Cuban crisis, you mean during the cold war? I can certainly see why you understand Putin and even seem to agree that he has some short of right over Ukraine - particularly the right to not let them choose. You are both thinking of a world that does no longer exist.
Practical example: I go to my neighbour and tell him that he cannot have a dog, despite there are now laws on the matter. He gets a dog. According to you, now I have the right to enter his house and kill the dog because, let's say, I am stronger and have a knife.
Putin had the occasion to be part of the world as an economic power with diplomatic links to large bits of Europe and could have become again a real powerhouse. Putin failed, this war is the tantrum of the kid that lost the game by his own incompetence to move his nation to a future of prosperity.
I can only wonder if you're so naive, or you think we're naive...funny part is that Putin addressed ALL of your points in his interview, but sadly, you don't watch youtube Well, thank you, it is probably the first time someone calls me naive. Again, Putin say A but Putin does B. You intend to find the answer in A. Is not there. If you think that any truth comes out of his mouth your may be actually cutely naive. Information provided by the enemy is never information (first rule of war, and you should know). |
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Putin is not a mad dictator, he is simply a guy from another age and a Russian supremacist, like our troll be.open here. He is not mad, he understands his acts and the consequences, it is his ethics and understanding of the world, that is still anchored on the cold war and Russian supremacy that are causing this.
You clearly didn't watch his interview You clearly believe what he says, not what he does. ....
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Sure. Of course I do...he said he will have to attack Ukraine if they continue to cross what he called "red lines" ...and he did Ukraine also said they will continue to provoke him, no matter what, and they did. Both sides were on collision path, too bad there was no good will to back off, like during Cuban crisis Cuban crisis, you mean during the cold war? I can certainly see why you understand Putin and even seem to agree that he has some short of right over Ukraine - particularly the right to not let them choose. You are both thinking of a world that does no longer exist. Practical example: I go to my neighbour and tell him that he cannot have a dog, despite there are now laws on the matter. He gets a dog. According to you, now I have the right to enter his house and kill the dog because, let's say, I am stronger and have a knife. Putin had the occasion to be part of the world as an economic power with diplomatic links to large bits of Europe and could have become again a real powerhouse. Putin failed, this war is the tantrum of the kid that lost the game by his own incompetence to move his nation to a future of prosperity. |
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Putin is not a mad dictator, he is simply a guy from another age and a Russian supremacist, like our troll be.open here. He is not mad, he understands his acts and the consequences, it is his ethics and understanding of the world, that is still anchored on the cold war and Russian supremacy that are causing this.
You clearly didn't watch his interview You clearly believe what he says, not what he does. ....
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Sure. ... Geneva convention uh? While all 196 countries comply with the Geneva conventions, in 2019, Russia withdrew itself from Article 90 of protocol 1. This article expects the country to oblige and comply with any international fact-finding mission. I wonder why. You see, the only proof of Putin following the Geneva convention is... your word. Did US sign it? Or you holding Russia to higher standards than US? Big powers are fighting, war is hell, innocent people that are stuck in the middle die. So far civilian deaths are relatively low for the war this size. One side dominates control of the media, so huge efforts are extended to keep up the moral and try to manage surrenders. Top generals are sacked for treason, mayors declared traitors, videos of military police roughing up alleged saboteurs in civilian clothes, 500k Ukrainian refugees went to Russia etc... Who really cares what's proven true/false in few months, when you need to survive today. Ukraine needs more Russian Warship Go Fuck Yourself moments, just as Russia needs more videos of tictoc battalion doing cool things I do not hold anyone to a particular standard other than not providing misleading information. It Putin is saying there are no crimes, I, with the information I have currently, disagree. In so far as I am concern, US presidents and troops have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity and denied it. That does not give others the right to do the same. From a practical perspective, the US is not threating Europe and, for me, Attacking a democracy is not the same as attacking a despotic regime. |
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2. What kind of oblong object similar to a hand grenade launcher shoots this "civilian" from behind at about 0:49?
