But on the other hand to be honest I personally quite agree with the idea that the attraction to engage in gambling activities usually likes to come when we are in a boring situation, I have experienced something like that even though basically as you said that there are still other possibilities, yes I agree because there is something out of control that always cannot be predicted regarding several possibilities.

But I think having a lot of busyness is one of the effective ways to avoid addiction, because as we know that the desire to gamble always comes from our minds so that when we have free time, our brains and minds will look for some activities that are quite interesting and one of them allows gambling to be an activity to fill time when the situation is like that. Although you think this method cannot fully minimize unwanted things such as addiction, for me this is one of the most effective ways because honestly I was able to recover from gambling addiction by adding several other activities in my life which certainly made my mind distracted from the attraction to gambling and slowly out of the addiction zone.

Of course, I think this is more of a question that is looking for a more factual statement. I think gambling would really be a problem in a relationship if you are using the budget for the benefit of both of you, like for example you use money for wedding expenses and then you use the money for your gambling habit then obviously it would be a problem in your relationship with your loved one.

The important point is of course as you said that all the problems started from them putting an amount of budget that they could not afford, if only they initially understood about the risks involved in gambling I think they would not be desperate to put money that they could not afford which certainly has the potential for problems. I think you have mentioned a list that is quite appropriate to the facts and possibilities that can occur. Therefore, understanding the risks in any case must be prioritized, do not take it all lightly.

Honestly for the issue of whether they have been cheated or not by the casino I think it is beyond our control and on the other hand for me personally honestly I have never found or even just heard about some casinos that cheat gamblers which certainly makes it difficult for them to be able to win so I think if there is indeed one of them who has difficulty getting a win then I would call that they are very far from luck, I just think it's as simple as that for this issue.

Yes, the inability to accept reality is the main problem that ultimately makes them act out of control usually, which is why we should prioritize understanding the field especially at the beginning of our involvement, I think it's very common that gambling is always about winning and losing. With the right level of understanding especially regarding the possible risks then I think it is less likely for them to make unreal claims of winning, they will be more aware that there is no point in doing so, after all I think winning in gambling is not something that should be bragged about because after all it is natural to lose even if it happens often, you have to go back to the initial understanding that this activity is only about winning and losing.

Absolutely not, in my opinion there is no addiction that is against the law because it is not harming the country but harming ourselves, one of the reasons why countries do not legalize gambling for their people because what they focus on is the dangers of addiction which of course can make people experience many problems in their lives. Anything can happen if you  have entered the addiction phase, things out of control are very possible when your common sense has begun to not work due to the addiction you suffer. On the other hand, it will not only result in the destruction of family relationships but will also harm others when you think of committing crimes such as theft or robbery.

That's right, I think the right understanding is something that every gambler especially those  who just want to get involved, no matter where you gamble because of course the name of the bet always has a level of risk that is usually much higher than the chances of winning. So with that I hope you always listen to some advice from others, especially as you said from those who are experienced, don't close yourself because there will always be regrets when you understand it too late.

Therefore, it is quite difficult to overcome the problem of addiction, especially if it is at a high level, which means that there are no precautions and restrictions on what they do in their gambling involvement, I have also often said in previous posts that those who are already addicted will be able to stop or at least reach a realization when they have experienced the worst thing they feel as a result of their gambling activities that have gone too far in the sense that it is too excessive as you said whether it is losing a very large amount of money or mental damage or also the destruction of the family, of course things that are likely to traumatize them then I believe they will be able to realize and really have the intention to change.

Exactly and of course your idea is correct that gambling is not a place to earn, it is nothing more than a place of entertainment to fill the empty time when you are bored during work holidays, but strangely they always override this fact by saying various reasons that refer to gambling as a place to earn, such as exchanging the pleasure of the thrill you get for a sum of money that you are able to account for. You really have to have a logical point of view and understanding if you don't want to end up like the suffering people who are already addicted.

