Fair enough. That page hasn't been updated in 8 months I think.

Shut up, Atlas. 

Nope, never has been either. There have been roughly 70 members in the DCAO since it's inception. I understand that not a lot of people know much about the DCAO or how it works, but imagine 20mission but online. We have lawyers, designers, developers, investors, visionaries, marketers, writers, and heavy enthusiasts all under the same group interested in incubating products and services and raising the standards for ourselves one day at a time. Charlie Shrem seems to think Zhou Tong is guilty for example, but Charlie Shrem is also in the DCAO. Does that mean he is a business partner?  

Zhou Tong left the DCAO shortly after the Linode hack (which bothered me a bit because it sent some mixed signals).

It's people who are tired of Atlas's mindless ramblings.

"I have a membership on several forums" rofl. Atlas....you just can't help it can you. Time to make another alt.

No I'm not, and your cookie cutter approach to creating new identities is really insulting everyone's intellect.

Thanks for the input Atlas. Aren't you permabanned?

Sorry, lost me there when you called someone a criminal without any kind of investigation and all "proof" based on something a group that broke the law just to come here and start this thread says (who can't even provide their legal registration information on request). I won't say Zhou is guilty or not guilty, it's not my job. It's also not yours, that's kind of the point. Support for transparency and evidence is not support for Zhou, it's support for everyone. If you were being railed be the community I would fight for clarity and evidence and not jump to conclusions either.

I think you overestimate the power of a few SA goons who have already been banned and their opinion of me because I interviewed a kid and talked to him regularly on Skype. When I see evidence that he's stolen funds, I will be the first person to say "He stole the funds!". Right now it seems like a witch hunt and you and everyone here should be ashamed of yourselves. No one has of yet been able to explain why he is guilty. His friend wanted him to write some funds? Okay....Does that mean he stole some money? He was efficient in getting a response? So am I? What does that prove? Not to sound like I'm thick or anything, but this community has proven time and time again to be completely wrong on many serious issues (even BFL) and never let go even when they've been proven wrong. When the subject of that obsessive abusive harassment and libel is a 17 year old, I don't jump to support -him-, I jump to get transparency on all counts. AurumXchange posting their thread -still- makes no sense. Why would that exchange break the law to post a thread on a forum? What's in it for them?


You can hate me for asking for evidence, but you can't call me a shill when I'm demanding people provide it. Call me an annoying devil's advocate or a lynch mob joy kill if you want to.

Who is associated with any of the criminals or incompetents in this drama? As far as I can see there is one clear criminal who posted a thread libeling against Zhou, and a highly suspicious and incompetent Zhou. The only one associating any "investor group" to this is you.

@Roberto: Please post your legitimate business registration/contact information in this thread for informational purposes so that Zhou's attorney can have it to address you officially and so that the community can also benefit from the knowledge that you are a rock in the community with a legitimate business interest and not just a personal vendetta.

Why did you quote "constructive citizen"? lol

I agree with him completely that it shouldn't be in lending. There should be a section called "DEEP DARK HIGH RISK NO TRANSPARENCY THREATS TO YOUR MONEY". That said, unless you -know- what it is, you can't go around saying it's a ponzi. It's incorrect.

It's going to burn when you're banned for free  .

"Let them"? As someone who railed against spreadsheet games when I first got here, I feel your pain, but keep your politics out of my bitcoin. I don't need the police telling me when and when I cannot take a piss, I don't need a crazed anonymous slandering troll telling me where I can and can't spend my money. Try giving some constructive criticism and tell people the dangers of things.

Ask Theymos if someone's thread specifically calling for action against someone and saying he will stalk them is worth banning. Not my forum, but it smells like a permaban to me. Do you disagree?

You obviously didn't read the thread.

Sounds about right.

I get this feeling as well. No sane exchange would actively libel against their customer. Even CryptoXChange has the common sense to not talk shit about people who are even PROVEN to scam and steal bank accounts and attempt to launder through them etc, because the law prohibits discussing active cases. It's clear they are only -beginning- to make this an 'actual' case after they realized their mistake and are probably not even a registered company by the looks of the continued refusal to provide basic contact information. Charlie wouldn't flinch to provide contact information. Neither would Mark Karples. If Aurumxchange is legit, why aren't they giving contact information?

That also makes perfect sense since this entire thread seemed like an -emotional- response to you directly more than anything logical. Even the people here who  believe you're a thief were taken back by their unprofessionalism in even starting this libelous, privacy agreement breaking thread.



I smell a permaban.

I don't believe Ƀ is going "up, uP, UP!",

I believe it's going horizontal, as it should go.

Would you mind helping me understand? Can you answer my questions above or are you also completely in the dark? I'll take your lack of response to each question above as a sign that you also do not know the answer to the questions and thank you anyway for your time.

Why would he get jail time? Was there a crime committed? What crime was that? Which country was it committed in? Who committed it? I'm missing some details here...