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Are you suggesting that this cyclist was trying to attack a column of armoured vehicles an a number of soldiers on his own? There are satellite pictures of independent sources that place the corpses there, there is footage,... As said, if you need further confirmation I suggest you travel there yourself. You have nothing to fear from Putin's troops right? They would not shoot you being a civilian right?
Mariupol is a big separate story. Now Ukrainian marines are quite actively surrendering there, and Russian soldiers treat them within the framework of the Geneva Convention.
Geneva convention uh? While all 196 countries comply with the Geneva conventions, in 2019, Russia withdrew itself from Article 90 of protocol 1. This article expects the country to oblige and comply with any international fact-finding mission. I wonder why. You see, the only proof of Putin following the Geneva convention is... your word. ... And as be.open pointed out, one of main questions you should ask yourself after any such incident would be "who benefits the most" I always laughed when Assad supposedly gassed civilians AFTER the battle, since he would obviously had to be idiot to do it AFTER he won, or actually do it at all. But all my western friends blindly followed USA propaganda and would not believe even "corrupted UN officials" (their words) who would find that rebels did it Edit: also, whoever don't want to follow "mad dictator" narrative should watch Oliver Stone extensive interview with Putin to find (some) of the Russia motives https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBh-ivZ5C-wits long, so whoever find it easier to not use few brain cells, feel free to continue with "mad dictator" narrative Who benefits the most? Certainly not the guy in the bike. Don't get me wrong, I do know what propaganda can make, but if there is footage, independent satellite imagery, witnesses,... What do you exactly need to rekon? I guess the answer is that it does not matter what evidence is presented in this or any other case, you will ignore it or doubt it (they are actors, is a setup, my interpretation is different, it cannot be clearly seen,...). It must be so hard for you guys trying to force facts to fit into your beliefs. Playing the sceptic is super-cool, you think you are smarter and see what others cannot and you can say "I told you" when you are right, and at the same time nothing happens if you do not. I encourage you to put your feet where your doubts are. Putin is not a mad dictator, he is simply a guy from another age and a Russian supremacist, like our troll be.open here. He is not mad, he understands his acts and the consequences, it is his ethics and understanding of the world, that is still anchored on the cold war and Russian supremacy that are causing this. |
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80 years have passed and Russians are doing the same exact thing. Same people, same mentality, different times.
This is not something unique to Russians. I bet almost all aggressors and genocidal maniacs have at some point reacted in such a way and denied or minimized their atrocities, or even claimed they were never committed. For example, after the Bosnian genocide in the 1990s, when it was shown that a staggering 8,000 Muslims had been massacred in a matter of several days, the Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic first denied that any war crimes had taken place, and then justified it by claiming that all the victims were Bosnian army forces and they were all killed in a firefight. Likewise, when the Rohingya have been massacred by the Burmese military, the Burmese president, Aung San Suu Kyi, dismissed these crimes as "fake news" and said the Rohingyas were attacking themselves. These examples could go on for pages, but the point is, in every instance when independent investigators finally do investigate these crimes and documents them, the aggressor and their enablers denounce the proceedings as "fake," or claim they never occurred. Certainly, the perpetrators rarely admit it if ever. But on this game (not a game really) of accusation and denial in the end there are countries that will believe it, some other will believe it and pretend they don't and some others will not care, yet this will not be indifferent when trying to negotiate or open diplomacy - it does have some weight and does not play in favour of removing sanctions. |
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Meanwhile on the other side of the country civilians are also being killed and Russian propaganda is working on new excuses: https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/978134-mariupol-likvidaciya-dezertiryBC Poccии ликвидиpoвaли 93 yкpaинcкиx дeзepтиpa, кoтopыe бeжaли из Mapиyпoля в гpaждaнcкoй oдeждe, зaявил нaчaльник Haциoнaльнoгo цeнтpa yпpaвлeния oбopoнoй Poccии гeнepaл-пoлкoвник Mиxaил Mизинцeв. The Russian Armed Forces liquidated 93 Ukrainian deserters who fled from Mariupol in civilian clothes, said Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev, head of the Russian National Defense Control Center. Not sure if they had the supposed deserters in custody, i.e. they executed prisoners of war, or they just shot at civilians from a distance, but either case sounds like an admission of a war crime. Do they say deserters? That is effectively killing civilians, as they do not have weapons and seem to have given up the army? The only case in which they could potentially be executed is if they were still combatants without uniform (AKA spies / saboteurs) and it would require trial. What acts are war crimes?
