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1761  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Beginner needs your advices in gambling. on: November 25, 2023, 01:09:11 PM
Curiosity will always be the biggest driver for every gambler, especially for those beginners who have just come to gambling, usually curiosity will dominate him more and also on the other hand temptation will continue to make you even more crazy in putting that curiosity. This is the starting point that will determine whether they will end up with addiction or not, but usually gamblers who come because they see the victory of others will find it difficult to hold back every curiosity because yes, what is in their mind is winning not gambling for entertainment.

I think that greed is the bigger driver than curiosity.  Curiosity is even triggered by greed in this matter.  Unless the gambler is not in for profit, then it is an exemption but to be honest, almost all gamblers are aiming for a win.  Like you stated, if victory of others  lead a person to his curiosity, then more likely that person aims to win an amount which can be said to be trigger by greed.  So this simply means cutting off greed can make a gambler less likely to get hooked in gambling.

Greed is more identical to the sense of wanting to have more than one has or gets, if for curiosity is a sense where someone wants to find what he is looking for or what is the answer to a question mark for someone.
Both have the same role, which is the urge for someone to move forward and want to know more clearly what they don't know, and when they know what they are looking for they will understand and then study each case, because the greed that exists can also make someone more aggrressive in pursuit of victory  and this can result in greater losses to them. If they can't control their greed it will be bad for them in the future, when someone has won and they feel unsatisfied and then continue the game again by increasing the amount of bets to get a bigger win ,here it can be sure they have experienced the name greed because with the victory they have got does not make them feel enough so they want a bigger win.

In this way, it is possible that they will experience defeat as well as the victory that they have obtained can be lost because they continue their game by increasing the amount of the bet, because it is unlikely that they will experience continuous luck, unless they have god-level luck by always getting their winnings easily, but that I think is unlikely, because luck is generally only occasionally not continuous. Not to mention the defeat that will make them upset, of course they have to consider everything if they want to continue the game so they don't regret it at the end, because most people can't accept the fact with a defeat that makes them upset because the victory that is not obtained is also the victory that has been obtained is lost. So they should be able to control themselves before gambling and consider everything lest they are easily driven by greed.

One of the things that they must have and emphasize on themselves and especially on their mindset is to apply self-control very firmly, they do not know what kind of temptations exist in gambling sessions, so it is the right action in general to be able to save them from things that are not wanted, especially losing large amounts, and also yes so that you avoid the name of a very bad addiction. There is no other way to overcome the disastrous effects of gambling, only self-control  and strict limits, I hope you and they can implement it well.

I agree and one that can ensure that the gambler can apply a self-control is nullifying greed.  Greed makes one to think irrationally, it also makes a person to chase winnings which is harmful in the end since it can make a gambler spend more than he can afford to lose to meet his goal.

In addition time moderation is always important and make sure that a person must not forget his other responsibilities and obligation.  In short, don't let gambling be the center of his life.

Because if they cannot control their greedy nature they can spend all their money and even their savings, and this will also cause problems in the future for themselves, when they run out of money to gamble again they can just borrow money from friends or close relatives, not to mention if they have a selfish nature they can commit acts of violence against friends or close relatives to get loans, and if it gets wider they can commit criminal acts that are very risky.

Not only will they harm themselves, if they commit a crime, of course other people will also lose because what they do could be robbing, stealing or other crimes, where if they dare to commit these crimes it will further harm themselves as well as make it difficult for them because they may have to deal with the police.
1762  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is this a good advice? on: November 25, 2023, 12:40:25 PM
~snip~
This happens because the greed that has overcome them so that it encourages them to return to pursue bigger wins. When they get a big win, not all gamblers can get it easily, even if they try as hard as possible if the luck is not on them, they will not get the big win, even if they continue gambling after getting a big win, they might lose the winnings they have got again, but if you say that, they are among the lucky ones because they continue the game after getting the win.
Because people who gamble when they continue their game when they get their winnings tend to get defeated, but if they get back the winnings it is very lucky.

Yes as much as possible they have to withdraw the winnings they get, and consider it if they really want to continue the game to pursue a bigger win, And keep in mind luck is not on their side all the time.
Greed can indeed encourage us to continue gambling, and we can also be easily tempted. But if we have good self-control, we will not be tempted, and we can even stop ourselves from gambling and leave the casino. We will not chase another win because we understand that it is difficult for us to get it, so we will choose just to stop gambling rather than experience more losses. People who continue to gamble and cannot stop themselves will experience loss. Even though they can also win, they will lose more often, and that will make them lose more money. Indeed, some people can manage to win again, and they are lucky people, but if they still can't stop, they will lose their money from consecutive losses in the next round.

Withdrawing their winnings is something they should do, and never think about using the winning money to continue gambling. It wouldn't be worth doing, especially if you've been gambling for some time. You need a break to de-escalate the tension so that winning and celebrating the win is recommended.

