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741  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Arb below 1$ on: July 17, 2023, 03:52:50 PM
considering the fact that this coin was massive at the release, current market capitalisation is still relatively low.
I just think it highly undervalued. its not even in the top 10.
Given that it was massive before then I won't say that it was undervalued. To be on top 10 isn't easy but a coin may need to prove itself first if it was truly worthy and not just good at hype. They say that low-cap coins are risky but it made sense because the reward that entails on them are also huge.

ARB already received a good feedback from the public, so if we are into low-cap coins, we can check this one out and we are sure that we are safer to it compared to some low-cap coins out there who are not been properly rated yet. That is because they are not that popular as ARB. This is what they say that a big budget is necessary when creating a coin so that we can avail to market our project easily in different platforms.
People who think that it can be in the top 10 are people who are dreaming. It's not undervalued, if anything it is overvalued right now and we are going to see it go down even more. Or maybe the bull run will start before it goes down and in that case it will probably not go down, but it will certainly not go up as much as some of the other things.

I am not too much of a ARB person as you can understand from what I am saying, I just believe that it was never something that should have been this big and for some reason people got hyped about it. Only thing they are good at is marketing which caused it to go up like this and I believe that we are not going to really see it change anytime soon neither, it's going to be quite different.
742  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Which is better to invest in copy trading or bot on: July 17, 2023, 05:46:52 AM
Trading's flaws frustrate me too. Isnt it like blindfolded minefield walking? Trading bots and self-proclaimed experts preying on the naive can make one long for simpler times without digital distractions.

Trading is art and science. Academic theories are limited. Emotions, instincts, and gut sentiments can tip the balances. Trading bots and miraculous strategies just systematise the unpredictable.

Philosophically, patience pays. "Hodling" coins for years through market turbulence has traditionally delivered large gains. However, there's more. Serious crypto investors must brace for downturns and long winters. Sustainable growth requires creativity and new investment opportunities.
Trading bots shouldn't even be marketed as a way to make a profit, it should be marketed as doing what you ask it to do, which it does perfectly I agree with that but that's not the perfect way to trade. You tell it to buy when X indicator hits Y, and sell it when A indicator hits B, and that's it, it does that 7/24 nonstop with maybe 100 pairs if you want it to and that's how it trades. You told it something, it did it, that's it.

Doesn't mean that what you told the bot to do was a good thing, maybe it was a terrible strategy and you will lose money, or maybe it was a good strategy but it didn't had anything coming back for it. So in the end, you face the reality that trading bot is not a good way to make a profit, it's just an employee you have, a good one that follows orders, but sometimes orders are bad.
743  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Multiple timeframes is another means of getting better market clarity on: July 17, 2023, 04:48:10 AM
It's never a bad saying that "two are better than one," and most times in trading, 'multiple' could even be better, if not the best.
I strongly believe in this you say, we need to have a multiple of data to compare from each other in other for us to arrived well at the desired destination having better results to proof for it, there are times whereby we will need to sit and make comparisons form what we are having at present to what we already have in times past, this also lies in our individual abilities and how we are able to relate information together to arrived on same outcome using different time frames in both the present and past events with their respective months altogether.
I agree with it as well, multiple time frames that contradict each other would be a trouble and could allow you to stay away from it, whereas if you are careful about what you are doing then you could make a profit with multiple of them showing the same thing to you.

That would mean that you are on the right path and you could make some profit with it. I am not saying that you should be making a big profit right away, that's not how it works and you are going to end up with a different situation, but at the end of the day we are going to end up with a great return and that should be a bit more different. I believe that we are going to end up with a situation where people would make profit based on what you could be seen everywhere.
744  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin trading and gambling on: July 17, 2023, 03:59:59 AM
I am more curious to know how they share some similarities. Like really how haha. if you are holding BTC BTCin your personal wallet how you will lose money? Besides you should say for the temporary time frame or for a particular time span the value of your holding might fluctuate but it doesn't means that you will lose anything.

I you really think its a loss than I cant say anything, if anybody else feels like this I would recommend being patient and wait for the moment of truth you will not regret exiting the market in loss.
The fact is that not everyone can withstand this period, when the balance on their wallet is significantly reduced due to the price drop. Those who sell during this period will lose money, but this is a rather long process and it will not happen as quickly as in gambling.