War crimes are defined by the Geneva Conventions, the precedents of the Nuremberg Tribunals, an older area of law referred to as the Laws and Customs of War, and, in the case of the former Yugoslavia, the statutes of the International Criminal Tribunal in The Hague (ICTY).
War crimes fall into three groups - or four if you include genocide.
Crimes against peace
planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances
participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the above
War crimes
Violations of the laws or customs of war, including:
Atrocities or offences against persons or property, constituting violations of the laws or customs of war
murder, ill treatment or deportation to slave labour or for any other purpose of the civilian population in occupied territory
murder or ill treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the seas
killing of hostages
torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments
plunder of public or private property
wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages
devastation not justified by military necessity
Crimes against humanity
Atrocities and offences committed against any civilian population, before or during the war, including:
murder
extermination
enslavement
deportation
mass systematic rape and sexual enslavement in a time of war
other inhumane acts
persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated
Responsibility for such crimes
Leaders, organisers, instigators and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit any of the crimes above are criminally responsible for everything done by anyone in carrying out such a plan.
Superior orders
The fact that a person was obeying an order of his Government or of a superior does not free him from responsibility, but can be considered and may reduce the appropriate punishment. Of these, crimes against peace are quite clear, also these three war crimes are certain: plunder of public or private property
wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages
devastation not justified by military necessity On crimes against humanity, I think that "murder" is certain, "deportation" seems likely, "other inhuman acts" quite likely. I do not think there is really a way to talk Putin's way out of these - I mean, credible way. |
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On this case, it look quite unintentional and the proof given makes sense, it could be an UKR vehicle. One case does not make a story and in a digital world there will be many other documents to examine. My personal take is that there has been plenty of intentional civil killing and war crimes and the ones near Kyiv seem clear and well documented. Whatever that brand of car is, I want one. |
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Worry not, there facts are documented to exhaustion as today is easy to get a satellite image and literally anyone older than 10 years has a phone with recording capabilities. If you are right, it will be known... sadly, it simply appears that the frustrated army forces in the area just went psycho on the poor defenceless civilians and that is certainly not a war, but plain assassination.
You see, Stalin was able to hide massacres from Russian people even after he died, Putin does not enjoy such a luxury.
It is interesting that you side with one side, and disregard what other side says, yet accuse everyone here. I have no problem to admit that I don't know, as I saw all the evidence from Ukraine side, but I also saw https://www.bitchute.com/video/6ZHPL2pTuadJ/and Ukraine true/lie track record so far seems a bit bad I am absolutely sure that Ukraine is doing propaganda from their side at full speed. However, even in the fog of war, you do have certain sources and facts that have a reasonable degree of credibility. It is clear that Putin's army fled the proximities of Kyiv, it is clear that they are not publishing the true extent of the dead soldiers and it is clear that crimes have been committed. I do not disregard comments about Ukraine's behaviour, probably there are individuals or groups that may not have their hands clean and if that is the case, it will be documented and eventually, accredited. I have not seen any evidence accredited of any of the (quite incredible) claims Putin's has made (e.g. bioweapons). This is the only reason why I am writing here, wasting my time for free every day, although it would be wiser for me to remain silent. I just don't like lies.
