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681  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: July 13, 2017, 01:42:10 PM
I hardly think so. Gamblers only stop gambling when they have nothing else to gamble. Regardless if they already won or not, this will always be the case. Humans just have an insatiable want and winning any amount from gambling is never enough. Right now, you can say that 1BTC is already a good profit for you and you will withdraw right away when you win that amount, but sooner or later your nature of being a human will catch up to you. You will see yourself betting once again because you want even more profits. The ending would be you losing all that money or at least losing a significant percentage of it.
682  Economy / Economics / Re: If Bitcoin goes up very high should i buy a house? on: July 13, 2017, 01:08:42 PM
If Bitcoin goes up very high should i buy a house?

Ive been thinking if it went into very high figures i could cash out 80-90% of bitcoin and buy a house outright with no mortgage.  Is that even a good idea though? - basically 80% of networth in a house hmmm.  On the other hand i dont want to have a mortgage and im fed up with renting due to landlords, letting agents and lack of control.
Yes you could buy a house if you have an enough money to buy your own house. And you should find a person that who is selling a house and do accepts bitcoin as payment but if they don't you can convert your bitcoin into cash so you can buy a house that you want.

So if a house is worth one hundred thousand dollars and I have one hundred thousand dollars, I should buy that house? I already have enough money so I should buy it? I think that's no plan at all. You have to plan out how much money will be left on you once you bought that house. After buying a house, you also have to buy appliances, you have to pay the carpenter for fixing the hidden issues, etc. There's even maintenance fee. There's a lot of things to pay for after buying a house so you have to save a lot of extra money first. House should be affordable first before you buy it and it is said that to be able to say that you afford something, you should be able to afford two of it.
683  Economy / Economics / Re: Why have Bitcoin instead of cash? on: July 13, 2017, 12:20:52 PM
I would like to add the point that governments could not devalue your money by just simply announcing as it was made in india during demonitization by devaluing the high value currency notes.If indians have already known about bitcoins,they would not have suffered in india during demonitization. They would have just had their savings in bitcoins and would have had peaceful life.

I doubt that. Simply because the Indians surely know about dollars and they could have converted their money to dollars through Paypal, yet most of them didn't do it. Bitcoin could have been a safe haven for them but so is any other active currencies. Others would be so skeptical about bitcoin just like any other newbies. Indian people didn't see it coming for sure because if they did, they should have avoided this.

It will still be the same zero sum game. You bought bitcoins from other Indian people, they get your Indian fiat (I don't know what it's called). The currency stopped having value, so the guy that sold you bitcoins would have that worthless paper. You saved yourself, but in exchange, the other would have to suffer; be it an exchanger or a person.
684  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do you trade at multiple exchanges? on: July 12, 2017, 12:24:58 PM
Most of the time there difference of price exists so do you withdraw bitcoins from one exchange and sell at higher rate exchange?

I use multiple exchanges but not for this reason. Yes it is true that you can earn some money by buying at a low price at one exchange and then selling at a high price at another exchange. But with the transaction time, I don't know if it's really achievable. Maybe if you know programming and can set a script for VPS, then this might work out. I'm using multiple exchanges only because there are coins that are not in bittrex. There are coins that are in bittrex but not in liqui and vice versa. There's also etherdelta and tidex where new coins are available already but not on bittrex and liqui.
685  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: did you place all your funds into bitcoin? on: July 12, 2017, 12:14:21 PM
Nope. Most of my funds are actually on altcoins. My bitcoins are here to support me on my daily spending. The altcoin market is a holy grail for a trader like me. Bitcoin can go up and down but in altcoin, coins will go down significantly and then go up significantly too after a month or so. That's the case to most new coins because the bounty participants dump their coins, hence, the low price. Then investors will come in, hence, the high price. There's nothing wrong with believing in bitcoins but with the August 1 scenario, things are becoming uncertain. We don't know how will it affect the price and we definitely don't know how will it bitcoin itself.
686  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do you deal with loss? on: July 12, 2017, 12:03:16 PM
So in trading how do you deal with loss? For example you've invested in an alt and now it has fallen quite hard and you're on the brink of losing all your bitcoin you invested in it.
How do you actually deal with it? Do you wait and keep on waiting in hope that it will bounce back up and return your investment or you sell and get whatever left of your investment?


