Says the skanky snitchy bitch suchmoon as she breaks my local rules and go into off topic false accusations with zero grounding. I reported your post for breaking my local rules let me see if the mod deletes it or NOT.

If it is  NOT deleted then I will wonder why my on topic and relevant posts containing FACTS and observable events WERE deleted when your false accusations with nothing on topic or relevant to the OP is NOT.

Present now then the posts I have made that contain incorrect information and "trolling" or stfu imbecile.

I am about to take my early lunch I will see what happens to your post and if it still exists there upon my return.

 

try to focus on the more important points rather than thrashing around looking for some minor irrelevant reason to post more net negative crap.... 4 years will do whatever activity you find that to be this is a general proposal ,  now if you can waste time working on a specific detail eg 1496 activity for example that can be adjusted to be 4 years or whatever is decided a long enough penalty then knock yourself out. I am in the sun typing between chapters of my book i don't have time for the non important minute stuff right now. Pathetic little twerp.

@lfc bitcoin

spam your sig elsewhere it hurts my eyes

make a rebuttal or just confess you can not and stfu.

This is a facts based post feel free to research it all yourself and let me know if you feel any of it is not correct.

We as yet have no definition of "useful post" of course if we can start making sure MERIT goes to net positive posts (which I attempted to start helping to initiate with the "what makes defines a net positive post " thread. That would be excellent and a real meritocracy could develop here. Although even good posts do not = trust in a financial sense to me anyway. I expect the very best and most dangerous scammers can present themselves very well here and make great posts far exceeding many honest members who will get a lot less merit even in a true meritocracy.

Activity is again useful for nothing really other than

1. a minimum measure of time to reach it
2. a minimum amount of activity within that time frame.

we must not apply any other meaning to it really. Time/activity though is an important factor in trust if we don't have direct trading experience with the person or can be sure they have conducted real trades with others.

I am not sure what 1500 or 2000 activity is possible in with optimal activity (minimal activity) perhaps 4 years. So let's just say that is true.

1. 4 years of history to examine
2. 4 years minimum to recover to that level if you get blacklisted for misuse of DT also will need to get the 100 earned merits all over again. I mean you could add another requirement saying hero and legends only for a greater penalty if you think you can bot to high activity and get some merit abuse to get to 100. Therefore the real earned merit once you get blacklisted to recover is going to be a LONG ROAD AHEAD.

100 earned merits (unless you are here cycling it on meta on the merit-merry-go-round is not something that is that easy. Some excellent members and FAR smarter members here have only 30 earned merits than 95% of all the top 200 merit holders. Also many of those have had far larger sums of money under their control and never scammed and always appeared squeaky clean. If they are part of alt communities or from the alt board at all then 100 earned merits  is likely to be worth x10 x20 x30 more than on meta board.

Also we are not saying who can be on DT we are saying who can hold the key nomination positions for DT. So others can be on the DT system anyway if nominated by them and meet the other threshold votes.

More persons or many more unconnected persons make it harder to collude and make it a fairer system. You do not want persons that all share the same merit circle and same political views with regard the board who are all familiar with each other and all posting to back each other up at any time one is singled out for legitimate criticism  -- who will not even look at a proven lie and admit it is a lie. Groups within those few  that have been implicated in the SAME SCAMS AND SCHEMES  working together...You could not really come up with a bunch that observably collude more that have more dirt on them than large swathes of DT1. To call it a decentralised TRUST system at this stage is quite strange and almost ironic. It's like anti trust system or anti christ system actually. Their main justification is they stop "other" scammers. Well fine but be nice to have it decentralised with some that are not proven liars,abusers of trust and greedy sneaky sock puppets shilling - - let's have a bunch of people that are totally unfamiliar with those people and not connected at all to hold them in check shall we if they are allowed to even stay there for now.

If you have collusion on the key positions the entire system collapses into a run away gang because there is nothing to keep them in check. However take that away from them and what you get is a system where DT will not abuse their position because unlike the gang we have now that will endorse and sanction the abuse or too scared to stand out from the gang... you will have a diverse group all much less giving a shit if they are part of the "gang" we have now and if they see abuse they will say fuck off that is abuse removed it or will will exclude you and also balance that red. They will also likely include other trust worthy persons and not just their proven ass kissers and acolytes.

