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521  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 26, 2018, 09:45:15 PM
I couldn't find the info, how many smerits we have. As full member I only had 5 sMerits to spend.
Is that for every full member that amount?
You couldnt even read the first post, could you?
522  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A pizza was ordered in the first transaction of BITCOIN on: January 26, 2018, 09:18:24 PM
I think that now that pizza maker is in some remote part of the Pacific Ocean with his Bugatti in the crystal garage in his mega-attic.
Or still working his minimum wage post at Domino's.
523  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A pizza was ordered in the first (real world) transaction of BITCOIN on: January 26, 2018, 09:06:39 PM
Do you have any source for this claim? The only famous pizza purchase using bitcoin that I'm aware of is the following: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137.0.
Of course , i just read this thing from fossybyte , please read number 4 fact of this link
http://fossbytes.com/interesting-bitcoin-facts/
Satoshi and Finney  ordered pizza and give the bill through bitcoin , it was priced $25 and 10000 bitcoin.
It was 2009.
That's wrong though, while Satoshi did make the first transaction to a key controlled by Hal,
neither of them were involved in the pizza purchase by laszlo a year later.

You need to learn reading better.
And of course people here know about it, the purchase took place here (or rather was started here).
524  Other / Meta / Re: DeMerit? Suggestion: Terminations. on: January 26, 2018, 08:33:57 PM
I see your point and the problem you are addressing is real. However how to ensure that the "terminator" would act according to the spirit you've outlined and not to his own personal biases?
Being a terminator/merit patroller (I'll use terminators in my post) is a privilege, and can be taken away from you at any given time.
As there is likely a low amount of terminations (few people able to do it, with limits per person), there should be a collective page publicly showing all terminations (as part of the merit stats).
In first instance, terminators would regulate and check themselves. If a terminator goes out of line, the others report it to theymos and the position is taken away from them/their actions are being undone.

I have to point out that this very OP is calling for a way to delete the merit that the OP of DeepOnion is receiving by its community.
This is not exactly the case you have been advocating. You may like or not like DeepOnion, but that is not a case of accounts farming and the OP of their thread is not exactly irrelevant since it has got so much follow up.
My reply is indeed only indirectly related the OP.
I took this thread to suggest the system as it is one of the threads currently discussing options to reverse merit or introduce negative merits.
It simply was the first thread when I opened Meta that discusses this, so I decided to post in here (instead of opening yet another thread about the same topic).

Which remind us of the old Latin quote: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? = Who controls the controllers?
Theymos.



One question though - do you suggest this happen only with already Merited posts? i.e. if a 'Terminator' (sounds fun terminology!) sees a spammy/extremely low quality and irrelevant post, and it isn't Merited, can they still 'DeMerit' that post, so the total Merit of the account goes down? Or is this just for already Merited posts only?
No, this would only apply to merited posts. You could terminate a post without merit and thus keep it from getting any merit in the future (as long as you have the terminator privilege),
But keep in mind that the terminations you have are limited, so it would likely be a waste of a termination.
You could not remove merit from someone by terminating one of their posts that isn't merited in the first place.

If it's the latter, then may I present my suggestion from another thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828453.0. This will help the 'Terminators' police the forum much more effectively.
Reading up on this, I like the idea.
I called the usergroup "merit patrollers" because of something like this. The Patrol page lets you browse posts from Newbies and is meant to ease up reporting/moderation.
A Merit Patrol page could be formed that shows merited pages and eases up merit-"moderation".
525  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What is Xpub address? on: January 26, 2018, 08:15:23 PM
The xpub key is a master public key. You can see it as a collective list of all addresses in a HD wallet (both already used and unused).
As the xpub key is a public key, it doesn't allow people to spend funds (you would need the master private key / xpriv key for that),
but it does allow people to listen in on all your transactions and balances, xpub keys are eg used in read-only wallets.
526  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 26, 2018, 08:02:26 PM
I've suggested a system to introduce "negative merit" through a light/limited way in another thread discussing deMerit/antiMerit.
The essentials of the idea are that terminators can delete merit ratings and thus prevent farming or abuse, maybe not fully, but at least some of it.
The full details of my suggestion can be found over here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827699.msg28992369#msg28992369
527  Other / Meta / DeMerit? Suggestion: Terminations. on: January 26, 2018, 07:29:00 PM
Personally, I'm against a publicly available demerit option. I think, as mentioned several times already, the abuse potential is just way too high.
People currently are worried about possible abuse with the positive merit system, add negative merits, there are many more angles for abuse and malicious actors.
This is however just my opinion and expectation.



