Western-style capitalism, where businesses and individuals are free to own businesses, property, and trade freely internationally, often fighting against government interference, regulation, and corruption. This is in contrast to Eastern-style "capitalism" practiced in Russia and China, where businesses, resources, and means of production are mostly owned and controlled by government, or owned by oligarchs who pretty much steal them through bureaucracy and their ties to government officials. There is socialist corruption slowly spreading through USA and Europe, too, but at least it's being resisted. Russia just full on embraced it.


Actually, in that case what we saw was western-style capitalism getting an interest in investing in and mining that gas in Donbass, but Russian government-owned oil and gas companies feeling threatened, and invading a foreign country to distabilize that capitalism, and probably steal the resources again.


Russian lie that has never been proven. More importantly, all the people that were protesting would have been protesting regardless of whether 5 billion dollars were spent or not. They were not doing it for money, and my friends who protested were never paid to protest, or know anyone who was paid. They were protesting because Yanukovich was starting to be a dictator. That's it.


Seriously? That's a new one! How is creating a coup destabilizing Russia? NOT destabilizing Ukraine with a coup would have severely destabilized Russia by letting Ukraine mine and sell gas to Europe.


I'm not anti-russian because I don't like Russians. I'm anti-russian, Russian government, because of their lies, propaganda, extreme anti-ukrainianism, and most importantly because they invaded my country and lied about it.


If you really believe this, then you have been really really misinformed. Russia has been just as imperialist when it was Soviet Union, and hasn't improved much since then. They have invaded and sabotaged Moldova, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and now Ukraine, and that's just under Putin.

But let's look at this from a bitcoin perspective. Bitcoins ultimate long-term goal is to make it impossible for governments to monitor and control trade, and extremely difficult to collect taxes. Basically, government control and bureaucracy will mostly become unenforceable and obsolete.

What this means for "Western-Capitalist" countries: taxes are greatly reduced, business is much more free and uninhibited, personal and business freedoms are expanded, because things like government discrimination against drug use or any other private actions are too costly to enforce, as are unnecesary regulations against businesses. With government drastically weakened, corporations no longer need to influence government to protect themselves from competitors, so no more corporate corruption. Businesses have to earn money the old fashioned way. Best of all, since taxes are difficult to obtain and money can't just be printed out of thin air, military becomes impossibly expensive, so is forced to be reduced to protection only, or replaced with private security. No more unnecessary wars, unless some company wants to pay for it completely by itself, which is unlikely, since it would bankrupt them.

What this means for Russia: not much, since Russian government owns the oil and the energy companies that most of Russia's income comes from (this is called fascism or communism BTW, depending on whom you ask). The already corrupt government of oligarchs will continue to use their wealth and power to steal (Putin is estimated to have stolen $150 billion from Russian people through corrupt business and government practices). There is no reason for them to stop oppressing the media and personal freedoms: they can afford it. Worse yet, most people are apathetic and accept it (those who don't are arrested), and the church is quickly rising to power, working together with government for the goal of controlling people. Thanks to them Russia banned homosexuality, regularly prosecutes "obscenities," and is becoming a theocratic state. This kind of oppression needs no money, just brainwashed masses (just like Islamic oppression in poor Middle Eastern countries). Taxation in Russia is low to begin with, with high tax evasion prevalent. Worst of all, they can still afford the military that they send to places like Ukraine and Georgia. About the only positive change from bitcoin is that private anonymous funding will allow for privately funded bounties and assassination markets, meaning people like Putin and other oligarchs that piss off nations by invading them may find themselves being hunted by opportunists. As will many other dictators.

And please don't delude yourself, Putin, with 3 terms of often questionable elections, %87 support, practically guarantee to get a fourth term, and his sights set on life time presidency, is a dictator in everything but name.

I'm sure Kiev would like to capture and prosecute those criminals, but it's a bit busy right now fighting the Russians. Maybe if those Russians will stop fighting Ukrainians, and help them find those Aidar criminals...

But you said Mariupol majority are anti-Kiev? Sure, they wouldn't have as many weapons as Ukraine army until Russia arms them, but shouldn't the rebels have been in Mariupol to begin with? It's a rebel city if majority are already anti-Kiev. Why were they sitting around doing nothing, waiting for some OTHER rebels to come to them? And where did those other rebels get their weapons? All of this doesn't make any sense, unless you look at it from the point of "rebels want to TAKE OVER Mariupol," which they didn't hold control of due to it not supporting rebels before.


Are you you sure about that? http://hrw.org/news/2014/08/28/ukraine-rebel-forces-detain-torture-civilians


According to the ACTUAL UN, and not the one made up by Russia,  "The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, also known as the United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR), says that more than 168,000 people crossed the border from Ukraine into Russia." Not quite the 900,000 you said. Don't forget that just this Spring Russia published tons of news about 670,000 Ukrainian refugees crossing into Russia BEFORE the fighting even started, with the reason being "they were afraid of the far-right fascist government," and for proof posted pictures of Ukrainians crossing a border that was later revealed to actually be the Polish border. No such mass migrations of Ukrainians were ever found or proven, but the 6700,000 number stuck, and seems to have been growing. By the end of the year, it may even be 5,000,000.