Same here...just can't stand lies and hypocrisy...as war itself is not horrible enough Its not that Russians are not to blame, but we're witnessing media warfare never seen before, and it often requires of us to be idiots to swallow it (Ghost of Kiev, Russians driving tanks in Kiev over civil cars on day 1 of invasion etc) On the civil cars being overrun... well at least there is one recorded evidence of one case. It did not seem intended, yet there it was. |
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... According to my estimates, a grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine numbering up to 15 thousand people is blocked in Mariupol, in the port area and at the Azovstal plant. Under Azovstal there is a whole underground city with many floors, in which there are a lot of interesting things that it is impossible or impractical to simply bomb and blow up, so it is being stormed by the marines and Kadyrov's Chechen militants, together with the people's militia of Donbass. Rumor has it that the Russians have captured US Major General Roger L. Cloutier Jr. and many more NATO troops are trapped in a bunker near Azovstal. They also say that there is a huge bio-laboratory where they conducted experiments on living people abducted from the Donbass. There is a version that there is a disassembled nuclear warhead, but I find it conspiratorial. I think the bunker will be taken soon and we will find out what is really there. Oh my god! According to your estimates? Do you think they were also eating newborns, according to your estimates? You miss in here the keywords "nazi", "drugs", "gayrope", ... your controllers are not going to be happy. Seriously now, the level of ineffectiveness shown by Putin's army has not precisely increased its reputation. Is like if you want to bully the weak guy on the school and you come home with a broken nose and still call it a "victory" and then go and tell the rest of the guys "learn from that". I would be laughing if it weren't for all the soldiers and civilian losses in both sides.
Objective facts show that in 48 hours Ukraine lost its navy and significant losses in the air fleet, and in 72 hours it was thrown back from the border with Russia by 100-150 kilometers, [blah Russia conquered this and that....] So, the success was such that have decided it is enough and withdraw from Kyiv? There is no text or talking that can defeat facts. The Donbas and the south are, as of now, controlled by Putin's army at a great cost and only near their bases. That's all and that is at the cost of more than 15000 young soldiers (and a few seasoned generals) and costly military equipment. This is very difficult to sell as a victory (because is not, mostly). In Bucha, this is definitely a staged fake of Ukrainian propaganda, filmed on professional film equipment. Here is a video of the cleansing of Bucha by the Ukrainian police, there, for the whole time, a corpse in military uniform flashed in the frame once, there are no civilian corpses there. The decision to provocation under a false flag was apparently made by Ukraine later. I think you're being fooled, just like when you were so sure that the reason Russia hadn't surrounded Kiev was because they wanted to let civilians escape and only a fool would think Kiev had any chance against the mighty Russian military. ... There is one clear revealing fact: a number of high ranking Russian generals dying and other being demoted and dismissed. That does not happen when you win. You cannot lie your way out of the disaster. There was a clear intention of deposing the government and failed, simply because Kyiv resisted and have no doubt, all the world has seen how Russia has lost their regional leadership status thanks to Putin. The Russian army did look mighty... before this war. Now looks like a corrupt mob, full of untrained soldiers, corrupt officials, demotivated tank crews leaving their equipment to run, crews sabotaging their own vehicles,... Putin's work all of it. On war crimes, worry not, there facts are documented to exhaustion as today is easy to get a satellite image and literally anyone older than 10 years has a phone with recording capabilities. If you are right, it will be known... sadly, it simply appears that the frustrated army forces in the area just went psycho on the poor defenceless civilians and that is certainly not a war, but plain assassination. You see, Stalin was able to hide massacres from Russian people even after he died, Putin does not enjoy such a luxury. Now, I agree with the article. The NYT article that shows your pictures is clear: bodies where there long before the UKR army arrived https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/world/europe/bucha-ukraine-bodies.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimesComments intending to discredit are just taken out of the propaganda machine, there is no backing to them. |
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It is just like the continuous pattern repetition on the post, people speaking of the issues in the Donbas, as if Putin could care at all about the actual people living in there and if they could, if ever given a honestly free choice - not like the "referendums" held, chose to join this or that country without any consequence.
This war is unrelated to nazism, will of people, the president being this or that,... it is simply a power-grab from Putin because he has failed to bring the old soviet controlled countries back under his Tzardom by offering an appealing alliance or economic advantages. This is simply absolutism and supremacism (I am so surprised he uses the nazi argument on others).
