bigrcanada must have gone wild and loose in his wine cellar  hey buddy..count how many fingers are raised?  on a side note: if this thread was some sort of medieval battle ground, i wouldn't take on bigr..he is too big for me..maybe dnealor and fluffypony can both club this guy down....me? I will stick to my crossbow. a reminder to newbs.. take a look at these creatures before taking this thread seriously DASH - Love at first sight user accounts [Looking Beyond the Hype] bigrcanada is in the list..you can at least give him a little more tolerance and understanding, he needs it.  |
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if that 1080ti is already here in my country i would buy it....the 1080ti founders here is more expensive than that MSI 1080 ti (all 1080ti's here are still founders edition.) I'm going for Zotac 1080 amp extreme. my judgement is based from that card having better (huge) cooler and higher clocks. also gonna try for ASUS ROG STRIX-GTX1080-A8G-GAMING..(it is on its way thru shipping, just bought one) manufacturers have different 1080s and they have different clocks. after building a 1080 rig, if i'm satisfied with nvidia I'll build another rig for 1080 ti.. i think if you can go for 1080ti instead of 1080 rig..they are both GDDRX5 and the margin of performance between 1080 and 1080ti justifies the price(huge enough)....unlike the 390 and 390x price back then. I have these two on notify: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126186https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168141371132 of these cards should get me 1200 hash on moderate settings 4 rx 480's 8gb do 1200 hash which is 4 slots vs 2 price is about 1500 nvidia vs 1000 amd power is about 400 nvidia vs 600 amd not sure about this figure 1080 ti founders can hit 700 plus hash(i think i read it in 1080 vs 1080ti thread), these 1080 ti have higher clocks so at moderate settings, maybe it stays at 700 hash at least..that would be 1400 hash for 2..power and space wise, i think it is a win win found a 1080 ti here...gigabyte aorus 1080 ti extreme edition which is about $120 more expensive than the 1080 ti's you mentioned...I might try one. |
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if that 1080ti is already here in my country i would buy it....the 1080ti founders here is more expensive than that MSI 1080 ti (all 1080ti's here are still founders edition.) I'm going for Zotac 1080 amp extreme. my judgement is based from that card having better (huge) cooler and higher clocks. also gonna try for ASUS ROG STRIX-GTX1080-A8G-GAMING..(it is on its way thru shipping, just bought one) manufacturers have different 1080s and they have different clocks. after building a 1080 rig, if i'm satisfied with nvidia I'll build another rig for 1080 ti.. i think if you can go for 1080ti instead of 1080 rig..they are both GDDRX5 and the margin of performance between 1080 and 1080ti justifies the price(huge enough)....unlike the 390 and 390x price back then. |
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You miss the point.
DSH and DASH different coins.
DSH doesn't have any masternodes.
My bad, I meant DASH sorry... Still applies, check coincap.io DSH has no premine... you are right about majority of coins of DSH is already mined, but that's 3 years of mining and counting...I think it is still more fair compared to many coins that were mined in a week, a month to few months, some even turned from POW to POS after all coins (or majority of coins) were mined. (note: some of these coins succeeded on different levels waaaay above DSH market capitalization) many DSH were mined and it's in the free market, that's why it is cheap.. |
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That's all you've got to say? I guess so. When there's nothing to say, der just ain't nutin to say. Keep drinking the Kool Aid. You are smarter than some though as it's better than putting your foot in your mouth like those who then dedicate their time to deleting their nonsense (instead of just keeping the trap shut in the first place!). This one's from your fearless leader (or would that be mindless . . .): When I studied for my series 65, I came by some information about why trading sort term doesn't work long term. It's all based on internal bias, the people all eventually go broke (or more likely they tread water when you include the fees in the mix). It's really difficult to do it correctly, it's much easier to find projects you agree with on a philosophical level, fundamental level, then just put your money on them. If your vision of the future is correct and you're aligned with the correct concepts you'll make money and the free market will work properly.
We need traders, but it's like we need miners. Neither make money on the network until they're expert level.