There is simply no point having a decentralised system that starts completely centralised with a group of entrenched colluders (observably in many ways) and then you hand those colluders the key positions to nominate new persons and they also have the means (merit sources) to either recruit or withhold the threshold merits for others to join. So they can cherry pick who should be there or not. I mean it is obviously not going to work or it is ever going to work it will take a VERY long while.

Obviously it is a complex system and you would likely need a serious game theory boffin to create a self sustaining decentralised system that can maintain anything like a fair and equal posting environment whilst kicking off scammers in an optimal way. It may even be impossible on an anonymous forum where people can have multiple sock puppets.
However TIME can not be gamed so adding a minimum TIME penalty for discovered and obvious abuse it better than not having it surely and the fact that it will bring into these key positions persons not obviously already in the colluding gang we have now.

Merit is actually the key here DT is secondary now since Merit is trust too apparently.

Of course you need a specific mandate for both with clear and detailed criteria and definition for merit and trust. You also need strict and swift punishment for those ignoring this framework.  Just the threat of getting blacklisted or worse for abuse will be enough that it needs only a little correcting now and then.

Who will risk blacklisting of a 4 year old account and I say also sig ban for 3 years for abusing a position of trust and responsibility and in serious cases a ton of red for them too. That is pretty much like a ban for most greedy and selfish users.

Again anyone with proven dark incidents in their history that make them dishonest or likely to scam need to be blacklisted anyway. Why would you have persons in trust positions that are proven already untrustworthy it makes zero sense.

This is not about DT only the key nominating positions in DT. That is what is making it pseudo decentralised when really you could not have take a forum of this size and made it MORE centralised. Start examining their post histories, their merit fans recipients, the DT includes their DT EXCLUSIONS (even worse)  all their interactions on this board. This is a centralised pot of scum for the most part. DO some digging it is all there just put in some effort and examine their past histories.

You find them supporting some of the most unfair and scam like projects here, you will find them implicated in all kinds of extortion and other foul deeds, you will find them creating puppet accounts to spam for btc dust whilst lecturing others on financial shit posting. Supporting these kinds of people willingly whilst red trusting people for promoting "possible scams" unwilling to even say a proven lie is a lie. This is a host of scum I am telling you all. These are facts and are there in black and white.

Then go examine MY OWN entire post history you will find me NEVER scamming, NEVER being greedy , NEVER refusing to help others who are being bullied when i don't even know them, ALWAYS finding real scams and meeting them head on against tons of scammers and scam pumpers in public not hiding away snitching on them.. ALWAYS fighting for fairer distributions (see the huge arguments on Byteball when it launched i was the only person saying make it fairer for new people with no btc or not much btc)  ALWAYS sharing all my research on great projects with others BEFORE it goes up massively so others can benefit also from this research. Getting thanked my many for making them super wealthy in public and in PMs.

Here I am telling you to make the systems of control fairer so everyone gets equal opportunity and free speech is not crushed and I AM THE BAD GUY NOW?? OH REALLY? and I am just doing it all for my selfish gain you say??

It went right when I found DT members trying to bully an innocent person.

Then I found out about the snake pit of meta full of sig spamming merit cycling DT bullies that thought they could do what they like to whom they like when they like.

Sadly those days are done. You can for the moment still trust abuse and control the free speech of some however others that need not worry about some red trust can state facts and observable events at will.

Anyone opposing me is simply fighting against the formation of a fairer system for all. That is a FACT.

Anything that I have said or pushed for is to that one single aim. FACT.

Of course a fool like loyceV  who has one party trick copy and paste stats puke with MINOR analysis has more merit than satoshi is not going to like hearing the truth that merit is subjective garbage and his self made x2legendary status is a joke. I asked him for some of his achievements that have made any difference here and there was NOTHING. I asked for one insightful thought provoking post that would have big implications for this board or community again NOTHING.

