Oh you flatterer you... And I thought no one would notice.... but yes, you caught me pants down... Nothing especially difficult mind you, since for months now I have been "gaslighting" the devs in hopes they would do something, anything, for Vericoin --or just ANYTHING AT ALL, period.

Unfortunately, in spite of my unparalleled skill on the subject, to no success whatsoever.

But be sure I take your appreciation exactly as the compliment I'm quite sure it was intended to be... There are several other denominations for individuals like you, plenty of them in fact, but in the new spirit of civility here, I will go for "flatterer" this time around. You do know perfectly well what those denominations are, indeed.

Jay Jay:

I am going to take your novel -so you can get used soon to the kind of verbiage it is used here to start the salvo of ad hominens-, the answer to AltcoinUK as if it was directed at me since you put us in the same package with your initial question and it was obvious that to look up what I found regrettable -among other things- about Vericoin, so often repeated in my posts, you wanted to save yourself the "work" of simply going through a few of them.

First of all thank you for your post and your intentions to defuse. I appreciate it. But, unfortunately, it's nothing new. And it hasn't worked before (Shinraven has tried numerous times, with no success whatsoever, as a matter of fact making the confrontations if anything more incendiary). You see, I believe you can domesticate the occasional animal, but beasts will be beasts and they will sooner rather than later, show their true colors. Always. And what we have here, Jay Jay, is nothing else but a very few but very rabid beasts, protected by the anon that the internet provides. As you have seen in the mos recent period, it isn't Vericoin, or even their mounting losses in it, that are the problem. The problem is that if you are a homophobe, you hate "fags". And are aching to shout it to the world; the problem is that if you secretly, in the inner depths of your desires, want to eat dick, your mind will find a way of express that private obsession, especially under the hiding curtain of the internet. It applies to racism; it applies to absolutism. To all kinds of hatred... but do not take my word for it, please., just make your own decision when considering we are talking here of supposedly grown up men who know not only how to hit the ignore button but also how to stay away from a place where their innate hatred is exacerbated or -they want to feel- "provoked". We are talking of individuals bent, absolutely bent, on forcing other individuals who they believe post counter to their pockets, to silence by whatever means necessary -and, believe me, the only limitation to this is set by the environment, the internet; in the real life, they would have resorted to deadly violence long ago-. Exactly the same type of beasts that burned books... and then the people that read them. The same type of beasts that not only welcome censorship because the want to forcibly silence those opposing voices, but want it imposed in the most expedite ways: They want it across the board, no matter that they have already several outlets of such circumstance perfectly available to them and that there are no ties whatsoever that keeps them here. They want "here" closed. Buried. Disappeared. In their beastly irrationality, they have it quite clear that silencing -as if that were possible- those who disagree with them, IS the price, regardless if it is or not beneficial to the project in general.

Such individuals, dear Jay Jay, INCLUDE the two devs, Nosker and Pike. And both have not only expressed so many, many times, but have done so in their usual arrogant way. They don't want the opposing views. They sponsor and welcome censorship in the strongest form they are capable of. .. and yeah, they will keep this thread open ONLY because they know that otherwise another one would be open or, worse, the peculiarities of their censorship will be examined in already existent forums. Such are the individuals you are dealing with here, Jay Jay. That is the reality created subsequently.

One again, I thank you for your attempt which I suspect is not altogether noble but directed by the fact that you may have convince yourself you can do something about it and that something will result in an increase in price after you have made a nice investment in Vericoin. It is more than possible that, since we are at prices so low and have been for so long, that the community -the real one, the one that doesn't post BS hatred here- won't allow for now to go lower, the coin will rebound. On just the proposal of a World Vericoin Day it doubled in price in hours, so it is indeed quite possible that it  will happen again and you will be handsomely rewarded by your efforts whether the spike in price will have anything to do with your posting -I hope you don't believe that- or is just a minimal -and I mean less than 10 BTC will do the trick-, whale move in this direction, totally unmotivated. I hope it does because I know you mean well but, unfortunately, regarding who's who and what's causing what here, you have shown a total lack of knowledge -and even will of "going through the big effort of finding out".

Good luck in your endeavors.



 

And here, again, the personal perceptions... and back again to square one. Anything to avoid reality. Oh well, it has quite a decisive way to make itself present.

Is "boxxa" 'dev4'?

Although this has absolutely nothing to do with the rumor/possibility, let's get it out of the way first: I don't like "boxxa" at all. I believe he is an insufferable, arrogant SOB.

Now, with that out of the way, is "boxxa" 'dev4'?

