IMHO 1) New users or even old users may not know who to trust and may not moderate their trust list. It shouldn't be mandatory. 2) It will make trust list worse. Obviously, a few people can't look after many, so more people will be added to level 1 which gives them more power. 3) Current text is sometimes does not fit in all cases but in major cases, it does. If you or anyone can suggest a better text, theymos might consider it.
-snip- 3) some people on default trust even make a hobby of marking red on people who haven't ever traded with them but with whom they simply disagree (see, for example, Vod vs MSCorp Key Sellers; or Quickseller vs. people who refuse to do business with him ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1023038.0, inter alia)) Trust feedback can be left even if they didn't trade. Doing a business with them to leave a feedback is worst idea IMHO. You should read more about your "versus claims". -snip-
It's not "pure" assumption. It is based on activity of the likely-scammer + assumption. These has saved many people. All users should be treated equally and there is no excuse that the trust system isn't moderated and then giving the reputed members an upper hand. Now it is as if they call a person a scammer or trusted, their rating is counted. I would chose to either Remove the Default Trust Members or Moderate the Trust System.
I don't know if I'm right or not but is it true that the users who give Loans and/or work as escrow are mainly in the default trust list?
You mean "all" should be equal? It will make trust system a spamming system. First of all, people in default trust list are people whose judgements can be trusted in most cases. They, like all humans, do make mistakes. You are asking that police, common people and scammers to have equal power. Does that make sense? Trust sytem must not be removed or moderated. Obviously, admins can't get into these things everytime and moderate this sytem. They need to appoint moderators for trust system which gives trust system valueless because what if negative feedback was against these mods? No. People who can be trusted won't be added to default trust list unless their judgements can be trusted. These people tend to work as escrow as they are trustworthy or give loans as they hav me enough BTC. |
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Ok, as we agreed via PM,here is my LTC address to send the collateral
LVkt3rLrPro1sB3mPeFG3xTQ733c1VT79Z
please post the Tx Id here when your have sent LTC and also post your bitcoin address here publicly
http://ltc.blockr.io/zerotx/info/9c10de4432e2690251d35700de35ee4fb48861d76b9b370129b6b67f53d35031Funds sent. Please return my litecoins after repayment to your address. I'll pay back in 7 days (give or take) after receiving the BTC as mentioned in the OP. Here's my LTC address: LNBugLbVTS4STwx3jhmM5AyVZCiYH6mEgy Also, I'm expecting the loan funds in the bitcoin address seen in the OP. Thanks.
I have 30 LTC that I'm not willing to sell on the short term. I'll be using them as collateral.
Loan Amount : 0.15
BTC Address : 1RyDcKZdYAguTeDFpyQfMsnepdBHXDyCh
Term Length : Give or take seven days after receiving the loan.
Interest: 0% Although I might give you a tip for your service
Collateral 30 LTC
The collateral is worth more than 125% of the requested amount. Only according to the current LTC price of 0.00625076.
I could provide some more alt coins as collateral but I'm confident that 125% with litecoin is enough. I'll only take the loan from a reputable member, so please don't send anything to the above address before I give you the OK.
