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1201  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Your gambling life could affect your relatives lifes. on: January 11, 2024, 01:50:19 PM

I've noticed that it's rare not to have in a family a person who acts in a strange manner. It could be as a result of childhood upbringing. Which may have affected the person psychologically. Home training changes people differently. Grown ups hardly find it difficult to change, once the person gets addicted it takes lots of effort to cure their problem gambling. Even after the problem has been solved the gambler would find himself undergoing similar gambling symptoms for a while until he's completely in control of his actions. Advising them helps, but not everyone loves to take one, especially when they didn't ask for it. As families we only need to have to closely observe the person and endeavor he's not gambling all the time. Explaining to them that gambling once a day is achievable can help the gambler would decide to try it out some day. Then he'd follow the routine of gambling once a day for a long time till it's now a part of him.

Yes, regarding the nature and behavior, it is true as you said that usually such behavior starts from the parents' mistakes in educating their children when they were young, simply put, if their parents educate them harshly or mean to treat them harshly since childhood, then usually when they grow up they have traits and behaviors not much different from what their parents taught them, But for this problem I really can't make it a benchmark for someone to then enter addiction when they grow up, because I think what makes more sense is the wrong environmental factors that can really make someone involved in gambling until they enter the addiction phase or other negative things.

The environment has a very big influence on a person's behavior and changes in any case, it can lead to positive or negative things and usually the environment when they are older is where all these situations and scenarios can start, on the other hand basically it is not an easy thing to get out of gambling or even the addiction zone, because there are so many temptations that are difficult to miss by them and as you said that although there are many suggestions that are so good but not everyone can accept them into consideration. Therefore, the conclusion is that the action to cure gambling addiction must come out of themselves, or that means it cannot be forced and will really be successful or likely if there is basically a firm intention and sincerity from someone who is already addicted to recover.

It cannot be forced out of them, but a person who notices his friend or relation behavior changed for the worse, can try different techniques to cure the person. The major issue is not being able to finding out of his addiction. Once that's unveiled the relative would be able to look into the trouble. When the gambler has decided to hide his addiction, healing will not be achieved, because you can't threat what you don't know about. Those who find it hard to change a person even after finding out that the person is into gambling addiction, hardly engage in conversations with the addict. The brain easily changes towards what a person thinks. As you said about the child's environment, he thinks like his environment. Hence, if the people around him discuss about gambling or practice it the child will someday begin to gamble. Same applies to the relevance of having conversation on other utilities that may interest the addict, given time he'll begin to think about the activity until his full concentration on gambling begins to reduce.

I think most likely the people closest to him will definitely realize that one of his relatives or friends has a problem with gambling because they have a relationship that can be said to be very close so it is possible for them to be able to know about what their closest person is experiencing, in my opinion one of the things that can be done and quite recommended is to always invite the person to do many other activities such as maybe playing, vacationing or other things such as taking care of the fields behind the house if they have a large land, But on the other hand it also depends on whether the people around him really know about the problems that the person is suffering or not, sometimes even though we have a very close relationship it cannot be denied that there is something we never know about what they are really experiencing, so if they absolutely cannot get information about the problems suffered by their friends then of course there will be no action they will take because they think that their friends are fine. Basically, gambling addiction will be easier to overcome when there is openness and recognition and along with the desire for change from the addicted person.
1202  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: January 10, 2024, 08:28:21 PM
I think quitting gambling activities can be a difficult thing and can also be an easy thing, it all depends, depending on how your intention and sincerity to quit, sometimes it is not uncommon for me to see people who talk about wanting to quit but in fact do not take any action and usually people like that only want to quit because they experience losses that they cannot account for and when their emotions are gone or sufficiently treated with other things then they will return to gambling with the same hopes and beliefs. So maybe I will only believe that they will really stop when they have intentions that are accompanied by serious actions, and on the other hand I understand that it is not that easy to stop, besides requiring strong determination and seriousness it must also be based on a high level of awareness, distracting views and activities by occupying time for other things, I think this method can help a little.
1203  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: January 10, 2024, 07:14:10 PM

Agree When a person becomes addicted to gambling, no matter how much he profits or how much he loses, he cannot stop gambling. So in this case, he will not be able to keep his profit, on the other hand, if he loses, he will not hesitate to gamble by borrowing money. And they are called successful gamblers who can make a lot of profit from gambling and enjoy the money of that profit. They can stop gambling in time and control themselves so successful gamblers can never become addicted to gambling.

