best if they already know what the consequences will be for them. Yes, many people are already addicted to gambling and this number will probably increase in the future, especially if people cannot take good care of themselves. Indeed, this mindset influences them to continue gambling, so they have to improve their mindset first if they want to change their habits.

yes that's right, they are not aware of other more important things. like you said they can do it in between times if they are healthy, but if they get sick because of gambling it is very unfortunate to prioritize things that are not clear with a positive end. They should be prepared with all the risks if they always prioritize gambling in their days. Yes gambling easily attracts the people around it to become addicted too at this time people do a lot of gambling and some are even willing to leave their regular jobs to gamble, they hope to be successful with gambling even though it is very unlikely to happen, with gambling of course this is to make money not to give money, maybe there are some people who are successful with gambling, but that doesn't happen with everyone because only people who have strong luck to succeed, if they are not too addicted they must know about this so that nothing happens that is not wanted and also will not harm themselves in the future.
1686  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you make gambling a profession - a full time job on: December 01, 2023, 10:00:49 PM
I mean technically you can make anything a "full time profession".  If you are single it's less risky but if you have a family, I would ride or die on gambling to support your family.  What happens if ypu go bust?  Now other people have to suffer from you choice of not getting a continual paying job.  Leave gambling for fun.  If you make a ton of money doing it, count it as a bonus.

Yes anything can be made into a profession but if we make gambling an object of profession I think this idea is too dangerous and even if you can I'm sure it's very difficult, I mean I'm not sure you will be able to get through all the pressure that is in gambling as a result. Although you have the freedom of choice but try to choose something more reasonable and use your common sense in thinking to consider whatever place is suitable or not to make a profession.

Especially if you have a family which of course your responsibilities are quite large in the real world, you need money for sure and must always be there when the need calls you, while the results of gambling are always unpredictable, what if you are always difficult to get lucky? I can't imagine what your condition will be full of various pressures whether it's from the pressure of need or pressure from the impact of gambling which will greatly interfere with your mental and psychological. So the point is that this profession is really not recommended, it's better to find a sure thing that can give you a fixed salary without the risk of gambling for your safety as well.
1687  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 01, 2023, 07:47:50 PM

Leverkusen is playing amazing football and there is a possibility that they could win it this year. I am not saying they will, I am just saying the possibility is there and not like there has been just a few games, it's been plenty of games and they are still ahead, so it's quite possible. Bayern of course is following them in a Bayern fashion, they are not too far away, just 2 points if I remember correctly, so one game difference and Leverkusen could lose the top spot in a single week. However, they could also get it back too, and that's why I believe that it is going to be quite strong period.

It's natural for you to say that, because it's clear that Leverkusen have proven that they are able to survive so far with a very tight level of competition, I think this is a strong indication that will make us a little hopeful and quite sure that this season the possibility of the title will not always be stagnant for Bayern Munich alone, but it is possible to change if we see and conclude from the current situation.

Basically all possibilities are still very possible because the season will still run and everything is still uncertain even though Leverkusen now looks very strong at the top of the table. Yes you are not wrong, it is true that the difference  between Bayern Munich and Leverkusen is now only 2 points, although they have been at the top for several weeks but on the other hand suddenly doubts arise in me because next Leverkusen will face Dortmund, I think some people also think about this, but  yes their struggle is far enough in terms of maintaining consistency at the top, and that means it is very possible for Xabi Alonso to really maximize the match against Dortmund later in order to get full points and a little further away from Bayern Munich's pursuit.
1688  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Most gamblers do not believe they can consistently make money, that's why... on: December 01, 2023, 07:29:29 PM
some people may be able to get consistent profits from their gambling, maybe they have above average analysis and skills, but that is only limited to board games or sports, they will not be able to make money consistently on slot games which are completely based on luck.

and it also only happens to a few people, we cannot generalize that everyone can make money consistently from gambling because it is related to skill, analysis, type of game, etc., that's why consistently making money from gambling is difficult to achieve (not impossible, just hard to achieve).

If the gambling they do is based on skill and analysis like sports then perhaps your assumption could be correct, but on the other hand I would not say that they will be able to win consistently because basically whatever type of gambling you do it will always depend on your luck at that time, so maybe I will just say that if you are skilled enough in terms of analysis and have broad enough insight in the field of sports then maybe you won't experience too many losses, it could be that your winnings happen more often than defeat with the condition that you have to have very good skills and analysis, from 100% you can have a 70% chance maybe and the rest refers to your luck.

