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1381  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling should be play with care on: December 26, 2023, 06:26:47 PM

That's true, we have to define the kind or category of gambler in which we belong to from here, wre we gambling all because we needed a job or something that will be a source of income to us and we are tired of being lonely or we are just satisfied with the way gambling is and wanted to be a partakers in having fun in not minding what it might cost is as long as we are getting being entertained through gambling, anyway we appear in gambling, we should be careful and make sure that we have budget for everything we do because this is our own best of plan to achieve all we could wanted to see while gambling.

On the other hand, it doesn't make sense if we bring the goal of earning to gambling, because obviously in terms of risk I think we can already conclude that with a very large level of risk it will be impossible for anyone to be able to make gambling a place to earn or even make it the main job to finance all the needs of life. I think regardless of the situation even though you may be quite urgent because you need money but do not have a main job in my opinion it is really not recommended to use gambling as a place to earn, although basically there are always people who have that kind of mindset by choosing gambling to earn when the situation is urgent.

Of course, after all it is gambling as you said, where the end result is always about winning and losing, while winning always depends on how lucky you are at the time. So if you really want to earn then it's better to find a job that is certain, or in the sense that it has a guarantee of income, whether it's trading or engaging in general work in some company.

Yes, it is like that when we are playing, what we must be careful with is losing a lot of money because that is when all the problems begin and things can be done that we did not expect to do, such as trying to recover the lost money through depositing more money and to be able to have it back, that is a mistake that almost all of us make when we are playing in a casino, for that reason we always have to do things very carefully, no matter how much we get excited about money we always have to be very careful so as not to be doing things that we will later Regret.

There is no worse thing than running out of money and leaving everything up in the air and having someone go to solve it for us, that is what we should never allow, because when something like this happens it is very similar to falling into an addiction because the response is invalid. or the degree of responsibility there is, is lost as you go to play and Continue in that cycle.

We will be able to realize that there are much bigger risks there when we understand what gambling is as a whole and how it works in terms of generating wins. What is feared is as you said, instead of getting income what happens is losing money slowly, and "slowly" is what not many gamblers realize who come with the wrong mindset, maybe you understand what is meant "little by little over time it will become a hill" that is the scenario carried out by the casino to take advantage of the gamblers' losses. Of course, the inability to accept defeat will be the starting point for real problems to begin, chasing defeat to reach the break-even point is an action that is not unusual for them to do. In fact, it is difficult to be firm in applying prudence if the motivation for the hope of victory is greater than the precautionary measures, which of course usually means regret stems from such situations.

Therefore, instead of letting everything go to waste,  especially letting money just disappear, I think looking for encouragement for awareness is very important,  learning from the experiences of other people who are addicted and mired in many problems can be done to increase awareness. After that I think you will be able to think realistically and look for another job that is more profitable.
1382  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Lack of proper knowledge on casino games increases chance of loss and reduce fun on: December 26, 2023, 05:50:40 PM
It's true that when one lack knowledge about gambling and feels like he could just engage gambling like that, then he may ended having losses and that alone nay cause him to being depressed and unhappy because he never know and understand the risk in gambling yet, the way such is seing gambling is different from how it appears in reality, this is to encourage us that we need to embrace learning before going ahead in doing anything we so wish to have done in gambling.

What the OP is referring to is a person's ignorance of how one of the games like Roulette works which can actually make the possibility of losing greater or closer to reality, and not about not understanding the risks involved in gambling as a whole, because what I caught from the statement is more referring to not knowing how to play, so for the problem of the risks involved in gambling I think the OP has understood that from the beginning, but he was too desperate to try something he had never tried which of course did not know what he should do for the initial stage of playing.

Obviously I admit that it can get  you closer to losing, whereas some people who already know how it works they will know what to do in the early stages to run the game and get some fun thrills. The other thing is that it's true as you say that it's better to learn about it before getting involved and regretting it like the OP here did, and he has given pretty good advice by telling us to practice on the demo accounts that are provided, at least to understand how the game works along with some of the features that are there.
1383  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: December 26, 2023, 05:26:07 PM

So the bottom line is that I would just say that control and some boundaries would usually be able to be exercised by people who come without any expectation of winning, or the intention is not too serious and just for entertainment.

Of course yes, because people who come to gambling places see it as a form of seeking additional income, they will behave badly or be greedy in carrying it out because the aim is to get money, whereas if people come to the casino they see it and consider it as a form of entertainment activity for them when If he's bored, then most likely he won't feel too much risk there, because he only plays as needed and can limit the time and money he can bet there, and he will get happiness of course.