All they want is to continue gambling indefinitely, there is an alternative that they can take to prevent them from losing by playing on a demo account, but on the other hand they don't want that because there is no seriousness in terms of the sensation they feel, on the other hand as we know that winning and losing is the final result that will occur at the end of the session, for people who still have good awareness and common sense maybe they will prefer to cash out when the situation is really getting a win, But for someone who has entered the second phase of addiction, the results at the end of the session will be an indication for the next stage, what I mean is that if they win then they will be greedy because they want to get a much larger amount and vice versa if they lose they are usually unable to accept reality and finally gamble based on emotions with the aim of pursuing something that has been lost.

So in those two situations the addicted gambler will never feel good, always greedy and never satisfied, and it is a cycle that will continue to occur indefinitely as long as they are still gambling. On the other hand, it is true that successful gamblers are those who can control everything well, when winning prefer to cash out and enjoy and when losing do not act out of control, the point is they have good control.
1204  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Long-term profitable strategies on: January 10, 2024, 06:55:10 PM
I would say that it is a strategy that would be really useful for long term gains if you apply it to something else and not to gambling, no matter how confident you are in the strategy, if you think the strategy is really useful then can you at least provide some evidence that is really believable? However I think it will not be useful if you bring and apply it to gambling, trust and belief make a person too hallucinate so that the method once used is really confirmed that it is a powerful strategy for victory.

If you only manage to get 1 - 3 wins then I think I would not say that it is a strategy, but more likely is that at the same time luck comes, especially if you are involved in the type of gambling pure luck like slot machines for example, sometimes in sports betting alone the fact that skills can make victory closer it will not be completely useful, meaning that you will not really be able to get a win in the long run, if you don't believe please try it over a period of time, for example 1 to 5 months of trial and calculate the amount, I'm sure the loss is still much greater. So don't take it too seriously, after all this is gambling that runs randomly and has no certainty.
1205  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: January 10, 2024, 06:08:49 PM
Gambling with borrowed money will only make you experience more pressure, not only from the problem of losing but there is a new problem that spreads that when you lose then obviously the borrowed money will be lost and you will face new pressures and problems where you will be confused to pay it, makes sense right?  Therefore you must really understand that after all gambling is a game of probability that if you are lucky then you will get a prize in the form of victory, do not consider it as a victory but emphasize that the good results are nothing more than a prize that you get for your participation in gambling. So the first thing that must be addressed in my opinion is the right mindset and understanding of gambling, I think if you already understand everything, especially the level of risk that is much higher than the opportunity then I think you will not dare to make rash decisions such as borrowing money just to gamble.
1206  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does it looks responsible as woman telling husband you gamble? on: January 10, 2024, 05:45:48 PM
After I saw your list of precautions to minimize something unwanted happening, it seems like it doesn't matter if you don't tell your husband, because looking at the list you showed, all of that will really keep you safe and comfortable. and can make you a responsible gambler. But on the other hand, you must maintain the understanding that gambling is a high-risk activity, the percentage of wins is much smaller than losses, and every gambler will always find many things that look tempting there, so it is not uncommon in such conditions to change their mindset and beliefs. and ultimately makes them gamblers who expect to win.

Therefore, you must remain  firm in self-control, correct understanding and also maintain good awareness, and if at any time you feel that there is a change in your gambling approach, for example, such as starting to be a little excessive, then I think at that time you you have to tell your husband.
1207  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I could have won bigger. on: January 10, 2024, 05:26:01 PM


We can return the money if we win, but what if we lose? How can we return the money? We will have difficulty returning the money. Therefore, we should never borrow money to gamble because there is no guarantee that we can win from gambling. We could lose all the borrowed money, and it will be difficult to return the money. However, we must be able to restrain ourselves by not borrowing money from anyone to gamble because that will only give us problems. With the self-control that we have learned previously, we can restrain ourselves from that, and we should do other things that can provide benefits and make money from other things.