Obviously, the slot algorithm is very difficult to crack and this game is 100% pure luck, to confirm this I have proven that whatever method or strategy you use will really not be useful for winning, therefore you have to be careful In slot games, it's like you are betting on your own luck. One of the reasons why it is difficult to achieve consistent results is because there is absolutely no certainty of achieving victory or being slightly better and even just an indication is difficult to find. So it's better to just look for another alternative.
1689  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is gambling all about luck? on: December 01, 2023, 07:00:14 PM
What is worrying is if a gambler experiences a losing streak without being able to win a single round. But this is often experienced by gamblers who are chasing victory or those who play gambling. It would be best for gamblers to realize that no matter what, it is the casino that will excel in its place and the casino that will make more money from the gamblers and even the gamblers who manage to win a lot of money. The casino will get its luck by making more money, so the casino owner will be very happy to see his income increase over time.
Those who continue to chase victory after losing in the game they play will be very unlikely to be able to win and they will also run out of the money they brought and not have any left, if they can realize the defeat they have experienced then I think they will be able to stop betting on the gambling, but very few people can stop gambling if they are chasing wins from the losses they have obtained.
You are right, when we continue to chase wins in the bets we play we only enrich the voters of the gambling place and they will not get the wins they are chasing and luck is not on our side today so we will lose.

It seems that the people you told me about are quite suspicious, I assume that if they are chasing losses to break even or treat losses with wins that they are people who come to earn. On the other hand, they themselves have proven that in dozens of trials there are only a few successes / victories that they are able to get, then where are the rest? obviously lost, because in gambling there are only two, if you don't win then you lose and vice versa. Then why do you still reject the fact that it always happens which is clearly just a matter of luck?

Consciousness is the main problem, it's useless even if they experience a lot of losses if their expectations are higher than their common sense, it will make it difficult for them to achieve consciousness. All of the above is because they are not responsible gamblers, because obviously one of the reasons why they always chase defeat is because they cannot accept the true fact that they are unlucky by always losing money, which also makes it difficult for them to achieve awareness. If these bad habits and mindsets are not stopped then instead of getting a win or breaking even but what happens is that your slump will get deeper, and the casino gets a big advantage from your behavior and mindset that is too much to hope for.
1690  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: CASHOUT OR NOT???? on: December 01, 2023, 06:39:13 PM
I only use little amount to gamble and I do not cash out. With the matches that I am seeing, if I am the one, I am not going to cash out. Sometimes, it will only just be a single match which may be the last match that will make someone lose. I did it sometimes ago, I won all the matches but remaining one match with the lowest odd of 1.05 and I lost it. If you are winning already, you can cash out, but if you can afford to lose the money, why cashing out.
If you have the opportunity to withdraw profit, then why not do it? If you obviously make a minimum deposit which is enough for several games, and you do not reach the amount you would like to withdraw, then this is one thing, but if the winnings allow you to withdraw your profit, then it is worth doing. I understand that many people play without much hope of winning, but if you are constantly losing, don’t you want to stop doing it?

Good idea, you are suggesting the right approach with all the situations and conditions that are very likely to occur, if you are already in a favorable situation then obviously it is an opportunity for you to make that profit a reality by withdrawing it and enjoying it directly. But on the other hand unfortunately not everyone can do that, it seems quite difficult, with such circumstances they will think it is better to take advantage of the opportunity which means choosing to continue because they think they will be able to be more fortunate than what they have got before which means pursuing something bigger.

Not everyone is able to keep their promises at the beginning of their planning, such as for example to make withdrawals when they reach a certain amount, something seems a little lacking if they don't add something to that condition, maybe you know what they will do, yes it is greed. Especially for gamblers who come with the intention of winning, then obviously when they get a win then they will feel that it is their lucky time and after that they will take advantage of the situation to bet with a larger amount, but what happens? yes all previous winnings are lost and regret. The point is that in any condition, winning or losing we must be able to put limits to stop and rest.
1691  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tips on staying responsible. on: December 01, 2023, 08:24:12 AM
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You are right, that is what must be done, by doing it continuously so that it becomes a habit it will produce a good thing. it doesn't matter if it takes a long time, as long as you are consistent in doing it, it will work. enjoying gambling will be felt if we aim to find pleasure, if we aim to find victory, it will make us nervous, maybe panic when the balance we have is starting to run low. Even if you force it, it is useless in my opinion, because someone who is addicted can be resistant when given direction or advice, it is better to let go until he experiences something big that can make himself realize himself. So pay attention to yourself before others, because other people don't necessarily care about us either.
By making it a habit, they can definitely turn it into something good, and perhaps they only need a short time to become even better. The results that each person will get will vary depending on their efforts, but what is clear is that if someone is willing to try slowly, no matter how long it takes, he can definitely change his habits. By doing it continuously, we program our body and mind to do something different from what we usually do so that we will divert our attention to that new thing. What we want from gambling is pleasure and entertainment, so if we stick to our goal, we will not deviate from that goal and will still be able to enjoy gambling as it should.

