True both are indeed very useful because it does lead to almost the same goal which is to minimize the possibility that is not wanted someday like saving which is made as a budget to minimize something that is not wanted unexpectedly which forces us to spend some money to overcome the problem, and also for investment problems of course the goal is to generate profits in the future that will be able to improve the financial situation of our lives. But as you said that people sometimes only do one of them and in my opinion more people only save without investing than investing without saving because not everyone knows about what investment is and how to invest, and also not everyone really believes in the benefits generated from investment so that makes them prefer to save.

On the other hand after reading your review I can conclude that these two things are indeed very important to support the cost of living in the future by running both simultaneously, namely saving and investing, but I think not everyone is able to do both at once because not everyone has a good income in his life so maybe they don't even do both things because of the income factor that is only enough to meet the needs of daily life.

Well I also agree with that, or I mean I agree that most likely the rich come and get involved with the purpose of just having fun when they are having a boring free time, the reason why they don't come with the purpose of making money? I think it is quite reasonable that the rich already have a good financial situation in their lives and they already have a powerful way in terms of making money so that it can make them rich, and this is the reason why I believe and indeed quite reasonable that most likely the rich come just to relieve boredom in the midst of the busy business they run.

On the contrary, it is more reasonable to say that the goal of earning in gambling is usually more often done by gamblers who are in a poor financial level, many of them hope to get a big win to improve finances in their lives, but yes, however it is the wrong mindset in gambling that ultimately leads them to many disasters such as experiencing large amounts of loss instead of earning.

Actually all traders can undergo their own learning but for basic steps I think it never hurts to find a mentor to direct them to the right and directed trading approach, because so far in some cases there are usually still quite a lot of traders who have an understanding that is skewed or out of the recommended path such as trading in the wrong way that will only harm themselves. and I understand that all these directions can be obtained through the internet but sometimes the lessons obtained are not directed or that means they get random learning and it is quite difficult to actually find information on an internet that gives them the first steps that will harm themselves, and I understand that all these directions can be obtained through the internet but sometimes the lessons are not directed or they get random learning and it is quite difficult to really find information on an internet that gives them the first steps that a beginner trader must first learn and go through.

Usually in some cases a beginner immediately jumps into trading without being based on a qualified understanding and knowledge of how to properly trade which in the end they are confused and experience losses that dominate over profits, so I think for the initial stage of introduction it doesn't matter if for example you want to learn from mentors by spending at least a little money to get the right direction on how to be a good trader and be on a harmless path and after that you can learn on your own when you already have a basic understanding.

In some cases usually people who hear stories about your winnings usually they will claim unilaterally about the rations that you have to give them from some of the winnings that you managed to get, if for example you are willing and willing to give it then maybe it won't be a problem but if for example you only tell and brag about the victory and absolutely do not want to share part of your victory with them then maybe bad things can happen, As you said, we don't know what's going on in other people's minds and they might be planning something bad in their minds like planning to take your money in an unexpected way.

Of course the solution is always better to keep your winnings a secret regardless of the amount, but if you want to share some of your winnings with them maybe it won't be a problem, but if you don't want to then it's definitely better to keep it a secret.

I think most gamblers experience the same thing, and of course that includes me as well which is probably not much different from what you're experiencing here where we get promotional messages that come to our email or to our smart phone cellular number, and it's definitely true that it can really disrupt a gambler's defenses when they're struggling to reduce their involvement in gambling or those who are struggling to quit.

This means that there are many scenarios of temptation or encouragement that can make us re-engage in gambling, because in terms of gambling, usually someone will have a desire to return to gambling and will also grow curiosity to gamble when they remember about gambling which means of course getting promotional messages from casinos via email or having a very active environment in gambling or accidentally hearing a victory that was achieved by another gambler, it can really disturb our mentality when we are trying to stop gambling, Therefore we must as much as possible completely clean something related to gambling, remove your email from your smart phone and replace it with a new email or stay away from your environment that is active with gambling, I think at least this can help, and on the other hand I agree with you that gambling every day will only increase the possibility of the number of losses and not increase the chances of winning.