If gambling is not about winning and losing or if there is only a chance of winning and there is absolutely no possibility of risk occurring then obviously there is no problem if you want to borrow money to gamble, but obviously as you said about what if we lose? of course it will be very difficult to feel okay when you are in a situation like that, which is why it is always not recommended to gamble using borrowed money, you will get a lot of pressure and problems from the gambling you do and also from the money you borrow.

So obviously we should emphasize a proper understanding of gambling and also maintain awareness, I think with that you will not be rash in making every decision, you will be more able to consider everything with a precaution for the sake of financial balance.
1208  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is there any fun in losing while gambling on: January 10, 2024, 04:36:12 PM
Yes no one want to lost his earning money from gambling. Everyone has emotion and they play emotionally and they earn. No one will be happy when the face losses When they gambling. Everyone want to play safe and save their money and make profit. No one will be happy then they lost their hard work earnings. They always try to play seriously and make always try to safe their earnings because that their hard work earning.
Experiencing losing money in gambling is a risk that every gambler must face, but they also have other options if they don't want to experience losing money where they don't have to gamble and save their money for other things. It will be more useful for them because they will not lose their money and will not be triggered emotionally by losing their money. But if they only gamble with the money they can afford, they will not complain about losing their money because it is money they are ready to lose at any time from gambling. They also still save most of their hard-earned money because they understand that gambling games are just for fun and not for any other purpose. They also don't need to gamble too hard, especially if they use a lot of money because that can cause them to lose a lot.

Of course because in gambling there are only two end results if you don't win it means you lose at that time, and all the choices are in your own hands, like you said if they really don't want to experience the problem of losing a certain amount of money then obviously there is no other choice but not to gamble, but unfortunately most gamblers now they are too focused on a chance of winning, simply want to win but don't want to lose and isn't that a loser? Obviously, however, you can't do anything in gambling to increase the winning percentage to be closer or bigger, because it all depends on how lucky you are in running the session, what you have to pay attention and think about is how to prevent you from losing a large amount if you really want to engage in gambling and that means you have to have very good self-control and be firm in limiting the gambling you do.

So the point is that your choice  will determine your fate in the future, in any case and not only applies to gambling, you need to really find out what gambling is really about  before you finally get involved, if you already know  and are ready for all  the possibilities that will occur then please all decisions are in your hands as long as you have good responsibility.
1209  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think gambling every day is better? on: January 10, 2024, 03:48:34 PM
My question is do you think gambling every day is better? From his reasoning and points of narrations.
Gambling everyday is like an addiction because is only a gambling addict that believes that everyday is a new opportunity of wining, although in as much as gambling is a very risky and has a higher chance of losing there are also people who makes wining on a daily basis, so perhaps I wouldn't blame such gambler if they gambles everyday because they have a good wining records but however the only people I kick against in times of gambling everyday are people who always keep losing on a daily basis and still have the believe that everyday has a new opportunity.

Of course and with such an approach, indirectly without realizing it, they will enter the addiction phase or even they are already addicted so that they can think of gambling every day just because they want to win by assuming that by gambling every day they will get many chances of winning, but what they should know and understand is that isn't all of that nothing more than chance? and what is meant by chance, isn't chance something that is still uncertain? plus it doesn't have any guarantees.

However, gambling is very risky and it is very vulnerable for anyone to lose a large amount of money if they cannot control themselves and limit their gambling activities, so the idea of gambling every day to get a lot of chances of winning indirectly in my opinion is nothing more than something that will trap yourself. The people you are referring to who always have faith and confidence even though they have often been slapped by reality at the end of their sessions are addicted gamblers, it's natural because addicted people have different mindsets and assumptions so their beliefs are also different from normal people.
1210  Other / Off-topic / Re: Who does gambling addiction affect the most? on: January 10, 2024, 03:21:44 PM
If the gambler has any dependents, then for sure they are the ones who are hurt the most with the gambler's actions. If not, it's only the gambler himself who's going to have a miserable life. It's hard to deal with gambling addiction because you're constantly having the urge to gamble even when you're out of money. You feel like you need to scratch the itch because this time, you might win.