If they are confident maybe it won't take long, with the confidence they have I think they can establish it quickly, because as the saying goes "the sooner the better", but it also depends on what is being done. Also, they will be able to do it if they get used to it because like another saying "It's possible because it's common", something that is difficult to do at first if done regularly will become easy. Gambling should only be for fun not for profit, because after all the big profits will only be felt by the casino itself which has all the gambling rules. They just have to play responsibly by having everything they can do to avoid the losses that will come. Also do not forget many things just because of gambling alone. So I think they win if they can gamble responsibly well.
1692  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling are mainly for rich and lucky mind. on: December 01, 2023, 08:02:15 AM
Gambling is for people who are risk takers regardless of it's financial status. Rich or poor we have the right to gamble but will always have differences between habits and behaviors when gambling. Some gamblers are responsible and some are not regardless of how rich or poor we are. Rich or poor, our only goal is to have fun and win. Luck will always strike randomly keep that in mind.

Everyone can gamble if they want to and have the money. For the rich, they gamble with the sole purpose of seeking pleasure and they know the true meaning of gambling that gambling is only a means of entertainment not a means of making money. Rich people who gamble are not afraid of the losses they will get because they only aim to find pleasure, and the pleasure is in the game where in the game there will be a sensation that is felt. So even if they lose they will not mind it.

But for the poor, they gamble hoping for luck that will give them a big win, there are also those who force themselves to gamble even though their finances are limited, and when gambling they are not prepared for the defeat, if they get a loss they may regret and get upset which will eventually make them deposit their money back because the victory that they have not gotten is their main goal.
1693  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Reckless gambling starts after a win round. on: December 01, 2023, 07:40:51 AM
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From all this, what I think is that we always have to step on the ground, we should never think that a losing streak or the possible problem of assistance comes after having won a streak, it is not like that, we in the casino anywhere At the moment we cannot have any type of streak, it is obvious that the one that repeats itself the most is the loser, but the reason is more than obvious, it is the house advantage, that is why we always hear it said that the house always wins, it can Could it be that whoever said that a losing streak begins after a loss does not have an applicable conceptual object, why? Maybe a woman has had a good streak, but she bets and loses, she increases her bet, then she increases it further and increases it, believing that by doing a desperate martingale she will win again and that is not the case, with a martingale it is the strategy that is most reckless for me in every sense, be it in trading or in the game.

I think when that happens, and if we are on a great winning streak and we start to lose, the best thing we have to do is give up with money, be smarter, because that's what we are, sad people, intelligent people, who already We earn some money in a casino , it is obvious that the casino will not allow us to win more but it is not because the casino is bad, no, it is because the casino in its games has its profit factor, which is what everyone calls profit advantage, the house , and since very house advantage is something normal that we must all accept because that is how this business works , we have to Accept that in casinos it is like that, that is why every opportunity we have to win and win well, we have to withdraw, because otherwise we will lose what we win, and if we deposit more then we will lose more, that has happened to many players and actually doing something like that is very sad, because leaving with Empty pockets when you could have left with full pockets is very very Bad business.

Not a few of them still continue to gamble after getting a win, they don't realize that the casino won't let them, of course the greatness of the possible winnings they get will be taken back by the casino, because the casino won't let them get a bigger win. I think they do that because they think their luck is still in gambling so the winnings they have gotten they make the opportunity to gamble with a large amount of bets because they think there will be a bigger win with a large amount of bets. so they decide to gamble again, even though they are being played by the casino. For smart people, when they get a big win they will immediately withdraw it and cash it in then go and enjoy the winnings because they already know what will happen if they continue gambling, with their awareness like this, they can avoid the loss of the winnings that have been obtained. And the good thing is that it should be like this, not to do carelessness or excessive gambling.