As of now, I'm just waiting in hope that the price will at least go higher than the ICO price of the coins that I have. Losses sure are normal and you would encounter that a lot especially when you are just starting out. Accept the fact that there are bad days and there are good days. It's not the end of the world when you lose money. Take it as a challenge for you to perform better for future trades. You can lose now but you can certainly recover that at some point. It's not "Game Over" when you lose some money from trading. Your life will go on and you will have better trading opportunities in the future.

One thing, don't cry about your losses. Don't even think about it. It's okay to be frustrated at first but know that you have to move on.
687  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is 1000 btc Possible on: July 12, 2017, 11:52:18 AM
There are a few altcoins, which have given up to 10,000% returns in the past. Even Bitcoin gave 100,000,000% returns between 2009 and 2013. But you can't expect such returns from BTC in the future, as it has grown so much.

And in 2009, at least one forecast said that in the coming years bitcoin will give such a huge profit? No one could have guessed that. Therefore, logical reflection here is not always appropriate. Fiat will not give such a profit, but it can give a crypto currency

Was there any such prediction in 2009? Because if there was one, then I haven't seen it. Bitcoin was pretty much unknown until early 2011. If someone predicted that BTC will give huge profits in 2009, then he is an extremely intelligent person.

He can also be too dumb to know about the scams that are going on in the Internet. People were skeptical about bitcoin at first because they don't know the mechanics and how advanced it is from the monetary system that we currently have. He can also just be lucky enough to find an article or advertisement for bitcoin. Not much have their own computer and Internet connection back at 2009. His intelligence is completely irrelevant on how he was able to invest that early. Like me, I wouldn't say I'm "dumb" but I only invested my time and money on bitcoin 2 years ago.
688  Economy / Economics / Re: The dream of getting rich with bitcoins on: July 12, 2017, 11:41:27 AM
Maybe not to get rich, but sure as hell to earn a decent amount of money with bitcoins.

How much money did you earn with bitcoins? Or did you lose some?
Dreaming to become rich with bitcoin is not bad, it is also good that you have a dream and goal. But make sure you also have a determination to do it. I earn bitcoin per week less than .02 btc. And it is quite good for me. I'll save some of it. 😁

0.02/week is pretty good! If you save that for some time, it will become worth A LOT of money. Imagine when Bitcoin becomes worth $100,000. Your 0.02 BTC will then be worth $2,000. If you make this every week then you will make $104,000 per year. Just make sure you save it and do not sell or you will be kicking yourself down the road.

That seems like pure wishful thinking to me. "I'm saving 0.02BTC, therefore I'm saving $2000." You don't live in the future. Earning 0.02BTC right now would just be 400$. You can't argue with exchanges and sell your 0.02BTC for $2,000 because you strongly believe that the price of bitcoin will be $100,000 in the future. It's a long long way before we can ever reach 100,000$ per coin. We have to 50x from the current price. I think with the 100,000$ price, mass adoption has already happened and merchants are already accepting bitcoins. We are sooooo far from that.
689  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What to do with the people who don't like Bitcoin? on: July 12, 2017, 11:07:43 AM
We can't please everyone. If someone don't like Bitcoin, then respect their decision. Just focus on your own bitcoins and let them explore things they want, after all, it is their own life. 

Agreed. They have their own life, and you have your own. You should start keeping yourself busy on making your life a better one. Life is too short. After watching this video[1], I started to re-evaluate my life and I start thinking twice before doing anything about something. We're too busy pre-occupying ourselves with trivial stuffs that we forget to actually live a life. We all watch youtube videos and/or TV shows for our spare time, but we don't even enjoy those. We won't even remember those after a couple of months.