In any case, it is not worth comparing bitcoin trading with gambling, especially long-term trading, because these are different things. With proper understanding, buying bitcoin for the long term is almost a win-win option, and gambling contains much more risks and gambling is much more dynamic than long-term trading. You can always find a less risky option if we are talking about bitcoin, but it’s hard for me to say this about gambling.
It's not going to be as quick as gambling but if they buy and hold bitcoin for long period of time then they are going to make a lot of profit for sure. I can be sure that I have been making money since I have been holding bitcoin and that has been a proper period for sure. I am not saying that it's granted but that doesn't mean that it's not a good result neither. Sure it's not going to be guaranteed but you could make some profit with it without a doubt.

I think people who are trading with owed money for example are gambling, or people who do not know much about leverage and still do it are gambling, but when people are holding long term means that they are not really gambling and they know what they are doing as well.
745  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is ready for $40k on: July 16, 2023, 02:34:53 PM
I believe the price of $ 40k will be reached soon, just like when the price is below $ 20k I was very optimistic that before April the price would reach $ 30k so I bought bitcoin even for a small amount, and I think the price of $ 40k will be before September.
it is very possible that what you say can happen but there will always be corrections that might also occur because it has not been seen that the direction of improvement will indeed fully occur. but I firmly believe that before the end of the year there will be upward movement to prepare for the era of the halving that will occur in 2024.
Bitcoin price is increasing day by day I hope Bitcoin may reach 35k$ by the end of this year. There will be many happy moments for those who have invested in Bitcoin. I hope all coins including Bitcoin will reach great position in 2024.  We all know that our money is safe if we invest in Bitcoin. That's why we always prefer to invest in Bitcoin.
I believe it can reach a lot more, I think 40k is actually quite good level. I know a lot of people think that's going to be way too much, because it's about 33% increase from where we are, but bitcoin could increase that much easily.

Look at it being higher already, there are things that happen in life and suddenly bitcoin becomes a lot higher and it would definitely be a good thing. I am not saying that it should be any different to go up, if it just keeps this up then we are going to end up with a good return one way or another and I believe that could be a good thing. Just keep it going like this, it's green, and keep it happy and increasing like this, no bad news, no legal issues, and we are going to be 40k by the end of the year I believe.
746  Economy / Economics / Re: It's Simple to understood now cash is king again on: July 16, 2023, 09:21:20 AM
Cash is king again.
The purache power of cash is great again.
Many people talking about gold will go up.
How can the gold go up If markets works on supply and demand system.
What's the biggest demand now ?
cash it's cash not gold not stocks not real estate not Even btc neither Silver.
World have now demand to oil and fiat currency.
It's such a toyish, childish approach and it really does bring a whole new aspect to this. I mean if people truly believed it, we would all be using cash and we are not. Even the meaning of cash changed, back in the day cash meant the money in your hand, usually paper, sometimes a little coin, that was cash, that's how you approach what a cash is, nowadays when people say "bought it all in cash", they just mean they wired it in, and did not take any loans or something, it was still digitally sent from one place to another, it wasn't a stack of paper money that exchanged hands.

All in all cash is not king, and never was, people were fooled about it, it's not a smart idea and everyone should try to make debt to grow their assets and income.
747  Economy / Gambling / Re: Stake.com - The Leading Crypto Casino - Drake, UFC, Everton, Alfa Romeo F1 Team on: July 16, 2023, 06:46:33 AM
My monthly was reduced as well from $14 to $5.3 (platinum 1) but I expected it to be low because I haven't been wagering for several weeks and my total wager from last month is around $100~ from using the previous monthly.

At this point, the post monthly is like the new monthly in terms of the amount we're getting.  Tongue
Totally the same with my situation Platinum 1. Not playing for the whole month except if they give us the weekly bonus which is 2$ every week or sometimes 0.1 cent, don't know how it works, happens. They give us default 5$ for plat 1 on monthly bonus even if we're not wagering. I think its time to leave stake. Lmao.
Expecting a lot of money even when you do not gamble is a weird thing. So by that logic you have gambled a bit, and you should be paid for the next 30 years? Without gambling at all? I mean if you do not wager for a whole month then that month you are not going to end up getting any money, isn't that a normal thing? Shouldn't we consider that as the thing that should happen anyway?

