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781  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 14, 2016, 06:55:15 AM
The API is gonna link to Apple Google and Ionnomy.

What I don't know.....

Is this a bit of innovation or do other companies offer the same. I also heard that later the API is going to be made available to external devs to do there own thing

So in other words: Your Paycoin investment will finally pay off when ION goes to the moon thanks to the API being used by game developers all over the world. Soon.
Just one question: Why would all these game devs use ION in their they're there games instead of Bitcoins or Dollars?

To be fair i'll answer this in an ideal world.
In an ideal world if ionomy was actually popular and had a huge user base a dev might want to run through their api to leverage the user base and advertising etc.

However none of that exists and its a big ask for 33% of your profit. The ionomy api has been stated to take 33% of your price and then split that over coin buying on exchanges (kinda like a floor program) and 66% to other things.

However its essentially just a layer on top of google play store and ios app store if and thats a big IF it doesn't get removed. Basically as a dev you pay apple 30% of each dollar for their store use and distribution point. Ionomy would like you to use their api so they can take another 33% (higher than apple) so essentially in the end you get 37% or 37 cents in the dollar.

Why you would use your talent to give over 50% to both apple and ionomy together is anyones guess. Apple i can see as the exposure and their store tech etc its obvious... ionomy... meh they really aren't giving you 33% of each dollar in value. Sure you could prebuy ion and hope 1/3 of that 33% goes back to you in profit gains but lets face it with the stakers etc there are lots of people waiting in line to take those.

Its a flawed model that hasn't been thought out and the costings quite high. If they were smart they'd run the api and scheme at a cost neutral point or 0 cost to get people first then slowly raise it when people see proper value if there is any. They have ico funds etc so no need to be greedy on more funds.

My opinion is the api no matter how great they think is just a link between ios/google purchases and sending some coins/money to exchanges to buy/sell. Regardless of how concrete it is it offers not much to devs and basically is run so that devs provide value to ion.

It'll fail spectacularly. When first released i suspect there will be a spike on buyers because everyone will want it to go ahead but it won't sustain itself. It'll drop off after a brief spike.
782  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which is Best AltCoin for Staking and How many should have in Wallet ? on: September 14, 2016, 06:47:32 AM
lots of proof of stake coins. what is your criteria?

passive or competitive staking?
low, medium or high interest rate?

they all seem to go through pump and dumps

supply more info and people can list coins
Which stake coins are passive with a medium or high interest rate?


Passive coins are non competitive by nature though i guess to be honest there are only x blocks per day so to some degree there is a control measure as everyone can't get a block but passive stakers at least try to order the rewards so all get it.

Your competitive are the likes of hyperstake, tek etc.... people often have to play with block sizes to try and get the best rewards etc. I prefer stake and forget coins where i don't have to be big on block sizes.

The 2 passives i know of are blackcoin and netcoin though maybe others can chime in. Blackcoin i believe made POS v3.0 and you need to be online and staking to max your reward. Netcoin goes to give a reward every 6 hours so 4 stakes per day.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745323.0 is the netcoin topic. The PIR (personal investment rate) changes based on coin amounts. ATM its 45% i think if you have 10 million in 1 block per year (rewards given every 6 hours) though the rate is proportional for amounts between 0 and 10 million percent wise. I believe come around december this year it hits year 3 and goes to 10% max.

Blackcoin i don't have any of at present but i've read its POS v3.0 and many coins do fork from it.

Im not a fan of competitive stake coins as they usually are geared towards more technical people to adjust block sizes etc for max rewards. POS should be like bank interest... it just comes in and shouldn't be something you have to fine tune and compete with others to be better.
783  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: (ANN) Netcoin has gone POS! With PIR & OWI on: September 13, 2016, 05:13:35 AM


NETCOIN MANDATORY UPDATE: V2.5

Hey NETheads!

Here it is, v2.5 has arrived!! Not something we wanted to do but for PoW to continue, and for the core upgrade it had to be done. Also we don't want to be a PoS only coin, so we decided to keep it going. It's something we feel is good in a coin security wise and for the dedicated miners that have supported Netcoin's NETwork and because people still do mine it traditionally. That said we have continued on our PoW to a static reward of 15 coins per block and sorry to say, but the hourly 8x superblocks have been discontinued.   Also PoS rewards for PIR year 3 are changed to 2-4-6-7-8-10% because with these market volumes it could never sustain the current reward settings.

v2.3.0 and v2.3.1 users will need to backup of course, and save your wallet.dat file in a handy spot then clean the AppData>Roaming>NetCoin folder and start the new v2.5 from scratch. Once synced, you can then shutdown and replace the wallet.dat and restart the wallet.