I bring up the question because "boxxa" joined the dev team at Pink Coin a couple weeks ago and, after delivering a complex system by which people can send money from their smartphones without having to type the entire wallet address of the receiver -main reason why VeriSMS is actually impossible to use in real life- but rather their email or even a much shortened code made of a few symbols, has now, abruptly, left the Pink team...

Now, Vericoin's devs have said they are developing a similar system to make VerySMS usable (the translation for that would be "we are copying "boxxa's" invention..."), so putting a few dots together, some have come to the "conclusion" that "dev4" could indeed be "boxxa". IF that is the case, I personally would be quite disappointed for the "Good Guys" brand that barely remains Vericoin's only asset, and that in and of itself is quite quickly disappearing, definitely would be sitting on a time bomb with "boxxa" on board.

That said, he cannot be more arrogant than Nosker and Pike have been... the difference being that he can actually code.

Developments regarding this rumor upcoming, I am sure.  

I don't know if you ignore the evidence on purpose or are just trying to convince yourself... it's baffling, really. Look, since the coin was released, there has not been any development, any at all, of any significance. 2 deals with third parties that ONLY benefit those third parties (Moolah and the one behind the Visa prepaid card) and, much more importantly, the already widely evidenced -and, de facto, admitted- incompetence of the three devs. It is admitted and for that reason they are looking at what "dev 4" can offer since they are just not capable of even covering the most basic bases of the current coin (working wallet, even a realistic attempt at a multipool...), much less of progress with the project in any technical -or otherwise- way. There's, I repeat, ample evidence of all of this... even now and in the past 2 months, when the devs have had the luxury of vacation tyime to dedicate to Vericoin... imagine what is going to happen going forward when they have many more pressing obligations.

So it isn't a matter of patience at all. It is a matter of, credibly, honestly, taking a deep look at what the project is and where it stands, not patience.

As ALWAYS, no exceptions, happens, people qualify themselves and shoot themselves in the mouth pretty quickly. Inevitably, the homophobe, the racist, the illiterate obsessed with eating dick... they'll all show their colors. And, more importantly, the rest of the people identify them clearly and simply skip their posts. The continuation to that is that they are shamed and they leave. Or continue under another handle. Just another long weekend in the internet refuge for cowards. Like the Mickey Mouse old DMV video: Goes with the territory.

I don't remember all people asking me questions so if I miss someone they can post them again if they are at all interested. I seem to recall someone that was hating himself for posing them... well, don't. Easy enough, right? I don't want you to go on hating yourself and no amount of "wisdom" on my part can possibly counter your self-hatred.

I do remember the questions by someone that obviously has not bothered himself with reading my posts on the matter, which have been quite reiterative. He must find easier to just post them again. Anyway, since he asked nicely, the answers remain the same:

The problem with Vericoin is that the three developers are obviously incompetent -technically and in every other department, from financial acumen to PR to marketing-, hence why nothing has been released or otherwise done in the last 2 months. Additionally, Nosker and Pike are amazingly arrogant, to boot.

There are several other problems with the project, but all derived from that one.

Rational discussion of the Vericoin project is permanently on the table here and anyone interested should not be either discouraged or even influenced by the outbursts and rowdy juvenile -to put it very mildly- behavior of a very few usual suspects.

Discussion of the project though, has proven to be an exercise in futility for months now.

Or, in your particular case, not at all. Much, much better that way.

Read above ^^^

Veritalk. And fuck you very much, by the way.

Sorry but while I believe in team efforts, in general, when it comes to digital currencies and especially this one in particular, nope. See, I believe in skills, rather than hyperbole or fanaticism (keyworded here as "passion"). When you have somebody who is practically illiterate and doesn't know the distinction between "your" and "you're" -among many other tell-tales- who feels entitled to give lessons to other because... well he is "passionate" about Vericoin, it is like trying to get an Australian Aborigine to write a paper in esperanto. I'm sure you get my meaning.

Xoshic here is a self-declared "expert". He does these types of events twice before breakfast every day. And he knows better than anyone his environment, his people and, like I said, these events... only that his perception of reality id about light years away from the real reality, as he now admits. In his thoughts, everyone but everyone knew not only everything about bitcoin but also was perfectly appraised -not to mention interested- about even the latest prices oscillations. And this is a guy that does these types of things frequently! Imagine people "passionate" to volunteer that are successful mass-market jeans manufacturers, even though they just can write in English... never mind that, he would entitled himself to "correct" others when they RIGHTFULLY, write "the world entire"... just because he has never read, well anything but these boards and not have even watched "Schindler's List"...

