updated added.. Hyperjacked Signup: March 23, 2014 Rating: Hero Member another rat bites the dust  "Rat"...? Lol Ok so I pumped dash to the ATH after calling the otoh bottom...so what? I fly solo...and your just another shill with an axe to grind Disclaimer:I'm a vertoe fan and sold all my dash detergent into the ATH pump yes. rat the specifics i put in the first page qualifies you as a rat lol first post darkcoin and non newbie post .... what is your love at first sight story with darkcoin? |
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The thread was created 18 January 2014 and the first mention to Masternodes is from the 21 February 2014. A month and 189 pages of thread later! Anyway... You can continue with your conspiracy theories and threads, are very funny  I see that I am not in your thats-a-conspiracy-you-are-all-insiders thread. Shame on you! I posted the evidence and you act like some dumb ass person (pretending you didn't see or understand).. i'll repeat it so you can reabsorb it Great, now that everything is stable, I'll be posting later about the vision of this project and milestones! Time to move on to actually implementing what I set out to do.
so Evan had planned already for his coin..when did "the plan" become a plan? 2 days after the launch? i believe the plan was a plan waaaay back. he showed the plans a month after he said he had plans..delayed it on purpose for the accumulation with his friends. Masters
To defeat propagation problems, master nodes are elected each new block. They are responsible for being the authority of what goes into the joined transaction each session. This is done in a tamperproof way, but I think it’s not important to the discussion.
Even after the instamine, accumulation, fork from 84 million to 21 million supply Evan still putting the masternode specifics under the rug so he and his friends can further accumulate dash. The thread was created 18 January 2014 and the first mention to Masternodes is from the 21 February 2014. A month and 189 pages of thread later! I provided the link between Evan's January 20, 2014 post to February 21, 2014 post, showing what he had in mind all along..you see it is not about the instamine all alone, it is about the whole story, what was in Evan's mind the whole time  I see that I am not in your thats-a-conspiracy-you-are-all-insiders thread. Shame on you! actually i am suspecting you have an account in my rat cage thread here is an evidence from my thread...your buddy lebubar spilled the beans haha Hmmm.
I saw my name ...
wtf is here? I win something?
I know in person half of the person in your list. lol
wtf ariel?
Yes I create my account in bitcointalk to post in Darkcoin thread. and?
Hmmm?
wtf ariel?
Guys guys.. Trolleros and Trolleras : Make something for your fucking coin!!!!
Don't see it is dying?
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"What did you make for XMR guys??"
DrkLvr_ I create 3 new threads to treat DASH.
areilbit : I'm not sure but I also made a new thread about Dash member's registration date.
smoothie: I write 6 posts in the same page in the ANN Dash thread.
"Oooooohhh, I ask what did you MAKE FOR MONERO FUCKING STUPIDS!!!!"
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updated added.. Hyperjacked Signup: March 23, 2014 Rating: Hero Member another rat bites the dust |
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@Hyperjacked is no shill and he is also very honest
No one cares bigs...bct is a joke! The jamokes do the tango of words and report to a higher shill! @ bigs212024 he is a shill and most likely belonged to a person with multiple accounts, he qualified for my rat cage heheh https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1282836.0 @Hyperjacked no one cares? guilty as charged? hehe |
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Ok I get it now. So it is no good. But can anyone explain why the price is rising? It's rising because it's one of the most coherent monetary assets on coinmarketcap, being that it retains bitcoin's blokchain transparency while improving massively on its fungibility to the point that distinguishing characteristics between addresses are effectively eliminated. Further, Dash has established a balanced approach between reserve and currency markets thats almost unmatched by any other cryptocurrency asset. That's to say that while some proportion of the coin supply is made available by holders on exchanges for trading, a significant proportion of the rest of it is deployed on the network and earns a return for its holders. This is in fact not really true. The coins held in Master nodes are not production investment that earns interest as in a normal currency reserve system, where "saving" is in fact (delegated) investment in production capital. In other words, "saved" money in a normal monetary economy are not "put in a box" but are again actively used by entrepreneurs to buy production capital. That money keeps flowing, in other words, it is not locked up in a box as is the case in a Master node. The "interest earning" in Master nodes is nothing else but a re-distribution of seigniorage by mining ; in other words, a tax on every currency holder, that goes in the pockets of Master node holders: a transfer of wealth from active users to "passive possessors". In a normal economy, the interest earned comes from the risk taken. A master node locked up doesn't take the slightest bit of risk but earns 45% of the seigniorage. You can say that in bitcoin too, there is inflation because of mining. However, because in bitcoin, the full seigniorage goes to the miner, that miner will also be pushed by competition to BURN most of the seigniorage in PoW. In DASH, because the miner will only receive 45% of the seigniorage, competition will only make him burn 45% of the seigniorage in PoW, and the rest goes in the pockets of Master nodes and the "gouvernors". Now, that is EXTREMELY SIMILAR to central banking and their interest rates on issued currency feeding a whole bunch of elite with free money, taxed by inflation on all the others. In bitcoin, at least, this "tax" is entirely (or almost entirely) burned by PoW, so there is not really a self-accumulation of wealth without risk by the "richies of the first hour(s)". Also because of this lucrative locking up of a large part of the money supply in master nodes, the ACTUAL available market cap of DASH is way lower than is calculated, because the available coin supply is seriously lower than the total number of coins existing. But all this is not to point out that DASH is a kind of rip off. There is simply no other way to do some form of automated secured coinjoin mixing with bitcoin technology: you need "trusted parties", and so you need to provide them with sufficient incentive to do so (the master nodes). This implies re-centralisation, governance, and hence, taxes and lucrative happenings for the elite which get richer.