So this is the difference between the goals brought by the two gamblers who want something different, and also of course from here we can actually conclude a little about what impact will be experienced by them. For people who come just to fill their free time when for example they are off work then I think they will not bring too big expectations on a win, why not too big? because the fact is that everyone needs / wants money and that means if they get a win from the session they do even though the purpose is only for entertainment then it is possible if they cash it in and consider that it is a gift from the casino for their involvement and not a win which can certainly change their mindset and goals.

As for some people who come because they are interested in winning or to get a win, then the first point we can conclude is that they will not easily stop gambling, no matter whether the situation is winning or losing it cannot be used as a reference, because basically they come to win, so when they win they will be addicted and when they lose they are unable to accept reality and try to break even. From that we can already conclude about the impact that gamblers will experience from both different goals.
1384  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What I've learned so far as a gambler on: December 26, 2023, 05:05:01 PM
Yeah, we're even tired of telling the other gamblers to stop being greedy and when they need to stop, just stop completely so that they'll not wasting their money.

But that's how it is going for most of us, even if we're seeing people don't obliged with our advises, we're continuing to give them the advise that they need to hear so at least they've heard or read us give that tip of care to them.

To be honest, I also feel that boredom, which means when the people we advise really don't follow what we have suggested. I have one friend who is also quite active in online-based gambling such as slot machines, in a week he can be involved up to several times, more or less maybe 5 times a week, he is one of my close friends who often spends time together and I am very tired of telling him that don't put greed and it's better to cash out when the situation is in his favor or he means he managed to get a win. But he always says "just a little bit more", he sets a winning amount, like $200 and when his winnings are still below that amount then he won't stop. A few minutes later I'd ask him again "has it reached that amount" and he'd say "it's all gone again" and I'd honestly just laugh at him. It happens a lot, and so the point is sometimes even though we have given advice quite often it always cannot be denied that the advice we give will be completely useful, greed really makes them like closing their ears and not listening to some of the advice that comes in even from the closest people.
Same story from most gamblers.

We will never get that profit if we're not contented in the first place. Whether it is a hundred dollar profit or less than that if the gambler doesn't see its worth by that time, they won't withdraw it.

That's the danger if we put too much hope in winning, especially if we set the number of wins or target the number of wins as my friend who I mentioned above did, the main problem in my opinion is placing too much hope in winning and thinking too much about it. all of that is easy when you are in a winning situation, which of course makes you think "there's no harm in pursuing a little more" which of course ends up regretting remaining at the end of the session.

With a low level of hope and not being too excessive in responding to winning in gambling, I think this can make them slightly reduce their sense of satisfaction with winning, or meaning that it doesn't matter how much they win, which might make them consider the best option to take, such as cashing out. earlier.

Yes that's true, but sometimes there are always people who think that the greed that they apply at that time will be able to make them smile broadly at the end of the session in the sense of reaching the amount of victory they want, simply put is that they assume that "this time I will not be one of the people who are adversely affected by greed", that belief is always the initial problem. I think the main problem is in the expectations they put, if indeed they put excessive expectations on gambling then obviously something that we always consider dangerous maybe for them it doesn't hurt to try or even with a few tries, the cause is due to expectations that make their confidence even higher. But if we understand overall that greed can always be bad in any case then I think they will object to doing it and prefer to cash out early.
That's the difference of greed for them as per description. If it helps them to have that satisfaction at the end, that's good for them but for the majority, it doesn't really do any good.

But overall I think everyone especially those who think using common sense will agree with the idea that greed is synonymous with behavior that is not recommended, not least because most people already know about the adverse effects they will experience if only the action is done, especially related to gambling which basically always involves feelings, mental and psychological that can change at any time just because of the situation. So in conclusion most people will not agree that greed will always be able to make them end up with satisfaction, because in gambling it is very difficult to achieve such results.
1385  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you take time to read the terms and conditions of casinos before registering? on: December 26, 2023, 04:41:09 PM

Not only lazy, but also impatient. I believe not many bother reading rules, when they want to gamble here and now. Here is what I am talking about. Perfect example of laziness and being impatient. Spending few minutes before registration would have solved all of that users problems. And like Ive said, people refer to ToS or manual only when something bad has already happened.

Most of the gamblers will never read ToS, because they are at the casino to gamble, not to read. And a lot of them think, that if they were let to register, then all they do is correct and dont violate any rule.
Will it interest you to know that some gamblers does not even know what is called ToS and whatever they do not know about will not sound nice to them. This might sound strange but honestly not all online gamblers knows about terms of services. In the other way round, impatient is one other factor that makes gamblers not to read the terms of services. Gamblers will be thinking and strategizing on how to win matches and at same time they are expected to expend more energy in reading terms of services.