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Alaska has oil.
Yes, it was Russia's until they sold it to the US, but it istoo cold. War crowdfunding is all about hype, so it is going nowhere if the destination is unappealing. I don't think it could get any more appealing. This now looks like a rock-solid certainty. Crazy old Putin continues his westward expansion by starting at his eastern border and then crossing the international date line. He lunges across into pristine new territory, mocks the idea of 'manifest destiny' so beloved of those decadent corrupt capitalist dogs, and is able to declare victory at home. Throw in some oil* as an added bonus, and it becomes too alluring a target to ignore. There's only one way to stop this madman. Time to rally behind Sarah Palin... Build The Wall! Build The Wall! * Please put it in barrels first, that stuff can get messy.You see, Putin could have chosen an oil rich region, but instead he went for the beautiful Black Sea, warm, nice and ideal for lifestyle - that is the type of lateral thinking that will take your project to financing success. Now, you need to change the plan to "operation", so you would be crowdfunding an "special military operation" - if you want to do this right, you need to learn from the best sociopaths and criminals like Putin. |
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... Well, I do not agree, but every insult you throw to the guy that actually resisted Putin is backfiring, you know?
Zelensky is a mediocre actor, but his success in the political arena once again clearly showed that public politics is show business. ... [blah blah Ukraine lies and fakes...] So, following your argument, Putin's army is super-mighty and Russia super-suoer-great and they have not been resisted just by what your media define as a "gay, nazi, jewish, actor and homo" (only nazi is an insult really), but it was because he had people prepared and business people backing him up? So, your basis to consider that Europe should consider Putin's Russia's army and might a problem is just because all Europe is not ruled by drug consuming actors with well prepared people around? If you ask me, that is quite precisely how Europe is run, so seems that it is ok. Seriously now, the level of ineffectiveness shown by Putin's army has not precisely increased its reputation. Is like if you want to bully the weak guy on the school and you come home with a broken nose and still call it a "victory" and then go and tell the rest of the guys "learn from that". I would be laughing if it weren't for all the soldiers and civilian losses in both sides. |
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Seriously, Zelensky was a comedian before becoming a president. Yes, that is the guy that Putin said wanted out, threw his army after and failed.
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And already a druggie, homo-erotic dancer, and general post-Soviet billionaire Oligarch butt-boy. Anyway, I'm guessing that Putin is more than happy to have Zelensky as the titular head of Ukraine (and Biden of America) and if there will be a way to arrange for him to continue on in his present role, Putin would certainly oblige. Well, I do not agree, but every insult you throw to the guy that actually resisted Putin is backfiring, you know? Like "Putin could not deal with a drug addict comedian, homo-erotic dancer (not sure that's an insult or a hobby?) and now he is trying to find someone his age to fight with to see it that's any easier (Biden)" Rumor has it that Putin is impossible to depose because he bathes in the menstrual blood of young virgins. Yeah, nobody would get near him after that. |
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I'm not suggesting that Europe kowtow to Russia because Russia is stronger.
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Yes, it is a good idea not to say that other than in a stand-up comedy. [blah blah... Russia is great.... blah blah Russia is the greatest.... Do you want to talk about it? Of course, Russia is now stronger than the European Union in many aspects. First of all, in the military aspect... Seriously, Zelensky was a comedian before becoming a president. Yes, that is the guy that Putin said wanted out, threw his army after and failed. Are you trying the same path? I mean, becoming a comedian to then depose Putin? |
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I am asking when the WSJ published it. I am not aware of what is "the press united" but I can tell already that the title "Zelensky rejected a peace offer" is already quite interesting. - There was no war, so there cannot be a "peace offer". - "Do as I say or I will kill you" is not a peace offer, is a threat. So the title would be "Zelensky decided to resist Putin's threat instead". This goes once more to the argument of Putin deciding what can and cannot be done in Ukraine by the use of force and, somehow, blaming Ukraine for it. ...
I'm not suggesting that Europe kowtow to Russia because Russia is stronger.