Persuading others to like bitcoin will just devaluate our time and that's something that you really don't want to happen when you realize how little time we actually have. Yes, we have a long time to truly be free but we're busy with school, our job, etc. You don't want to add "convincing people to like bitcoin" to your list.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mSpwYQMwvE
690  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin reduces unemployment on: July 12, 2017, 10:58:35 AM
I think most people here have an actual job in real life. Those who currently don't probably just quit his old job and started doing tasks in exchange of bitcoins. He is employed before, got unemployed, then employed again. I think that didn't reduce unemployment at all. If anything, bitcoin reduces the people that are employed. People become self-employed after having enough money from bitcoin and start their own business. There are also other people that make decent money from trading, they don't work for a company at all. They are self-employed. Others might even consider them as unemployed but they surely are having salary.
691  Economy / Economics / Re: If Bitcoin goes up very high should i buy a house? on: July 12, 2017, 10:26:34 AM
If Bitcoin goes up very high should i buy a house?

Ive been thinking if it went into very high figures i could cash out 80-90% of bitcoin and buy a house outright with no mortgage.  Is that even a good idea though? - basically 80% of networth in a house hmmm.  On the other hand i dont want to have a mortgage and im fed up with renting due to landlords, letting agents and lack of control.
It is not a good idea the price of bitcoin will keep going up faster than any real estate so your best  bet is to wait for longer until the day you can buy a house with 10% of your stash that way you do not need to sell that much bitcoin to get your property.

I'm starting to become hesitant of the budgeting that I do. I usually spend no more than 5% of my total money and I already consider that as a major spend. Buying a house would mean that I have to spend all of my coins and obviously I'm not going to do that. With my case, bitcoins would have to multiply by 10x before it can become just 10% of my total stash. It's a really really long way to go but looking at other people's life, it also took them a really long time to buy a house so there's nothing wrong with waiting and just keep on renting at the moment.
692  Economy / Marketplace / Re: How to make 1 bitcoin in a month or 2? on: July 12, 2017, 04:18:06 AM
Hi, I am looking for a way to earn some money without invest(because I am broke), I can dedicate 2 hours a day in that. what can I do to make a bitcoin per month without any investment?
You can use steemit. I've earned more than a bitcoin without any investment

Really?? Can you share more details about it as is it possible to earn 1 btc without any investment and how long does it take to earn that amount? Is it something like cloud mining or MLM program? It would be great if you share some more information about it.

You're a senior member, you should at least know how to use Google by now. You can earn money from Steemit by posting original articles. A lot of people are claiming that they have made good profits from steemit although I'm still doubtful about it. I haven't tried it myself but there's no investment at all. It's not cloud mining or MLM program but rather a website where you create articles, people view them, and then you earn money as the traffic goes up.

Sooner or later, that will start to become unprofitable because more and more people are already doing Steemit.
693  Economy / Economics / Re: Why is bitcoin worth? Welcome to discuss on: July 10, 2017, 02:08:41 PM
Bitcoin has grown from 2008 to 3k in 9 years. If more country start legalizing the bitcoin then its scope widens and this will be more used for buying daily stuff needs which is not happening at present. So demand will further increase and more and more people will invest in bitcoin in coming time. And this demand will push prices further up.

the only problem we have currently is about the confirmation system ,
where we should get at least one confirmation up to three confirmation to make sure the tx won't get doubled spending ,
if you could accept a zero confirmation without have any vulnerable ,
i believe bitcoin will adopted evenly around the world faster than expected and of course more worth than just a fiat.

How vulnerable are we to double spending, though? Someone who's sending 100$ wouldn't make an effort to buy a decent mining rig just to be able to double spend that amount of money. Regular users can't do double spending. Some might not even know about it, so you don't really have to worry about it.

Or did you mean something else about zero confirmation like real-time confirmation? That will only be achieved with a lightning network. But that's not available right now and we don't even know if that will ever be available in the future. It might be just a concept made up by people but we don't have the technology to do it.
694  Economy / Marketplace / Re: How to make 1 bitcoin in a month or 2? on: July 10, 2017, 02:00:03 PM
Hi, I am looking for a way to earn some money without invest(because I am broke), I can dedicate 2 hours a day in that. what can I do to make a bitcoin per month without any investment?

2 hours in a day? I don't think so buddy, you need to burn the candle at both ends before you can at least earn 1 bitcoin. Do you have any skill or ability that you can offer for people? You can always look at the marketplace for available services that you may take-up on. You also can join various campaign signatures, but that will take a lot of time and effort to be able to achieve it. There is always the option of gambling but I really don't suggest it since it may further worsen your situation. Try looking for a decent job and then use the income that you receive so you can invest here. Lastly, you can't get the best of both worlds, meaning you really need to be patient and determined to be able to reach your goals.