I personally believe that you should be getting nothing, let alone 5 dollars because if you have zero wagering that means you haven't done any help to anyone. This is a business, I know it's a casino but it's also a business, they need to make money from it, and there are tens of thousands of people here, so it's not going to be easy for them to keep paying to people who used to gamble.
748  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin trading and gambling on: July 15, 2023, 04:05:23 PM
Trading is totally different from gambling even though it involves luck. You trade for one reason and believe in the potential profit you will make after doing some research or analysis, but gambling is something different. Price volatility due to supply and demand allows traders to make profits, while losses occur for the same reason. But there are some similarities between gambling and trading, but these two risky activities are completely different.

There are several types of traders who have something in common like gamblers, they are traders who only expect price fluctuations without doing research and analysis before buying. While traders who do research and analysis also rely on volatility, they trade because the assets they trade have the potential to be profitable for one reason or another. Use cases, adoption and such are all driving factors, so it's not a gamble.
Unfortunately people do not see that, I wish they do but they do not and for some reason it is getting even worse. I do not care that they think trading is like gambling, I care that they trade like it is a gamble, which is a big big trouble. I mean if you are going to just risk all your money in an all-in leverage for example, you will end up with a big loss and I feel like people do that because they think it's like a gamble and they think they flipped a coin and hoped to be right and were wrong.

It's not like that at all, we are talking about a big deal that ended up being a bit different and that causes the situation to be a big unlikely result. I hope that it will end up with a true return and could happen to be a bit different eventually.
749  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do not limits your investment... on: July 15, 2023, 08:53:55 AM
I believe that we can ALL collect 3 bitcoins in our life time. I am not saying that it would be easy, right now 3 bitcoins would worth 90 thousand dollars and I think it will keep going higher and higher so it is not going to be easy at all.

However, if you could save some money every month, then you are going to get there eventually and the important thing is not about getting to 3 bitcoins, it is about getting to a higher and higher level all the time, and if you keep having more and more bitcoin, then one day you will be rich. So, let's assume you failed, and you only got 0.8 bitcoins but bitcoin worths 100k, that means you have 80k, which is close to having 3 bitcoin today. That is why we should always be looking for it.
For many on our planet, this amount will be almost unattainable, some cannot even save more than $50 a month, this is about $600 a year and it is not difficult to calculate that in 30 years you will collect no more than $20k.

During this time, bitcoin will certainly rise in price and each of us will be able to buy less and less satoshi. Therefore, I think that for many, the goal of 1 bitcoin may be unattainable, let alone 3 or more bitcoins. Of course, it is worth buying, it will bring profit, but if the investment is not significant, then you should not build illusions that this can make you rich in the future.
It is definitely unattainable for many people and shouldn't be considered. I believe that the best thing to do in this case is to try to reach as high as you can, that is all you can do. Not everyone has to have 1 bitcoin, after all there will only be 21 million bitcoins at max, some of them are already lost, and I mean millions.

So in the end, we are 8 billion people, even if just 100 million of them are interested, which is not unlikely, and some of them have thousands even tens of thousands because of how much money they had, that means there will be tens of millions of people who would never have 1 bitcoin. So in the end the important part is to get as much as you can, it can be 0.5, 0.1 or even 0.01 but as long as you have some for your future, that's good.
750  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of Farming. on: July 15, 2023, 04:55:05 AM
Many agricultural commodities such as corn, soybeans, meat, eggs and many more must be imported from other countries, when 15 or 20 years ago my country exports the commodity, and of course this is a sad fact, this is because of the many agricultural land that changes functions become an apartment building, park, tourist attractions and so on. Naturally, if the price of agricultural materials is more expensive.
The government needs to make farming an encouraged business to do for the people and they must also focus on this agricultural aspect because that's the sole dependent of economy markets and human sustainability, farming must be done both on the rural and urban settings, a country must bot be too dependent on importation of food items from other countries when they are meant to encourage their young adults to engage in farming by making adequate provisions for their start up needs to encourage them venture into farming, this will help the country eradicate poverty, hunger and disease, other countries may also depends on their productions.
The solution is so simple and yet people do not look for it, just don't tax them for their income and that's it. However, we also need to be done with all this huge farms to feed a nation thing, it's just getting boring, and the land we have in every nation is enough to actually be sheltering everyone as well, and we can produce cars for every single person who wants it, and we can do railways and bus stops everywhere for free. People are not realizing this and that makes me insanely angry.