What I could get behind on the other hand is giving a few people the ability to terminate single merited posts.
We could call this group "merit patrollers" (the quickest way would be giving sources the option, but there could be an independent selection forming another group with different users).
This should be a limited ability both in availability (users allowed to do so) and volume (every patroller gets X terminations per month).
Terminations carry more weight than regular merit, and should thus be further limited (the average source size is ~200 sMerit per month, so termination could go at 10% of that, 20 on average).

What do I mean with "terminate"?
Right now, when I come across a post that is obviously spammy and was merited, I cannot do anything about it. I might spot someone farming merit with their alt account, or just giving it to spam posts to troll.
I can report that, I can investigate that, but I cannot do anything against the action itself, directly.
I might give the people involved negative trust for abusing the merit system, but that is only an indirect option and shouldn't be utilized, imo.
The merit is given, the result stays the same. I'm powerless there.

This is a huge difference to the trust system (I dont like that comparison, but it seems near), where I can counter positive ratings with a negative one and the other way around.
So what if I could counter merit? I don't mean giving demerit directly, but rather reversing a given merit rating from other people.

The way I could see this work is that when we have a spam post merited by one or more people, merit patroller have the option to terminate this post.
The merit received (and the sMerit) would at this point be taken away from the user that wrote the post, but not given back to the sender (as a punishment).
A termination would be shown right after the list of merits collected (example "Merited by TMAN (5), SFR10 (2), asu (2), TryNinja (2); Terminated by theymos (-11").
A termination would also mean that the post can no longer be merited.
However, termination are specific to posts, you decide that one post shouldn't have merit, not that one user shouldn't have it
528  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: COINCHECK HACKED - Biggest hack in history [XRP&NEM] on: January 26, 2018, 07:00:24 PM
In a Telegram group I read that it was around 125.000.000 XRP that was also stolen from them
Was there a source given with that info?
CoinDesk cites Bloomberg as source and provides the following numbers:
$533M stolen in total, and 500M XEM (already worth over $500M if we use todays starting price).

125M XRP added to that would mean the total is a lot higher, which seems unlikely, given todays press conference by coincheck.
529  Other / Meta / Re: Why I don't want to be a merit source. on: January 26, 2018, 06:26:19 PM
The way you are going, you'll be the first LAMP (Legendary Awarded Merit Points) - that's the new elite group of Legendaries that have earnt their ranking, and not just got it as a result of posting volume.
I just came to say hello.



(on topic: I do appreciate the way Tman approaches spending their sMerit. Should they run out, I wouldn't mind taking over or supplying them with new ones)
530  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: COINCHECK HACKED - Biggest hack in history [NEM] on: January 26, 2018, 06:17:50 PM
No mention of XRP, the 500M XEM already covers the full amount,
so I assume OP has misread or maybe mistaken XEM as XRP because they are not familiar with it?



Holy f*ck though, that is a big sum to lose.
531  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Neues Forum Ranking System / Merit System (FAQ) - Was denkt ihr? on: January 25, 2018, 10:56:05 PM
@Lutpin du hast doch sowohl was activity als auch was merit angeht schon legendary status erreicht? Wieso wird mir bei dir "nur" hero member angezeigt?
Kommt bzw. kam "Legendary" nicht immer einfach nur irgendwann zwischen 775 und 1030 activity? Also muss er nicht zwangsläufig Legendary sein..?!
Genau, Merit Grenze ist fest bei 1000, die Activity Grenze ist von Account zu Account unterschiedlich.
Naja, so lange kanns ja dann nicht mehr dauern Cheesy
532  Other / Meta / Re: If merit points are intended to improve post quality, why haven't.....? on: January 25, 2018, 09:18:31 PM
It's been a day. Just one. Give it a week, or even better, give it a month.
Expecting changes like this to have a noticable impact on all sections of the forum without any delay is odd.

You've made a start. Others who read and enjoy the SD/IT section will follow, eventually.
533  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Neues Forum Ranking System / Merit System (FAQ) - Was denkt ihr? on: January 25, 2018, 09:14:32 PM
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Wie erfolgt die Punkteverteilung?