If any of you updated to the last 2.4 or v2.4, nothing is further needed but to backup and run the new client.

Any questions just ask Smiley

Go NET!

https://github.com/netcoinfoundation/netcoin/releases



Is this a hardfork as the pir rewards are changing? When is the scheduled date to cut over and have exchanges been notified? The post says mandatory but i don't see mention of hard fork at block x anywhere.
784  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which is Best AltCoin for Staking and How many should have in Wallet ? on: September 12, 2016, 10:16:20 AM
lots of proof of stake coins. what is your criteria?

passive or competitive staking?
low, medium or high interest rate?

they all seem to go through pump and dumps

supply more info and people can list coins
785  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 11, 2016, 06:32:31 AM
pathetic coin, all bagholders, only a few volume in yobit, you guys daily discuss here for what? Dev is a scammer, you guys don't admit?

i want nauterelle to come back and tell us we're all gay... err or is that carlos. God i miss those retards haha.
786  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 11, 2016, 05:49:42 AM
I have no proof that Mordica is involved with ION, but becoming "partners" with Matlack AFTER gaw makes me stay away from anything to do with Matlack, it just doesn't make sense.

I agree on this. My big issue with mordica is that he did photos with garza against miners that didn't exist. He in a video said i'll spray on cement and prove it.... he knew the entire time that the mining equipment didn't exist. What possible reason could he have to lie its not like garza had his family hostage. My opinion on it is that mordica and garza both got greedy and kept the lie going as mordica wanted the $$$$ based on this alone i wouldn't trust mordica anywhere nor anyone associated with him because it means they overlooked this.

It'd be like trusting anyone hiring that fuck horus from cryptsy after he carried on with his shit being their security guy... kinda embarrassing.

Completely agree Mordica isn't a red flag he's an ejection seat. Every call I saw him he always looked so stressed   

So just to be clear if mordica was linked to ion you would abort completely and renounce any ion investment due to the dodginess? How have you evaluated your position when its been shown that allen shinners and adam matlack have had past and "may" have current dealings with mordica?
787  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 11, 2016, 05:45:24 AM
what about all those promises matlack & his team made for paycoin? they never materialized + theres a series of failed crypto attempts from them and their circle

Again nothing to do with ION

But lets drill into the detail what promises did Mattlack make show me what you have and lets have a debate.  

Before you share remember I'm a nice guy who just wants to build a puzzle  Smiley

Honestly though i agree yes xpy doesn't have anything to do with ion from the project point of view but don't you think progress made on xpy projects is indicitive of matlacks ability for any crypto project? A coat of paint or a new name doesn't make his ability any different and this is what i think people are saying. Whether its ion, xpy, <insert new coin name here> matlacks ability is still his ability. His progress on projects in the past is however an indication on his current project.

Thats the concern. The difference here is he now has $300k or so but there is no mention of how thats being used. The cash doesn't seem to have a direction only those ion as bounties. The warchest to quote garza should be used to make the project advance... money makes money. $300k can become a lot more if he were to use it and their reluctance to use said funds to me says they don't want that project advanced. In IT time is valuable and waiting for the when its done is often a detriment for progress as time moves fast.

I request you ask team ion direct where the funds are going the USD and why they haven't actually a plan for it thats public knowledge. Its a pretty big concern in my opinion.


Honestly though i agree yes xpy doesn't have anything to do with ion from the project point of view but don't you think progress made on xpy projects is indicitive of matlacks ability for any crypto project? A coat of paint or a new name doesn't make his ability any different and this is what i think people are saying. Whether its ion, xpy, <insert new coin name here> matlacks ability is still his ability. His progress on projects in the past is however an indication on his current project.


I honestly don't and it’s not a coat of paint

I cannot stress enough Garza is an unprincipled narcissist a very clever man who walked away with millions, this is no easy thing to do.
I think when KNC screwed him over that was when he began planning, many people don't give him enough credit and position him as a dumb ass which is so wrong....