Not surprised at all the gamblers dont know what ToS is. We live in quickly developing world. In the world of click, swipe, scroll. Those who are slow and spend extra time on something, are considered by young generation as lame. You dont do things quick - you are strange and lame. In fact, current generation dont bother reading at all; we read less than 20-30 years ago. We are used to visual content than to text. If there were ToS in format of a video (btw it is a good hint for casinos), then people would be more familiar with casinos rules.

Exactly, the fact is that not everyone involved in online gambling is familiar with what is called ToS although it is very important for the first step of involvement in one of the casinos but on the other hand we cannot fully assume that everyone knows about the ToS provided by the casino. I'm more interested in your idea about the actual fact that most people have about reading being something that is very boring in the eyes of the public, I think the habit of laziness is one of the main causes why there are some gamblers who ignore the ToS even though it is important.

First of all it looks boring, and secondly even if they have spent time reading the ToS it doesn't mean they will immediately understand all the terms and conditions in the casino, and I think that is one of the things they don't think they need to do, difficulty understanding is also certainly a problem, and it's true that visual content can be a pretty good reference to be implemented by casinos, the attraction and curiosity related to the videos provided will play a role in the gambler's mind and not only that because visual content is easier to understand by most people, this is a good idea.
1386  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does casino streamers have influence in your gambling life? on: December 26, 2023, 04:16:28 PM

Of course, the stremer will not be too concerned about how the fate of the people they bring to get involved in the site they are promoting, the point is as you say that money is the main focus for most people, especially stremers, so if indeed one of the sites that want to promote is able to pay according to the agreement then obviously there is no problem for them to air some promotions needed by the casino according to the agreement. The stremers only think about how to get more audience because then they will get more commissions or fees from the casinos they promote.

Yes that's right, this is a business that will benefit both parties between the casino and the stremers who are given jobs in the agreement as partners, the problem of the adverse effects of gambling that is promoted is the business of the gamblers who are involved, the point is the goal of the stremers just want to increase the number of audiences involved in any way.


Both parties will be benefited if happens that they able to attract gamblers to use their platforms, whatever it is, and however it is, that they did to allure those gamblers to visit their platforms and play the game, deposit money means potential earnings for casino owners and also means that portions of that money will be used to pay streamers who stream their site and provide reviews and referrals to direct gamblers to play using their services.

That's right, as I said earlier that the main priority of stremers is how they can increase the number of viewers involved in one of the casino sites they promote, because everyone needs money including stremers, and also on the other hand they make money by exploring the digital world or making money from the internet to finance their every need. So the point is quite reasonable if they do everything just to get money and also include by ignoring the fate of the gamblers who have entered to get involved because of the airing of promotions that they do.

On the other hand, maybe the risk that can be experienced by stremers when their country does not legalize gambling for its people, it can be a problem because especially in my country it is not uncommon for some stremers or influencers to be arrested by the authorities due to the promotion of gambling that is not legalized, and that means that even though on the other hand this is a pretty good job for them because the money from the deal I think is quite large but there is a big risk too, and they must be more careful in doing the broadcast.

1387  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Beginner needs your advices in gambling. on: December 26, 2023, 03:32:19 PM
That's right, with that then obviously self-control and some limits become very important for all gamblers, when the situation wins then obviously a change in mindset will occur because the excitement of the previous victory makes them increasingly put high confidence in winning, the situation of losing is the same, which can make gamblers very upset and finally trapped in uncontrolled emotions and of course things out of control are very likely they do until the money is completely depleted. So firmness in self-control and boundaries is really needed when someone is involved in gambling, because only that will be able to help us.
Yes I agree with you, when someone have self control and be free from greed then such person can be able to manage any condition they finds themselves.
Gambling they said is very broad and has lots of principle but with the layman's understanding people out there may not follow it responsibly and could easily turned to addiction at the point of proven to have at least a single winning or curse of trying to increase their wager without knowing staying within their limits makes them maintain the risk of losing a very big amount of money.

Yes of course, I'm honestly saying that it's really based on the experience that I've had which is that initially I was also one of the very active gamblers and maybe even quite addicted because I have a feeling of emotion that is quite difficult to control when the situation is losing and also have a high curiosity when the situation is winning which causes me to put greed, on the other hand you will really feel unusual pressure when such a cycle occurs in the long run and that's why now I have started to slowly get out of gambling with the effective way that I have. I hope that whoever it is especially those here can change their bad habits in terms of approach to gambling from now on, not least because I don't want to see many people experiencing significant pressure in the long run as a result of excessive gambling, so to anyone I always share experiences like this, at least for their consideration.