Indeed, if only someone can control himself well maybe he will not continue to gamble, they should be able to fight greed with good self-control, by stopping when getting a win or when getting a loss, that way they will not experience a lot of money losses. Even if they get a win, if they look back they may have lost a lot of money which makes them lose a lot of money and the win can't make up for the losses they have gotten. No matter how hard they pursue the victory they want to get it will not happen if they are not lucky, even with good skills in gambling, it does not rule out the possibility of them losing, because skills in gambling in my opinion do not have a big effect. Because only luck has a big influence on gambling, even if they are beginners who do not know clearly about gambling and just play by default but if they are lucky then they can get a decent win.

That's the best, and to do that requires strong self-control to fight the greed that is on the rise when getting a win, naturally only a few people can do it because it's not easy to do just easy to say. People who are smart or wise will withdraw their winnings and go to enjoy their winnings alone or with their friends. They will not be rash in making decisions that are at great risk.
1763  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cash out or keep playing? on: November 25, 2023, 12:20:22 PM
However, there's a crucial moment in every gambler's journey. the moment when you hit that big win. Do you cash out and savor your victory, or do you continue playing in hopes of even bigger winnings?
When I win a big prize, I will no doubt to cash out the prize because I know it is too risky to continue playing. Moreover if we play with bigger capital, it even can lead to losing all the prize. Gambling is mostly about luck, there is no guarantee to win more if we play more. Instead of winning more prizes, in many cases it lead to loses gradually. So, whenever you win a big prize, it is recommended to cash out the prize. Just come back again to play after you enjoy your winning.  Grin


I don't think it's a lot of luck, but indeed gambling only relies on luck, luck in gambling in my opinion has a big role because even a person who is an expert in gambling may not necessarily be able to get his winnings easily, and what you said is good, when you get a win you immediately cash it in because you already know the risks, that's good. You have good self-control that can benefit yourself. I appreciate that.

Most of them can't control themselves when they get a big win so they decide to continue the game to get a bigger win, because they have become greedy and want a bigger win, And also there are people who do not think about the risks if with the winnings that have been obtained and they continue the game by increasing the amount of bets to get a bigger win and when they lose with the winnings they get also lost they cannot accept it so that it makes them upset and think of ways to get the winnings again, by depositing money back to gamble again they hope that the winnings that have been lost can be obtained again and can even exceed the winnings obtained before, but that is a fatal mistake. So it can make them lose more money. they should withdraw the winnings they have gotten and go to enjoy the winnings they have gotten.
1764  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What are some things you should always avoid while gambling ? on: November 24, 2023, 06:30:21 PM
That's right, isn't it? The sense of satisfaction that exists in gamblers is high, so it is difficult to find a breaking point that will make them realize that the victory they get is enough. And not continue the game that can spend back the winnings they previously got. But the reality is like this, many of them dare to continue their game without thinking about the risks they will get so that they regret at the end that they can only feel. In general also defeat is synonymous with upset, disappointed, sad. So naturally many people get emotional when they lose by wanting to gamble again to restore the losses they have felt, but that's impossible. The chances are very slim that they can restore the losses they have experienced, even if they gamble again with the aim of wanting to restore losses, it will only spend more of their money.
Human nature makes it difficult to stop gambling when you should, as if you are winning then you want to win even more, but if you are losing then you want to at least recover the money you have lost, now it is inevitable that this happens from time to time, however if this keeps happening to a gambler despite their attempts to try to curb this behavior, then maybe it is time they seriously think about leaving gambling behind.

And it happens because of the encouragement of the dissatisfaction that exists in themselves as well as greed that helps the dissatisfaction to continue the game, unconsciously those who continue the game have entered into the trap of the bookie, where the winnings that have been obtained will most likely be pulled back by the bookie. If they continue the game after getting the victory, they will experience defeat where many of them cannot accept the defeat and become emotional because of the defeat they get, so most likely they will return to gambling for revenge by wanting a bigger win that can cover the defeat they got at the beginning, and this has become common in all gamblers, it is also difficult to avoid because of the level of awareness that is less mastered by them so they are easily attracted by the temptation of gambling. So the thing to avoid in my opinion is greed.
1765  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you gamble because you don't have sufficient money? on: November 24, 2023, 06:12:05 PM
For fun. I don't know about others but I gambled to relieved me of stress. People gamble because of a lot of reasons but most of the time the main goal is money. While many of us might think it should only be played as a gaining tons of money but I don't. If you observe closely you will see less developed countries gamble the most and have the most gamblers even thought they can't effort. Not only they can't effort is they are also addicted to it. The only thing they want is money money and money.
It's good if you gamble to relieve your stress. But people out there think of gambling to make money even if they don't have money because they see that gambling can still be used to make money. Even though they also see many people who have lost money from gambling and don't want to stop gambling because they still feel they can win in the next round. In less developed countries, gambling seems to be a way to make money, especially since they see several people who can win a lot of money from gambling, so they think they can make money like those gambling winners.