It's actually totally possible. Simply do margin trading and the game is on. Trading quickly becomes like gambling. There's actually a young millionaire that's making hundreds of thousands from trading just an hour per day. It's not that he's clairvoyant or something. His technique is to trade and once you've made money, turn off the computer and that's all for today. You don't have to be greedy. If you continue trading, you will lose money.

Watch "rich kids go shopping" on youtube and you will find him in the middle of the video. He's already a millionaire, though, so he makes this much. I think you can also make that much but only after years of trading. He's so knowledgeable about trading that even with small movements of the market, he can make a lot. You can do it with margin trading.
695  Economy / Economics / Re: Do You Think Bitcoin Will Replace Dollar Soon? on: July 10, 2017, 01:49:44 PM
Bitcoin can not replace the dollar, because it exists only on the Internet. The dollar is very stable and controlled by the government, and bitcoin is based only on user activity.
currently bitcoin is existing only on the internet, but with the passage of time bitcoin will become so much common that it will be accepting in every local shops. even still in some places the trend has been started, and some shops are accepting bitcoin. 

It will stay existing in this world as long as there are internet. Even if you say that it will be evolving in the few years, and many shops will be accepting it, bitcoin will be always on the internet, unless someone made a breakthrough. I don't understand the way of your comparison in the first line, but it will not be available without the internet.

Then how come you were able to reply? In the first line, he said that bitcoin is widely used on the Internet. This means that people buy/sell bitcoins and use bitcoin as payment only in forums, exchanges, etc. All of these are just happening in your web browser. In due time, bitcoin will also be used in stores and accepted by merchants. What he basically meant was that there will be some physical shop to accept bitcoins and not just something that you click on your computer.

At the end of the day, these stores still need the Internet to operate. They need the Internet to confirm that you actually sent them some money.
696  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think are the biggest disadvantages of Bitcoin? on: July 10, 2017, 01:29:56 PM
In my case, Bitcoins are not accepted widely, I think that would be the biggest disadvantage that I can see. Yes, Government is still in the process of adopting it but like myself, I could not fully feel its greatness that would also let me experience to understand more. This is one reason not to rely completely on Bitcoins.
Another thing is yes I agree that everything that was ever made has its flaws. I think that many for sure are insecure of the fame and wealth that Bitcoin have. What if a specific flaw is seen by someone who is willing to make it as a way in ?  Scary right ? That is why it is also a disadvantage that it is digital currency. 

It actually doesn't matter that much that bitcoin isn't widely accepted because we have a exchanges. When you're going to buy something, simply use an exchange so your money can be then withdrawn via ATMs. After all, once bitcoin is widely accepted, the prices would still be based in fiat. It's basically the same thing. You're just indirectly spending your bitcoins as of now.

Someone can be "insecure" about the fame and wealth of bitcoin but they can't do anything about it. Bitcoin isn't some entity like the famous people out there. For an instance, you got insecure or jealous of your friend because she is famous and wealthy. Then you can defame her by spreading humors and whatnot and that would directly affect her. In bitcoin, all these FUDs are common and irrelevant. People only base things on facts.

PS: If bitcoin has a flaw that can lead for it being destroyed, altcoin devotees should have found it by now and spread it non-stop.
697  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: July 10, 2017, 01:20:54 PM
Hello All,

What you think is the best investment to gain steady income in btc without actively doing anything?
So no trading/gambling/loaning etc.

Steady income more likely to be 'small & secure' than 'big & risky'.

Thanks,
BR Oinas
Investing in bitcoins does not bring a steady income; if you have a steady income, you can invest in bitcoin that can help you earn a large income depending on the amount of bitcoin you invest.

Well, earning a steady income is different than investment, especially invest on bitcoin that have unstable price. Open a shop in real life using bitcoin as the payment is a good one actually, but you need to encourage people to use bitcoin in your area first. If you can do that, i'm sure you can earn steady income with bitcoin because you don't have any competitor in your area.