On the other hand I would advise  this more to beginners, because usually those who can very easily fall  on the wrong path in terms of approach to gambling, just by getting a few wins is very likely to make them change their belief in gambling which means they will exaggerate.
1388  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you make gambling a profession - a full time job on: December 25, 2023, 05:22:41 PM
In the first place, I can't make gambling a full-time job, to be honest. Think before you win really big here; it will take a lot of money to make it happen if you are unlucky. It would be fine if you were sure that you would win every day.

As others have said in this section, the more a gambler plays for a long time and often at the casino, the higher the chances of the gambler becoming addicted. And this will be a big problem later, and it will be difficult to recover in this situation.

If you use common sense in dealing with gambling then obviously they will bring the idea as you said that it would absolutely not be careless to make gambling a profession or even a main job, none other than because the danger of risk will always lurk you, and also on the other hand after all gambling is not a place to earn, if you stick to such beliefs then obviously you will become one of the gamblers who are used by casinos to make profits, or that means casinos will drain your money slowly. We must understand that gambling is a business for casinos, they take a lot of profit from losing gamblers, and simply put the more gamblers who are wrong in responding to gambling by coming to earn for example then obviously they will fall into the trap that has been made by the casino. I think there is enough evidence that we can make an example that excessive usually ends tragically, especially experiencing a lot of financial problems and mental stress.

The problem is why anyone is not recommended to make gambling a place of income because everything there is random, so it minimizes the possibility for anyone to get consistent results and also which is a strong reason why you should make gambling a place of entertainment only with a note not to get involved there too often.
1389  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Which type of gambling have more gambling addicts ? on: December 25, 2023, 05:00:25 PM
Gambling itself is addictive, it takes a different level of abstainance to be able to not get to the point of addiction in gambling els almost every gamblers is addiction prone but then how well they manage the addiction is something that is of great concern because this will determine if they will be led to involving in unhealthy habits.

Every form of gambling have got good potential of addiction just that depending on the preference of the player the addiction potential increases a gambler who loves sport betting will tend to be addicted to sports betting and same applies to other gambling games too but sports betting has been one of the most common amongst most gamblers both the wealthy and the poor it's one comm form of gambling that thy all get involved probably because of how easy it is to play and that's why I think it has the highest addiction potential amongst gamblers.
Gambling is addictive, but responsible behaviour should be promoted, not demonised. Gambling, like all leisure, demands self-control and attentiveness. Knowing one's limits is crucial. Though sports betting is "easier" to enter into, does that mean addiction rates are higher? I argue that the player's mindset matters more than the game.

I think that responsible behavior is not only promoted but should be emphasized to everyone, and if someone still ignores it then I hope that there are some people or close friends who may also be responsible enough gamblers to encourage that person to apply firmness about the importance of responsibility in gambling, but sometimes it is still quite difficult to listen, especially if these people are quite stubborn and cannot listen to some good advice from others.

Yes of course and I also can't rule out the importance of boundaries when one is involved in gambling, because only that can make gamblers safer and not suffer significantly from an aggressive approach. On the other hand I think I would say sports betting is "easier" if you have pretty good skills in sports, and with that I wouldn't say that overall people will find it easy when engaging in this type of gambling, on the other hand for addiction issues I think as you said it is true that it all comes back to one's behavior or approach to their gambling involvement.
1390  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 25, 2023, 04:40:21 PM
No matter what anyone says, Bayer Leverkusen will have done a great job if they become champions this season. Whichever team can stop Bayern München's years-long domination in Germany is truly great.
I also hope that Bayer Leverkusen is able to emerge as champions this season, to stop Bayern München from fighting for the Bundesliga title this season, I am very confident in the task given by Xabi Alonso in acting as a reliable tactician this season, it is very clear that Xabi Alonso is capable bringing Bayer Leverkusen to the top of the Bundesliga standings, even though they are only four points adrift of Bayern München, at least Bayer Leverkusen is able to play consistently in every match and remain focused on winning the title this season so that it doesn't fall into the hands of Bayern München again.

On the other hand, with everything we see now, especially with all the things that Leverkusen have done and achieved, there is nothing wrong with assuming with a  little confidence that it is likely that Leverkusen have more chances than several other teams or even Dortmund to be able to break the dominance of Bayern Munich, which has always been able to secure the trophy at the end of the season.