The remaining question is how many master nodes are under independent control. If that number is too small, then the anonymity of the mixing becomes compromised too.masternodes are already in plan even before they launched dash....hence the importance of the instamine to grab an astounding amount of dash This is another lie (a lie you like to repeat again and again). I know because I was there. Anyone can read the Dash thread from day one to check. Just a heads up...he gets paid to lie! He should have said" OHhh the good old days with Vertoe and the coin before it became a dishwasher detergent " ...no agenda other than calling the poster a imitation hero member...  That's coming from a guy that pumped dash and called the otoh bottom with my new account...check the history. Cheers dash holders and old friends Jack hmm..you called me little fart in warp thread (why use some offensive language?) called me a paid account/user.. trashes my hero member status... hmmm... now i know! haha welcome to my rat cage buddy! haha tell me your love at first sight story with darkcoin? "imitation hero member" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1282836.msg13200467#msg13200467welcome to my rat cage hahaha i just posted my evidence and it seems like you didn't read it?....well aleix ran away |
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- shuns the instamine..
- points at the price of dash..
- blame monero..
- posted a link to a biased dash website
now that's a shill |
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interesting...
after months of disappearance some accounts are already warp shills although the coin/dev hasn't proven anything yet hmmm..
Just for the record ...I'm not a shill Ppl can and should do there own DD before investing in anything! Glad you found a coin that works for you... All the best for the record, bitcointalk is a land of many coins and we engage in many ..... it was just the action i made at the time frame i mentioned above Lol you analyze everything little fart and spit it back at them... It was an honest congrats on the coin you listed in the link you posted...that's all. No agenda hehe just sharing my thoughts here...was tempted to put my 1 BTC to warp back then. now i'm just here for fun. see what people and dev would do. |
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Ok I get it now. So it is no good. But can anyone explain why the price is rising? It's rising because it's one of the most coherent monetary assets on coinmarketcap, being that it retains bitcoin's blokchain transparency while improving massively on its fungibility to the point that distinguishing characteristics between addresses are effectively eliminated. Further, Dash has established a balanced approach between reserve and currency markets thats almost unmatched by any other cryptocurrency asset. That's to say that while some proportion of the coin supply is made available by holders on exchanges for trading, a significant proportion of the rest of it is deployed on the network and earns a return for its holders. This is in fact not really true. The coins held in Master nodes are not production investment that earns interest as in a normal currency reserve system, where "saving" is in fact (delegated) investment in production capital. In other words, "saved" money in a normal monetary economy are not "put in a box" but are again actively used by entrepreneurs to buy production capital. That money keeps flowing, in other words, it is not locked up in a box as is the case in a Master node. The "interest earning" in Master nodes is nothing else but a re-distribution of seigniorage by mining ; in other words, a tax on every currency holder, that goes in the pockets of Master node holders: a transfer of wealth from active users to "passive possessors". In a normal economy, the interest earned comes from the risk taken. A master node locked up doesn't take the slightest bit of risk but earns 45% of the seigniorage. You can say that in bitcoin too, there is inflation because of mining. However, because in bitcoin, the full seigniorage goes to the miner, that miner will also be pushed by competition to BURN most of the seigniorage in PoW. In DASH, because the miner will only receive 45% of the seigniorage, competition will only make him burn 45% of the seigniorage in PoW, and the rest goes in the pockets of Master nodes and the "gouvernors". Now, that is EXTREMELY SIMILAR to central banking and their interest rates on issued currency feeding a whole bunch of elite with free money, taxed by inflation on all the others. In bitcoin, at least, this "tax" is entirely (or almost entirely) burned by PoW, so there is not really a self-accumulation of wealth without risk by the "richies of the first hour(s)". Also because of this lucrative locking up of a large part of the money supply in master nodes, the ACTUAL available market cap of DASH is way lower than is calculated, because the available coin supply is seriously lower than the total number of coins existing. But all this is not to point out that DASH is a kind of rip off. There is simply no other way to do some form of automated secured coinjoin mixing with bitcoin technology: you need "trusted parties", and so you need to provide them with sufficient incentive to do so (the master nodes). This implies re-centralisation, governance, and hence, taxes and lucrative happenings for the elite which get richer.