Trading only works well for the 5% who are capable of limiting their decision making to strict probabilistic analysis. The rest should employ longer term buy and hold, dollar cost averaging, and balanced portfolio strategies. As for the rest of what you say, I guess we just need to give you guru status and drink the Kool Aid, right? "Philosophical level", "fundamental level", and be "aligned with the correct concepts", hey that's some good shit you're smokin' there! And as for miners not making money until they're experts, uh, how does that work? You must be a genius cause that's just way over my head.  It's clear why this zero-talent dufftard needed to instamine in the first place with logic like that no miner is expert enough for market manipulation like this. Being that the GPU's are joining the game we wanted to redefine the difficulty/reward curve to be the same as it was in the prior phase of mining. This involves a fork to apply a new rewards curve to above a difficulty of 75, and scales at a rate similar to the growth rate seen in other GPU coins. The new formula for GPUs is 2222222/(((x+2600)/9)^2) with a block reward max of 25 and a minimum of 5. This will provide a very interesting incentive for GPUs to jump on earlier while the rewards are high, and it will ensure that the CPU miners coins remain valuable for the foreseeable future, while making this coin a more scarce and a limited resource. if(nHeight >= 17000 && dDiff > 75) { // GPU/ASIC difficulty calc
// 2222222/(((x+2600)/9)^2)
nSubsidy = (2222222.0 / (pow((dDiff+2600.0)/9.0,2.0)));
if (nSubsidy > 25) nSubsidy = 25;
if (nSubsidy < 5) nSubsidy = 5;
} else { // CPU mining calc
nSubsidy = (11111.0 / (pow((dDiff+51.0)/6.0,2.0)));
if (nSubsidy > 500) nSubsidy = 500;
if (nSubsidy < 25) nSubsidy = 25;
}Anyone using a windows wallet should update: http://darkcoin.io/downloads/darkcoin-qt.exeTo recompile from source, download from here: https://github.com/evan82/darkcoin Thanks PS. thanks to Kaene for helping out with the new formula! also pointing the 84M total supply to about 20M total supply reduction of DASH. ...no breakthrough in ASIC technology can beat the instamine ponzi masternodes from minting coins. |
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I am assembling a 1080 rig...will post info here about my findings
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Coming Soon to Dash: COLLATERALIZED MINING Moar Ponzilicious goodness! Now Miners must also help artificially pump demand for Dash, just for the privilege of helping secure the network. What a great way to create a huge disincentive for anyone to contribute their hashpower. What's next, requiring regular users who want to send or receive transactions to "lock in" a certain amount of Dash? Oh I know, let's also require posts on the Dash Slack and Forum to "lock in" a certain amount of Dash! Ponzify All The Things!!!  Thats not a bad idea, you'd have to buy some Dash to keep trolling us Please do not quote the morons. I know you mean well, but I'll quote whatever I like, cheers Why is it so hard to have an intelligent conversation about Dash's collateralized mining feature? Is there any particular reason you guys are trying so hard to avoid discussing it? If collateralized mining is such a great idea, why the reluctance to engage in a conversation about it? Why not move the discussions to other platforms outside of the Bitcoin echo chambers? The reason Dash is about to hit $20 is becaue we all have let the scam build up to this level. And it's up to us as community members to shut it down before alot of people lose alot of money... More on the subject: https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@thedashguy/warning-why-i-don-t-trust-the-price-of-dash-nor-the-community-be-careful-folks-invest-wisely-diversifycommunity of heavily invested psychopaths like macroshit? apparently DASH proponents found it deceiving (inflated growth) by locking coins away (masternodes)..now they want miners to lock coins too.. maybe it's a transition to full blown POS? because.. - however DASH price pumps it is still more profitable to mine other coins (POS masternodes got majority of the coins). I remember when LEOcoin switched to POS since nobody is mining that shit anymore haha.. how many DASH is in circulation? How many XMR is in circulation?...think about that folks. anyway..as you said And it's up to us as community members you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space.