Sent
https://blockchain.info/tx/3a46707e3a73b263be589c2e1272d4ad1378100591c7867d3bb9481316d7e873
Repayment Time: 7 Days (27/04/2015)
My bitcoin address for repayment: 1AK7oAdLSuiYri6GNhBZXWF8LXVBbxcznn
please don't edit your first post until loan is repaid |
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"just_me" told "no" doesn't depend on "time" which is not true. If "no" doesn't depend on time, then how could either be true because God also spoke through Moses just like Jesus. Jesus isn't "alone" in it. God spoke through Moses for the creating and upholding of the nation of Israel, the Jewish nation. This was the way that God blessed all nations through Abraham. The sameme way God spoke through Jesus. Jesus didn't tell I cam here to fulfill Jews' laws, Jesus told I came here to fulfill laws of previous prophets not to contradict itz
Jesus was speaking to Jews about Jewish prophets. Among them are Moses and Abraham. Chinese prophets aren't included. Neither are the prophets of Islam or any other religion. Jesus told "previous" prophets. Didn't mention "Jewish" prophets. "Previous" means all who came before. All prophets came earlier are prophets of Islam as all teaches believe in ONE and ONLY God which was changed after the death of prophets in almost all religions. Muhammad(PBUH) completed it. However, the laws of love are for all people. Jesus and the Pharisees all agreed that the greatest Law is, "Love God above all things," and the second is like it, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Sadly, Islam doesn't always adhere to the second law in its writings... and maybe not even the first law.  There was no need for this to be here. You are just an islamaphobia. Islam tells to love your God above all things and also to love, treat, respect and help your neighbors. Then, consider it a miracle that it is here. Once I stop showing you how the miracles of the Bible are far greater than any miracles that Islam could even think of, you might not have anyone who is concerned enough about your fate to correct you any longer. Miracle?  |
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You can't keep your anecdotes straight. First you say Israel is helping ISIS, then you say only Muslims support ISIS. You might run into less problems with sketchy facts if you post a source to back up your claims once in awhile.
OK... I will list the facts: 1. All ISIS members are Sunni Muslims 2. ISIS has mostly targeted non-Muslims 3. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel are supporting the ISIS, for their own reasons. I'll change my claim that "only Muslims support the ISIS" to "all ISIS members are Sunni Muslims". Hope that everything is clear now. How could #1 be true? All ISIS members aren't Muslims and also sunnis are who follow correctly. You think killing muslims, non-muslims and making mischief in the lands are Sunnis? I don't think so. |
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Just for clearing your doubt: "Hijab" in Arab means to cover. It doesn't mean "certain type" of clothes. Currently, there seem to be some type of head cover which said to be hijab. Islam doesn't tell to use "that" cloth itself to cover the head, also it isn't hijab. That type of cloth came from old tradition, not Islamic rule. Islam only tells to cover the head. It must not be transparent/revealing though.
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Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings,
it isn't a debate, Jesus Rules that is the way it is.
Jesus said it best, when he said: 'I am the way, the truth, and the life'
'and no man goes to the father, except through him'
It was at the time of Jesus. In Moses' time, "no man goes to father except through Moses". It is another twisting statement. You will understand it if you look in-context meaningz NO MAN, means NO MAN whether it was at the time of Jesus, Moses, Adam, or current time. Time is irrelevant in regards to that statement. No man will go to God, except through Jesus. Numbers 27:23 "laid his hands on him, and commissioned him, as the LORD had spoken through Moses." ...hmm...? So what? God called Moses to do a job. That job was to form the nation of Israel into something that God wanted, and to lead the people of Israel to the land of Canaan which God promised to Abraham and his descendants through Isaac. This is what Moses was doing at the command of God. "just_me" told "no" doesn't depend on "time" which is not true. If "no" doesn't depend on time, then how could either be true because God also spoke through Moses just like Jesus. Jesus isn't "alone" in it. Also:
Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to revoke The Written Law or The Prophets; I am not come to revoke but to fulfill."
Deuteronomy 14:8
"And also the pig, because even though its hoof is divided, it does not chew the cud. It is therefore unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or even touch their carcasses."
So why do Christians tell pork is allowed?
There are many nations around the world. How many of them are the nation of Israel? Only one. The ceremonial laws are for the physical nation of Israel, not for the rest of the nations except if it is a lawful thing for that nation in their national laws. The ceremonial laws are there for Christians who want to obey them, but they are not required. They are also there for Christians to see how the process works from Moses to Jesus. Jesus was a Jew. He didn't come to revoke the laws that the Jews hold. He came to fulfill them as a Jew. Jesus didn't tell I cam here to fulfill Jews' laws, Jesus told I came here to fulfill laws of previous prophets not to contradict itz However, the laws of love are for all people. Jesus and the Pharisees all agreed that the greatest Law is, "Love God above all things," and the second is like it, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Sadly, Islam doesn't always adhere to the second law in its writings... and maybe not even the first law. There was no need for this to be here. You are just an islamaphobia. Islam tells to love your God above all things and also to love, treat, respect and help your neighbors. |
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If loan isn't fulfilled by redsn0w, send me a PM. Thanks!