The remaining question is how many master nodes are under independent control. If that number is too small, then the anonymity of the mixing becomes compromised too.masternodes are already in plan even before they launched dash....hence the importance of the instamine to grab an astounding amount of dash This is another lie (a lie you like to repeat again and again). I know because I was there. Anyone can read the Dash thread from day one to check. here goes... get ready for some ass whoopin! and check the datesGreat, now that everything is stable, I'll be posting later about the vision of this project and milestones! Time to move on to actually implementing what I set out to do.
this is posted after the 48hr instamine ka ching! Evan and his friends pocketed a lot of coins.... great indeed very great Evan *clap* *clap* aaaaannd before he posted this (quote below) Evan already forked DASH from 84 Million supply to about 21 Million and you can see him posting, WTB 20,000 and WTB 10,000 DASH <------ the greed of this guy knows no boundary and then this! (the vision of this project and milestones)In reply to: http://www.reddit.com/r/DRKCoin/comments/1yit1a/using_coinjoin_for_anonymity_is_errorprone/I'm posting this here, for everyone's benefit. Thanks! Hi, I am Gnosis, the Anoncoin developer working on implementing Zerocoin. First of all, I think it is excellent that there is so much interest in developing a fully anonymous currency. I am not just a developer but also a user, or I will be when an anonymous currency exists! When coin creators compete, the coin users win! However, CoinJoin has been around for a while, and it has not seen much use for anonymity. There's a good reason for that: it's not very anonymous. Quoting my bitcointalk post: CoinJoin has questionable anonymity compared to Zerocoin. The reason is that with CoinJoin, two or more users must somehow partner up and forge a transaction together. They communicate over a secure channel to do this. The coins are only mixed among these "partners." Picking partners you can trust is a significant obstacle: how can you know that your partners will "forget" the mixing that happened? One may try to repeat this 10 times with randomly chosen partners, but how can you know that your partners are not all just sock puppets of one malicious entity (on an anonymous network, it is trivial to create as many fake users as you want )? If that is the case, then your efforts are in vain.
Compare this with Zerocoin, where you put your coins in an accumulator, and they are mixed with the coins of all users who have put coins into that accumulator, since the beginning of Zerocoin. There would be a different accumulator for different denominations of Anoncoins (1, 5, 10, 50 ANC, etc.).
To put it simply, the more users' coins your coins are mixed with, the more anonymity you have.
I cannot speak to Darkcoin's implementation (or planned implementation) of CoinJoin since I cannot seem to find any specs or code on their Github or their site. If anyone knows, please point me to them. I look forward to a practical and secure solution for anonymity from the DarkCoin devs! First off, these are fantastic questions. The answer to implementing this in such a way where it is very difficulty to exploit is by adding cost and verification. Here’s the gist of how I envision DarkSend to work in the long run. Some of what I’m going to mention is done, some of it I’m working on currently. I’d love some ideas on possible attack vectors on my implementation, so we can make it as bulletproof as possible. PoolsDarkSend adds various extensions to the Bitcoin protocol for implementing transaction pooling. Like normal Coinjoin the pools take transactions in stages. The stages currently are: POOL_STATUS_IDLE POOL_STATUS_ACCEPTING_INPUTS POOL_STATUS_ACCEPTING_OUTPUTS POOL_STATUS_SIGNING POOL_STATUS_TRANSMISSION So the users relay these items throughout the network as the stages happen. After all items are gathered into the pool, the transactions are merged together into one, remotely signed and then broadcasted. Masters
To defeat propagation problems, master nodes are elected each new block. They are responsible for being the authority of what goes into the joined transaction each session. This is done in a tamperproof way, but I think it’s not important to the discussion. So what is the cost? There must be a cost to using this anonymous network, otherwise like you say there will be issues with millions of accounts popping up. I’m not dead set on which solution(s) to implement, but here’s a couple ideas: Burnt IdentitiesHigher difficulty shares to the current block would be mined and then stored in the blockchain permanently. Multiple of these would be used for each transaction and would be “burnt” when misused, causing the attacker to have to mine them again. Verification? To use the pools it will require unique unspend outputs, someone that wants to mess with the system would have to have a large pool of funds in many addresses. So to attack a pool with 100 slots, you would require funds dispersed to 99 addresses, on 99 nodes working in common. Other possible