I will never get tired of saying and suggesting that you should never get your hopes up, especially not with excessive levels of victory, something that you see as tempting is basically nothing more than a temptation that will trap you to be carried away further. You need to be strict in applying some self-control and boundaries as well as being fully aware when the session is already underway, because sometimes even though you have prepared in advance it is always inevitable that you will forget all your precautions when something that looks tempting you find there so you try to take advantage of the situation and end up regretting that it turned out to be a trap.

Awareness and understanding of the possible risks plays a very important role in safety because it prevents you from taking some out-of-control actions that can certainly make you disappointed at the end of the session such as greed for something much bigger.

Yes that makes sense buddy, to be honest I really don't think that the purpose of the city to make more than one casino so that they can increase the number of games that can provide new interest to every gambler who comes, because the logic is of course as you say that with just one casino they  can actually provide as many games as possible, after all, from several casinos that I have visited they already have thousands or even tens of thousands of games while usually gamblers will only enter a few favorite games, and simply I don't think it's possible for them to feel a lack of games with the many games that have been provided from just one casino.

So in my opinion, what makes more sense is the purpose of the bookie to make more casinos, which is obviously one of them that looks striking is that they want  to reach more audiences which of course can increase their income, no more than ordinary business when we have many branches then obviously our profits will also multiply at the same time. The other thing of course is that it makes sense that if a lot of gamblers get a win then indirectly the casino's income will decrease or even go bankrupt, but I think it is unlikely that the casino  will go bankrupt if there are a lot of visitors who come because after all all their algorithm system is regulating  and that is why there are still more losers than winners because the system makes the percentage of winning much smaller than the chances of winning..

Of course, I think you are not the only one who is so surprised by the speed of change experienced by Leverkusen that you say that this difference is like night and day if we compare them now and last season, I agree with that  idea because clearly I think it is the same There was absolutely no previous indication shown by Leverkusen at the end of last season about changes this season.

Truly unexpectedly, Leverkusen management was not wrong in choosing a new coach to replace Gerardo Seoane, since the arrival of Their competitors are top  class teams and are always favored by most people. On the other hand, to be honest, I just hope they can maintain their  consistency until the end of the season because it will definitely be very interesting when we see a new, very strong team involved in hot competition to break Bayern Munich's dominance.

The problem is that awareness will not be easy to achieve when basically in their little hearts they still hope for a victory, maybe you also know that in every session there will always be things that look like tempting when it is nothing but a trap to keep them there, and if basically they still have hope then it is obviously very difficult to think realistically to encourage awareness even though they already know that losing situations always occur at the end of the session or that means disappointing results always dominate.

It is obvious that all gamblers will say "this time I will definitely be able to be one of the lucky ones among the 10 playing on the table" but the fact that happens at the end of the session always slaps them, and I say it is a cycle because of course the next time they will also motivate themselves by putting new confidence in the next session, as I said above that the problem is that they are too excessive in hope and come with the wrong understanding. Exactly, for the situation of people who are already addicted they will recover from dozens of defeats when they manage to get one victory, when in reality the number is not balanced and the number of losses is still far greater. So it is right to say that this is a cycle that will continue to repeat itself based on excessive expectations that of course make them always curious.

Right, and the point is that whatever impact you will experience someday will always depend on how you treat the activity, if indeed you do it in the wrong way and approach then obviously don't be strange if someday you will experience bad impacts as a result, but sometimes it's like there are people who don't realize their mistakes and don't evaluate that the way they do it is really not recommended so they have to experience bad impacts like that. So of course everything really depends on how they treat and address gambling itself, if indeed they come with the right understanding and also with a good level of awareness then I think actually this activity will not really affect the finances in your relationship later, but however overall obviously I would prefer anyone to stop if possible.

Basically the risk of gambling is not only going to have a financial impact but obviously you also agree that this activity has an impact on a relationship which can certainly make them lose trust with their partner, because after all gambling activities are always synonymous with a very negative point of view in the eyes of society, so of course there is nothing better than stopping, there is no other reason because they can do it slowly.