Honestly, with the defense that  Leverkusen has about the consistency they can always maintain, then with that I can confirm the greatness of Xabi Alonso, yes now Leverkusen only has a difference of 4 points with Bayern Munich, I don't think it matters even though the difference is not too significant because obviously we have seen evidence from several matches they have passed that they can always dominate the match by winning three full points or at least sharing points. Next up for Leverkusen is Augsburg which I don't think is a particularly difficult game for them, I'm pretty sure of that.
1391  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling should be play with care on: December 25, 2023, 04:20:14 PM
People don't have statistics to play gamble and that is why some of the gambling enthusiasm do experience (shege in gambling... meaning much loses in a gambling) so it's good for gamblers to know a specific amount that should go out in their wallet weekly or monthly..
In gambling, there are two types of people one who plays just to spend some time and for fun and the 2nd one does gambling to make money. The first one is very because they spend money to have some fun they do not care about the loss or profit but the second one play every day to make money and they do not tolerate the loss as they do a high bit and when they lose they are very disturbed.  So for those people, I think the chart is necessary every day week, or month how much they need to spend on gambling how much loss they can afford, and how much profit they need to make the effort.  If they set these few things they will not fall in loss or loans and will get their profit easily.

That's true, we have to define the kind or category of gambler in which we belong to from here, wre we gambling all because we needed a job or something that will be a source of income to us and we are tired of being lonely or we are just satisfied with the way gambling is and wanted to be a partakers in having fun in not minding what it might cost is as long as we are getting being entertained through gambling, anyway we appear in gambling, we should be careful and make sure that we have budget for everything we do because this is our own best of plan to achieve all we could wanted to see while gambling.

On the other hand, it doesn't make sense if we bring the goal of earning to gambling, because obviously in terms of risk I think we can already conclude that with a very large level of risk it will be impossible for anyone to be able to make gambling a place to earn or even make it the main job to finance all the needs of life. I think regardless of the situation even though you may be quite urgent because you need money but do not have a main job in my opinion it is really not recommended to use gambling as a place to earn, although basically there are always people who have that kind of mindset by choosing gambling to earn when the situation is urgent.

Of course, after all it is gambling as you said, where the end result is always about winning and losing, while winning always depends on how lucky you are at the time. So if you really want to earn then it's better to find a job that is certain, or in the sense that it has a guarantee of income, whether it's trading or engaging in general work in some company.
1392  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Lack of proper knowledge on casino games increases chance of loss and reduce fun on: December 25, 2023, 04:02:50 PM
Before we actually dive into the world of gambling and carry out gambling, there are several things we must pay attention to first. First understand about gambling, about how the gambling system works and the purpose of gambling itself. Second, first understand the rules of gambling, the terms and conditions. and we need to understand this so that we don't make mistakes when gambling. third and last, first understand the type of gambling that we are going to play and don't let us play carelessly by choosing a type of gambling that we don't understand, because this can allow your money to be wasted in vain.

For the early stages of involvement or that is to say before someone gets involved in gambling, perhaps first and foremost I would recommend understanding all the consequences that exist in gambling, not only focusing on winning but on the other hand, the name is there is a chance of profit, surely behind it there will always be the possibility of equal or far greater risk. So risk acceptance is the main thing that all gamblers must understand and have, especially those who just want to get involved.

On the other hand you said some good points in terms of other preparations before people get involved, do some research first about what gambling really is, if they have found it then they can consider the purpose of their entry into gambling, because usually it is not uncommon or even many of them come to earn, and that is wrong and will harm themselves, gambling is not a place for anyone to make money but nothing more than an activity to fill spare time because the randomness of the system provided does not allow you to always be able to win. The rules of gambling and how the game works also need to be considered as you said and it is useful to minimize the occurrence of mistakes that should not be made. I see lately it is not uncommon to choose the wrong game, in the sense that they do not know how to play which ultimately makes their money run out very quickly.
1393  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Know when to ride and stop! on: December 25, 2023, 03:43:56 PM
But on the other hand it is also quite difficult to get such a winning streak, but yes it does not rule out the possibility that there may be some people who can get consecutive wins to then do or follow the method suggested by the OP by increasing the number of bets with the aim of getting much bigger results, but the problem is that everything is still quite difficult to predict even though at that time you were in a good situation by successfully getting a winning streak in the previous session.