fee-less solutions? There is interesting research on protecting against sybil attacks that lends itself really well to a decentralized ledger, such as this paper: http://dimacs.rutgers.edu/Workshops/InformationSecurity/slides/gamesandreputation.pdfThe idea is to build a social graph of the inputs and outputs of each entry and they should all know different people. If 99 of them all have the same “friends” that they associate with, then they’ll have to enter a different pool. Which will ensure the pool is not full of the nodes belonging to the attacker. An application for machine learning? I’m been making models for trading equities for over 7 years now. I ran a financial firm that sold the signals for a few years and I have experience with natural language processing using classifiers. So, I could make a classifier and actually embed it into Darkcoin to determine which pool a node should use, to separate out nodes that seem to be in common. Other ideas? I’m open to ideas on how to provide the best security to the network. I would love to hear what people have in mind. I’ve been working on DarkSend about a month and we’ve already fixed the decentralization and propagation issues, this is just another bridge to cross in the future. Thanks! BOOM! a month after the launch date (instamine), accumulation and forking the coin...GREAT indeed Evan *clap* *clap* postlude...  |
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interesting...
after months of disappearance some accounts are already warp shills although the coin/dev hasn't proven anything yet hmmm..
Just for the record ...I'm not a shill Ppl can and should do there own DD before investing in anything! Glad you found a coin that works for you... All the best for the record, bitcointalk is a land of many coins and we engage in many ..... it was just the action i made at the time frame i mentioned above |
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the biggest earners here are scammers and hackers |
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Ok I get it now. So it is no good. But can anyone explain why the price is rising? It's rising because it's one of the most coherent monetary assets on coinmarketcap, being that it retains bitcoin's blokchain transparency while improving massively on its fungibility to the point that distinguishing characteristics between addresses are effectively eliminated. Further, Dash has established a balanced approach between reserve and currency markets thats almost unmatched by any other cryptocurrency asset. That's to say that while some proportion of the coin supply is made available by holders on exchanges for trading, a significant proportion of the rest of it is deployed on the network and earns a return for its holders. This is in fact not really true. The coins held in Master nodes are not production investment that earns interest as in a normal currency reserve system, where "saving" is in fact (delegated) investment in production capital. In other words, "saved" money in a normal monetary economy are not "put in a box" but are again actively used by entrepreneurs to buy production capital. That money keeps flowing, in other words, it is not locked up in a box as is the case in a Master node. The "interest earning" in Master nodes is nothing else but a re-distribution of seigniorage by mining ; in other words, a tax on every currency holder, that goes in the pockets of Master node holders: a transfer of wealth from active users to "passive possessors". In a normal economy, the interest earned comes from the risk taken. A master node locked up doesn't take the slightest bit of risk but earns 45% of the seigniorage. You can say that in bitcoin too, there is inflation because of mining. However, because in bitcoin, the full seigniorage goes to the miner, that miner will also be pushed by competition to BURN most of the seigniorage in PoW. In DASH, because the miner will only receive 45% of the seigniorage, competition will only make him burn 45% of the seigniorage in PoW, and the rest goes in the pockets of Master nodes and the "gouvernors". Now, that is EXTREMELY SIMILAR to central banking and their interest rates on issued currency feeding a whole bunch of elite with free money, taxed by inflation on all the others. In bitcoin, at least, this "tax" is entirely (or almost entirely) burned by PoW, so there is not really a self-accumulation of wealth without risk by the "richies of the first hour(s)". Also because of this lucrative locking up of a large part of the money supply in master nodes, the ACTUAL available market cap of DASH is way lower than is calculated, because the available coin supply is seriously lower than the total number of coins existing. But all this is not to point out that DASH is a kind of rip off. There is simply no other way to do some form of automated secured coinjoin mixing with bitcoin technology: you need "trusted parties", and so you need to provide them with sufficient incentive to do so (the master nodes). This implies re-centralisation, governance, and hence, taxes and lucrative happenings for the elite which get richer.