It would be better for all gamblers to be able to do so, by cashing in the winnings they have earned, not by continuing the game because of greed and wanting a bigger win, they may lose, even if it is certain that they will experience things they do not want, such as losing, it may make them annoyed in the end and regret it. When we win, there must be a feeling of greed that drives us to continue the game. This will definitely happen and be felt by the person who wins, but the control lies with each of us. How we respond to the winnings we have gotten, if we continue to play means we follow our ego, if we immediately cash out means we can fight the greed that is inside us. But it's good to fight greed because greed can make us lose the winnings we have earned. By cashing out the winnings you've earned and going away to enjoy the winnings you've earned, then you can come back one day to continue playing. They can do that if they can fight their greed well so that they won't have unwanted losses. So in my opinion, they should cash out the winnings they have earned, not continuing the game would be better.
The ability to a bow when we win is what makes us different from other gamblers who have allowed their greed to take the better part of them and lead them to more losses in the end, this is what many and most of us have already understood this fact and that is why we know when to cash out our winning and also making any further attempt and with set amount to avoid higher loses, because definitely if you continue in a particular direction, e.g chasing the loses or winning, it all drive you to the same reality of becoming overly one direction chasser which have become the basis for many negative outcome at all time.

They should cash in on the winnings they have earned, because it is unlikely that luck will continue to be on their side especially if they have got a big enough win, so the casino provides opportunities for us to cash in on the winnings we get, the greed that exists cannot be hidden so many of them continue their games to pursue bigger wins. Even if they bet with a large amount it does not guarantee it will be easy to get another win. So in the end, they will only lose.
1694  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: December 01, 2023, 07:19:03 AM
I do not really have a problem with a gambler trying to become a professional and trying to make money out of gambling, however before they even try they need to answer a very important question to themselves, and that is how exactly are they going to achieve their goal of making money while they gamble? And until they can answer that question honestly and they have the evidence on their hands that what they want to do works, then they have no business gambling at all.
We don't have a problem with those who want to become a professional. But they should first see what has happened to many people who don't even want to be professionals but have lost so much. They don't have any desires except to win the gambling game so they keep betting. If they want to become a professional, they must be able to learn many things, not only about skills but also useful things, to be able to prevent them from making mistakes when playing gambling. Not many people can eventually become professionals, while others will only experience a lot of losses.

Yes I understand what you mean, Where they can still continue to gamble by not using or disturbing finances for needs, that's good because then they have a sense of responsibility for what is more important, I suggest gambling only occasionally using leftover money, such as bonus money from work not to use the money set aside for daily needs let alone using savings. Yes that's right, I also think like that, gambling naturally just don't overdo it because if luck favors it will give victory, not by playing continuously to get victory, because usually it will only spend more money will also make us continue to be addicted to playing. Of course, there are many examples that occur if they force themselves to continue gambling, also by increasing their budget for gambling, it does not guarantee that victory will be easy to get. So it's best to do what needs to be done that we think is needed especially for daily life, because if you pursue victory there will be no end. Instead of being successful, they become miserable, of course they don't want that, they chase victory to change their lives for the better but in fact it's the opposite.
That's what we call having responsibility while playing gambling because they still remember that they have needs that must be met and the money they get from their source of income must be managed or adjusted to all their needs. They cannot use a lot of money to gamble because they have other needs that they must fulfill so they must be able to control themselves when gambling. By being able to properly allocate their income to all their needs, including gambling, they can gamble without any disturbance and it will also not interfere with their other finances. If they got their luck, they would definitely be able to win. They will not chase victory because they already know it will be difficult and will require more so it could disrupt their financial position. Moreover, we already know that gambling is just entertainment, so we shouldn't gamble excessively. Otherwise, we will get into trouble later.

But most people today gamble irresponsibly by forgetting a lot of things even their own health they can forget, really not playing the side effects of gambling that can make someone forget themselves. I always anticipate this, I gamble but not by forgetting things, especially with health because I think everyone knows health is expensive. They should also realize that they won't be able to succeed if they only gamble, there is very little chance of winning let alone being successful. But it cannot be hidden that people who are addicted to gambling are not few, many of them still want a big win to become successful with gambling or in other words rich with gambling, this kind of mindset must be changed but it is also difficult to change or realize those who are already addicted to gambling.
1695  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is not a steady income haven on: December 01, 2023, 07:01:59 AM
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Just pay attention to yourself, we have to limit gambling so that it does not become a severe addiction which is also dangerous, if other people are like that, even one of our friends is addicted to gambling, just advise naturally, but I myself if I have advised him many times but he has no change then I myself prefer to let him go as long as he does not harm others with a note using his own money whether it is income they have or savings, giving advice already then what else can I do if he has a stubborn nature, only he himself will realize that what he is doing is salak, when it's time for them to realize I think they will also come to us to ask for solutions to the problems they feel. Whether other people will agree with me or not, I don't think about it either.
Only you can control yourself, gambling is of your own free will without any coercion from other parties. Limiting gambling so that you don't fall too deep needs to be prioritized, many other needs are responsibilities that must be prioritized. Gambling does not guarantee a win, if you hope to win at a gambling place, in my opinion, it is a big mistake. You don't need to force yourself too much to advise other people continuously, you have tried to direct him not to become a gambling addict, let him fulfill his own goals.