This means that even though your confidence is quite high as a result of the previous winning streak, isn't it possible that in the next session when you double the amount of the bet the result loses? of course it is always possible because in gambling anyone can always not avoid the name of risk. The interesting thing is, the OP said that if indeed the next session loses then we should immediately stop or reduce the amount of the bet, I think that idea is too simple, don't we have emotions? so the point is I'm not sure that someone can control himself when he is in a situation like that, because usually emotions will take over when the situation is like that. Although there are some who succeed like the OP's experience but overall not everyone can defeat their emotions by choosing to stop immediately in such situations.
1394  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ever heard about financing a gambler? on: December 25, 2023, 03:25:41 PM

This has been diverted to the topic already. It's not the content of the topic since "financing a gambler?" means like a professional work, like a gambler has the skills but doesn't have the capital in gambling, and with that, he'll be looking for financers and they'll have an agreemnet on how they'll split up the profit in case the gambler wins, but if it goes otherwise, the gambler will have not liability, or whatsoever.
Actually, not really because if we meet a friend who asks us to finance his gambling and we can advise him to find a job so he can have money to finance his gambling. After having money from his job, he does not ask other people to finance his gambling and he is free to use his salary to gamble and to meet his living needs.

It would be better for him because he would not face the risk of returning his money to the money lender. And he also won't have problems with other people and can gamble using his own money. Hopefully, you can understand what it means.

The point is someone needs help in terms of financing his gambling activities, things that have arrangements between the person either a friend
or a relative who's asking for assistance, though still not a good idea even how good the gambler is.

Still at risk since the investment or the loan money will be used for gambling and there's no assurance that you can always win even how good
you are in terms of controlling yourself or managing your emotions and bankroll.

The outcome still unpredictable and if things didn't go well the money will disappear.

And if you are one of the people who are willing to finance it then I think you are a pretty careless person even though there are agreements and some promises that can be trusted especially in terms of refunds promised by the people you finance if you lose in the end. But on the other hand, if you understand all the possible risks or are able to account for everything at the end, then it's fine to experiment.

That's the thing, because there is absolutely no guarantee or certainty about the final outcome of winning and losing, the other thing is that I hope that anyone should know that the percentage of winning is much smaller than the possibility of much greater risk. You can see some examples of other people who have lost huge amounts of money due to being involved in gambling too often, and that's the reason why there are people who enter the addiction phase because they are too frequent and put too much hope in gambling. So maybe I will allow anyone to do that if it's just for experimenting and there is no seriousness to do it in the long run, because the risk is too great compared to the opportunity to earn.
1395  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: December 25, 2023, 03:01:41 PM

Playing too much and out of control is the main problem here, if these gamblers can control theirselves well enough not to play too much and out of control, they will not have to suffer all this troubles as they will not go bankrupt and want to involve in unhealthy practice as this so as to be able to continually fund their habit.

Looking at the other side, gambling is not hard but winning is and if these same person who they are trying to stop from gambling is lucky and wins a good amount you will see how interested others will be and want to be part of the win or probably have a good share of the money win, the main issues here is the gambler not been able to control their selves and playing too much which eventually turns out to becoming a problem to them and family at Large. If they can control theirselves well enough to know when to stop and all that I'm very sure they will be in less problems than they will be.

Yes, gambling is not difficult, but what is difficult is how someone controls their gambling when playing correctly and precisely, and this is where we can decide for ourselves and see who can do it. Yes, maybe only a few are able to do it. because in casinos the temptation to gamble is very big and risky and many people are tempted by winning, not losing and what consequences they will experience if they continue to behave like that. If the person was truly conscious, he would immediately stop and leave the place.

Perhaps the point is that everyone can gamble but not everyone can control themselves or even some people who have previously set boundaries do not always mean that they will be able to do so when the gambling session starts. The fact is that there are a lot of things that look tempting when we are in a gambling session, some are very obsessed and then make decisions that are basically very wrong such as greed, and there are also those who remain normal in dealing with something that looks tempting. I think it all really depends on the personality and what the purpose of coming to gambling is.

In my opinion it is divided into two, there are those who come with high hopes of earning and there are also those who are nothing more than just looking for entertainment, obviously these two characters will determine how their fate will be next, for those who come with the aim of earning then obviously I think they will definitely have difficulty in controlling themselves, too serious expectations of victory are one of the causes, so that defeat will make them emotional and take actions out of control such as chasing break-even, and victory is also almost the same, which for people like that they will never be able to feel enough of what they have got. So the bottom line is that I would just say that control and some boundaries would usually be able to be exercised by people who come without any expectation of winning, or the intention is not too serious and just for entertainment.
1396  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What I've learned so far as a gambler on: December 25, 2023, 02:42:12 PM
But unfortunately regret always comes at the end of the action when everything is already answered, and of course regret comes to confirm that the actions they took before were wrong, after all it is not uncommon or even very many people who advise and recommend to avoid acts of greed, especially in gambling activities, sometimes not only in this field, even in real life if we put greed then usually the final result is more disappointing, so that's why the importance of being grateful for whatever we have got. Greed is like you're negotiating with fate where basically fate has already said that that's the amount you should get in that session but because you're not grateful and instead put greed into it then fate will say something else, which is defeat. Let me know if the analogy isn't quite right. Cheesy
Yeah, we're even tired of telling the other gamblers to stop being greedy and when they need to stop, just stop completely so that they'll not wasting their money.