Think about it. He goes from zero to a market cap higher than LTC, loads of hype, fly's to Florida for a big LTC face off it doesn't happen, again loads of hype. Back at the office orders are flowing in for haslets. He shows up and…..  fires his dev team Huh

I do not agree with your assumption

Thats the concern. The difference here is he now has $300k or so but there is no mention of how thats being used. The cash doesn't seem to have a direction only those ion as bounties. The warchest to quote garza should be used to make the project advance... money makes money. $300k can become a lot more if he were to use it and their reluctance to use said funds to me says they don't want that project advanced. In IT time is valuable and waiting for the when its done is often a detriment for progress as time moves fast.


This is something that would have to come directly from ION. I don’t need to know so I won’t ask as I’ve already ticked that box. Anyway even if I was able to pull that data that data would be tainted because I've provided it

As a whale I could answer but that would be pure speculation so not worth listening too.



Can you explain please why matlacks ability under xpy isn't indicative of his ability under ion? Do you believe he didn't try under xpy or? and why?

Also if mordica was involved in ion can you explain why under xpy he did dodgy things and why he isn't likely under ion.

Can you please explain why you don't need to know why there is no transparency of $300k in USD as an investor? I would think its a very big concern and raised capital should be something any investor would question the use of though and no attack but i'll be frank a comment of not needing to know is rather foolish when you invest.
788  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 11, 2016, 04:07:54 AM
I have no proof that Mordica is involved with ION, but becoming "partners" with Matlack AFTER gaw makes me stay away from anything to do with Matlack, it just doesn't make sense.

I agree on this. My big issue with mordica is that he did photos with garza against miners that didn't exist. He in a video said i'll spray on cement and prove it.... he knew the entire time that the mining equipment didn't exist. What possible reason could he have to lie its not like garza had his family hostage. My opinion on it is that mordica and garza both got greedy and kept the lie going as mordica wanted the $$$$ based on this alone i wouldn't trust mordica anywhere nor anyone associated with him because it means they overlooked this.

It'd be like trusting anyone hiring that fuck horus from cryptsy after he carried on with his shit being their security guy... kinda embarrassing.
789  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 11, 2016, 03:27:52 AM
what about all those promises matlack & his team made for paycoin? they never materialized + theres a series of failed crypto attempts from them and their circle

Again nothing to do with ION

But lets drill into the detail what promises did Mattlack make show me what you have and lets have a debate. 

Before you share remember I'm a nice guy who just wants to build a puzzle  Smiley

Honestly though i agree yes xpy doesn't have anything to do with ion from the project point of view but don't you think progress made on xpy projects is indicitive of matlacks ability for any crypto project? A coat of paint or a new name doesn't make his ability any different and this is what i think people are saying. Whether its ion, xpy, <insert new coin name here> matlacks ability is still his ability. His progress on projects in the past is however an indication on his current project.

Thats the concern. The difference here is he now has $300k or so but there is no mention of how thats being used. The cash doesn't seem to have a direction only those ion as bounties. The warchest to quote garza should be used to make the project advance... money makes money. $300k can become a lot more if he were to use it and their reluctance to use said funds to me says they don't want that project advanced. In IT time is valuable and waiting for the when its done is often a detriment for progress as time moves fast.

I request you ask team ion direct where the funds are going the USD and why they haven't actually a plan for it thats public knowledge. Its a pretty big concern in my opinion.
790  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 10, 2016, 10:51:03 AM
I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

So the team set up the business in Singapore to skate all these types of illegalities? Seems like it based on your response above. At least it's what you think is possible.

Eh, they're in Singapore...everything a legal!

No the team is set up in Singapore to reduce the burden of bureaucracy. Imagine having a discussion but before you were able to get to the thing you wanted clarification on you had to start with explaining what a bitcoin is then build up from there.

Being based in Singapore will help ensure that when parts of the world catch up with crypto they'll have naturally adopted good business practices... do some digging around and you'll see they are not the only ones based in that region. It's because they do give a shit about the law they are based in Singapore.

If they didn't they would be based somewhere like the Cayman Islands.    

Wasn't there issues with the singapore business registration from official pages on the business time registration?(ie them saying they were registered when they werent and they did it later?) Its also a red flag that they are considering regulations zones before actual implementation. Does this mean that what they intend to do is illegal or not warranted in their country of origin that they have to seek outside registration to complete their goal? To me it seems a way to side step and cover their arse.