What we must understand from the very beginning of gambling is that we must understand that gambling is a business for casinos whose main goal is to make a profit from some gamblers who come with the wrong mindset and understanding that will lead them to many significant losses, which means that when a gambler comes with the intention and purpose of earning then it is clearly likely that they will treat gambling in a way or approach that tends to be excessive because of the great hope of winning based on greed.

Overall I believe and I am sure that most gamblers are in a situation where the number of losses is greater than the winnings, and I think this is a natural thing because as I said above that the purpose of establishing casinos is to make profits from gamblers who are too excessive because they are based on a wrong understanding of gambling. So this is why we are advised to put the perspective and mindset that gambling is nothing more than a place to entertain ourselves when we are in boring leisure time, nothing else because when you come with the goal of earning that tends to overdo gambling then it will only make you experience a greater amount of loss because the victory will only come by "chance" and depend on luck, And in the end what is worrying is as you said and I think there are enough examples that we can learn from what other gamblers have experienced who have experienced many problems such as debt, all of which are the impact of the intention and purpose of "multiplying" in gambling.

Whoever you are, wherever you gamble and no matter how rich or poor your living situation is if you are involved in gambling then obviously the most important thing is to "risk the amount that you can afford or that you can be responsible for" especially for losing, absolutely no one should take a level of risk that is beyond your ability, no matter how rich you are, because in gambling all the wealth you have can be used up in an instant.

So I think it's rationally ridiculous to ask who should take more risk between a rich gambler and a poor gambler, of course the advice is to take the amount of risk that is commensurate, or according to your ability, or maybe even better is to take the amount of risk that is equivalent to the ability of a poor person if you are a rich person, then obviously the possibility of losing significant amounts of money will be minimized.

Well exactly I completely agree with your opinion buddy, in gambling there is absolutely no guarantee whatsoever to be able to end the session with a win, there is no accurate way or strategy that can bring you to victory, and also as you said and I completely agree that each gambling session has nothing to do with the next gambling session, for example when now you win with a large amount for example which makes you very happy but this incident cannot be used as a benchmark that in the next session or at a later time you will be able to get another win, of course in the end the results of gambling will always be different, or simply different times then different results too.

However, this is a fatal misconception that exists in the mindset of a gambler, one of the reasons seems to be that they are too hopeful about winning so they have high confidence that in the next session they will win again, even though this can never be known, there is no guarantee and no certainty because victory in gambling always comes by "chance".

Honestly, I really can't just trust those who are called experts, and also I suspect that it seems likely that there are even quite a lot of previous victims who have lost large amounts of money when following the predictions of experts, and yes as you said that most likely they only claim or admit that they are experts which means that it is a "recognition" of themselves and does not mean being "recognized" by others. Yes, the logic is like what you said, my friend, that if for example they have a strategy that is quite accurate then surely they will prefer to use it themselves and will not share it with others.

I think there is no need to be too serious about looking for various ways to win, stick to the mindset and belief that only luck can bring you to victory, and it is better to focus and prioritize yourself on risk management such as strengthening boundaries and self-control because if you are lucky then you will also win and maybe with a large enough amount, and what we have to think about here is minimizing significant risks because in some cases someone can lose everything they have when they are unable to control and manage their emotions.

Of course because as I said above that trading is a part-time job and not a job that can provide the main income, because the main income is something that can always give you a guarantee in a certain period of time that you will be able to earn money or earn, while trading has a level of risk that sometimes cannot be avoided completely and this is why I think the better decision and approach is to make trading a side profession to supplement your main income.

The downside of making trading a priority to earn or making it your only job is that there may be times when you need money for living expenses that cannot be tolerated while you are losing money in trading. As you said, the purpose of maintaining a main job is to ensure that our needs will still be met without having interruptions when you experience losses in trading, or simply even if you experience losses in trading but you still have a main job that will be able to provide you with income to make ends meet.

One of the reasons why a trader is always required and advised to have a plan and put limits on his trading activity is to limit excessive activity, because it is a sure thing that when you are too long in front of the monitor analyzing the market then over time you will lose focus in yourself which will make you make careless decisions. Limits in trading are to limit the time of running sessions and limit the amount of budget allocated and of course the benefit of these limits is to keep our brains and minds awake and avoid some careless decisions due to too long analyzing the market that can make us lose focus.