But that's how it is going for most of us, even if we're seeing people don't obliged with our advises, we're continuing to give them the advise that they need to hear so at least they've heard or read us give that tip of care to them.

To be honest, I also feel that boredom, which means when the people we advise really don't follow what we have suggested. I have one friend who is also quite active in online-based gambling such as slot machines, in a week he can be involved up to several times, more or less maybe 5 times a week, he is one of my close friends who often spends time together and I am very tired of telling him that don't put greed and it's better to cash out when the situation is in his favor or he means he managed to get a win. But he always says "just a little bit more", he sets a winning amount, like $200 and when his winnings are still below that amount then he won't stop. A few minutes later I'd ask him again "has it reached that amount" and he'd say "it's all gone again" and I'd honestly just laugh at him. It happens a lot, and so the point is sometimes even though we have given advice quite often it always cannot be denied that the advice we give will be completely useful, greed really makes them like closing their ears and not listening to some of the advice that comes in even from the closest people.

Yes although overall greed does not always result in something worse but still if the percentage of disappointment is more often due to greed then it is better for us to avoid it. True, regret will always be a painful thing, and of course as you said that we can make it a lesson so that we don't go back into the same hole for the umpteenth time. If they have fallen in the same hole several times then I guess I have to suspect their mental health. Tongue
Let us not give a number but let us say it this way that overall of it, the majority that are greedy doesn't end up good when they gamble.

Yes that's true, but sometimes there are always people who think that the greed that they apply at that time will be able to make them smile broadly at the end of the session in the sense of reaching the amount of victory they want, simply put is that they assume that "this time I will not be one of the people who are adversely affected by greed", that belief is always the initial problem. I think the main problem is in the expectations they put, if indeed they put excessive expectations on gambling then obviously something that we always consider dangerous maybe for them it doesn't hurt to try or even with a few tries, the cause is due to expectations that make their confidence even higher. But if we understand overall that greed can always be bad in any case then I think they will object to doing it and prefer to cash out early.
1397  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you take time to read the terms and conditions of casinos before registering? on: December 25, 2023, 02:22:51 PM

A decent gambling site should be transparent and fair, but we must still be watchful. While community strength is in numbers, personal effort is the first defence. A healthy and engaging gambling experience requires trust and caution in online venues.

This is true, we should know what we are doing, so in case we sign up to a gambling site to play, before we agree with their terms, everything that is written was already understood. Complaining in the end is useless because every casino might have a different rules, once you sign up, that simply means you agree to it.

Actually, for gamblers who doesn't really risk huge money, it's okay not to read the terms especially if they can just let go of their money in case their account will be ban and funds will be frozen. In the end, it's still up to our choice, and all the time it's important to be aware of the risk.

The main purpose of people come only to gamble and get a win or fun, although it is better to know what the rules and regulations are in the casino but on the other hand for most people it is very boring when the casino displays very long terms and conditions, and obviously the assumption of most people is that it is "boring", the fact is that such habits are difficult to break and most people will skip it. On the other hand I understand that all the statements provided by the casino are quite important to keep the gamblers engaged, it is nothing but information for the benefit of the gamblers in the end. So anyway I think it's better to read it even if it's just a little and take the important points.

The goal of the casino is just to make gamblers know about all the rules that are there so as to avoid some assumptions of fraud which of course can reduce the popularity of the casino as well when things that are not wanted by gamblers occur. Well true, more precisely maybe it all depends on our own personality, if indeed we are one of the responsible gamblers and understand about the concept of gambling, especially about the risks, then obviously there should not be some allegations of fraud or some other things that can corner the casino.
1398  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does casino streamers have influence in your gambling life? on: December 25, 2023, 02:02:22 PM
Majority of persons has kicked against the gambling steamers but I have come to an extend of thought that there is is always strategies to and means of businesses and products adverts which gambling is not exemptional as long it is an institute to generate money and yields incomes for the casinos owner.
So, attracting the audience to the particular casinos company is necessary to proffer the organisation with the goals of making profits by initiating the audience to embrace the casino.
So, i think they shouldn't be called all the sorts of uncalled-for names of deceivers as long their system of influencing the audience is not enforced a mandate.

They will do everything for the sake of money, I think getting your point about how streamers are trying to attract gamblers to use the site and earn from the commissions that being provided by casino owners, they don't care if what going to happen as long as they are being paid for the services that made for the business, it will be the gambler responsibilities to take care of their finances.