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Loan request: 0.011 BTC
Collateral: A member account
Loan Payment Date: In 5 Days
Interest: 5-10% as per your wish
Address: 1HkS2uy1yZBQiX7M252Ej75SCAQyqemjyy
Accepted, please send me the user account information trough PM I will change the password etc. and then provide your loan Loan is fulfilled by irfan_pak10. Many people(incl. me) ask like you did but I highly recommend you to check post history before asking to avoid potential scams. Good luck! |
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Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings,
it isn't a debate, Jesus Rules that is the way it is.
Jesus said it best, when he said: 'I am the way, the truth, and the life'
'and no man goes to the father, except through him'
It was at the time of Jesus. In Moses' time, "no man goes to father except through Moses". It is another twisting statement. You will understand it if you look in-context meaningz NO MAN, means NO MAN whether it was at the time of Jesus, Moses, Adam, or current time. Time is irrelevant in regards to that statement. No man will go to God, except through Jesus. Numbers 27:23 "laid his hands on him, and commissioned him, as the LORD had spoken through Moses." ...hmm...?
Also: Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to revoke The Written Law or The Prophets; I am not come to revoke but to fulfill." Deuteronomy 14:8 "And also the pig, because even though its hoof is divided, it does not chew the cud. It is therefore unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or even touch their carcasses." So why do Christians tell pork is allowed? |
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It is absolutely shameful and unacceptable that these primitive people are allowed to perpetrate such horrible acts of barbary. Now we should consider the lessons, and we must all protect cultural heritage at any cost. I guess it is a matter of good will and directed efforts.
These primitive people don't understand the meaning of cultural heritage. They just want to destroy all symbols of other religions, even if it carries large historical / cultural significance. Not "only" other religions. They also destroy Masjids and kill people from their own religion. |
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Has anyone made a thread listing all the Avatar campaigns and/or PMs yet? If so, can anyone kindly point me to such?
There isn't many to make an overview. AFAIK there are only 2-3 avatar campaigns. |
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All reported.
You wasted your time. Im somewhat torn here. Survey posts are fine in a discussion board IMHO. It would be the next thing that is taken down due to sig spammers. +1 posts would have been fine in my opinion if it weren't for sig campaigns. Getting paid for posting meaningless posts is the problem, so once you disallow them for people with sig campaigns you have to disallow them for everyone else.
If survey posts are okay, then that threads are okay. But these survey posts are increasing in that board. It not only survey posts, many of the threads are already answered but many rephrased and double posts are being made and some threads have many pages. For example, if you check this thread, "paper wallet" is suggested a few times. There are also other threads like these there. I think, we will have to see such posts and no action will be taken. For upcoming signature campaign, I think will be : Qualifying Posts:Must be made with the appropriate signature. Must be constructive to the topic. Investor-based games sub-board does not count. Non-English posts will not count. Posts in this thread does not count. Posts in the off-topic board do not count. Posts in Beginners & Help do not count.  Posts in other signature campaigns do not count. That's not a bad idea actually, I think a few more should be added to that list. Posts in the 'Meta' board do not count. (Seriously, no company would prefer to advertise in Meta Board) Posts in the 'Politics & Society' board do not count. (This has turned into another off-topic board, a news on any topic is posted which is not related to Bitcoin at all and people just keep arguing trying to prove their views) Rules look good. Meta board is fine IMHO. |
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Hello, Spams are increasing in "Beginners & Help" sub-board. Most posts aren't really a beginner question, rather, an off-topic question. Examples: Did you earn some bitcoin today? If so, how did you do it? BTC
Its interesting please post here  How much BTC do you have now ? How much did you spent?  How much did you lost or scammed by someone?  Thanks Just a question Which BTC wallet you are using? coinbase , blockchain, btc-e, bittrex or any one else?