On the other hand as you said that good traders are those who can organize and manage their trading activities which means knowing and having the ability and planning about when to row and when to pull over. Trading involves money where in trading the possibility of risk will always lurk a trader, and the fear is that when a trader is too long in front of the monitor then there is a possibility that they will lose focus in themselves due to being too tired in analyzing the market which ultimately makes them make the wrong decision.

That's right, and as we know that lately there are a lot of influencers who broadcast these promotions and besides that they also sometimes become one of the figures filling out an advertisement for several types of trading brokers by saying things that at first glance look and sound very tempting and of course as a result many people are interested in getting involved in the world of trading with high hopes of getting a lot of benefits to change financially in life, when in fact when you have entered a market then that's where you will start to get confused especially in response to the many losses that make your money disappear significantly.

However it is a correct and realistic statement that trading is not an intermediary for getting rich quickly, in any case success does not come by itself but success must be picked up or pursued with dedication or sacrifice and unusual hard work and this is the reason why not everyone can be successful in any field including trading, so I hope you or whoever it is not easily attracted by everything that looks tantalizing that comes in a short way, of course the solution is always to use common sense and rational point of view so as not to regret it in the end.

That's right, the main ailment of most gamblers is the inability to accept the fact of losing which eventually leads to many impulsive decisions such as continuing gambling with the intention and purpose of recovering something that has been lost. And I can already conclude that they are irresponsible gamblers or maybe I will also call them losers who only want to win but are not ready to lose. However, gambling is always about winning and losing, only those two and you will always end the session with one of the two possibilities between winning or losing but most gamblers experience losing more often than winning which is the reason because the percentage of winning is much smaller than losing.

The truth is not to be too ambitious in terms of dealing with winning and there is no need to put too high expectations on winning because it will only make you experience significant disappointment when it turns out that the session ends in defeat, after all, if for example you are lucky enough then you will also be able to get a win like other gamblers get, so it is better to focus on being able to accept the fact of losing rather than putting excessive expectations on winning which in the end will only make you even more disappointed.

Honestly, I am not sure that there is a gambler who is really able to accept a large amount of defeat, and we should be able to find out about what their intention is actually gambling from the amount of budget they allocate, if for example they allocate an amount that tends to be large or even close to 80% of the total amount of their income per month from their main job then I think I can conclude that their intention and purpose of gambling is to multiply the money they bring in with the hope of getting a big win.

With the goal of multiplying the money they bring with them then I think it is obvious that if they end up losing then they will not have the ability to accept the fact of losing, I am sure that they will be emotional and unable to calm their emotions which in turn the situation encourages them to do some out of control actions such as chasing the winnings to restore something that has been lost which will actually only lead them to a lot of stress, In the end, as you said, it is best to gamble by putting the amount of budget that we can afford especially for losing, that approach is useful to minimize emotions and out of control actions that lead you to a lot of impulsive decisions.

Yes but the main problem here is that they have a habit that involves the use of money, no matter if for example you are a responsible gambler even still in the end the possibility of losing money is a sure thing, and simply put if for example you are not involved in gambling then there will be no amount of money lost even if the amount is not large, so even if the habit you have before you get married still when you get married then you should tell your partner about you having this habit.

As we know that when we have entered the household phase, the responsibility will be even greater because usually there will be a lot of money allocated to meet many needs where it is better for us to use the money to meet family needs than to gamble. Actually this will not be a problem if for example you have other habits that do not involve the risk of losing money even if for example you keep it a secret from your partner, but if for example the habit is gambling then in my opinion it is better to tell your partner, lest it causes problems in the end when you unconsciously turn into an impulsive gambler which is clear your partner will also scold you. What we have to look at here is "having a gambling habit" which involves the risk of losing money, it is this context that should be of concern.

Yes if we go back to examine gambling as a whole, especially in terms of generating winnings where most of the winnings occur only because of luck then from here we can already conclude that most likely someone who is called an expert only "admits" that he is an expert in prediction but his recognition will not be "recognized" by people who have become their victims, meaning they do not have a 100% accurate strategy in terms of predicting but they have a smart strategy to deceive many people about their claims of expertise.