Ionomy never explained why they incorporated in singapore over other sites. One has to question why they did that when plenty of successful cryptocurrency operations run on home soil.
791  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: September 10, 2016, 08:09:13 AM
This is not about that. Fraser is using the fact that the companies haven't been served as an excuse for the extension, which is ridiculous considering that the companies have already been served (via some mailbox in Delaware) by the SEC in another case and did not respond. Same thing will probably happen here so that service is just a useless waste of time and money. If they want to bring others into the lawsuit they will have to serve them individually.

Yes, you are right and I agree.  Just urks me that they have not sought out and served all the individuals who were officers and had "chief" titles... just got me thinking and I had to put thought down!

Maybe these other individuals don't have assets and/or wouldn't be easy to tie to the case. Remember this is a civil case. Fraser is the big fish to fry here.

If criminal charges are brought at some point - that's another story.

What is Unlce Stu's approximate net worth?  I have never seen that posted anywhere.

Didn't he think homero could buy a bank or something back in the xpy days for investment.. on the ignorance of that alone i'd say a shit load... he had one of those credit cards with no limit and gave it to homero to use so i'd say money isn't a concern for him... credibility is more so.

Needless to say i don't think he's too loving of homero anymore and his wife probably is asking questions on why he doesn't work for cantor anymore.
792  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 10, 2016, 04:36:47 AM
the information we have is a one way street with us providing input into the platform and the early access to the platform for testing... Ionomy operates on a policy that they do not release the dates of their milestones

That's not what you've said before though. So you're now saying that you don't have access to the secret awesome business plan?

https://archive.is/dSAR6#selection-5939.0-5943.3

He pretty much changes his tune where it suits him. He's vocal to encourage more to do what he wants to suit his business plan i.e. selling. I'd like to hear his response since that is what he typed... did he not say that? Its there in an archive capture.
793  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 10, 2016, 04:34:54 AM
Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

and atoms are not securities in Singapore so the definition of insider trading does not apply

and if Ionomy doesn't exist, how can any law be violated?

Singapore doesn't matter. The SEC regulates securities in the US, even ones issued by foreign entities. So the SEC would have the final word anyway.

And no, using a fake business is not an valid excuse to violate laws. I hope you were joking with that one.

so is atoms a securities or not? your the one that said Ionomy PTE doesn't exist???

You tell me if atoms are securities. I don't own any. Shouldn't you know what you own? I asked you if they are financial assets, or if they're tradable? Is there an expectation of profit associated with atoms? Do you know answers to those questions?

And yes, ionomy PTE doesn't exist. Try looking it up on Singapore business search. That's a separate issue though. You the one who brought up the ludicrous claim that law doesn't apply. It does.

You should talk to a lawyer. I'm serious. You don't seem to grasp what you're dealing with. Extremely bizarre considering the precedent with Garza.

Edit to your edit:

Quote
so my statement is still true and valid: The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these!

Doesn't follow. The definition of a security is far wider that that. Read up or talk to someone who knows these things.

Also note there was a very real grey area on masternodes for dash being unregistered securities. Apple want nothing to do with dash due to that and the anonymous attempt for the transfers and its a coin that can't be used in the app store apps.

Seeing as ion is based on dash with masternodes it follows suite. Also realise that the public masternodes are shares yes they are referred to as get your masternode share, that does a return on investing amount.

Just because there is no involvement with sec etc now doesn't mean that in the future its not the case. Remember that xpy users said the same thing... its not a scam, hashlets exist... hashlets aren't securities... no sec action so its sec approved (looking at you mr coins). Also note that your continued voice using terms like investment, shares etc sharky will have you as someone in the firing line later. Im going to go on a limb and say no matter what your internet research dictates neither your nor my word are definitive in the eyes of the law and with yourself encouraging others so publically and openly with the terms you use you do implicate yourself a lot. You aren't very cautious and arrogance in that regard does get one in trouble at times with internet archives etc.

I do know that what suchmoon etc say to be correct. Where a company is incorporated does NOT prevent law from catching up to them. If you offer services to citizens of a country then you come under their law jurisdictions... sure if you yourself live in the singapore or phillipines or anywhere else it might be a strech for them to extradite you but it doesn't make the actual company runners any less culpable. So matlack and his friends in usa living aren't protected just because they made their company in the phillipines and have some rent a director on the form name.
794  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 09, 2016, 11:30:47 AM
I will make a follow up post on ionomy and their ico investments though. I find it appauling and very dodgy that they solicited funds from people in the form of btc which was turned to cash and provide bounties in ion.