And what they do like that is wrong, making gambling a source of money is not right, as you said at the beginning it is better to gamble to relieve stress or to look for sensations, not more than that. If they gamble for the reason of wanting to multiply their money it is a big mistake, which is where it is the beginning for them to become addicted because when they don't have enough money and gamble with the end result of losing it will only increase their emotions which make them want to play again with the aim of recovering the money they have lost. That's what will happen if they have the principle of doubling money with gambling.
Gambling has a tremendous attraction that can attract anyone who plays it, because it is the rule of any gambling, by attracting everyone to gamble by making them deeper and deeper to continue gambling and making them spend a lot of money on gambling which will make a profit for the bookie who plays the role of host.
1766  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is not a steady income haven on: November 24, 2023, 05:51:22 PM
Gambling should never be considered as the only source of income. Gambling is a completely uncertain platform where money can come to you in a moment and money can be lost from you in a moment so don't rely too much on this platform. If we have a job or a business we have to depend on that job or business and depending on the job or business we can only take gambling as a part time hobby. Gambling guarantees that you will earn money but you cannot pay. If you win money by gambling then it's your luck and it's your extra money but never be totally dependent on this uncertain platform. People come to gambling platform to earn money but most people come to this platform and lose money.

Because gambling has a dangerous impact with a bad impact that is not playing if they make gambling the first source of income in life, because if they do it like that, it can be sure that their lives will experience difficulties in the future because it can make them become severely addicted,  also when they run out of money they may sell all the property they have to be able to return to gambling. Not to mention loans, they can take loans here and there to return to gambling, and they can get into debt in their lives which will make them themselves not calm in every day because they are anxious about loans that must be paid off while even when they have money they will not pay it off, but maybe they will prefer to return to gambling again, because of the urge of greed that exists in themselves that makes them want to continue gambling without thinking about other things that are more important and must be done,  addiction can eliminate a person's responsibility to many things that are usually done because they only focus on gambling so they ignore many other things.
1767  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slot games are a waste of time and money (most of the time) on: November 24, 2023, 05:30:22 PM
It is true that the fact is like that.
Slot gambling can indeed easily attract people who play it for a long time, and can also make someone lose track of time when gambling. I myself experienced it, I played gambling in the middle of the night with the aim of getting rid of boredom but because the spin was good, it made me even more interested in continuing to play it, unconsciously I had spent a lot of time gambling until the morning, and it was very beyond reason, I did not think that slot gambling would take a long time.
Maybe other people also feel the same way, with hours of time when playing slots, because maybe every good spin makes the money available not decrease but instead increase and the pull and encouragement that is felt to continue gambling without thinking about time.
1768  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: November 24, 2023, 05:08:43 PM
I have observed that the rich, I mean those who are financially comfortable, win more in gambling than the poor. By poor, I mean those who do not have enough to meet all their needs. I don't know the reason for this. Could it be that the rich understand financial management more? Or could it be that the rich are less desperate to win which make them make better gambling decision? I really want to know the reason for this pattern I have observed.

I am not a rich person, but in my opinion, rich people who tend to gamble do so without hesitation and without fear of losing money so that they gamble arbitrarily just to look for thrills, not to get the victory that is the main goal. that way they don't think about winning but looking for fun and entertainment in gambling, especially in physical casinos, many rich people gamble just to look for fun because they think the fun they can feel is only in the casino.
Unlike the poor or not enough money, maybe they gamble carefully and the main goal is to get a big win even with a small capital. This is a problem for them in the future, because it will bring big problems that will affect their lives, by gambling carefully because although the desire for victory they feel is certainly not ready for the risk of losing the money they play. So the poor are more careful when gambling to play carefully even if in the end they lose.
1769  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Luck and skill, which is more important for gambling success? on: November 24, 2023, 04:44:06 PM
Luck.

Even you've analyze the game, familiar with the game and choose the best possibility in order to win, but shit can happen because of luck. While someone who doesn't understand about the game and bet on a random team can win because they're lucky.

It's like this, it's true that you say someone who doesn't understand or a beginner who plays carelessly but can make a win because of his luck, but for those who play nicely understand all aspects of the game and bet very carefully but don't get a win because of the absence of luck on them so they can't get the winnings that have been told as much as possible.