The remaining question is how many master nodes are under independent control. If that number is too small, then the anonymity of the mixing becomes compromised too.masternodes are already in plan even before they launched dash....hence the importance of the instamine to grab an astounding amount of dash |
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Ok I get it now. So it is no good. But can anyone explain why the price is rising? Manipulation? Adoption? Long term investing from whales?
It seems very illogical for this coin to rise that high if it has no positive attributes.
You can't believe all you hear in the altcoin section in Bitcointalk. Most of the opinions here are strongly biased. Greedy and envy are powerful in the Bitcoin and Altcoin world. Sucess is not well accepted, specially when some people here invested life savings in Dash competiton currencies My advice -> Do your own research. https://www.dash.orghttps://www.dash.org/forumdo your own research?... and then pointing to the "biased dash website" hahaha my advice -> look at both sides of the coin |
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interesting...
after months of disappearance some accounts are already warp shills although the coin/dev hasn't proven anything yet hmmm..
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I have a question. Let us say that the Evan guy did not instamine Dash. Would it be considered a good coin in general? Is the instamine the only impeding factor that is making it considered a bad coin?
It's built overly complex and purports itself to be a panacea for every cryptofad that comes along: "ETH? We got DAO's too! Fast? We're so fast we turn back time! Anonymity! Pst, we were once called darkcoin--do you think we'd brand ourselves dark if weren't anonymous???" let me add to this. darkcoin name was taken from a coin that is announced but not launched dash was stolen from dashcoin dsh, and yes they tried to kill dashcoin for its name claiming cutting edge technology and good marketing but cannot think a name for their coin. snake oil crypto, being sold by snakes. |
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I'm not sure why we keep engaging these idiots. There are hundreds of coins out there and the one that is mentioned and at times more then DASH in our own forum is those clowns. We must realize they are trying to ride our cost tails for some free publicity.
free publicity? i know a coin that you dashtards are giving free publicity since march, 2015 idiot and clown free haha anyway i cleared some confusion in altcoin mining section in this forum today. |
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People are actually complaining to the dev about losing money in cypto investments LOL?!? fucking idiots
you are such cock sucker. This DEV is nothing but a liar. look at the volume today. Coz people knows the right thing about him. And a newbie knows lot of things about crypto !!! WTF ? Do you have by born knowledge about crypto ?? Or you are just posting from different account ? Broker I guess we all have lost money over the past few years in the alt coin arena... As far as I'm concerned it's in the past and I move on and learn from my mistakes and the mistakes of others. Cheers m8 yeah, you win some and you lose some. BTW i'm just intrigued about this warp coin and watching (and learning) one thing i can say is (i learned) that aside from technology part of the coin (which warp has not proven anything yet), you also invest in the dev by looking at his/her reputation.. this coin was released about the same time with salus https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317448.0and i choose to put my 1 BTC at salus instead of warp, although i didn't see a significant technological aspect to that coin, i invested in the reputation of the dev. if the dev says he is working on something, it is always a plus if he has a good reputation because most likely he will do it. |
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what is connection between DASH and zerocash?
Zerocash will turn DASH to ash Zerocash will render DASH anonymity technology phased out rendering DASH to a single function... as a HYIP (High-yield investment program) ponzi, aka Masternodes |
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Next step of evolution in trollmetamorphose: trolling before announcement!  the announcement was like.. 6 months ago haha |
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Woohoo.. Warp is alive again. Lets see what will happen. I am curious!
Welcome back, Shape!
o cmon. he ran out of the money from the last dump on you retards, and is starting the hype for the next. grow a brain, jesus... +1 He's an out-and-out scammer. Anyone buying this crap now deserves what they get for enabling him to continue his rinse-repeat cycle of hyping, dumping and disappearing. disappearing = buying hehe |
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This project needs more devs to take on Evan
Evan can make an army of devs and shills but they cannot destroy Dashcoin DSH besides, as long as Bytecoin is being developed DSH gets a free ride. we don't know what might happen if Bytecoin dies, lot's of maybes. Every Cryptonote clone without big modifications can offer what Dashcoin offers. The scripts for creating Dashcoin are public and others are taking advantage. We need more devs/avtivity if we want Dashcoin not to be left behind. Dashcoin survived Evan and Co. sabotage because it is simply a 100% bytecoin clone without the premine. if DSH is a fork that constantly needs a developer, the coin would simply die because nobody would continue development after a sabotage like what Evan and Co did. Dashcoin continues development, that's what brings life to this coin. i would agree in needing more devs if Bytecoin died/no more development, then DSH should stop being a clone and continue the development of Bytecoin code from "Dashcoin a 100% Bytecoin image without the premine" to "Dashcoin the rebirth of Bytecoin without the premine" |
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