Our goal, especially those in this forum, is nothing more than to remind each other and be able to get a lot of valuable knowledge from the events that have been experienced by others which also certainly has the potential to change ourselves for the better, especially in terms of gambling activities that are very vulnerable to being done excessively, especially by those newbies who have just been involved who of course usually come without the right understanding. Reckless actions or approaches are usually done by beginners due to ignorance of the dangers that are lurking, so of course I am happy to be here at least to share and look for some good references from other people's experiences.

So anyway we should be able to prevent some of the potential bad things like you mentioned from happening to us by always applying the right understanding and the right perspective on gambling, because only then can we encourage awareness to stay in our minds when we are in a gambling session which can certainly prevent some out of control things from happening. On the other hand, this forum is very helpful for me because I as I said above that we can exchange ideas with others and learn from other people's experiences so that the bad things they experience do not happen to us, isn't that beneficial?

Of course, such people do not take into consideration from various sides from the start, I think they are too focused on their lusts so desperate to carry out a marriage that is not based on careful preparation in any case, especially financially.

Honestly, I see that it is not uncommon for some young people to get married at an age that is too early and below the average in general, seeing from that alone we can actually see and judge that in terms of personal and mental readiness, it is actually still not qualified for people who are still around 20 years old because their mindset is still fairly immature, And also clearly in terms of finance if they are born from ordinary people (not one of the rich families) then I think it is unlikely for them to have enough finances to support their small family later, so it is not uncommon and even very often some couples who end up failing or divorcing at the age of marriage that is not too long due to finances that do not meet all needs. Love is important for a strong bond but money is equally important for a decent life.

Yes, your statement is very possible and makes sense to be used as a reason why there are some gamblers who blame others for their gambling involvement, losing is one of the factors that makes them feel frustrated and upset, of course something out of control is very likely to be done when gamblers are in such situations, one of which is of course blaming others is one of the things that can happen.

Yes in gambling it should be the risk that should be more understood than the chances of winning, because after all if we are lucky then we will also be able to get the same winnings as others get, but unfortunately they don't think about this, in my opinion it's because they are too ambitious for a win, like you said that they think they will be able to get the number of wins like others they see, when in fact such results will not always happen for you. So basically I think it's the misunderstanding of the concept of gambling and how luck works that's at the heart of the problem if you're involved in a purely luck type of gambling. I think that's good advice, if you or they are more focused on winning then it's better to be involved in sports betting only because the percentage of losses will not be too high and you can get closer to winning if you have good enough skills.

Honestly, I've never thought about the reasons why they make claims that don't match reality, but it seems like something drives them to do things like that, whether it's to brag to others including some of their friends that they are able to excel in terms of luck compared to others or other reasons. But yes that's true, on the other hand not all gamblers are like that, for those who gamble just for fun I don't think they will do silly things like this just for the sake of wanting to look luckier than others.

Yes more or less this scenario may be the same as what the stremers do in some of their social media content, they show a situation that looks very tantalizing with seemingly unlimited wins, to be honest I just laugh when I find some stremers who show things like that on social media because I already know that all of that is just nonsense which means deception for ordinary people with the aim of luring more audiences to join the site they are promoting. After all, it's not ethical to be able to get such good luck if they are basically nothing more than ordinary gamblers, meaning they don't gamble like us but they are one of the casino partners whose role is to promote so that behind the scenes the casino organizes all the spins to run well to attract ordinary people.

I think it depends on how much they allocate to the bet, if it's a small amount or even just 1% which is not too valuable to them then I think they won't worry  too much about losing. From what you've said, I think I've come to the conclusion that you're referring to gamblers who can't take responsibility for the outcome of their bets, so they feel anxious and instead of watching the game with a sense of excitement, they focus on the final result, whether  they win or lose.

About whether they will be able to learn from their past mistakes I think that is still a possibility, the fact is that not a few are still doing the same thing that ends up getting  stuck in the same hole as you said that sometimes they still make the same mistakes. Not being able to resist temptation is one of the initial causes in my opinion, so they return to the same beliefs and hopes which eventually regret as before again.