The dependents will have no control on how the gambler will spend their money. They will just be left with crumbs because they think they cannot ask the gambler to stop since they're only depending on the said person to provide them their needs.

Exactly, it's quite simple to find out who is really at a disadvantage besides the gambler himself, of course, if indeed the addicted gambler is a husband or wife in a family then obviously everyone in the scope of the family, especially their children, will experience the impact of gambling by their parents so that they lose balance in particular in terms of family finances. I think one of the things that makes it difficult to overcome someone who is addicted to gambling is because they have different understandings and beliefs from the beginning of their involvement, such as maybe for example thinking that gambling is a place that produces so they put their hopes on a win and can't miss a moment not to gamble.

There is absolutely no reason to say that it is fun if they are basically overreacting in their approach, however, they will not be able to minimize the number of losses if they basically have the wrong approach and mindset, running out of money is not a problem because they will look for other things to make alternatives such as borrowing money from relatives or services. On the other hand of course, if for example the gambler is a parent then obviously other family members such as his children or even his wife will definitely find it difficult to prevent him because as you said that children and wife might just allow him to continue gambling, unable to do anything because they have dependence.
1211  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Your gambling life could affect your relatives lifes. on: January 10, 2024, 02:57:25 PM

In the event that you've got a lot of time on your hands, you'll want to make sure that you've got a good idea of what you're getting yourself into. Starting from not having responsibility, the problem will spread to everything, especially one of our closest members, for example, it is not uncommon to find gamblers who like to borrow money from one of their relatives who eventually cause problems because of the inability to pay debts due to excessive gambling and even though they have money but of course the first thing they think about is to fund their gambling and not to pay debts.

Not only that, the scenario can also be like what you said where the point of view of the surrounding community will be bad as a result of the behavior of an addicted gambler who usually ranks like a madman and agreif, acting out of control and even very likely to commit crimes such as stealing etc., which of course can embarrass their extended family in the eyes of the surrounding people. I think there should be something that one of his siblings should do to at least advise him not to overdo the gambling, although the possibility is small but it doesn't matter as long as it is consistent I think it can make them change a little.

I've noticed that it's rare not to have in a family a person who acts in a strange manner. It could be as a result of childhood upbringing. Which may have affected the person psychologically. Home training changes people differently. Grown ups hardly find it difficult to change, once the person gets addicted it takes lots of effort to cure their problem gambling. Even after the problem has been solved the gambler would find himself undergoing similar gambling symptoms for a while until he's completely in control of his actions. Advising them helps, but not everyone loves to take one, especially when they didn't ask for it. As families we only need to have to closely observe the person and endeavor he's not gambling all the time. Explaining to them that gambling once a day is achievable can help the gambler would decide to try it out some day. Then he'd follow the routine of gambling once a day for a long time till it's now a part of him.

Yes, regarding the nature and behavior, it is true as you said that usually such behavior starts from the parents' mistakes in educating their children when they were young, simply put, if their parents educate them harshly or mean to treat them harshly since childhood, then usually when they grow up they have traits and behaviors not much different from what their parents taught them, But for this problem I really can't make it a benchmark for someone to then enter addiction when they grow up, because I think what makes more sense is the wrong environmental factors that can really make someone involved in gambling until they enter the addiction phase or other negative things.

The environment has a very big influence on a person's behavior and changes in any case, it can lead to positive or negative things and usually the environment when they are older is where all these situations and scenarios can start, on the other hand basically it is not an easy thing to get out of gambling or even the addiction zone, because there are so many temptations that are difficult to miss by them and as you said that although there are many suggestions that are so good but not everyone can accept them into consideration. Therefore, the conclusion is that the action to cure gambling addiction must come out of themselves, or that means it cannot be forced and will really be successful or likely if there is basically a firm intention and sincerity from someone who is already addicted to recover.
1212  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How often do you win? on: January 09, 2024, 11:07:07 PM
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I don't thinks you're the only one who feels something like that because in fact gambling gives us more losses than we wins even though we have used all the skills we have to increase our chances of winning but in reality we still experience defeat, but that okay as long as If we don't try to chase after these losses, we won't experienced big losses.