This proves that luck plays a greater role than skill, because in my own opinion, I don't need good skills in gambling just rely on luck, no matter how good the skills are even with people who are great at gambling, it's useless if they are not lucky.
1770  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: November 24, 2023, 03:51:34 PM
As you said, they just have to have good self-control, by limiting gambling activities that have a dangerous impact, and also try to limit gambling, not to lose a lot of other things, such as time, for example as you said playing when everyone is asleep, that's true. But it needs to be underlined that if you do gambling activities like that too often, your sleep time or hours will be disturbed and of course this will affect our own health. And the main thing is money, as much as possible they should be able to limit gambling, by not chasing a win that is not clear that it will be easy to get and even then usually people tend to spend more money on gambling than other important things.
That's the first thing, because in my opinion even if they have their family and friends who support them to stop gambling, it will be difficult if they themselves do not have strong determination and intention, because the key is in themselves who will determine everything. As you said, even if they don't have people accompanying them in recovery, I also think they will be able to carry out the recovery well because of the strong intention and determination they have, and they must also be consistent in terms of gambling recovery. With the support of other people such as family or friends, it only needs to be used as motivation that the addicted person can leave the bad habit, and they must prove it until it is completed perfectly.
That means we have to start caring more about our health so that we don't experience problems. By maintaining health, being able to gamble responsibly, and having self-control, we can be free from any pressure, and we won't even think about recovering from losses because we already know that it is difficult to win. If we keep trying, we might lose more money than we can afford to use for gambling. Playing gambling for too long will clearly harm our health, not only physical health but also mental health where this mental health will affect our mindset, so that we will not know when to stop gambling because we only think about gambling. The key for gambling addicts who want to heal themselves is to have strong intentions and determination that can help them rise from adversity and be able to undergo all the healing sessions so that they can slowly start to heal themselves and see the opportunity to recover from gambling addiction. This strong intention and determination will become stronger when the gambling addict sees that his family is accompanying him during the healing period for his gambling addiction so that he does not feel alone and lonely. This is important for gambling addicts because having someone accompany them through their healing sessions can encourage them to be able to complete each session.

Gambling responsibly, by paying attention to other things that are more important than gambling. do not let just gambling harm many things such as time and health, gambling naturally without overdoing it so it will not become addictive, playing at the right time so that you can enjoy the game and also pay attention to your own health, do not get sick because only because of playing gambling that interferes with our rest time. If only for once in a while it doesn't matter but if you make it a habit it is highly discouraged, gambling that has its own impact should not be added by playing it during sleeping hours.

But there are indeed people who play like that, by playing gambling in the middle of the night because they take the peace that exists, only sooner or later their health will be damaged because of the impact of lack of sleep or rest. This is also not a little done by people, many do it, but whatever because it's their own choice. They also have their own thoughts, so they can think which is good and not good for them. although it is difficult to rise from adversity, but they really have to do it in order to change their lives for the better, because their future is unlikely to be spent gambling alone. if they really want wealth they have to work hard to achieve a decent life, not by gambling which is made their main income in life.

The reason gambling is not seen as a good thing is because, it has an impact that will harm someone when they have experienced gambling addiction, not much different from drug addiction. So naturally this has a bad view in all people or society. because the impact that occurs is difficult to hide, therefore it is likely that the impact will be very visible to many people around it and it is difficult to cure it as you said, because it can be said to be almost equivalent to drug addiction where if to quit the addiction it must go through a rehabilitation phase which is very difficult for addicts to do. And to stop completely at once may be difficult but can do it slowly as you said, by reducing his gambling activities and it will provide an opportunity to be able to stop gambling even though slowly, but it doesn't matter because those who go from ordinary to addiction certainly go through the process but quickly, unlike the problem to cure his addiction, they have to do it gradually, step by step. If they are consistent maybe they will be able to quickly recover from the addiction. Although the chances are said to be very slim but there is no harm in trying it because this will also produce good and positive values for themselves.
That is why any addiction can have a bad impact on ourselves and the people around us, and they may experience a worse impact than the person who is addicted. They will not know anything about people who are addicted, how to find a solution, what they should do in the beginning, and so on. They have to keep themselves busy looking for more information about gambling addiction and also meeting several people who are thought to be able to help them cure people who are addicted to gambling. We probably won't know what the difference is between gambling and drug addiction. Even people who are addicted might not realize it because they are excessive users. Maybe if that's the case, his family needs to take him to a rehabilitation center so that people who are addicted to gambling can be treated using better methods. It's like taking a drug addict to a rehabilitation center for drug addicts, and they have to stay in the rehabilitation center to undergo treatment. Maybe they will be taught how to reduce their gambling addiction by doing things that can benefit them and can start to divert their attention to gambling. And there are other things that they have to follow because those are the procedures that rehabilitation centers have to cure people who are addicted to gambling.

If the addiction to gambling or drugs is also fatal, what is damaged is not physical but their thinking, so they have to meet other people to ask for advice and input, if it still doesn't work because the addiction is severe, maybe they should meet with a psychological expert because healing the mind is not as easy as healing physical wounds, their mentality that is also damaged will have a bad impact on others, by changing their attitude to become more aggressive and maybe they can commit unintentional acts of violence when they are being advised by others or their families. It can be said that people who are already addicted will not realize that they are addicted, even addictions like this usually hide it because they are embarrassed if other people find out not to mention the family that if they know this bad habit there may be conflict between the family and the addicted person, Where we know that addicted people tend not to want to lose because they are hypnotized by the things they always do which according to themselves it has become their personal needs, just like drugs, as you said "taking a drug addict to a rehabilitation center" the process of healing this addiction will be painful or torturous for the addict, but if he himself wants to recover then he must undergo it even if it tortures themselves. No one else can help them but themselves who determine their future, it is impossible for those who are adults or even have a family to still depend on their parents.