That's wayyyy more effort to just open up a regular shop. Are you sure that your shop will come booming simply because you're the only one accepting bitcoins? That's just a different currency, AFAIK it's the product that people are after. With your logic, if I start accepting dollars in my shop, people will start falling in line just to buy something from me. This even saves me the time of explaining to them about the currency since everyone knows about dollars.

Your idea is absurd. Encouraging people alone to use bitcoins is a lot of effort. You're not even sure if these same people would buy products from you and be a loyal customer. Let's say that your store becomes popular somehow because you accept bitcoins. It's only a matter of time until the neighboring stores start accepting bitcoins.
698  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: When do you plan to sell? on: July 10, 2017, 01:06:11 PM
I am not planning to sell my Bitcoin anytime in near future as i see tremendous potential in Bitcoin and a person can expect 10 times returns from Bitcoin in a time frame of 5 years as Bitcoin is showing a healthy growth rate. I am planning to hold my Bitcoins for a long time.

Unless mass adoption has happened and people are fighting over to buy as much bitcoins as they can just like a Black Friday sale scenario, then that's not going to happen. I think your argument is based on what has happened in the past. The price used to be 200$+ and now the price is 2000$+. That's 10x, yes. But as the price increase, the 10x multiplier becomes harder and harder to achieve.

When the price was just 2$ each, just an increase of 18$ in price, you'll get 20$ and that's 10x of the previous price. With 20$, 200$ is 10x and that's just 180$ difference. But with the current price, the 2600$, the price have to be 26000$ and that's a difference of 23400$. That's a lot more than what has happened in the past (200$ becoming 2000$).
699  Economy / Economics / Re: What is your best investment strategy? on: July 10, 2017, 12:53:05 PM
Don't invest all your funds in single fund. Out of 100% invest 30% in bitcoin, 30% in government bonds and 40% in Equities. You will be on safer side as you wouldn't lose all your hard earned monies...

So, like, 100% of your money is out there? My technique is actually just like a gambling technique. Don't invest what you can't afford to lose. I know it's basic, but it's useful. My maximum investment would be 5% of my funds. Most of the time it's even hard to let out 1% of it. That's huge money to me already.

I mean so far, holding cryptos for a very long time seems to be the best option, virtually almost all coins that were top 30 or so have gone up by a lot in the last few months, doubling, tripling and sometimes even 10x or 20x their price. If you bought even only 10$ worth of each, today you would have around 20k$
Yes agree, having the top 10 is the more good and advisable to keep and it depends in the person who will invest. My strategy is a continuous rolling buy cheap sell high then buy cheap again after a dummy.
Buying cheap coins is less risky that putting your investing in the top 10 since it's a big volume coins and the moment it will drop
it will be having a hard time to recover again. Cheap coins is worth buying as they are most likely undervalued but just like any investment
you do not just invest blindly, you need to study as well.

The approach for major coins is different. Since they are a major coin, they will go back to their previous price in no time. Buy in a dip, and wait for the price to go back to what it was for a long time. Then sell. In every dip of these coins, you can make money. They go back pretty quickly. The technique is called scalping. You have to invest a huge amount but the profit isn't that much. It's okay, though, because it's just short trade and there's a lot more chance to earn money compared to buying shit coins then hoping for them to rise one day.
700  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of Bitcoin on: July 10, 2017, 12:32:41 PM
After some years Bitcoins are spread rural areas also. at the time government also should follow bitcoins. The future of the bitcoins is complete digital transactions. we can transfer money without transaction fees. No one can restrict because bitcoins will rule the government.
To give people in rural areas such opportunities, for starters they need to provide a [1]good educational school and technical capabilities. [2]The fact is that today there is not even an Internet anywhere. Therefore, the use of crypto currency will be extremely difficult in such regions.

[1] Education isn't always the key to everything. They simply have to be aware of what they are doing. These people have survived the past without a good education, so how come they have to change that in order to learn how to use bitcoin? They still have common sense even if they mal-educated or uneducated. Somewhere in the sea of that uneducated people is a guy that knows techy stuffs. The people will ask him about it.

[2] Read digital divide. It will forever (or at least a very long time) be the case. There will always be people that don't have an Internet connection in their place but that doesn't concern us at all because they can't affect us.
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