I think one of the reasons is because they have seen some wins even with large amounts that have been achieved by others or even some of their friends so of course that is a kind of motivation for them to get involved in gambling in the hope of getting the same fate or the same victory, it becomes a big push for those who get involved immediately so they forget some of the real facts about gambling which is only about luck. Very few of the newbies see anything behind the scenes, or for that matter what sacrifices people have made to get those wins, the fact that they have spent a lot of money just to get a few wins that are sometimes not balanced with what they have sacrificed.

Of course casinos will be very happy when they see a lot of newbies coming in just because of the misunderstanding of the winning opportunities that they think are easy to get, they are the next profit target for the casino or even with the long term. In fact, the impulse that comes out of expectation due to something that looks so tantalizing makes them forget all the bad possibilities that are very likely to happen.

If the winnings at gambling were not money then I think very few people would be addicted to it or even none.
But the fact is that casinos make money as the object of winnings or meaning winnings in the form of money which in fact all humans on earth need money, and when they get money from gambling intentionally or not then obviously they will think that it seems like a good place to earn, so of course as you said that it all starts with a cycle of winnings that are usually not too big for the initial stage which then they want such results to be repeated again with a larger amount of winnings.

The excitement and pleasure reaction resulting from earning almost makes them forget the real facts in gambling about probability that eventually some controls and limits over time are forgotten, but when they try it again it turns out that the results do not match the previous ones which means that in the next session they lose. The question is will they stop? No, curiosity and the inability to accept the harsh reality will play a role because they were able to get a win before. They will think that "the same old win will definitely be repeated", strangely they are so sure about it that they are unconsciously addicted and their money is eroded.

I think gambling will really benefit when people come with the right goals and point of view, so I think it's less likely for them to overdo it which can certainly cause them a lot of problems especially with their finances. Obviously if someone wants to enter a serious phase and commit with their partner to become a family then inevitably I think it's best that they stop, I understand it's difficult but maybe you can do it slowly starting with reducing gambling activities and the amount of budget allocated because of course there will be many needs that must be fulfilled.

Honestly I think that even if they have pretty good control and boundaries and also have fairly stable finances in my opinion there will always be concerns that are likely to occur. The worry is when you unconsciously enter the addiction phase which can eventually affect the finances of your family, so I still think stopping is better and you can do it slowly.

As time goes by I think we seem to be able to confirm that the current Leverkusen is not the  Leverkusen of the past, with the impressive performances they always show and also always ending in line with expectations, this can  indirectly convince me more that their performance this season is no joke, we can no longer say that they are a middle-class team like what happened last season, but now Xabi Alonso has changed everything significantly and in a very fast period of time, even a team like Bayern Munich, which has always been the favorite in the last decade, is having trouble overcome it or even to pursue it. On the other hand, it is clear that the difference between the two teams between Leverkusen and Bochum is certainly very large, but however it is true as you say, with Leverkusen's current position, they will certainly not  underestimate any team and will still show significant performance to prevent unexpected things.

None other than because  maintaining the difference in points in order to stay away from the pursuit of Bayern Munich is a top priority for Xabi Alonso. Honestly, personally this season is really very interesting, we will see how  hot the competition is towards the end of the season in these two teams if Leverkusen is able to maintain its consistency.

And all gamblers and especially beginners who are just getting involved should understand the basic concept that gambling is always about winning and losing, however they must be able to accept the risk of losing and not just always look forward to winning. There is a point, there is no point in observing what other people do, because after all in gambling everyone has their own responsibility about whatever they will experience, or the point is that it doesn't matter if they overreact or whatever because they will feel the impact of good or bad as a result of the wrong approach.

That kind of care is good especially if you can give them a little advice that their approach is wrong and dangerous, but maybe it won't always work because everyone has their own belief in their approach, it's quite difficult and one of the reasons why addicted gamblers are difficult to recover if they only rely on some advice. Another thing is of course as you said, if they have a personality that is difficult to control or easily provoked then it is better not to touch gambling, but doesn't that require awareness? Of course, and it is quite rare for them to be able to achieve awareness to just consider and choose the best. What is right is that I think everyone can gamble and get involved but not everyone can control their true character.