There are many rephrased posts too. The board is becoming a "speculation" board and/or an "off-topic" board. An action should be taken ASAP IMHO or correct me if I am wrong. |
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I saw many posts which is made by looking the title but not OP. Some of them isn't considered off-topic! For example, if someone wrote a problem with Android wallet, some users spam the thread with Android wallet names. One or two get deleted but not all. This is a huge problem too. I agree, IMHO the beginners and help section is very bad in that regard. Many posts there have page after pages of the same rephrased answer. My impression is that people read the title and (maybe) the OP and just answer without reading any of the previously given answers. Sometimes the answers are not even correct. Its very tiring to read and I have mostly given up on the section. Once a thread reaches a certain number of posts I just stop following it. How to handle that though? Should we (or rather the mods) discourage newbies from posting by deleting their first post here just because they did not read a possibly 20 pages thread first? Most of these posts are only spam and reiteration in the context of the thread. Normal newbies don't go to every thread in beginners & help and post a random reply, they are usually starting the threads we're talking about. Take a look at this member for example (I don't care if it's another campaign's member, I'm just looking at spam) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=359716I looked his/her posts. You are right. See this for instance: Any client will reject that address & transaction won't happen
In case the client make that transaction, any network will reject it
So, there won't be any problem
The question is already answered there, obviously a few times. I don't even understand how the bolded part can be true. P.S. Although this is a discussion forum, not a Q & A type forum(eg:- Stackexchange), there should be an option to mark a post as answer and locked when it is done. It will reduce spam. |
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Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings,
it isn't a debate, Jesus Rules that is the way it is.
Jesus said it best, when he said: 'I am the way, the truth, and the life'
'and no man goes to the father, except through him'
[ img]http://bestfreechristian.com/stock_02/images/jil004.gif[/img]
It was at the time of Jesus. In Moses' time, "no man goes to father except through Moses". It is another twisting statement. You will understand it if you look in-context meaningz |
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Loan request: 0.011 BTC
Collateral: A member account
Loan Payment Date: In 5 Days
Interest: 5-10% as per your wish
Address: 1HkS2uy1yZBQiX7M252Ej75SCAQyqemjyy
Loan Sent: c238fc2ed79cde4acb7ed9337b920817e0e8a8b67bc52bd6693bf8e7c2fbf286
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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Date:19/04/2015, Sunday.
Muhammed Zakir (UID: 320943) from bitcointalk.org.
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Lender : irfan_pak10 (UID: 350580)
Borrower : cryptoforcause (UID: 380298)
Loan amount : 0.011
Payment address : 1HkS2uy1yZBQiX7M252Ej75SCAQyqemjyy
Interest : NONE
Repay amount : 0.011
Due date : 24/04/2015
Repay address : 1ASavcpvS9JzQxRzmiVvgboxUwAD9cqYhs
Late fee : NONE
Collateral : Bitcointalk account.
Extra conditions : If loan is defaulted, collateral will be
released to the lender after
24 hours after due date.
Escrow fee : NONE
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1MZakirz92c76pK6BNy1NAEmbWYpDcP7mh
GyLYbXJ8PWjTyxGl47bcvBR8NyPh2rfZhwOkszVGymVnT8bVoihIXLkuPyTIqf49GBb9msjHBDb0lUx KxESuwjY=
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It takes some time to update.
Once you update your trust list, effect will be immediate. If Quickseller thought the buyer was trying something he could've pointed that out and mention the changed terms. There is a good chance Quickseller left the feedback as he didn't like the loss in income. He has already shown he will try to earn even when the ethical thing would've been to not encourage scam sites.
The terms were good and was PM'ed. Then "worhiper_-_" can ask why it was changed but he just backed out the deal. That isn't good IMHO. However, it probably is good to leave a neutral trust feedback |
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=snip=
Also, when new faucets and faucet rotators are released, they spam in Beginners and Help. It doesn't look right IMHO. Any reason why no action is taken?
There was some discussion about moving new faucet announcements to it's own subforum. Not sure if the demand was enough to actually do it, but a large percentage of posts are currently about faucets anyways. I didn't mean faucets and faucet rotators in Service Announcements. It is fine but these threads in Beginners & Help isn't right IMHO. It should eitherbe deleted or moved to Archival because of most of these are already announced in Service Announcements. To your post: A new board is necessary but it will take sometime like it took time for Trashcan v2.0(aka Investor-based Games). |
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