Is this "Collateralized Mining" scheme still going to happen? Is Evan going to use his 256,000 Instamined coins to make sure nobody else is able to mine Dash? 256,000? bullshit.. youtube clip: evan: i have only 3 computers!!! yes, 3 computers and Amazon EC2!
 my mining rigs from 2013 have some interesting files.  no wonder i can't mine during early days and left...(i thought trying gpu mining in march, 2014 was my earliest attempt to mine darkcoin LOL)...tried with my GPUs in march 2014..and still I left due to block reward reduction (I learned about the instamine...etc)...Evan planned it all. |
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Lol you guys still hodling dash? LOL forgot about other altcoin that rised and are now dead? Go back to btc while you still can. Make no mistake. Dash is decreasing everyday. Get out before others get out. Dont get trapped. Anyway good luck hodling Dash. Dont complain that nobody warned you.
So many naysayers have come and gone, saying the same thing for years. If I had listened to people like you, I wouldn't be paying off my student loans in full right now (while still being able to keep my Masternode for the future). Odds are, all of us old hands will likely never be underwater again. I do feel a little bad for the newcomers having to deal with the trolling (that we are all so used to). Yeah, I've been lucky that I haven't been underwater ever since I first bought mine around 80 cents in March 2014. Sold for the first time, about 200 DASH near the ATH a couple of weeks ago, and even then it was hard to let go knowing there's still so much potential here. wow never thought there are still rats to catch around raze182 into the rat cage you go --> DASH - Love at first sight user accounts [Looking Beyond the Hype]when people goes like this.. Excuse me?
This is bullshit accusations?
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Are you guys for real?
Now, I'm serious here. This is ridiculous and I'm not going to play.
Good-bye and good riddance.
....just look at my fine creatures in the rat cage and you will be enlightened |
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GTX 980ti is viable on some coins - but keep in mind that it's generation-old Maxwell technology, so the power usage is quite a bit higher for similar performance *in most usage* to a current GTX 1070.
Lowest cost GTX 1070s from NewEgg are commonly $379 (Gigabyte ITX shortie version is regular priced at that, and there are usually 2-4 more of varied make/model "full size" GTX 1070 on sale at any given time at that price point) while the Zotac "mini" is at $539 right now. I do still see a few "lagging price" 1070 in the $530+ range, but I suspect those will all eventually drop except for the ones with a water-cooler setup.
Per PCI-E specs, a single 8 pin connector is good for 150 watts + 75 watts can be drawn from the bus power connection.
The GTX 1080 is normally rated at 180 watts TDP (which is the same for the Zotac, and was the original spec on the Founders Edition) - I suspect the Zotac is going to be heat-limited to a degree on overclocking due to the small size HS/fan setup as much as by the max power that can be drawn.
they will go down in price for sure(all cards do)...as always, i do not know when, but i like to own them now and mine these price differences are somehow negligible to me, its like mining or buying coins.. and when the time you are about to sell the price increases or decreases- the wins or losses we can take..its the nature of the world we live in, specially in the cryptosphere...i'm buying the model with the best cooler(also better clocked) zotac amp extreme 1080. my mining room is getting crowded, so i need the most sol/s per card, lets say i'm paying a little bit more for space. |
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Is it true that ZEC needs more than 4gb Vram?