So you would excuse me if I nicely decline your offer. I guarantee you will find abundance of geniuses more than willing to volunteer. I did it once -not being paid-. It will never happen again. Thank you but no, thank you.

"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." - Henry David Thoreau

Like I said: Geniuses you all... wow.

Well Xoshic, once again, like I told you the moment you posted you were going to do the event, for anything under $20.00 or 25.00, no one would bother. But you knew better, of course. Just like you knew better giving away the stuff you did instead of a pamphlet with content that would have hit home from the get go WITH ALL, not just the more or less already interested people. You, of course, knew better...

There's not going to be any follow up of any kind, I would venture because even the people you talked to for 15 minutes or more, didn't get a thing, obviously. AND, if they even bother to visit the webpage, they will run, not walk, in view of the absurdly incomprehensible mumbo-jumbo there. But you, and the authors of the content in the site, also know much better.

Geniuses, you all.

Fortunately, you had a great time so you will continue doing similar things. Next one, much more familiar territory... but you will have considerably harder time trying to convince them that Vericoin is the future... because, you know, they really KNOW better.

@Xoshic,

Lets keep something straight because I believe you need it rather direly: Passion for something doesn't mean it is neither EXCUSABLE nor, much less, that you have ANY talent for it, ok?

And, first of all, lets clarify something here because it is getting to a point that the sense of reality simply doesn't exist: We ALL are in this for the money. All. No exceptions, ok? Yes, most of us would like the corrupt and inefficient current monetary system at least challenged if not changed completely but we all, again, are in this to MAKE MONEY. So any "evangelism", lets make this abundantly clear, is tainted by that principle first and foremost. Greed, for lack of a better word, is what moves us all in crypto, ok? AND it is a good thing, that it is that way. Because, if not, we enter the always dangerous terrain of complete nutcases that could as well wear green mohawks to signify themselves as some kind of "new race" or "new religion".

And lets talk a bit about another term absolutely abused (especially by you): "passion". Most people associate passion with sex and it is a good, positive association. Now, when passion has to do with many other things, not so much. For instance, money. Or a new monetary order. Because, in that case, "passion" equals "fanaticism" and "fanaticism" equals "irrationality".

Personally, I have several passions -apart from sex-. And ALL of them, not only I do -or would, anyway- for free, but very often they cost me quite dearly. One of them is tennis. And I am fairly convinced that if the world entire would practice tennis two or three times a week, we would have a better, healthier world. Science supports this belief of mine. And yet, it would be kind of weird if I would get on booths at fairs and conventions, to promote tennis since it is my passion, don't you think? I mean, it is ok I guess that you will feel "passionate" about or "passion" for "digital currencies", but pretending that satisfying that passion of yours is anything but satisfying it, is not only not true it isn't fair either. We all take that it doesn't cost you effort whatsoever to organize the Minnesota Fair event, since you would do it on your own, spending time and your own money, anyway. Because that is your passion. So, actually, it is not Vericoin or the community who may benefit from it; it is YOU who, for sure, will benefit from it. If any benefit additionally, spills into Vericoin or the community, that would be and added bonus, right?

Which takes me to the second consideration: "Passion" doesn't equal and more often than not indicates the contrary, talent. There's a lot of people re3al passionate about soccer, and all would like to play like Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo. Likewise there's a lot of people passionate about basket and all of them would like to be 6.5 and be the new LeBron or Kobe. And, no matter how passionate they are about the sport, they actually insult the very concept when they practice it, just like any regular human would destroy "La Traviata" no matter how passionate they are about Placido Domingo or Verdi. I'm sure you catch my meaning. Their passion not only is not a ticket to ride, it is counter beneficial to the object of that passion.

So, once more, I know you will enjoy enormously the Fair event and thank you, again, for whatever spill may end up in benefit of Vericoin. But don't treat like a deserved badge or a positive foregone conclusion, because, as I have tried to explain, it could result in quite the opposite. Not that I believe it will -you seem to be otherwise quite "normal", before this recent rant-, but you scared the shit out of me when, before going quite mental in your rant, you seem to put undue stock in the fact that you are "passionate" about digital currencies. Red lights started blinking at that point.

And, when people is less "passionate" and more "rational" about something you feel very passionate about, that doesn't make them any worse; if anything, the opposite would have proven to be true historically. Certainly, someone "passionate" about something, like digital currencies, shouldn't bold himself with lessons regarding activities which others, less passionate and for sure more rational, should involve themselves in. That is kind of cultish. And you really don't want "passionate" Vericoin investors hare-khrisna-ing their way to the doors of everyone, do you?