Yes, it is difficult to quit gambling addiction, it is almost impossible to recover from the addiction that has been attached and even ingrained with them. But there must be a way out if they really have the intention to quit the addiction itself. By doing new things when they want to gamble it will make them little by little able to leave the gambling addiction activity, for example when he wants to gamble he ventures into sports such as playing basketball, or tennis. That he can do or do other things that he likes because there are still many other things that are more useful than continuing to monitor gambling with little body movement,  but by exercising they will move all their limbs which of course will be healthy for themselves. It's true that they must have strong intentions and determination and also be consistent in what they want, of course it's not easy but if they are really consistent,  I think it will work well. If they are still half-hearted to stop gambling I think they are just wasting their time, even though they have tried but they themselves must admit that they have not been wholehearted to stop then it is better for them to gamble until the lowest point or the lowest point they don't have anything because it runs out by selling it and using it for gambling, that way they will realize by themselves do not need to get advice and encouragement from others who support them. And I don't think they have to gamble until they are old.
As long as there is an intention and desire, there must be a way, and as long as gambling addicts realize that they have made a fatal mistake to the point of making their life a mess and want to fix it, they will definitely get their way. It may take time to find the way. But with help from the people around them and also regularly visiting the rehabilitation center or even staying overnight at the rehabilitation center, they will find a suitable method to use that will speed up the process of healing their gambling addiction. The important thing is that gambling addicts do not feel that it is a burden and can live with it happily because it is a mistake they have made, and they want to cure their gambling addiction immediately. Maybe they can do regular exercise outside while breathing fresh air every morning or evening and also make another schedule that can be done regularly so that he won't be able to think about gambling like he did before. They also don't need to be at their lowest point to gain enlightenment. Most of them need to experience falling to their lowest point so that they can gain enlightenment about the mistakes they have made, gain awareness, and develop the desire to start changing their lives for the better.

All problems must have a way out, it's just that the rest depends on themselves who will determine the future. If they are already aware of the things they are doing that are detrimental to themselves then they can realize it even though the chances are very small. As much as possible they should be able to get through it because it is also for their own good not for others, because it is impossible if they are still addicted to old age. unless they have a large fixed income then they can do gambling until old age because of their inexhaustible income. it is not necessary to be at the lowest point to get enlightenment, but if those who are addicted to it have a stubborn nature, how? I think even people who support him will feel annoyed by advising him if he himself has not changed at all, with his awareness it is difficult in the sense of stubbornness, maybe people also who support his recovery will let him go because they feel they have wasted time advising him but there is no change made.

They also don't need to be at their lowest point to gain enlightenment. Most of them need to experience falling to their lowest point so that they can gain enlightenment.

You said something backwards "They also don't need to be at their lowest point to gain enlightenment. Most of them need to experience falling to the lowest point in order for them to gain enlightenment" I don't understand this sentence of yours, you say "don't need to" but the next sentence you say "they need to" even though in that one sentence the one goal is enlightenment, it's just that your second sentence has the word "fall" which distinguishes it from the first sentence.

To start a new life, they must make a total recovery and that is not easy to do, in the process it is hard and will even torture themselves and that is what they have to face if they want a new clean life. By starting a new life without gambling or drug addiction, it will make their lives calmer every day without feeling the anxiety of gambling.
1771  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: November 24, 2023, 03:51:15 PM
Trying to understand the clubs in Ligue 1 is difficult for me, I mean why do they falter so easily or in other words their consistency is so quickly lost when entering a new season. I think it's normal for players to come and go, but in reality it's not normal for that to happen at a Ligue 1 club. It's different when looking at La Liga and the Premier League for example, their consistency can still be said to be balanced when the season changes, yes although there are some clubs that also experience a significant decline.
What do you think caused that to happen in Ligue 1?
I'm glad someone else has also confirmed this about French Ligue 1, very difficult to predict. Just when you think a team like PSG has all the advantages to win a match, they will even lose at home to a smaller team. On the contrary, when you will not expect, you will see them delivering beyond imagination.
Nevertheless PSG have shown impressive record of recently as they have won five out of their last six matches drawing one against a smaller side Clermont Foot. So I will not be surprised if they humble Monaco who have not also been doing badly just that they have lost their glory.
Actually League 1 is not as interesting as other European leagues, so that how we see it. And it's not strange why PSG is easily the strongest team there. This also makes PSG relax more. Meanwhile, in other European League competitions, the competition is almost stable at least in one League the strongest club has more than 4-5 equal competitors. In France it is not visible at all so it is not surprising why there are not so many fans of League 1 apart from just wanting to see PSG play and even then PSG has Mbappe at the moment which is attracting the attention of the audience. Monaco, Lens and Marseille are still not as consistent as PSG, which is dominated by many top players.