It's hard to stoped if the environment where you live is filled with people who gamble because in the end you are also encouraged to gamble again until you really achieve satisfaction with your friends. Maybe when you and your friends money run out, you can stop doing it and come back the next day to continue gambling, but you also have to be careful every night you gamble, it will cause you to become addict. But if you can control and control your thoughts, maybe you can still overcomed it so you don't become addicted.

Gambling is all about possibility. So when you gamble, maybe you can be the luckiest person, by getting a win that you never imagined before, but still, losses in gambling are a certainty. And you are right with that, the more we chase defeat, the more we will lose. This gambling must be under good control, so that even though we will not make a profit from this activity, at least we will be able to minimize the occurrence of losses.

And I personally admit that I have not been able to get out of the world of gambling. So what I do is play more wisely, gamble without interfering with other activities and gamble without having to abandon what I have responsibilities and obligations for.

Yes gambling is nothing more than a game of chance or probability which means you can win and you can also be one of the unlucky people at that time in the sense of losing, on the other hand what you said is true that losing is certain and winning is a possibility. Before we gamble there is something we must understand that the percentage of wins is much smaller than losses, why? as I mentioned above that there is absolutely no certainty of getting a win because it all really depends on how lucky you are at the time of the session.

Well that's right, because this is a game about probability, it is clear that the more you pursue victory to produce or to break even, it is clear that usually the number of defeats will be greater, this is a fact and I think many have experienced it, as proof we just see how the fate of gamblers who are addicted, usually they run out of all the valuables they have and even get into debt, so this is the reason why many people recommend applying self-control and some limits firmly, risk cannot be completely avoided but with that then the amount of defeat we will not be too big, I understand it is not easy but we can do it slowly to get used to it.
1213  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you blame someone for your gambling losses? on: January 09, 2024, 09:37:28 PM
Gambling only involves yourself, or what it means is that each person (gambler) has their own decision in terms of taking risks and for the problem of the impact of risk really returns to themselves, simply put if for example you are unable to accept the risk of losing then obviously the choice may be two, first just take a very low level of risk by putting the amount of budget 1% - 2% for example so that you are not too upset if you end up losing, the second is clearly better not to gamble if you are not able to accept the risk.

After all gambling is an activity that will never be separated from the name of risk, you can win but you can also lose and what usually happens more often is defeat because it is very difficult to be able to get lucky in a row, while on the other hand victory always depends on how lucky you are at that time. So blaming others for your losses is really silly even if for example you come on the recommendation of others but still you should be able to consider what gambling is really about, and that means you are not a responsible gambler, losers come with only to win but do not want to accept the risk of losing and instead blame others.
1214  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think gambling every day is better? on: January 09, 2024, 07:16:31 PM
Always about this, I really don't understand the mindset of people like that, saying that gambling every day will make you closer to luck? have you proven it yourself that with such an approach you can get a lot of wins? if so then show real evidence that can really be believed. Logically if it is a good idea and can really bring us closer to victory then why until now people in general are still working hard to sweat a lot just to get money, why don't they just gamble? and on the other hand if it were true then surely people would quit their jobs and better relax at home and fill all their time to gamble and then get a lot of money, but isn't the reality not like that?

Honestly, I believe more in what the OP understands that the more often you gamble, it is clear that the more often you will experience defeat and will also make you closer to addiction and we can see how the fate of people who have entered the addiction phase, their whole life is full of pressure and problems, debt to depression because they lose all their valuable assets, isn't that strong evidence to be used as an excuse? However, gambling is not a place to earn, you must be careful not to let your mind focus on winning, it is nothing more than a chance without certainty and guarantee, unless you are one of those people who can see the future. Smiley
1215  Other / Off-topic / Re: Who does gambling addiction affect the most? on: January 09, 2024, 06:28:23 PM
It's worse when the gambler is a parent so he has dependants to look after but his attention is not on them. This affects the family the most including the kids. Sad to see kids suffer because of the poor choices of the gambling addict.