This whole thing is as preposterous as it could be. And then some. Like asking a one legged man to run the 500 meters in under 1 minute. Even less likely.

The devs that we have cannot implement the simplest of things -like a working wallent, or a multi-pool-, and you expect them to create a decentralized exchange? what are you nuts?

I have posted a thousand times already the reasons, you simply don't want to remember. Here it goes again: This coin set a new standard in honesty and transparency and, for that, I wanted to be a part of it.

What didn't I like? Everything else that came after the launch: The baseless and completely stupid arrogance of Nosker, mainly but not only. The absolute lack of direction. The total lack of simple knowledge to code something of any significance... but more than anything else, the lack of action. On ANY direction with even a remote sense of PURPOSE.

You made me repeat it, I didn't think is was needed...

Now, I have finally understood the situation: The devs played their cards. They launched Vericoin. The three of them figured on dedicating maybe about 8 hours per week, each, to the coin and, most of that time, to do basically hangouts, tweets and any censored channel with the entire consensus of the cheerleading contingent. A project of the dimensions that Vericoin has gotten to, cannot be run like that. It is quite the full time job... and then something. And these three, as they have stated, have families, careers and school to do. Lots of it. Vericoin is a side show for them, nothing else. Oh they would like it to be successful and they are willing to invest more than double, at least for now, the time they planned in dedicating to it. For now. Holidays and all. But from here on, it is whatever anyone, away from the devs, makes of Vericoin or the project is going to end up in the gutter. The dev team lacks the skills AND the time, that salvaging Vericoin would require. As simple as that.

Complicating matters to extreme, they have monumental egos, reason why they won't just let others take charge. Or, simply, follow their lead.
And that's why we are where we are and we will be where we will be in the near future.

I certainly hope not to have to repeat any of this any more...

I don't think you are saying what warr1979 is saying (not that it would make much of a difference because both things are exercises in absurdity, but just to clarify things). If I have understood correctly -and I know I have- he blames the Mintpal "affair" for having DELAYED the otherwise plentiful slew and magnificent releases by our dynamic dev team...

You, on the other hand, seem to point to the MP "affair" as the cause of the derailment IN PRICE of the coin, that was "gearing up for a good hard run..." instead. Just to make things perfectly clear, when VRC stopped trading because of the "affair", it was in the 37k level, having been recently above 43k and just days before touching 58k. When trading resumed, VRC traded for quite a few days in the 34-32 region. Subsequently, a very, very, very slow downside spiral started, without any rebound. In no way, shape or form it can be made related to the MP "affair". As a matter of fact, the fall from the low 30s mirrored that of many other similar coins, particularly BlackCoin -that still mirrors in price behavior- and NAUT.

So very wrong on both counts. The MintPal "affair" did not delay anything at all, not even the vacations of the dev team, and in no way was, even remotely, the cause of the monumental sell-off.

Just keeping the record straight.

You can like "the direction the coin is going" just like you may like the color purple. You are just another bagholder who tries to convince himself it's oke to remain invested in it, but this coin is going in NO DIRECTION WHATSOEVER, none atm.

And hasn't been since launch, by the way.

Let me make it very clear: magical man or not, VRC  is NEVER EVER getting to 0.001. Ever.

That said a triple from here to the mid 20s is not only possible but quite easy if this guy has something worthy in his bag of tricks since without him we have ZERO.

So the question is who cares? Lets get there, gain some momentum and re-evaluate. No black hand will touch this -they already did... and took it to 50s... honestly it wasnt the black hand nor its front man wizrig that sank vrc; it was the ZERO progress in the project since that did it in.

You cannot be serious, can you? Take a look, for some details, at THE WALL OF SHAME, right here in Bitcointalk.

"Darren Palmer" does not exist. It is an alias, a handle. He took all your money already once before and he's around for more from the same idiots.

Oh PRO has a "new great dev", really? who? who is that "great DEV"?

Amazing, simply amazing, that you keep on biting...

This is amazing to me... really, really amazing: You ALL here know that this is a 100% TOTAL SCAM, that this Darren is an alias, an scammer who has already scammed you and STILL, you remain here?? What are you nuts??

Amazing, unbelievable, WOW....

Of course this message will disappear as soon as "Darren" gets a hold of it. And there's no "father" either. Several, instead.

But you guys deserve everything he has in store for you. In spades. Wow, wow, wow.

Oh I don't know, what do you think? No releases or news of ANY significance in 9 weeks and price more than 80% below the highs and, more importantly, with nothing to look forward to and no sense of direction whatsoever... does it look like something that you could call  "power situation"?