my 280x has 3gb vram @ Amph take a look at zotac 1080 mini, it only has 1x 8pin pcie, TDP is lower among other 1080s and priced almost the same as 1070s...might perform better than 1070s for ZEC.. having gddr5x compared to 1070s might be a plus too...I am considering it as a 1070 budget wise. The Zotac 1080 "mini" is priced at a significant PREMIUM to current pricing on a lot of other 1080 models - and is NOWHERE NEAR 1070 pricing for most 1070 cards. It's also not all THAT small - 9" long appx. vs 10-11 for most other 1080s. For a TRUE mini card, the Gigabyte "ITX" 1070 7" appx long is still the go-to option IMO - at $150 less than the Zotac IIRC as of this morning when I was checking prices on NewEgg. GDDRx5 seems to be a small minus for ZEC mining, though the extra cores on the 1080 do seem to help some on ZEC vs the 1070. thanks for the info.. (brand new).. the cheapest 1070 here is $440, some are about the same price or more expensive then zotac 1080 mini ($510), ranges from $ 496 to $ 558 , most expensive 1070 here is EVGA GTX 1070 FTW ACX 3.0. how about the 980 ti..are they still good? specially compared to rx 480? saw a review in youtube about zotac 1080 mini, although it only uses one 8pin pcie (i assumed it uses less power and less heat...maybe), but temps turned me off about 20c difference to galax 1080 HOF... i think i'm going for zotac 1080 amp extreme, saw some second hand gear that's pretty new ~ $100 less than brand new...i'm not building a 50-100 gpu farm, the price difference with 1070s isn't gonna hurt me, besides gddr5x and extra cuda cores might bring advantages in the future.. ..like when people are buying rx 470/480 with 4gb and now they are upgrading again to 8gb, or the time when people are not buying fury series GPU due to its HBM not having advantage for ETH mining.......the cards i will be buying will stay with me for a long time like my 280X's which ROI'd many times..so I'll get the better one.. |
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what's happening? ..............everyone knows the 100% clone of Bytecoin with 0 premine and a fair launch |
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Is it true that ZEC needs more than 4gb Vram?
my 280x has 3gb vram @ Amph take a look at zotac 1080 mini, it only has 1x 8pin pcie, TDP is lower among other 1080s and priced almost the same as 1070s...might perform better than 1070s for ZEC.. having gddr5x compared to 1070s might be a plus too...I am considering it as a 1070 budget wise. The Zotac 1080 "mini" is priced at a significant PREMIUM to current pricing on a lot of other 1080 models - and is NOWHERE NEAR 1070 pricing for most 1070 cards. It's also not all THAT small - 9" long appx. vs 10-11 for most other 1080s. For a TRUE mini card, the Gigabyte "ITX" 1070 7" appx long is still the go-to option IMO - at $150 less than the Zotac IIRC as of this morning when I was checking prices on NewEgg. GDDRx5 seems to be a small minus for ZEC mining, though the extra cores on the 1080 do seem to help some on ZEC vs the 1070. thanks for the info.. (brand new).. the cheapest 1070 here is $440, some are about the same price or more expensive then zotac 1080 mini ($510), ranges from $ 496 to $ 558 , most expensive 1070 here is EVGA GTX 1070 FTW ACX 3.0. how about the 980 ti..are they still good? specially compared to rx 480? |
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he should time travel to year 2050, buy laptop. go back to year 2017..mine=profit!
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Is it true that ZEC needs more than 4gb Vram?
my 280x has 3gb vram @ Amph take a look at zotac 1080 mini, it only has 1x 8pin pcie, TDP is lower among other 1080s and priced almost the same as 1070s...might perform better than 1070s for ZEC.. having gddr5x compared to 1070s might be a plus too...I am considering it as a 1070 budget wise. |
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your strategy is only possible because of zero electricity, otherwise you would earn much less per month, because the consumption for all those old amd are very high and kill half if not more, of the profit
currently you can make $2k per month(this require accurate selection of the coin you mine, private trading, some times holding etc...) with 2 rig of 1070, so i have your same ROI but i also pay electricity....
your constant shilling of 1070s is making me want to buy some of that LOL.. with the release of 1080 ti, enthusiast gamers are selling for an upgrade and an enthusiast miner (me) is enticed by the price from these second hand gear. OP's zero electricity is his leverage to jump start his mining venture...getting the highest possible hashrate for the cheapest hardware he can get, after ROI and beyond the free 3kw, he can start with the efficiency strategy..imagine him buying 1070s one at a time from profit, and long term he might sell those old cards and upgrade to much newer and efficient gear. |
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Interesting discussions as always here Personally, I'm not sure i would invest in an Nvidia monster rig, mainly because it seems like you would be paying a premium AND limiting yourself since ZEC seems to be the only coin that is mined better on Nvidia (if I'm not mistaken). Plus, it always seems like when new coins come out, the first miners (at least ones made by Claymore) are usually for Radeon cards. i'm already loaded with AMD's..maybe its diversifying with cards, nvidia is better at some algos compared to AMD. i'm also looking at powerful gpus (bigger hash), my mining room is getting filled, imagine a 2x 300 sols card vs 1x 600 sols card, you save half the space and...imagine if i can only fit 8 cards more, thats 600 sols x8 instead of 300 sols x8. thinking about getting fury, fury X, 1080 ti, 1070 , 1080...or wait for vega (HBM2). you know what...my biggest earner in the last few months is not my GPUs, it's my socket 775 intel quad core CPUs LOL!, mining pascalcoin, the first GPU miner that came out was nvidia, second is AMD. or.....i'm expanding in the attic, i'm having plans in my head lately |
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Has anyone been keeping track of 1070s vs 1080s vs 1080 TIs with respect to ZEC (or any other Nvidia-friendly algorithm) and recent price drops and availability?