The gambling addict will just be thinking of himself and as long as he can satisfy his craving he will gamble. Disregarding responsibilities and they even rob money from their relatives because of the itch.

If they are one of the parents in a family then obviously the first bad impact that will be felt is by their children, there is a possibility of mental changes that occur in their parents so that the possibility of their children will get harsh treatment from their parents, and not only that, other bad impacts will also occur on their finances so that they make them lose balance in terms of finances and difficulties in making ends meet.

That's right, gamblers who are addicted will only think about what they want, especially how they can gamble, as we know that gamblers who are addicted will usually do everything possible even something unexpected such as maybe stealing or other criminal acts just to get money to gamble, so if the scenario that is addicted is the parents then obviously I can't imagine what the finances in the family will be like, there will be absolutely no balance and the days may be filled with pressure and debt problems.
1216  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling on: January 09, 2024, 05:18:51 PM
It might look like a good idea to think that if you know the algorithm of an online casino you can always win. But it is important to be careful with this idea. Algorithms are used to decide what happens in online casino games but you should be careful while applying this idea.
Online casinos use complicated algorithms to make sure their games are fair and random. These algorithms are always being changed and made better to stop anyone from predicting or cheating. So if anyone has the algorithm so this is not surety that he/she will use this algorithm all the time. So be careful.

Obviously knowing the algorithm applied by the casino to the games provided will make you always be able to get a win in every session that is done but isn't that impossible? obviously, absolutely no one will know about the algorithms implemented by online casinos even for those who work there, because if any secrets are leaked even a little then obviously it is likely to make the casino bankrupt, on the other hand it will not be that easy and casinos must also have implemented very sophisticated security on the systems there to minimize as well as keep the money on gamblers rotating in every time.

Yes that's right, casinos apply algorithms like this because they prioritize gambling that runs randomly so that everything looks fair and only those who are really lucky can get a win in one of the sessions they do. So of course, don't do anything that can be suspicious because there is a high probability that your account will be frozen or other problems.
1217  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: January 09, 2024, 04:37:36 PM
Simply self-awareness of the responsibilities entrusted by the company to you must really be emphasized and maintained, as you said that even though for example our duties have been completed for work problems does not mean we are free to do anything, even though the situation may be that you cannot do outdoor activities because it will make your boss angry but still gambling today can be accessed anywhere and anytime and maybe that situation will be used as an opportunity to engage in gambling using the gatget that you have. On the other hand, even if you do it in private, you still have very bad behavior by doing other activities during work time.

So the point is that we must be able to be a person who has full responsibility for whatever we do, have good discipline along with being able to divide time according to the schedule you have, if you are working then it is better to allocate all your intentions and seriousness to work, do not do other activities, after all there are still quite a lot of time that you can use to gamble, such as after work. However, even if you feel safe doing it, there will still be time for the carcass to smell and that means that one day there is a potential that your boss will find out about your bad habit of gambling during working hours, and that could threaten your job.
If you're at work, don't do anything at all except to work. That work is paying you for your time so you should also pay them with your time allotted to them.

If you don't do so, you're one of those types that will eventually evicted for having no right conduct with involves to the employment and business practices. Also, if you believe in karma, you better just do the right thing.

That's the main point, and as discussed above that even if for example your work has been completed but the time has not shown a break or go home then it is still absolutely not recommended to do other activities, after all it is your time to work and means no other activities are done except your work, On the other hand, yes it is true that work is something that  is really promising in terms of results which of course can always finance your living needs while you are there and if you lose your job just because of your carelessness by not being able to divide the time between work and gambling then obviously it is a very silly act.

So the point is that we must really  be able to distinguish and divide our time very wisely, responsibility really must be emphasized in the sense that if you are doing other  things that are far more important in your life then it is better to focus on that activity and not do anything else because the risk cannot  be avoided completely, there are two possible risks that can occur, first may experience defeat from gambling and second lose work due to carelessness.
1218  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Will you be worried or comfortable seeing your elderly mother gambling? on: January 09, 2024, 04:17:35 PM
Let them have it. They know so well that they will be losing money to gambling, but they continue in doing it thinking that it might be their lucky break that time. I wouldn't feel any sympathy to people who know full well that their actions could potentially harm them or anyone around them, especially if they faced the consequences. It's just another human making poor life decisions and getting the results of what their actions are. I'd certainly not feel comfortable seeing someone in distress or frustrated because they lose, but I'd say I'll be fine with it. 