Meh, skeptical is fine. I'm skeptical myself because the Zhou talking here is -nothing- like the Zhou I've talked to either. Completely different personality. Maybe he's changed a bit. Maybe he's just busier. I'm just having a hard time swallowing the (now banned) abusive trolls here claiming hearsay as indisputable evidence is all.

Ironically, the only thing that $11k covered was the Christmas Special. Camera equipment here in Korea cost us about $8k, and scenery, source files (many which we still haven't released because we didn't finish about 10 of the skits we had planned) and editing software + some hardware upgrades for rendering ate up the rest of it.

I can't say it was a waste though as I still feel this community is stale and lacking character (or the character it has chosen is basically anti-social and troll infested). I mean, look at this thread as a clear example. The only times anyone is passionate and involved in something is when they're out for blood. It's really sad. Whenever a member of the bitcoin community stands up for what they believe in and makes a mistake, they are treated like some sort of plague by the trolls here. It's a vivid reflection of world politics, "I can't stand what's going on but I refuse to get involved, learn a skill and help change it!". Zhou Tong developed and supported an idea, as a child. Adults, with logic and reason dumped way too much money into a child's website. The website is sold to someone else. The child no longer runs or owns it, and it gets hacked. The forum's solution? Blame the child. What a sick bunch of losers they must be.

I've known Zhou Tong (never met him personally) for only about a year, but the whole time I've known him as someone who doesn't care about short term financial gain. He's turned down many offers for partnerships from exchanges and businessmen right in front of me just because he didn't see it being a good thing for bitcoin, and saw it as only a means to an end. He wanted to provide merchant services, fixed exchanges, etc, not scammy sites. He also sees Bitcoin realistically-- that it has no future through these forums and should be included alongside other real world applications, not exclusive and restrictive, constricted from ever growing.

I do know his ego and naivety all too well though. I remember getting mad at him (Vladimir was even -more- angry with him) for not changing his security policies when Vladimir basically warned him over several days to not host shit in the cloud as a practice, and Vladimir was right. Basically they had a long term disagreement. Vladimir is for linux jails, perl and collocation. Zhou is for Apple -anything-, marketing bullshit ("Our products are secure! Trust us!"), Ruby on Rails and is absolutely in love with the cloud.

It -was- stupid and careless the way Zhou ran things and Vladimir called it a hundred times. I hadn't enough experience to comment too much but always kept involved in the debates back when we casually discussed exchange's security policies etc. We all tried our best to give Zhou (a 16 year old kid at the time) the best of our collective experiences in the DCAO while he did his thing because we wanted to help keep him out of trouble. My side of the advice was mostly legal and business related (things like-- "hey, did you know running bitcoinica is probably illegal for you? You should get licensed or sell it to someone who is licensed before you end up in prison!").

I believe I was a big force in convincing him to sell Bitcoinica in the first place but I can't possibly prove that. I didn't get any commission from that sale either, I wasn't part of any bargain, I just didn't want a 17 year old ruining his life for something he saw as just a project for bitcoiners. He was very passionate about it and as a fellow developer since I was 12ish, I share the same passion. I trusted that the supposedly professional individual he was selling to (whom demanded his identity be kept private and forced an NDA although we know now it was Tihan) would take charge of the business. We also learned that this mysterious owner would also reveal his identity once it was licensed and I was told that that was why it took so long because they were working on getting a licensed company involved (which I know now was the Intersango guys).

Once things started getting rocky with the Linode hack though I realized that there was some serious trouble going on but Zhou Tong had already left the DCAO so he wasn't really accessible to me to get involved, and didn't seem keen to taking much advice anymore (I think we all pretty much assumed it was now the new owners problem). That's why when all these newbies (Whom I've already confirmed are mostly SA goons trying to troll for emotional responses) call Zhou a serial scammer and play up the situation as if he planned this from day one, I have a hard time not breaking out in laughter. I'm truly sorry for your losses (wtf@Roger!) but just as I said in the BitScalper thread, stop trusting strangers with all your money and you'll probably be better off (especially when that stranger is not even a legal adult who can't make contracts  )

Who knows, maybe Zhou is really a 40 year old dude and I've been duped. I've actually had that theory thrown to me by someone else in BitTalk Media back when we were recording the BitTalk.TV Christmas Special. I thought it was a bit absurd since I've spoken to him on the phone, but then again, maybe he was just holding a child at gunpoint to speak for him! All I know is, I still think he's only doing what he believes is best for bitcoiners and I haven't seen any arguments against him that weren't basically hearsay. (I've also been less than satisfied with his responses, but I have some common sense and realize that it could be because he's 17 years old).

For those of you who have a hard time believing things just because you're handicapped, I have a confession: I'm Atlas, Charlie Shrem is Bruno, Gavin Andreson is Satoshi and this forum is all hosted in my bedroom in Korea.


EDIT: Aww, the shad0wbitz SA troll was already banned before I could finish this response. Drat. I guess I'll settle for the other 2 SA goons in the thread.