We are spending billions, even trillions on tax as a world, and what do we get in return? Idiotic things, hell war is still a thing, how primitive is that. Just have a town size warehouse filled with vertical farming and you feed a whole nation, costs less than a billion dollars per year, it's real and it's there and yet we don't do it.
751  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: July 13, 2023, 05:00:08 AM
I am not sure if they will be as good, but they already won a world cup so I do not think that it will matter all that much. They do have a decent number of players but I do not think that they are good enough to win anything anymore, it's not just about Messi or not, you can put a 30 year old Messi into this club and it would still be hard.

It's a marvelous achievement that they won the world cup, it was definitely a great success but I do not see their team talented enough anymore, they just do not look like it to me. Maybe I am mistaken, after all they won the world cup title, so they must be good, but to me the roster itself is not that amazing, look at the roster and valuations to see what I am trying to say here.
I don't want to make a judgement based on the valuation. Anyway, at this point Argentina looks like the strongest team to me (even without Messi). It may be due to the fact that they have very good players and team bonding. Or maybe due to the fact that the other teams are in decline (especially the ones from UEFA confederation). IMO, there are no other team at the same level where Argentina is right now. I would say that Brazil and France are one level below Argentina. Take out Neymar and you will find Brazil unable to compete in a meaningful way against Argentina.
Do they though? I get that their goalkeeper had some great saves, but would you consider him one of the best? I wouldn't. Look at their defense, do you really consider any of them as one of the best defenders? They are not top 5 in their position, none of them. They do have a decent midfield, and without Messi that midfield looks like it's just good, not great, not best, just good.

I feel like Argentina doesn't really have a great roster, they do have one of the best team chemistries in the world right now and with world cup that went up even more, they are literally a family at this point but I do not think that they are more talented than others. In any case, Messi will be there, and when you have Messi, you may end up getting a win anyway.
752  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Beginners Should Follow These To Be A Good Price Predictor on: July 13, 2023, 02:58:44 AM
Indicators are only a tool to make predictions and indicators are not the only ones used.
Various indicators are also combined with Fundamentals so that we will know where the market is going.

Regarding the Time Frame used, the smaller the time frame chosen, the faster the price movement can be seen, and vice versa, the larger the time frame, the slower the price movement will be depending on what time frame you use.

Small time frames are used for fast trading, and large time frames are used for long-term trading.
It is not difficult to understand, just how you use it and how you get used to it.
Reading the movement of the candle will also help in trading, you must remember every candle that forms.

That said, predictions won't be 100% accurate, there will definitely be some mismatches and that's natural.
Smaller time frame should mean that you are about to trade in a smaller time frame as well. That's how it works and that's what it should mean. I believe that we are not going to end up with a bad result if we keep making the same mistake over and over again.

So if you are using small time frame then you should not hold something for too long, if you hold it for too long then it gets out of that small time frames result and gets into a longer time frames result and it could be very different and you could lose some money. I suggest highly to just make sure that you know what you are doing and in order to do that we should be careful and just get out when the time frame goes beyond what we are comfortable holding it for.
753  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Bitcoin vs XRP? on: July 12, 2023, 01:09:00 PM
Those who bought it for the last possible pump already know the risk that they've taken.

Likewise, if nothing happens and XRP doesn't pump up, it only means that there's nothing to expect with this asset.
and the money they invested will die along with their hope.

It's on your take and how you see if there are possibilities or if you need to keep investing in Bitcoin as the chance arises.
Making money is more possible or has better possibilities.
The fact that XRP has been like that for a while and Bitcoin has been doing fine is the proof that we are not going to really see anything good come out of XRP anytime soon to be fair. I am not saying that people were mistaken for investing into it, they had an idea and a hope about it and they failed which happens, you can't invest with 100% success rate, some things that you buy will go down, or not go up as much as other things.