Yes, it is true that maybe we can only let it go because after all they are old enough and have a mature mindset so that it should be able to make them at least consider and know about which is better to do and which should be avoided. For the initial stage, I understand that there is nothing wrong with giving them a little advice that gambling activities are not good overall especially if they are already in old age which should spend time with pleasure and enjoy it with children and grandchildren at home instead of suffering a lot of pressure as a bad impact of gambling.

If indeed all the advice is really useless and cannot change anything then obviously leave it alone, they have their own decisions, it's useless even though we have tried to care for them but they themselves don't care about themselves all of that will be in vain, and maybe they will only stop when indeed the bad effects that can really traumatize them experience in their gambling involvement. For the issue of whether or not it is comfortable, it is clear as you said that it is not at all comfortable when seeing the elderly involved in gambling, it is concerning especially if they are one of our family members.
1219  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Anyone here who retired with Gambling winnings ? on: January 09, 2024, 03:56:32 PM
Anyone here who retired with Gambling winnings ?  If not, how much you think is sufficient to retire as Gambling winning ?
Even if a gambler wins in a lottery I don't think he will retire and just turn his back on gambling, this is where he gets his winnings and this is where he gets his enjoyment, winnings are not something that will retire you, once a gambler will always gamble gambler will only retire if they are compulsive gambler and they are cured, or if they are so old that they cannot bet anymore because of Alzheimers and there is no amount of money that can make them retire, even if you give them that amount, they will find a way.

Well that's more likely to happen than them being determined to retire from gambling, after all who doesn't want money? I mean when someone is in that state then I think what's more likely in their mind is that they'll try it again another day with the aim and hope of getting the same or even a much bigger win as before. So what is very likely to happen is that they will just stop the session at that point and then gamble again another day.

Your idea of compulsive gamblers who will quit I think is too simple and even the fact is just the opposite, compulsive behavior is always synonymous with things that are difficult to control by them so the truth is that compulsive gamblers are the ones who have a very small chance of quitting gambling because they have difficulty managing their minds, uncontrollable behavior and thought patterns make it difficult for them to achieve awareness so it is difficult to consider something better to do such as quitting or even reducing it. But for other things like they have a reason that really requires them to stop gambling such as having a disease like you said maybe it can be a big enough push to make them realize and stop, the situation forces them to do better.
1220  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Your gambling life could affect your relatives lifes. on: January 09, 2024, 03:15:12 PM
and therefore gamble responsibly so that your gambling will not harm those closest to you. because after all, when you live with your siblings or parents, other people will judge your behavior and will associate this with the people closest to you. if you behave well, maybe other people will judge that your family are good people. but when you don't behave well, especially being an aggressive and irresponsible gambling addict, other people will not only judge you badly but also your siblings and parents who don't give advice or take action to prevent you from becoming an addict and that will lead to shame on them. and therefore gamble responsibly so that your actions will not harm those closest to you.

In the event that you've got a lot of time on your hands, you'll want to make sure that you've got a good idea of what you're getting yourself into. Starting from not having responsibility, the problem will spread to everything, especially one of our closest members, for example, it is not uncommon to find gamblers who like to borrow money from one of their relatives who eventually cause problems because of the inability to pay debts due to excessive gambling and even though they have money but of course the first thing they think about is to fund their gambling and not to pay debts.

Not only that, the scenario can also be like what you said where the point of view of the surrounding community will be bad as a result of the behavior of an addicted gambler who usually ranks like a madman and agreif, acting out of control and even very likely to commit crimes such as stealing etc., which of course can embarrass their extended family in the eyes of the surrounding people. I think there should be something that one of his siblings should do to at least advise him not to overdo the gambling, although the possibility is small but it doesn't matter as long as it is consistent I think it can make them change a little.
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