I think if we think using common sense and rational thinking then I think at first glance we should be able to conclude that no one can predict the outcome of gambling 100% accurately, I will believe it if you are basically someone who owns a casino or if you are the owner of the casino who really knows all the secret keys to winning gambling but if you are nothing more than an ordinary person and do not have any personal relationship with the casino then I think the idea of "experts" cannot be trusted.

And if we are talking about sports betting then yes of course I think it is still difficult to really predict accurately even if you have pretty good skills and knowledge, one of the reasons is because there are still many possibilities that can happen on the field unexpectedly such as the team you bet on having a red card that makes the opposing team superior in terms of the number of players which obviously there is a big possibility of the opposing team to win and the team you bet on losing, so of course the conclusion is that it is better to bet your own way because maybe you have better luck than the experts.

Well true, I understand that all typical gamblers would never turn down a win including those responsible gamblers who come just for entertainment but on the other hand it is a fact that gambling is always about the chances of winning and the possibility of losing which means that winning is nothing more than a "possibility" and losing is a certainty, and yes I think you can draw a conclusion from this idea which means that we should be more prepared to accept the possibility of losing because it is a sure thing when luck is not on your side.

Overall winning always refers to luck while on the other hand one can never know when they are lucky and luck cannot come continuously which means there will be more losses in between than wins and this is the reason why we should focus more on preparing ourselves to accept the fact of losing, and one of the other benefits of having the ability to accept defeat is that you will not experience emotions that are too significant which is usually the emotion that makes gamblers deepen the amount of loss with the act of chasing victory to restore something that has been lost due to the inability to accept defeat, and another thing is of course not to put too much hope in winning because it will only make you feel more disappointed when you finally lose.

In fact, I think addiction will start when someone manages to get a win in one of the sessions they do, which is the reason is money is something that everyone always needs and wants and when they manage to get a lot of money just by gambling (without having to sweat a lot) then there will be a sense of addiction and they want to continue to get a win so that the mindset and expectations lead them to excessive gambling actions.

Usually the addiction starts from the first win where they feel very happy and excited about the win which in turn leads to excessive action, but on the other hand as Ana said that defeat is part of the game which means that the results at the end of the session will not always be about winning but defeat is a definite result that in the end when the results do not match expectations then usually they do not have the ability to accept the fact of defeat which makes them emotional and take actions that will only harm themselves more, namely chasing victory to restore something that has been lost, and simply put is that when someone has entered the addiction phase then they will always be addicted when they succeed in winning which makes them apply greed and they will be more curious when experiencing defeat.

In my opinion and from a fairly reasonable point of view about the reasons why someone prefers to hide their gambling activities from the public eye is quite simple which you have also said the right thing that one of the reasons they hide it is because they are afraid or worried that people in their environment will view them as someone who has a bad personality because they are involved in gambling, and obviously this negative viewpoint can cause other problems in their life and one of them may reduce the level of socialization between them and others around them.

There is a high probability that the people around them will stay away from them and also maybe by throwing some criticism for fear of being exposed to the bad effects of gambling by the gambler, and also obviously I think there is a high probability that other people will reduce their trust in the gambler and when people no longer have trust in you then most likely you will have difficulty in life when you need help from them in any case, and this is quite a reasonable reason why people prefer to hide their gambling activities.

True, it is always recommended to have a main job when you are involved in trading, which when you have a main job and do not make trading your main income then you will not have problems in terms of making ends meet that cannot be tolerated because you have a definite income from the main job. And as we know that trading has risks where the worst thing and what is feared is that maybe you will experience problems in terms of making ends meet when making trading as the main income, the reason is because as I said above that basic needs can never be tolerated while trading will not always be able to give you profits because of the possible risks that can occur at any time.

The right approach and the right mindset is to make trading a part-time job that is useful to supplement your income from the main job, and even if for example you manage to become a fairly professional trader by always being able to make a profit or when you are already in a situation where your profits are greater than losses then I think at that time you can think of a new plan, you can quit your main job but on the other hand you also have to build another place that can provide you with income such as maybe a business or other things that can provide a fairly certain profit.