However, the problem is that if they are still thinking that this was a good idea then I am sorry but it is not going to be reasonable to think that they would be making profit. We have seen that this is a failed one and then just move away from it. I never invested into it, but if you are still doing it, then you are making a mistake.
754  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - The road to a SIX DIGIT price valuation on: July 12, 2023, 05:55:59 AM
buying and holding bitcoins requires a specific knowledge that an "average joe" has difficulty to understand. For what I have seen, even a person with more experience or informatic culture must spend some time before being able to mastering this argument.
The "average joe" you are talking about, if he can't buy and store bitcoin because it's too hard for him, he probably doesn't know the difference between spot ETF and CFD either. So he is already in bitcoin using plus500 or any other regular broker. Exante for instance (fully regulated broker that I use to invest in stocks/bonds) have 150 krypto CFD trading pairs. On BTC/USD trading pair there is currenty 1$ spread
Most people do not invest, you need to remember that when you are investing, most people either don't or can't invest. I have seen a lot of people around me who never invested ever, they just live paycheck to paycheck either because they are idiots who spend any extra money they get, or they are just not doing a good job and not making enough money at all.

This is why I keep insisting on living at a level where it would make a profit when the time comes. I hope that people could end up with a good return, and they would invest their profits into something that makes them even more money, but billions around the world do not invest at all, and have no savings. Only some people do, and when you have like 500 million to 1 billion people investing that looks a lot, but we have 8 billion people, you need to remember that.
755  Economy / Gambling / Re: Stake.com - The Leading Crypto Casino - Drake, UFC, Everton, Alfa Romeo F1 Team on: July 12, 2023, 03:14:02 AM
Slot machine games, especially to get the jackpot, don't need any strategy but just need luck, that's why gamblers will feel happy if they get lucky so they will continue to play slot games, I'm not a slot lover, but it seems like there are indeed many gamblers who like this game in casinos. because people expect luck more than discovering a strategy to gamble in casinos and win every game.

I know every possible jackpot in some casinos has been set by the system or the dealer for that why I don't really like this slot game even though there are lots of gamblers who play slot games, for example my friend yesterday won $ 100 from the jackpot slot he was very happy even though he previously losing $ 1000 at least winning once has been fun  Wink
I agree that it would be pretty difficult to find a strategy that works, I mean you just spin it and the result is there, what kind of strategy could you do that would make you richer? I think it will not be possible and all we need to care of in that case would be making a profit based on luck. Slots are fun, there are layers and there are chances and it's just overall something that is very entertaining to play because of how much fun it is.

Money should not be the first aim, I understand the desire to make money, but if you are going to gamble anyway then it would be smart to gamble on slots so that you would at least have some fun while doing it, because in the end you are going to lose your money if you keep doing it for long enough time.
756  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: July 11, 2023, 05:31:59 PM
I myself still don't agree with such a statement, but if we look at it logically and based on what happened, then all of that has a point.
Whether the mistakes at the PSG club were caused by the executives we cannot say for sure, but in recent years PSG has indeed suffered a setback and is far behind other clubs from Europe.
Regarding financial problems PSG has very good finances plus the owner is a very successful billionaire so that all the club's needs can be easily met but in reality there is no significant development that can be shown by PSG.
That's the upsetting part for the fans. I get that they are champions and all, and there is a possibility they could be champions again this season as well but when you are this rich, you do not see yourself in competition with poor clubs, you see it with other rich clubs instead. PSG is richer than almost any team, only a handful of teams could be considered richer than them, or maybe not even richer but at least close enough.

But PSG has never been able to get a good result, they keep getting bad results at UCL and that is why I believe that they should not be considering a loss as acceptable anymore. Fans wanted UCL title and they did not come even close to that, no finals, no semi finals recently and that's a terrible result.
757  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is ready for $40k on: July 11, 2023, 04:50:31 AM
I would agree that Bitcoin is nearing the next leg up.  I think a little bit of concern around the mtgox situation still remains, but once that is behind us I think we'll end the year in the $40K range.  The real fireworks will begin at the end of next year though.  I think if you're holding Bitcoin here, you have to commit to holding until the 2025 top plays out just to see what you could get if the market does repeat itself again for the 4th time.  I have my concerns whether the Bitcoin economy can survive another massive price increase, but I do suspect we'll get our answer shortly after the next Presidential election in the US.
Bitcoin is approaching its next move, and there is optimism about future price increases. Some concerns remain, including the situation of Mt. Gox and the ability of the Bitcoin economy to survive large price increases. Bitcoin price prediction to reach around $40K towards the end of this year, seems still realistic especially especially recently the price of bitcoin has again reached above $30k and the crypto market looks green again.
As long as there is halvings to have, there will be hopes for bull run as well. I know that we are getting closer to a point where halvings will not matter because we are not mining all that much coins anyway and we already have almost all the coins mined and only just a few million left which would be distributed into like next 100 years, so its not going to be much ,we are going to see less than a bitcoin per day eventually if this keeps up.