So of course he is offended because I told him his merit score means nothing it is subjective political junk or stats copy and paste puked derived. How would anything change here one bit if we did not have 50 threads analysing how many cycled merits they all have and who abused it the most for their own ends. Who cares. Better to make the systems better so people here are guaranteed fair and equal treatment and free speech is once again given back to all members of this board who may not share the views or ideologies or agendas of DT and Merit cycling bullies.

ALSO the persons giving me these negative trust LoyceV the Absolute Imbecile  are SCAM pushers and liars who were pushing scams and lying there was no fucking instamine like your scum sucking pal LAUDA and the pharmacist and nutildah etc  ALL pushing scams for financial gain now all pushing for control for more selfish reasons. You are supporting them so you are just as bad.

So does that answer you mr self made cycled x2 legendary waste of space? I love how you pop up sniping once your pals do but NEVER dare debate anything with me one on one because the last times you tried it I demonstrated how fragile your mind is. Bring your debate here not you sniping and usual dumb shit like you just did. Yeah bring MORE negative trust from proven SCAM pumpers and protectors because I point out their scams. You do realise to anyone with any brains that are not corrupt scum that is like an endorsement for being a scam hunter and honest and fair member?

Now stop posting on this thread unless it is a sensible case for why 250 cycled shit merits is better than just 100 and 1500 activity.

I notice all the same "merit" cyclers here from the merit-merry-go-round.

Now back ON TOPIC

post your reasons loyce why you think 250 earned merits is better than 100 + 1500 activity or fuck off and copy more merit stats crap to merit board in your own threads.



 

Please can you stop derailing my post you dirty snake. Of course a scumbag like you that also happens to be an imbecile would not even dare debate the OP but try to weasel and snake into the thread with personal attacks and false accusations.

I see just another feltching ass kissing imbecile trying to come here to flagrantly break the local rules and derail.

It's called 1000 posts seeking a fairer system against entrenched beneficiaries of a broken and abused system in their own nest vipers. If you wish to debate it make your own thread can you not read my local rules?

Don't derail further or I request your posts removed.

Present a case for 250 merits vs 100 plus 1500 activity or fuck off.

That is why I put the TLDR part.

However, it is essentially detailing the advantages of over 100 merits + 1500 activity over 250 earned merits.

These advantages are quite obvious but most people would rather resort to ad hominem fallacy and speculate incorrectly on my motives for this suggested upgrade so I have to spend a large part of my post defending of such false allegations.

LOL if you bothered to read even one post I made hehe. Your posts often make me laugh ...you are always doing this.

I never said you did. Learn to read skank. You are simply endorsing actions that are not sanctioned by theymos. You support abuse you are an abuser. Remember how you said it goes??

There is no point saying the system is working great when it is obviously not giving the results theymos intended.

My achievements surpass anything you will ever dream of here.

No it demonstrates that people don't give 1 fuck what theymos says here and just do what they want with red trust.
It demonstrates that you support giving red trust outside of what theymos said red trust was for. Hence you are abusing the trust system and presenting yet another net negative post.


1. is he a scammer?
2. is he strongly likely to scam?

NO?? so remove the red trust then because RED trust is for SCAMMERS and those STRONGLY likely to scam.

this is a neutral trust UNLESS the project is a scam and he is aware of this.

200 posts in one week is not spamming unless the content is low quality and crap.. even then that is worth a neutral and reporting to the  mods to take care of it.

LOL first suchmoon begs moderators to DELETE my posts containing on topic relevant facts that demonstrate she supports proven liars, trust abusers and greedy sneaky racist trolling sock puppet sig spammers

Now she just tells people DONT READ the truth about her.

Now, please just get back to snitching on minor shit and playing whack a mole so you feel you have achieved something here in this community. Or lying trying to get people banned for doxing you then saying that was not even a dox and that name/address is nothing related to you at all.

Now stick on topic and stop derailing else I will request your derailing trash is deleted from my thread.

Present a case for the 250 earned merits vs 100 merits + 1500 activity or shut up.


@Bones

are you now claiming that I am a troll? If so present the incorrect and trolling posts in a thread claiming they are are trolling and I'll see you there.