Aktuell erhält jeder User Merit und sMerits im Verhältnis 2:1. (Beispiel: Ein Fullmember erhält 100 Meritpunkte und 50 sMerits.)

das haut nicht hin, ich habe als  Sr. Member 22 sMerits zum verteilen bekommen.

Hm das ist komisch. Hat da jemand mehr Informationen? Oder ist das nur ein Fehler im neuen System?
Das ist so gewollt. Die Verteilung bei erhaltenen Merits ist 2:1 mit sMerits.
Die Verteilung bei den Ausgangswerten lag darunter, Einfluss darauf hatten der Rang, und wie aktiv der Nutzer im letzten Jahr war.
So konnten Legendaries bis zu 200 sMerit bei der ersten Verteilung bekommen, Heros bis zu 88.
534  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 25, 2018, 06:23:37 PM
TWO LEGENDARY come saying.
I hope listen to more, and look forward how Newbee say.
I'm not a legendary, am I allowed to agree with them?

Woohoo one of them is me
You've got 24 hours Wink
535  Other / Meta / Re: Deleting merited post? on: January 25, 2018, 06:14:27 PM
Is this the new trick to gain merit?



It stays. No need to further test.
What also stays is a permanent log of that merit. The log will be made public soon. No private transfers, full disclosure.
536  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Neues Forum Ranking System / Merit System (FAQ) - Was denkt ihr? on: January 25, 2018, 05:22:43 PM
-> wie genau bekommt man jetzt diese sMerits? Werden die von anderen User ebenfalls verteilt, oder füllt sich der Account automatisch wieder auf, um anderen Usern Merits geben zu können? Versteht das jmd.?
Beispiel: Ich will dir 10 merit geben. Dazu benötige ich 10 sMerit, diese werden von meinem Konto abgezogen.
Du bekommst 10 Merit und dazu zusätzlich 5 sMerit.
Mit diesen 5 sMerit kannst Du nun weiter Merit verteilen, beispielsweise 4 sMerit an Person_2, die daraufhin 4 merit und 2 sMerit bekommt.

sMerit füllen sich also wieder auf, wenn du selbst Merit bekommst, und zwar 1 sMerit für jede 2 Merit.
537  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 25, 2018, 05:02:25 PM
So can I...continue posting, ooooor?
Only if the next post of yours is revealing all of your alt accounts. The gangsta's eyes are always watching.
Top to bottom? Ok, so there is
exus, HCP, anakrea, iqi94, franky1, Fattcatt, glennmatthews, Xynerise, hilariousetc, alexanderisora, Coding Enthusiast, TheQuin, curiosity81, SM23031997, peterparker9191, onleines, Dario3000,...
Oh wait, that is not the list of my alt accounts, that's the list of merit I've given. My bad.
538  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 25, 2018, 04:52:28 PM
So can I...continue posting, ooooor?

539  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 25, 2018, 04:04:46 PM
Nonsense. Look at Lutpin: he went from 500 to over 1000 in less than a day. Granted, he's an exceptional individual, but it proves that the path to Legendary status is not impossible.
I'm curious to see which posts got points (Lutpin: care to share the list?). I'm mainly curious to see if it's (partially) used as a popularity contest so to speak.
I had to zoom out a bit ~ https://i.snag.gy/0L9j74.jpg
If anyone wants to run numbers (not sure what you might be interested in), knock yourself out.

I'd say 70% in this thread and threads related to the new system.
And 30% in the SMAS thread which I've started/maintain.

(For comparison, I have made 123 posts the last 24 hours. I'm excited about this, I want to discuss it. Sue me. not you, quickseller. please not you.)
540  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 25, 2018, 03:49:26 PM
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...There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

From any signature-camp participant perspective: not sharing points benefits me, as I make it harder for new ones to rank up and become a competition for me, making it easier to get the spot in campaign and could keep payment rates higher. It also increases the value of my account.

If someone is only concerned with sig campaigns and/or account trading then yes, there are probably ways to abuse the system. Hopefully the overall impact will reduce spam sufficiently to outweigh potential negatives but this may take a few weeks to settled down. Once the initial sMerit bonus is gone we'll start seeing how this actually works.
If you are seen to receive a lot of Merit but not send out Merit yourself, peole would stop sending Merit to you, as that equals burning them.
Eventually, you'd be stuck with those sMerit you have aquired at the beginning, while everyone is participating in rewarding posts.
Or in other words: you'd lock yoruself out from the merit system.
(This assumes the majority of the people participating behaves in a responsible way)
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