So it is not going to be ALWAYS like this, but for another halving we are going to be like this, we are going to end up with a great return and should be considering it to be better. I think its important to be a bit more fixated on how we could get better and that's what we are doing now.
758  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NFT OR MEMES on: July 11, 2023, 02:35:53 AM
NFT and meme coin have a big risk, but I prefer meme coin than NFT, even though meme coin has a big risk too, but at least meme coin can give me a very big profit if I choose the right meme coin (although it might be very difficult to find meme coin that have the potential to give me a big profits), but at least with the same risk, I can have the opportunity to get big profits from investing in meme coin rather than I investing in NFT.
you are right, both of them cannot be used as an attractive investment especially for the long term, both NFT and meme coin, are too risky, apart from really wanting the funds we invest there to disappear. but if I were asked to choose between the two, maybe I would too It's the same with you that you prefer meme coins, at least have experience that some meme coins can improve, even though it's not because of their efforts. but as earlier I said that it is not for the long term if you want to invest in meme coins, because there are always unexpected things that will happen to meme coin holders, coins can be worthless and disappear from the stock exchange.
Unfortunately there were a lot of people who got into the hype and invest into them for some reason. I do not know why they did that but I believe that they shouldn't have done that at all. Look at the market now, they are basically doing as bad as it could get and we have no idea why they made those insane investments.

People who invested millions into NFT's lost like 90% of their money just because they believed in something that could make them money, and the thing they believed in were some images. When we mocked about it, they were mocking back saying how much they made with it, look at it now and understand why investing into an image was a wrong move, sure some may have made some profit, but a lot of people lost millions of dollars.
759  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: July 10, 2023, 03:32:01 PM
Juventus captain Leonardo Bonucci has 1 year remaining contract but there was no attempts from Juventus they will extended his contract and currently he was thinking some offers which come to him such as from Newcastle and Arabian clubs that it says some of Arabian clubs were interested to used his service but it wasn't mentioned which club who want him and i think it's time for Bonucci to thinking his future because apparently Juventus aren't willing to give him contract extension because Juventus feel his performance was decline and last season Bonucci only played 16 times at Serie A i think it's clear he didn't earn trust from Allegri and moved to other clubs would be good for him especially Arabian clubs because these teams possibly will offering huge money to him
I am not entirely sure if he would be though, he is just way too old at this point and he is not as famous as these other players and not talented enough for those clubs not to be finding anyone else. Arabian clubs could find someone who is more talented, and probably at least as famous as him as well. The reason why they are paying so much money for these famous players is to get the league to be watched more and I believe that he would not help them on that front.

To be fair he could still find some place in some lower level Italian club though, like whoever is the new promoted club, he could still play there if he wants to, or basically he could simply retire, he made millions of euros, more than 99% of the population would make, he can retire very easily now.
760  Economy / Gambling / Re: Stake.com - The Leading Crypto Casino - Drake, UFC, Everton, Alfa Romeo F1 Team on: July 10, 2023, 04:48:44 AM
I would agree but there are some cases like mine where there's no other option to place a bet in other gambling platforms. That's why even if we know that these odds are not fair. We are still going to accept them. Additionally. since the VIP program on Stake is really good and our progress is on Stake.com, we will still choose Stake for the benefits it offers through the VIP program.

But yeah regardless of the VIP program honestly Stake has the worst odds in the market.
I can't talk much about not being able to gamble anywhere else, because I do have option to gamble some other places and yet I still gamble here, so I can't talk about that part. But I can talk about the added bonuses, between the VIP and competitions, challenges and many other stuff, I do end up with a lot more returned than any other place, so that means I am not losing as much as people think I am losing when I end up losing a bet.

I understand the mindset that there is a good chance that we could end up with something much better. I hope that it gets to a point where it's going to be a decent thing and maybe we could end up with a good result, it's going to be just from different source then just winning the bet and that matters.
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