Start with the thread of the year trolling thread because i can't get people to that thread even after they chime in then run off

Or perhaps the let's define net positive and valuable posts

Or well ANY thread I have started in meta. Just bring it here and list it under is cryptohunter a troll and we can break down the posts and see if it is trolling or if it is presentation of facts and observable events and an attempt to make this board a fairer and better place for all members.

Or ANY of the merit cycling threads I started that have demonstrated meta is just a place to slather each other up with merit lube before verbally masturbating all over each other how great we all are for giving all this merit to each other... often for just making graphs and stats about all the merit we have LOL

When I look at the snitchy bitchy crap suchmoon posts in reply to a lot of people and also the LACK of original content /suggestions that actually would make ANY difference to the board in a big way then I realise that she is just a big bag of wasted merit.

So nothing of note ever achieved here except whack a mole and snitching on minor shit and supporting proven untrustworthy scum and accused of actual scamming herself in the past. = yeah excellent member suchmoon.

I am pushing for a fairer board for everyone with NO SCAMMERS in DT whilst suchmoon admits merit is meaningless but want to use it as a method of control over the board because it suits her and the other proven untrustworthy scum to maintain positions of power for selfish gain and silence free speech.

However, I have already said I will willingly be blacklisted from BOTH systems of control merit source and DT so i have no need of gaining 250 merits if we can swap it to a REAL decentralised approach.

Suchmoon is basically trying to stop you reading the FACTs contained within the post. Not that these are even the important facts just demonstrate what a double standards scum bag this person is. I have seen suchmoon red trust people for supporting a "POSSIBLE" scam. What a double standards scum bag. Then tells me good poster bad poster is a meaningless term without strict criteria and definition whilst arguing for the validity of merit score and indication of valuable poster. What an imbecile that snitchy bitch is.

1. suchmoon cycles merit to

a/ proven liars
b/ proven trust abusers
c/ proven greedy sneaky sock puppet racist troll sig spammers.

2. Suchmoon includes on her trust list

a/ proven liars
b/ proven trust abusers
c/ proven greedy sneaky sock puppet racist troll sig spammers.

3. Suchmoon excludes the same persons in her DT lists as

a/ proven liars
b/ proven trust abusers
c/ proven greedy sneaky sock puppet racist troll sig spammers.

4. Suchmoon has said that the merit system and it score is MEANINGLESS but wants to continue basing key positions of trust on that MEANINGLESS score.

In short ignore everything this observable imbecile suchmoron "claims" if you want any hope of finding the truth on any matter.

Anyone who wants to refute these facts then feel free to do so or you can bring a case for keeping it at 250 earned cycled merits over 100 merits +1500 activity.

Glad suchmoron read the entire post and selects out as it usually does misses the key points of the post.

Back on topic.

1. prevents obvious collusion and groups becoming entrenched
2. more incentive to act honestly because
a/ harder to replace blacklisted account will take years
b/ more likely already wealthy so lack of need for scam bucks
3/ more history to analyse and see if one they look trustworthy or have a reason to black list them from the start.


250 earned merits has zero advantage over 100 merits +1500 activity only to give a tight knit group control over trust and merit and free speech. Broken and damaging and dangerous.

There is no drama there is rather serious and sensible concern that
a/ DT key positions are held by those that are observably untrustworthy and abusing their power
b/ nothing is done to remove them nor undo the damage they are doing
c/ Red trust is being used to silence and discredit those bringing forth facts and observable events demonstrating clear wrong dong by DT key position holders.

So far I...

1. I see no rebuttal or even an attempt at once concerning my assertion that reducing the merit requirement and increasing the activity to 1500 or 2000 would be more useful. This is for the key positions only not for who can be on DT after all.

It is possible and is clearly observable that merit is cycled to those familiar with each other and often for political reasons and just general shitposts. Basically any excuse to empower those that will willingly collude and gang together pushing the same agenda. Merit is useful at stopping account farming ONLY it becomes very damaging to use it for anything else or by trying to attribute any other meaning to a MEANINGLESS (as suchmoon described it) score.  