It is true that you said that, the casino or gambling party also has no element of forcing people to gamble, they serve people who want to play gambling not forcing people to do gambling. It's true that it should be like that, but most of them don't think about that because all they think about is the winnings they will get, even though it is clear that gambling is only a seasoned entertainment not a permanent income paradise. I think people gamble because they want quick wealth but they are wrong, people who gamble with such goals will actually feel a big loss, it is better to gamble by just looking for entertainment, by not being afraid of the loss of money they put, instead of gambling with the aim of getting a big win and being afraid of the money they will lose, if they are still afraid of the money they will lose I think they misinterpret gambling.
1696  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why sports betting? on: November 30, 2023, 03:50:31 PM

In the long run, though, is it possible to win? Sports betting is a mix of skill and luck. Knowing how the game works does improve your chances, but luck is always a factor. How to open it? Effectively managing your money and a deep comprehension of chances and probabilities are essential. Not just picking wins, but also finding bets with good odds. Do you think you can win? Yes, with dedication and smarts. Do not forget, though, that the house always has the upper hand. Do not just play hard; be smart too.

True, sports betting is a perfect mix of skill and luck, can you get a winning streak? of course, but I wouldn't say that's entirely true because there are some parts that won't be able to  always support you like luck, do you have good enough skills in sports or even just basic things? it's unknown, only you can judge yourself about the extent of your ability in sports knowledge.

If you don't have any skills at all then I don't think you should get involved in betting, because of course if you're desperate enough to keep betting then it's probably like you're relying entirely on luck when there are things you can do to improve your luck percentage to be closer. So simply put you'll be able to tell how skilled you are at the sport by how often good  results make you smile in a few sessions, if losing still dominates it means you still need to learn more. But there's something else you should keep in mind, even if you're highly skilled, you shouldn't forget about boundaries and control, because after all, it's a gamble that can sometimes be disappointing.
1697  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Greed or risk on: November 30, 2023, 03:27:48 PM
Without a doubt that is what happens and this can be terrible for a newbie gambler, because now what they want is to obtain profits out of gambling, and while we know that a few gamblers are able to do that, a newbie gambler does not have the tools to produce those kind of results, so they may begin to use way more money than what they originally thought, only to find themselves losing all of that money and not knowing what to do as that was money they actually needed in order to pay their bills and other debts they may have had.

Yes, they will keep trying to imitate what happened before and wanting to keep those winning moments, but in reality, it isn't true
having a continuous winning streak is not an always the outcome.

You need to realize that gambling is more on strategy and luck, though in some sense greed may be a friend if you know how to play with it.

But most of the time, that greed will lead you to lose a lot and keep you trying from time to time.



There is no such thing as being stagnant in winnings from gambling, but what is more likely and what is in  accordance with the facts is that you will only suffer many losses if you continue to apply a selfish mindset by always wanting to hold on to moments that can make you smile.

In reality not everyone can accept the true fact that only luck can make them achieve the results they want or a little better, to be honest I'm not sure if there are some of them who can be  good friends with greed, as usual that not everyone can control it and what exists is that greed will always be an early indication of the next step/result which is much worse.

Instead of getting a much bigger win, the fact that happens is that you lose everything you got at the start, that is strong evidence and everyone has experienced it and that is why we should not behave  greedily in gambling activities, it doesn't matter if you are. want to implement it as long as you have to be prepared for all the bad impacts that will definitely occur.

1698  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you ever been a gambling addict? on: November 30, 2023, 03:07:54 PM
I started gambling online by seeing those big bonuses on ads and after that I knew that these require wagering to be able to claim those bonuses.
it was hard to complete those requirements so I lost of first deposit and I deposited second time i lost that too, I was playing irresponsibly and without knowing anything about online casinos.
I learned the lesson hard way that player cannot win in gambling long term if he doesn't able to control his emotions.