Then Mbappe departure next season will have a clear impact on the audience interest in League 1 therefore it is not surprising that PSG is determined by all means to keep Mbappe as long as possible.
1772  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: November 24, 2023, 03:10:57 PM
With only one win in the last 5 matches, Werder Bremen is stuck in 12th position and is likely to drop again in this week's match because their opponent is Leverkusen. We know that the difference in quality between the two teams is very different and of course Leverkusen will continue to target another win in this match tomorrow. It seems that Werder Bremen will still have a minor trend this week, but if they can hold on to a draw like the previous few meetings with Leverkusen then at least they will still get one very important additional point. Well, what is certain is that this will be quite an interesting match, especially as there will be more than 2 goals scored.
There is no reason for Leverkusen to delay the opportunities that are before their eyes. Their potential for big wins will be maintained no matter what. Moreover Bayern Munich also has easy opponents so Leverkusen needs to take more aggressive action in this match.  Werder is at a disadvantage because their opponent is a club that has the ambition to steal the trophy this season. The competition at the top of the standings between Bayern Munich and Leverkusen is getting fiercer because the distance between each other points is not too far. If Werder gives Leverkusen resistance it will open up greater opportunities for Bayern Munich to take over.
Because for me Bayern  Munich with its complete players Kane is guaranteed to be able to score goals as usual he can always play his role on the field very well.
1773  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: November 24, 2023, 01:40:56 PM
And it is also unethical if they make gambling as a source of income, it is better to gamble reasonably not excessively or desperately to pursue a big win, after all, if like that instead of being successful, but instead will become miserable in the future.
Indeed, it can't be a primary source of income. Gambling can only be considered a supplementary income source, as it solely relies on luck. There's nothing more enjoyable than someone having fun with a gambling game and making money... isn't that a double delight? Yes, whoever wins at gambling is considered fortunate.

Building a career in the gambling industry is still possible, but not as a gambler... rather, as a bookmaker or casino employee. This appears more tangible and realistic, where many people lose due to gambling, and those who consistently profit are the casinos.

Luck that will only give big or small wins.  Someone who gets a big win that can even change his life (jackpot) in my opinion, is because of the strong luck that leads them,  if to succeed with the plan it seems impossible, because if they are unlucky then somehow they cannot cheat the gambling system that has been set up to make money for the bookie.

Maybe if it's like that it can still be successful by becoming part of the gambling industry,  but as a player it seems impossible to be successful, the chances of getting a big win are small let alone being successful.
So it is difficult to be successful if only to play a role as a player after all gambling is also established to make money not to make players successful,  I have seen when someone succeeds in getting a big win that can change his life at that time the gambling industry is also amazed at what the player has got, and they try as much as possible to attract the player's attention back to gambling again to withdraw the winnings he has got,  but the rice has become porridge The person who got the big winnings also withdrew all his winnings and started a new life with the winnings he had gotten..

Although gambling can make money, but it will not always happen like that, most likely they will lose more money than get money, because the bookie who has arranged everything also does not want to lose in gambling. And keep in mind, that the bookie as the host will always win in the game, even though there are people who are called experts in gambling in my opinion they cannot beat the system machine that has been set up and set to make money.
If they make a successful career in gambling, I think it will only waste their money quickly. There is no guarantee that they will succeed in gambling because it is impossible to succeed with gambling.  And it is also unethical if they make gambling as a source of income, it is better to gamble reasonably not excessively or desperately to pursue a big win, after all, if like that instead of being successful, but instead will become miserable in the future.
Losing more money in gambling is something that many gamblers have experienced and that is because they cannot control themselves well while gambling and also the greed that arises after they get their winnings. The bookie or casino will always win and get more money than the gamblers, so whether we like it or not, we have to accept it and always limit our money for gambling if we don't want to lose a lot and lose a lot of money too. An expert in gambling will not always be able to win from playing gambling because there will definitely be times when he will experience defeat so we must be aware that we can only use gambling as entertainment and nothing more. If we don't understand this, we will lose more money and won't be able to recover it. A career in gambling will not be easy because gambling is not a career like working in a company or an office so we will only experience losses and lose money rather than winning. Those who want to try it should be able to think about this and will not try it because they will not have a great opportunity to make money from gambling.

The self-control and greed that makes them lose a lot of money because of the pursuit of a very large winnings and that every gambler wants. Most of the gamblers who cannot accept their defeat then they become upset and in the end they will become addicted which makes them always want to play to turn things around, but it is very unfortunate that it is almost impossible to happen. Even if they spend all their money on gambling if luck is not on their side I don't think they can do much, just have to accept the defeat they get. As you said inevitably they have to accept the fact that they can't twist the facts that have already happened.
It is almost impossible to succeed in a career by gambling, after all, no one can beat the gambling system that has been set up to make money for the bookie. So in my opinion the chances of a career in gambling are very slim, because many will only get defeat not victory.
1774  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Has anyone been able to make steady income with gambling ? on: November 24, 2023, 12:33:36 PM
there is no way to earn a steady income with gambling. no matter how you diversify your game or how skilled you are, you won't be able to get a steady income with gambling because there are only two possibilities in gambling, winning or losing, and people's risk of losing is greater than winning. unless you have god-level luck, maybe you will be able to get a steady income with gambling, otherwise you won't.