Business is business and same with what streamers intend to do, casino owners are willing to pay that amount to acquire more gamblers to use their services.

Of course, the stremer will not be too concerned about how the fate of the people they bring to get involved in the site they are promoting, the point is as you say that money is the main focus for most people, especially stremers, so if indeed one of the sites that want to promote is able to pay according to the agreement then obviously there is no problem for them to air some promotions needed by the casino according to the agreement. The stremers only think about how to get more audience because then they will get more commissions or fees from the casinos they promote.

Yes that's right, this is a business that will benefit both parties between the casino and the stremers who are given jobs in the agreement as partners, the problem of the adverse effects of gambling that is promoted is the business of the gamblers who are involved, the point is the goal of the stremers just want to increase the number of audiences involved in any way.
1399  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Beginner needs your advices in gambling. on: December 25, 2023, 01:42:50 PM

Don't you also think that Greed is one thing that makes people starts chasing after lose?
Although you are right about self-control but technically I can say is Greed because anyone who doesn't apply greed we can said to have self-control. Majority of 89 percent gamblers today falls into victim of that except for those who gamble's responsibly but those that channeled their source of living to gambling will always results to revenge gambling, that is chasing lose at loosing the entire bets we can also term it to be  anxiety due to the much pressure of constantly losing their projected budgets.

Usually the  victims of greed are those gamblers who have too much hope and also who can never  be grateful for whatever they have got, so the simple scenario is "if they win then they will be addicted and if they lose then they will be curious" all of that is the result of putting too much hope in something that has no certainty and guarantee..
Yes you are correct, constantly winning draw more closer to become addictions because as then bettor or gamer would think if they increased their wager they would get a higher probability to get huge time of winning so, they don't mind any amount they constantly use to gamble inasmuch as they will win big then they continues gambling before addiction takes over them. The thing as a gambler we should try our best to maintain some certain limits and remove Greed out of the game otherwise it will worsen the whole case and makes people looks irrelevant, no wonder people out the world treat gamblers as useless and hopeless people is because of how gamblers there presents the whole concepts to the general public .

So the conclusion with what I have said above is that actually winning or losing in gambling all of that can still be an indication for someone to enter the addiction phase, you have said that winning can make them double the money they bring with the aim of making the win bigger, it really can happen when gamblers manage to get a few wins in the last few sessions which of course can make them think of looking for a bigger number of wins.

That's right, with that then obviously self-control and some limits become very important for all gamblers, when the situation wins then obviously a change in mindset will occur because the excitement of the previous victory makes them increasingly put high confidence in winning, the situation of losing is the same, which can make gamblers very upset and finally trapped in uncontrolled emotions and of course things out of control are very likely they do until the money is completely depleted. So firmness in self-control and boundaries is really needed when someone is involved in gambling, because only that will be able to help us.
1400  Economy / Economics / Re: Retirement Age for Workers - Does this Make Sense? on: December 24, 2023, 07:28:31 PM
In my opinion, it all depends on each person. because people's pleasures are different in nature, for example someone who is 60 years old and he does not have a family or only lives alone, in my opinion, a person like this will prefer to continue working because of his situation who does not have a family and the friends who are in his workplace are his family so maybe I he will continue to work even though he is 60 years old.
And there are those who choose to retire at the age of 60, because they have a family and realize that their old age must be spent with their family because their pleasure is in their family, and their family is the most valuable treasure in life.
So everything has its own portion.
The percentage of people who work because they want to is very small, but most people work because of needs that must be met, and it is true, as you said, that each person has a different portion.
However, in my opinion, the retirement age cannot be set by someone else, even if we are workers in someone else's company, it all comes down to ourselves, even though every job, whether in the government or private sector, has its own age limit rules.
But what I mean is that our desire to work can be regulated by ourselves. For example, for those who want to retire early from work and enjoy life, they must prepare carefully before deciding on this, prepare savings or other things that can meet their needs in When he doesn't work later, it's easy in my opinion because we can do whatever we want as long as we are able to prepare in advance.

That makes sense, many of them work to meet their needs, sometimes there are also those who don't like their work but they still work and this may be due to factors related to their economic needs which must be met every day. However, in my opinion, it feels unethical if they have reached old age but are still working, they should just rest and spend time with their own family, because I am a person who always feels sorry, so if I were a boss and had an old employee, I would tell him to to just rest at home and spend a lot of time with their own family.

because in my opinion old age is no longer for working, but for enjoying periods of peace, life in old age should be enjoyed with things that make them happy, because there are people who don't like their work but still force themselves to work because of economic factors . but it is also up to them themselves to determine everything, as long as they think it is good then I will support it.
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