For the most part, bonus systems in casinos are designed to make a gambler in the casino as much money as possible to his account. If you consider the fact that the casino has an advantage over the gambler, it is easy to understand that the more you gamble, the more you will lose money. This is a very simple marketing move, which many do not understand and continue to chase bonuses.  

But to get a bonus they have to top up their gambling account first, and my experience is sometimes when I put a not too large amount then the bonus I get is meaningless, or I mean maybe it can only be used for a few spins, I only get 5% of the amount of 100% of the money I bet and that's very small. Some gamblers may have been fooled by the bonuses they can get, even though you managed to get a bonus but look at the actual facts as you said that the amount you lose is far greater than the bonus you get and it is far from equal. If you come in looking for maximum winnings along with bonuses then I think it's all going to be reversed, or I mean a lot of money you're going to have to lose.

Casinos are so clever they can do anything that looks good to gamblers, it's like indirect brainwashing.
1699  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you gamble because you don't have sufficient money? on: November 30, 2023, 01:58:03 PM
Insight and the level of curiosity about something that should be a major concern and prioritized, this will be useful so that you know what is actually in the field, do not get the wrong idea because there will be negative impacts that will befall you when you come without any consideration, as is the case in gambling and especially for poor people who are also poor in terms of insight and way of thinking. Not only that, I will not fully blame the poor because of course there are several factors that are very likely to influence them so that they bring the wrong mindset, the impetus of difficult circumstances? yes that's right, of course they have stressful circumstances due to lack of strength in financial terms that make them think to look for or take advantage of whatever is in front of them which of course can give them money.

When there is gambling, it is clear and not strange if they think that this is an activity that can produce, the pressure of the situation has changed the way they think, instead of getting income to increase their financial strength, but the opposite happens, they lose a lot of money from their hard work which is not much. I think more middle class/poor people are victims of the impact of addiction, the mindset that is their initial mistake, so they make decisions that should not be.
1700  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: November 30, 2023, 01:30:55 PM

Union Berlin is like a team that has run out of gas, and is having difficulty showing its best performance in the 2023/24 season. In fact, we have seen this phenomenon in the previous season, when Union Berlin focused on other competitions, one of which was the Europa League. Their performance goes ups and downs, especially in the Bundesliga. So, they had to go down in ranking and were eventually overtaken by Dortmund and Bayern Munich.
this season, they should increase the amount of ammunition they have to bring in. because, Berlin plays for the Champions League. However, the opposite problem occurred, this team looked like a team that had lost its enthusiasm. The system built by Urs Fischer with his flagship pattern 5-4-1, or 3-5-2, doesn't seem to be effective in every match. Berlin was only recorded as being able to win 2 matches in the Bundesliga out of 12 matches, 1 draw and 9 defeats. in the Champions League group phase, they did not even win a match.

Well, as far as I have read, Urs Fischer actually resigned by reaching an agreement with the club management. and yep, naturally, with a series of such poor performances, the great coach realized that he was no longer competent to handle the team he was coaching. In the end, now Nenad Bjelica has replaced him. The group stage match is his debut match with Union Berlin, so let's watch and wait for the results of how this new coach handles Union Berlin.
Union Berlin was a better team last season but they've been less better this season from week after the season began till now, be it managerial, technical or general team issue, they ought to be doing better. Now they're categorized as the least teams in the league, and it's really not paying out for them.

 Yesterday against Braga, they were able to maintain a draw which although was okay for the fact that they played away from home but at thesame time, they need an improvement in their performance, they need to pose more dangers to their opponents as well. Currently it's pretty much easy to predict the outcome of their games and it isn't supposed to be so. There has to be a change in all areas, there are numerous means to switching from poor to better and it should be implemented.

Last season Union Berlin performed quite impressively as an ordinary team, they were able to survive in the tight competition in the top five so they could finish with a top 4 position in the standings, it was a good achievement and I said that they had a fairly strong consistency in the past few seasons, there was no significant change and in the previous 3 seasons they never finished above the top 10 of the standings. But this season is much different, I never thought that Nenad Bjelica's squad would fall so quickly without any indication beforehand.

I think the match against Braga could have been a win for Union Berlin in the UCL because Braga were down to 10 men, one of their players got their card in the 31st minute of the first half, meaning at least Union Berlin had a good chance to maximize that match to get the full three points, but yes as we saw that until the end they were only able to get a draw. In both the Bundesliga and UCL Union Berlin are out of luck, there's nothing impressive about them, to be honest I wouldn't pin any more hopes on them, it's like they've lost faith and maybe the relegation zone is more appropriate for a team that's performing so poorly.
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