Yes that's right, no one can get a steady income by gambling, because it is very unlikely to happen, regarding gambling that prioritizes luck, no matter how well they gamble with very good skills it will not guarantee them a steady income every time. Because gambling is just a game that pays with money and in return feels the thrill of the game.

It's true what you said unless they have god-level luck, maybe they will make a steady income by gambling, but I think the luck that gives them victory will also not always be in their favor, of course, they will definitely experience phases of loss and lose money, will not always get a profitable victory.
1775  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is this a good advice? on: November 24, 2023, 12:11:32 PM
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And that's what casinos want from their players, all casinos provide paid games of course to generate profits for their own casinos so they expect everyone to spend a lot of money in their casinos. Even if we get a win, there will definitely be a sense of wanting to get a bigger win and this is what the casino wants with people who continue gambling when they win so that they can take back the winnings obtained by the player, and this has indeed happened with many gamblers who are driven by greed to pursue bigger wins and in the end the casino gives the end with defeat to those who continue gambling.

Obviously they should be aware of the gambling that will spend a lot of time and mainly their money, because the losses will be a lot to get instead of the victory they will get easily.
Gamblers who have won definitely want to get bigger wins, so they want to continue gambling and chase their winnings. Unfortunately, the casino already knows the greed of the gamblers and provides a way for the greedy gamblers to try it, and apparently, luck is off the side of the greedy gamblers, and they end up taking all the winnings. That is the advantage that the casinos get. They don't need anything to get that profit and wait for the greedy gamblers to fall into the hole they dug because they were too eager for even bigger wins. Gamblers should be aware that what they are doing is wrong and not try to chase bigger wins, especially when they have already won a certain amount of money.

They must realize that they are lucky gamblers because not many gamblers can get lucky and win some money. Therefore, if one day we win a lot of money, we must immediately leave the casino and withdraw the money so we can enjoy the winnings. We must not be greedy gamblers who only want to chase another big win that will not be easy to get.

This happens because the greed that has overcome them so that it encourages them to return to pursue bigger wins. When they get a big win, not all gamblers can get it easily, even if they try as hard as possible if the luck is not on them, they will not get the big win, even if they continue gambling after getting a big win, they might lose the winnings they have got again, but if you say that, they are among the lucky ones because they continue the game after getting the win.
Because people who gamble when they continue their game when they get their winnings tend to get defeated, but if they get back the winnings it is very lucky.

Yes as much as possible they have to withdraw the winnings they get, and consider it if they really want to continue the game to pursue a bigger win, And keep in mind luck is not on their side all the time.
1776  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Minimum Age to gamble on: November 23, 2023, 08:50:49 PM
The kid also lay the gambling game using their parents account in their parents mobile.But the gambler should ready to accept the loss in the gambling site,So the gambler with age above to the adult had the capacity to accept the loss from the gambling site.The kids may miss use their parents card using their card details saved to the gambling site by used by  the gambler parents.So the card miss use was common one in the gambling.
I have seen many instances where kids gamble with parents account and even make deposit with parents cards. I think this is failure on the part of the parents. Why will you allow kids access to things they are not matured for? I understand some parents pet their kids so much that they grant practically every request made by the kids. In my opinion, it is not a good thing to do as parent; it is not a way of showing love because it will end up messing up the psyche of the kids rather than helping them.

It seems that such cases have occurred very much in several countries and yes, I also will not blame the child because I think everything returns to their parents who are negligent or unable to limit / supervise the activities of their children. In addition, now gambling promotions, especially those based online, are very easy to find, now small children who are still in their teens are very adept at operating cellphones and even their parents facilitate their children, and with that it is obviously very easy for children to find online gambling promotions that can make them curious and get involved there,

I don't think it's a problem if parents always allow their children in anything but I hope they parents should see and consider first from various sides, if indeed what their children do or the facilities provided by them can or are likely to make their children involved in the gambling network then obviously don't do it, and also on the other hand parents must always limit what activities their children do in their daily lives.
1777  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: November 23, 2023, 07:19:58 PM
The family or even a close friend can help them get away from their addiction once they admit it and become ready to accept the challenge. If you are addicted to gambling but aren't allowing anyone to get you out of it, you will barely be able to do it yourself because the urge won't let you.

most families can't do anything. Advising is useless if he still handles the finances himself. If someone want to find a solution when any advice and threaphy doesn't works, the only thing is not to save his own money. It may be difficult, but entrusting money to someone who can trust can help overcome gambling addiction problems. For example, if the gambler trusts his wife, then he can entrust all his money to her. As long as there is clear accounting of expenses, everything should be controlled. Or by the parents, because the role of parents in saving their children's money is also very good, especially mothers. assuming, his wife and parents are not gambling addicts either.