I, myself, have been 100% AMD. However, it is another form of diversification to buy and mine the other cards, no? Thoughts?
i'm looking into it..the power efficiency seems enticing, i don't care if it ROI a bit longer than AMDs as long as it gives me higher hashrate per watt and space, my mining room is getting filled..i'll buy a rack and put nvidia GPUs there. i mentioned "space"...let's say only 10 gpus can fit in an area, if 10 can do 600 sols each that's 6000sols, imagine if your card can only do 300 sols, that is only 3000 sols in that area.. Someone in the ZEC forum, showcased with 6 x 1070s mining ZEC with EWBF, if not mistaken it was at 500sols/s per card! But it seems that only ZEC algo is fitting nicely into the current NVIDIA architecture .... other hot algo like ETH and XMR still has AMD tops and cheaper too. IMHO, while ETH is most profitable now, nearing POS by 2018, will ZEC will have a longer life? ZEC at 64 bucks now may get several boost higher towards ETH pos. And we know ZEC have tried $ price levels even higher than 1000 bucks before. With BTC drama on Segwit vs BU, the pressure to position a likely successor may well be ZEC. If ZEC benefits from above.... I think its worth while exploring and investing in a NVIDIA ZEC monster rig. I have a rig of 1070s at 500 sols they will be using too much power, you can do a 70% power limite and mine at 460 sols for 85 watt per card best setting i found. 1070s are just too expensive thoufg can the 1080 ti almost double the hashrate of 1070? specially when zotac, msi, asus etc.. have released their custom coolers..if that's true, then i'll go with 1080 ti. I'll qoute this from 1080 vs 1080ti thread... its jumping between 230-291W..mean according to meter is 245W in 24h of mining zec at these settings @765sol/s
So it is probably not optimized well yet? But 245w for 765 at the wall is decent efficiency  . That is the price of two 1070 that do 880 at 250W, so not that far off for (top)high-end card. (but you also have higher overheads with the 1070) Sofar the GTX1080TI FE is a nice buy do not regret it :-D
Yes the miner not yet optimized for it..the card utilisation is at around 75% compared to 1080 .
Interesting to 100% optimized maybe reach 1000 h/s in miner ZCash  |
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Has anyone been keeping track of 1070s vs 1080s vs 1080 TIs with respect to ZEC (or any other Nvidia-friendly algorithm) and recent price drops and availability?
I, myself, have been 100% AMD. However, it is another form of diversification to buy and mine the other cards, no? Thoughts?
i'm looking into it..the power efficiency seems enticing, i don't care if it ROI a bit longer than AMDs as long as it gives me higher hashrate per watt and space, my mining room is getting filled..i'll buy a rack and put nvidia GPUs there. i mentioned "space"...let's say only 10 gpus can fit in an area, if 10 can do 600 sols each that's 6000sols, imagine if your card can only do 300 sols, that is only 3000 sols in that area.. |
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1070 is cheaper by $15 to $20 basically price unchanged 500 series is just a
rebadge of the rx 400 series nothing to see there
1080 ti and vega... well its the second hand gear of 1070's that are getting enticing.. |
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rx 500 series and vega is coming..1070 became cheaper and 1080 ti is here
i think it is only good to buy these multi gpu miners if there is still plenty of time before the release of next generation of GPU chips.. the first batch was still a bit early.
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