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I would agree with you if we saw 100K+ demonstrations in Moscow or St. Petersburg. What we see is fringe opposition. Nothing to write home about. Just like in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s.
Smart people leave Russia in droves. What will be left are psychopaths, Homo Sovieticus conformists, and fringe opposition who cannot leave for whatever reason. Those who support Putin's regime are responsible for these war crimes.
What Russian soldiers did in Bucha is beyond comprehension. They killed thousands just in a few weeks, in one small town.
Raping women and hanging them, some were raped, stripped naked, and burned alive, killing tied-up civilians in the back.
That type of hatred towards the civilian population is on the level of Serbs' atrocities against Muslims in the 1990s, and Germans' atrocities against the Jews in the 1940s. Mass graves etc.
Putin's propaganda created monsters. The whole civilized world should cancel Russia.
It is little known, but there actually was a resistance of Germans in Germany and that taken into account that the opposition, that did exist, was incarcerated upon Hitler rising to power. In Russia, there is also opposition to war despite that one would assume that if you are only told lies you will form an opinion based on lies. We have to make sure that they also get the right facts and have, at least, something to balance the sh*t they are feed everyday. I agree with you, there are signs of terror war and atrocities in Bucha, which makes little sense to any person in his mind and I understand how you feel. And I am sure that, unfortunately, more is yet to be found in Mariupol and possibly in smaller villages. I was expecting that it would happen as Putin's army was obviously unsuccessful and the generals would no doubt be considering terrorism as a way of revenge, yet I hoped they somehow would think clearly of the consequences and avoid it. All war criminals can and will be identified, there is no place to hide and even if they go back to Russia they will have to live hidden and in shame as the terrorists and serial torturers they are. Haha who are we joking with? One country is invading the other country for whatever reasons it has and rest of the world is playing diplomacy, War in itself in any shape or form is a crime but tell me the last time when the winner was prosecuted for war crimes?  All these war crimes shit is just a joke, It's all up to the countries, some countries do maintain some sort of delicacy to ensure a good rapport after the war, while some don't think of all these things in war, Civilian target has always been part of major wars, was US right when it bombed Hiroshima-Nagasaki? I don't see the then president being put to trial for committing a war crime? Why? Not surprisingly, the International Court of Justice only applies against poor presidents in poor countries but never have we seen any rich country. A list of presidents in African countries actually imprisoned which is funny. No one in Africa questioned what authority is this International Court of Justice has in the Sovereign state. The International criminal court is the biggest joke of all. None of those lawyers had been tried looking at who did commit a war crime in Syria, Iraq, or in Afghanistan yet they will on Ukraine? These guys only look at the crimes of someone and not thier own crimes. You have good reasons to doubt the ICJ - they do not have a way of enforcing power and cannot judge many of the cases, however it is good that it is there - having an accusation pending in the court does have a meaning and some effects in diplomatic terms. |
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If there is no desire for peace there wont be any, simple as that.