Visit my thread of the year and try to understand just how dangerous the merit system is and MORE SO now that it has been turned into the TRUST system too. Nobody has refuted this in that thread because it is not possible to refute the dangers of such a system. It is wide open to and actually encourages people to abuse it for self interest.

If you wish to debate that then go to that thread and do so. Not here.

That thread serves as a prime example as to why merit in its current form is damaging misleading and political junk.
My posts especially the latter ones there are a clear and accurate description of how open the systems are to abuse and how they even set clear and selfish motives for that abuse. Yet there is no merit given and a post that makes a faux and empty rebuttal is given merit purely on political grounds because it suits those meriting for that to be seen as the most merit worthy post. There was nothing wrong with that post essentially on that it did not make the refutation that those meriting wanted to make out that it did. As I later pointed out clearly.

So merit score = unreliable at best and misleading and dangerous at worst. It means fuck all to do with trust and mostly noobs here observably asskissing and grovelling for merits and becoming self made ALREADY SPAMMING THEIR GAMBLING AND SIGS EVERYWHERE are only here to power up for high paid spamming slots.

Activity is NOT gameable in that it takes a minimum amount of time to replace a 2000 activity account. Once it is lost due to abuse or  black listed from a position of trust you will not be powering that up again for many years. Hence the incentive to act sensibly within the guidelines or framework that Theymos has set. Trust abusers can look forward to 5 years work to power up another alt to get back into the trust system.

Merit can be recycled very quickly I notice the lauda atrix 50 swap of merits (was that deleted by theymos like my 10 merits was for my post which was deserving of merit in its own right when theirs looks like a piece of advertising crap).

It is the prevention of collusion you want in a decentralised system. We can see the members that would hold the key positions in the trust system if we went with 100 earned merit and 1500 have less observable "pal connections" and there is no way to encourage new ass kissers and acoyltes and power them up to bolster your position in DT as there are now.

The only reason to have 250 earned (cycled) merits is to ensure the entrenchment of merit cyclers in the key positions of DT.

I would like to see one real debate over the advantages of 250 cycled merits over 100 merits +1500 activity. This is for key positions this does not mean the only people that can be on DT does it anyway.

However having the same political group who cycle merits to each other having the key positions in trust is a simply a FAKE decentralised system compared to what would be possible.

I would also say anyone that has EVER done anything clearly untrustworthy or that demonstrates extreme financial greed and no thought to effects on the forum for that should be auto black listed by a higher authority. If someone can tell me why that should not happen is welcome to explain.

Suchmoon of course as well as being an observable moron and the sort of imbecile that debunks her own arguments or ends up screaming out ludicrous statements to cling on to an observable pile of shit to substantiate her insane views  is also a willing and staunched supporter of those that have been PROVEN to be untrustworthy and greedy. I can not take anything she says seriously now.

I see some persons here that are not going to qualify for the 1500 activity threshold that are actually trying to help and also not spamming sigs everywhere for gambing and other crap those can still go on DT they will just not hold the key positions.

TLDR = KEY POSITIONS SHOULD BE 100 MERITS + 1500 ACTIVITY TO PREVENT OBVIOUS COLLUSION AND CREATE SOME REAL ATTEMPT AT A DECENTRALISED SYSTEM. I would even consider 50 merits and 1500 activity far superior to what we have now if you care about preventing collusion and ensuring free speech is not crushed here.

You can always take qwks view = the trush is not important and that wrongly placed red trust is helpful since it makes persons more wary of trading in general. If that is the case just make a bot that just goes around splattering people with red trust and make sure you hit those with the most green trust more often.

On the other hand theymos could say

I will black list any trust abusing scum bag that red trusts someone that is not a scammer or strongly likely to scam. Then it would not matter too much who was in DT. Even so 1500 activity could be useful so they simply don't return and do it again soon after.  Time to regain the power that was taken away is key.

Lauda is but a symptom of the problem as are the other trust abusers who have a dark history here. A trust system that works does not have these people in the key positions.

I just explained it to you stop pretending you didnt see it.