Honestly I would not say that the role of the family would be useless in the matter of helping the person to solve his addiction problem, but usually the gambler will be more respectful of some advice from a person who is quite important in his life such as one of his family or his partner, but on the other hand if indeed the role of some of the closest people has no effect on them honestly I make sure it seems that they are already at a very severe level of addiction that will not be cured if only by throwing a few suggestions. Gambling is never done if there is no money allocated and your suggestion is quite reasonable in this case, it is true that if the family cannot help them with some suggestions then I think one of the parents or family members should take over their finances, do not let them have money in their pocket because obviously gambling is the main thing they will choose with that money.

This should be quite effective, and I think the person in control of the finances should be able to limit if they want to give money to people with addiction problems, give only a little and only for purposes that are reasonable enough to believe.
1778  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Greed or risk on: November 23, 2023, 06:41:57 PM

Gamblers, by their nature, engage in risk-taking behavior. They enter a world of uncertainty, hoping to reap the rewards of a gainful gamble. the irony lies in their reluctance of accepting loss, which is an inherent part of gambling. The key to a more balanced and enjoyable gambling experience lies in striking a harmonious balance between the excitement of the game and the potential outcomes. This entails making informed decisions, setting clear limits, and approaching gambling not as a guaranteed path to riches but rather as a source of entertainment.

Gambling should be about self-awareness and deriving pleasure from the experience, not solely about the financial gains. By acknowledging the inherent risks involved, exercising self-control, and viewing gambling as a form of leisure rather than a means to an end, people can transform their gambling experience into a more enriching and fulfilling one. it's about finding that sweet spot where the thrill of the game coexists with a healthy acceptance of the possible outcomes.
At first, every gambler starts to play for fun or just because he likes the process of playing. But all gambling is built on human psychology. Therefore, very often a person becomes addicted to gambling. After that there is greed and a person seeks to get the winnings and not just play for fun.

Gamblers who realize that gambling is nothing more than a lucky activity then they will gamble with the intention of seeking entertainment or fun only, I agree to that statement but on the other hand it is always undeniable and not always possible that you will always be able to apply such a mindset, as you said that gambling is very much tied to human psychology, I think there will always be some points that can make you quite upset, and after that your psychology will start to be disturbed, even though you come with a healthy mindset, it doesn't mean that you don't have the potential to have desires like gambling addicts.

Winning and losing is the final answer that is certain but usually will lose more often than winning because your losses are profits for the casino, if you continue to play and without any restrictions even though your goal is for entertainment but on the other hand believe me that it is very likely that you will start to enter the addiction phase without you realizing it. After that, it's not about fun but you gamble with the intention of recovering losses. Therefore, there is nothing better than not touching gambling at all, or stopping before it's too late.
1779  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you gamble because you don't have sufficient money? on: November 23, 2023, 06:18:13 PM
It seems so, I think lately most of them come to gambling with the intention of wanting to earn and not to gamble properly or the intention is to find entertainment when they feel bored. Basically there are many factors that can encourage them to enter or get involved in this gambling, it could be because of the very low economic factors that make them finally look for shortcuts to get money instantly, especially if they see some people around them who managed to win a big jackpot and it is very tempting their eyes.

Without looking for other information about what can happen in gambling, especially the risk of losing, it is because maybe their conditions are very pressed in terms of the economy and needs that cannot be fulfilled if they only rely on their main job with very low wages. So the point is that many people come with different goals and different causes. Honestly, I hope that they can consider first before deciding or acting, if they see something that seems tempting then I think they should look from various sides about the negative things that can have an impact, not just look at the positive side because there are also many people who are trapped in addiction because they only see from one side.
1780  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When does the moment come when the gambler loses control? on: November 23, 2023, 05:18:33 PM
He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

Revenge gambling can be dangerous most at times because when you gamble and you notice that you don't win and have lost huge amount maybe one finds himself into lose he has no option that to keep trying at this point of trying, he even endangering himself the more because he wanna recover some money. Here is where to know a responsible gambler because he don't quite at that point he noticed shortage of funds or out of funds he doesn't need to prove himself to at least streak a winning.

Not only is it dangerous but if you gamble with the intention of revenge it is the same as you digging a hole to bury yourself, do you want to beat the house? what is the strong reason you do that? while on the other hand everything that goes on in gambling is regulated by the casino itself, if you want to go against the provisions that have been designed by the casino then it is the same as you want to commit suicide or deepen your slump. I understand you are very upset with the results that are always not in accordance with what you want, but on the other hand do you not realize that this is gambling?

Therefore correct your mindset, I think it is a natural downturn that you experience because you come with intentions and goals that should not be, you come to make money while gambling is intended to seek pleasure or entertainment, why? because this is a business for casinos and the name of the business means there is a profit that the casino is after, simply put is if you lose then it is a profit for the casino and the casino always wants the gamblers to lose. Therefore it is obvious that the more you gamble, the more losses you will get, in fact the occasional win you get is just to make you addicted, that's how smart casinos are.
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