I'm sure you misspoke or confused something here, because there are 45.49 million people in Ukraine. Even if 900,000 of them left, that's only 2% of Ukrainians, not 85%.

About time! Ukraine has turned away from them months ago, shortly after Maidan protests when they were publicly derided, and during national elections when they were humiliated at the polls. Glad the rest of Europe is catching up.

Are you sure? I'd love to hear more about your high IQ, and your vast knowledge of trolling, and about how super duper important you are. Please! Keep enlightening us? It's so... USEFUL!

Yes, aiming for way less than that. But not final yet, since we aren't completely finished with everything.

Sorry to disappoint you, but in Russia "there are now an estimated 50,000 to 70,000 neo-Nazis, half of the world's total."

Ukraine would have to have the entire second half of the world's total neo-Nazis just to have as many of them as Russia does. And "Far-right wing ultranationalist groups, some of which were involved in open clashes with security forces during the EuroMaidan protests, are not represented in the Rada." In fact, the far-right party got less than 1% of the vote nationally, and Ukraine had the lowest vote for far right party of any recent European election, including UK. Poroshenko is a center-left businessman, not a far right nationalist.

Note that the only obvious neo-Nazi on this forum, 247crypto, is Russian.


It is PAINFULLY ironic that you guys don't see how JFK's speech applies to the Russian government just as much as the US one. Especially the "Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised," considering all the arrests and assassinations of journalists in Russia.

Difference this time is that nobody actually has to go into it. It just got put in the corner and told it can't play with the rest of the kids in the world.

Doge was not in price equilibrium, and miners were typically using Doge for random things, not selling on the market to pay for mining expenses. So Doge's inflation wasn't really affecting the economy or the price. Bitcoin's inflation is affecting the economy, since about $1,800,000 worth of bitcoins are mined and sold every day. Cut that in half, and it should go up.

Don't you have a job to sustain yourself and your daughter with? Or were your savings the things you were living off of?

I was just about to post that too. Really cool!

That's right. It uses the open/free frequency spectrum, and only sends short bursts of data to transmit transactions, instead of a steady connection.

I wasn't aware that Iraq was interfeering with global oil supply routes, or with oil production at all. When that whole thing happened, he wasn't really doing much of anything at all. And now Iraq's oil is being pumped by Lukoil, a Russian company. So the only switch was China, then US, and now Russia. I still don't understand how this would affect global oil supplies and prices. Iraq doesn't have a monopoly on the stuff.

I'm not even Jewish   And yes, keep telling yourself fairy tales. Why are you on this forum again? You have no posts anywhere but this threat, and are only talking about how the evil jews are taking over the world, and your all powerful Soviet Russia will save the world from them. You're basically a russian troll here only to disrupt and spread more russian propaganda. I'm actually glad you are here, because you paint the rest of the pro-russia morons on here with a broad crazy brush, greatly diminishing their side's arguments. So, thank you. But, seriously, why are you debating how totalitarian russia will free the world from western oppression on a frigin Bitcoin forum, a forum for discussing technology that is all about establishing western style capitalism on a global level, and one that will, hopefully, completely destroy russia's corrupt government (and all other corrupt governments) someday?

Maybe they already moved to Russia? How do you know the city still has 500,000? And why would the pro-ukrainians have more guns than pro-separatists, especially with so many separatists in the area?

By the way, what will happen to the thousands of pro-ukrainians who live in Mariupol if the separatists take it over? Will they be banished from the city? Arrested and tortured like other ukraine supporters?

"Ethnic Cleansing" - forcibly removing a specific ethnicity from a country. Such as Russia removing Tatars from Crimea, or massacring Georgians in Abkhazia (or, rather, by "volunteers" from Russia).

I don't know who those guys are. You are bringing them up. Maybe you should explain who they are, and why they are important, or what they have to do with Ukrainian government and Ukrainian army. Otherwise it's just as easy to find a bunch of random videos of Russians and Russian neo-nazis chanting anti-Ukraine slogans, but all that will demonstrate is that there are crazy people in the world. Want me to show you Americans in military uniforms proclaiming death to American government? Easy enough to find too I'm sure.

As for that minister, of course Putin is huylo. Even Moscow police know he is huylo.

I wonder if that means that the "Breadbasket of Europe" Ukraine will pick up the slack from Russian sanctions, and increase their grain exports to EU along with their GDP?

Where does that come from? Were we heavily dependent on Iraq oil? I don't remember Iraq threatening to stop selling it.

I don't know how. Is it in the Ukrainian law, the Ukrainian military handbook, or stated by Poroshenko? If not, why are you bringing it up?