I just told you what i said the exact wording will not change whether it was on topic or not.

Just start to present your case so that I can destroy it when I get back from my swimming and tennis.

Not threatening you. You wanted clarification on why I should know what you look like. I was explaining it to you.

So as you now deny the dox that exists on the board is you then stop blathering on crying about it. If it was real then fair enough.

I personally doubted it was you. Did not look evil enough.

Well I will not post it here only in the trading forum it seems since maybe even a fake dox is not allowed here. However there is no point because it is  there already and it matches the dox someone sent to me during the thread about you apparently trying to or successfully ripping someone off for some mining gear. Attempt says you deny it so why cry on about it and try to get people in trouble? Sounds like your MO.

Make up your mind is it real or not? if not I may as well call you out as being father xmas so you can accuse me of doxing you?

Also ease up on the unsubstantiated and false accusations they wont wash with me.

It is relevant. I say you are reporting posts to silence the truth being revealed about your merit cycling and DT inclusion pals. You say you are not guilty but got it deleted for it being off topic.

I just told you what I said in response to huge black womans post and relating to the OP it is clearly on topic. Explain how it is off topic now. You just said bla bla bla i don't like you telling people the trust about the background of my friends. I don't want people to keep hearing that the pharmacist set up a puppet account called Huge Black Woman to spam his sig for more btc dust whilst filling the board with racist trolling.

So why do you not want the truth about this to be stated when he is in a thread giving his opinions on why essentially he should be given a position of trust by his pals like you and there is no need for an election process?  that seems very likely does it not? more than your concern for it being off topic when right here and now you can not even build a case for it being off topic or irrelevant?

I will await your in details of how you say it is off topic and that you are happy to acknowledge you support for a position of trust
1. a proven liar
2. a proven and self confessed trust abuser
3. a proven sneaky sock puppet greedy racist trolling sig spammer.

your inclusions and your actions are there in black and white.... you include them on dt, you merit cycle with them, and you all   mostly exclude the same persons and want to silence any mention of this?

seems all there in black and white

So lets see.

1. you are admitting to crying and screaming  about getting doxed when you were never doxed?  well coming from you that is actually in character. With those that openly support liars and proven greedy sneaky persons you can never know what is true. First suchmoon cries about being doxed outside of the trading forum and tries to get people banned. Now she says there was no real dox?  

2. you confirm you are a lazy asshole for double posting and breaking the rules yourself

3. please work on your reading comprehension i never said I should have any say about your ignore list

4. Please give examples of any shit posting and trolling. This sounds like a false accusation. I await.

@vilevixen

well it just stands to reason since you always find time in your day to reply to me and read my posts. Then again i guess you have a lot of time on your hands. I think vile vixen on your t-shirt will get you more attention than snitchy bitch. Print both and let me know how it goes. I can take that title away from suchmoon if you like. She won't get any attention regardless of the t-shirt anyway so no loss to her.

so that is the reason... i mentioned some on topic and relevant facts regarding the proven wrong doing of one of your DT pals and merit cycling pals?  

yes i noticed that but that does not mean it is off topic nor does it mean it is not relevant, nor does it mean that I should not be able to respond to a direct false accusation and personal attack. I did not complain or report his post so stop being a chicken shit snitchy bitch and quit stalking me you creepy little twerp.

Come on ffs dumb ass you are not a bitch you are a vile vixen.

Time travel allows you to correct mistakes so no point boasting about 100% accuracy is there.

Glad you're all taking me back off of ignore. Nice to be amongst pals again. I can't give you all my usual attention since I am on holiday after all.

What makes you doubt that?

why complain about a dox if it is not real?

the only rule that i can see broken there in any of my posts you reported (apparently) today is some variation of rule 32 one you break yourself too...

that rule is quite dumb when you are talking about 2 posts only because people reply right after you have already pressed submit and you wish to reply to them. this rule is applicable to those bumping in purpose over and over to get extra attention

again whining is not the same as asking why and who deleted your posts... especially in light of the fact you just said you took me off ignore to get my posts deleted

What do you mean" Ill get what I am asking"??