5 days before it all started
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I normally would not answer to your post, as they seem just links for an algorithm or pure crap, but the look of this pic is just too much. Please, on which day did WJS publish this you say? In any case, again trying to put the blame on a country for simply deciding for itself where they want to be in the future, as is some divine right assisted Putin in telling them what they can or cannot do. |
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I think many of you saw photos from Buch city where streets is full of ded people, men killed with their hands tied and people buried in mass grave. Guess how Russian defense ministry reacted to it. Everything is staged and faked by Kiev to show it for foreign media and while city was under control of Russia, none of civilians weren't hurt: https://ria.ru/20220403/minoborony-1781557525.htmlThere was a fake in the maternity hospital, there was also a fake in the theater, why is it not a fake here? As Hitler said in Mein Kampf, "The more monstrous the lie, the more likely it will be believed." According to another version, this is a quote from the Goebbels manual, but radish horseradish is not sweeter. Apparently, the Ukrainian media follow the precepts of their ideological inspirers .... In your view, has Putin's army committed any war crime? The evidence found are extensive, it would take an army of people just to produce the amount of photographic material, witnesses and declarations. It is simply impossible to hide or deny. The behaviour of the troop in many locations is from criminal to sub-human and that does not happen without orders. And just so you do not feel we do not read your crap, there is also abundant evidence that both the maternity and the theatre attacks did happen, were civilians targets and are war crimes, but that is only but the tip of what is being found. Now, you can move on to the "excuse & whatabout" department of your controllers to provide more excuses and "whattabouts", but the problem of crimes in an modern country with good comms, good satelite coverage and abundance of means to document facts is that you just cannot lie your way out of it. There will be reports, these will be issued by credible organisations and audited by neutral parties and there will be no way that anyone with access to reasonably independent media will believe Putins parallel reality. And make no mistake, there are consequences of having a country ruled by a known war criminal. ... Even if Europe does not have a better solution, this is not a reason to apply a bad solution, simply because they could not come up with anything better. Cultivating Russophobia and thereby encouraging the manifestations of Nazism in Europe is not very smart against the backdrop of the operation to "denazify" Ukraine. Europe should seriously consider its behavior towards Russia, given that Europe depends on Russia, it seems much more than Russia depends on Europe. Nazism did not fall on Ukraine from an unknown distance, Nazism was and remains the highest stage in the development of European philosophical thought - and this is a serious problem in Europe, because Nazism is unacceptable to Russia. #StopHatingRussiansEurope does not hate Russia. Europe has tried to bring Russia into the world commerce and partnerships that allow the development of countries and the progress of the people. Under Putin, Russia cannot be part of this world - imperfect yes - but of progress and (reasonable) freedom. This war has never been about Nazis. You want to drive the discussion there, but there is simply not a point to hold to. If something is clear in Europe is that Nazis are not welcome in governments. |
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There seems to be evidences of war crimes all over. Attacks on civilian targets, phosphorous munitions, cluster bombs used in civil areas and other less easy to document such as rape and murder.
To be honest, most modern wars do include war crimes in one way or another and yes, that includes US troop in some instances. Yet, as I said in other posts, that does not mean Putin and his generals should not be held responsible. One wrong does not justify other wrong.
Here are a few civilians, bound and shot for being Ukrainians: https://twitter.com/J_B_E__Zorg/status/1510005388950876168https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510372750665433089In Bucha, they just uncovered a mass grave of 280 bodies of civilians shot by the Russian military before they withdrew to Belarus. For those who understand Russian, it is not only Putin who calls for genocide, the whole of Russia wants it: https://twitter.com/J_B_E__Zorg/status/1510249786485755908https://twitter.com/J_B_E__Zorg/status/1510248120172617734I do not think the whole of the Russian population is calling for genocide. There is support for the government no doubt, and there is little counterbalance to the official version nor any hint of free speech left after so many years of Putinism. It is difficult to express a dissenting view, yet there are many Russians that have been arrested, so not all of them are in favour of the war and certainly most people are not psychopaths that would like all Ukrainians dead not children killed. War crimes are responsibility of those who order them and those who execute them. Having an opinion is not a war crime (nor a crime at all). |
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Polls and support in a country where the opposition is send to jail, there is a law that penalises with 15 years saying anything else than the "official truth" and, in general, has demolished systematically any dissenting voice means very little.
We tend to forget that one of the pillars of a Democracy is free press. The fact that a candidate is "elected" means nothing when the electorate is kept in the dark.
I agree with you. Putin destroyed free press and opposition. But even if don't beleive in polls, all things shows that majority of people support war in Ukraine. One reasons of it is that they see one truth on TV and media is washing their brain for few decades. They blame NATO and US for this war, or as @xandry said - pindos and geyropa. And these who don't support it, they keep silent because they simply fear to ruin lifes for themselves and their families. I am not sure what you consider all things in this context, despite that, there is a difference between a democracy and a despotic regime. In a democracy, the people of a country are to blame for unethical behaviours of their countries, however in a Tzardom, at most they can be blamed for not revolting or being, mostly, apathic about it. |
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