Doesn't anyone find it strange and concerning that they premined their ion for bounties but there is no direction for the btc or cash they turned that btc into. Shouldn't the purpose of the raised funds be to use said raised funds in that form to pay people?

Nobody is asking this question and they rightly should.

Ionomy didn't use that btc or cash to buy market ions to use in the bounty so they have in fact double dipped yet again. The intent of usual premines is to pay bounties and encourage coin use. But if you solict funding in another form there is no need for this....

Its yet another red flag and im sure most will dismiss it with some excuse. The smart ion involved will ask this of the team. Wildshark would do well to ask these questions and report answers. Unfortunately for everyone i suspect he won't and its really indicitive of people's desire to try and make the project legitimate when they don't raise real valid rational concerns.

My thoughts are adam matlack and his close few are using the case to cover their loses and justifying it as their time helping others. In the end they will try sleeping well at night saying they released a single crappy game and an api that most programmers worth their salt could develop in a month with normal work.

Just remember though $300k usd gets your a lot more than what they are going to provide. Its just wool over your eyes. Ask for transparency on the actual cash and watch them avoid or run around it.
795  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 09, 2016, 11:25:44 AM
this is from sec vs garza:
Hashlets constitute investment contracts, and thus “securities” under Section 3(a)(10) [15 U.S.C. §78c(a)(10)] of the Exchange Act

with a straight face hes saying that atoms are neither. they even paid out mining revenue just like hashlets did
in most western countries (if not all) there is no distinction between public/private company inside trading. it was widely publicized during/after the facebook ipo


but sharkie is probably just exaggerating his access to special information

As we have experts on global stocks commodities and share regulations can you confirm if a Poke Ball is a stock, security, or a commodity as to get one you have to buy credits which the allow you to buy balls, backpack upgrades, incubators, etc

I know that a PokeEgg in India is now classed as an egg and so Pokemon GO has now been banned in India. Just wondering how the PokeBall sits in the world of finance   

a pokeball is an ingame consumable item.
a stock is a company share that is resellable tradeable etc. a pokeball is not this as it does not warrant you a slice of the company, is not resellable or tradeable.

coins are infame assets not tradeable non marketable and have no mechanism to exchange. its a commodity like eggs. you mix eggs with milk and make omelette.

ions and atoms are shares and parts of a company. they are tradeable, even have their own market. they were distributed from an initial allocation based on money given to buy said amount of shares/securities.

an average person such as sharkie even uses the word constantly "invest" in ion and ionomy make x much per day. if they are intended commodities then team ion should shut their marketplace, remove the ability to transfer between people and have them as 1 way sales to be used only in games. sound fair and right?

btw im not a lawyer and im not a finance spealist and all views are my own and of an average person and shouldnt be constituted as professional advice.

Ahh thanks for the answer it was a serious question. So when you buy the PokeBall you need to use currency to buy credits and then with the credits you buy the pokeball so is that credit a form of currency or is it an ingame consumable item

BTW. you don't need a cover your arse disclaimer at the end of your post I was just wondering as I didn't know the answer plus I won't ever use that as ammo   

its just a consumable. the coins you buy are a generic item ingame used to exchange for other items. they cant be traded to other players, sold or used elsewhere. its technically an ingame item credit. it doesnt generate financial gain.

also pokemon go isnt banned in india it hasnt been released there. the egg thing was vegans complaining its blasphemy awarding eggs when religious and vegan. pokemon hatch from eggs they arent food.

i hope those indians dont own pet birds. if one ever laid an egg they'd have to sue god or the higher creator/engineer for them owning an animal that lays something they dont eat. what morons.... they clearly dont understand avian reproductive means.

Thanks for the additional detail .

BTW. it has http://www.deccanchronicle.com/technology/in-other-news/070816/indian-pokemon-go-fans-against-ban-on-game.html

Funny thing is though it makes no difference as the government have zero means for implementation as you say the games not even been released in India. They can't stop people playing the game . So the only way to police it is to have the police patrol the pokestops so in a way the hunter now becomes the hunted  Grin


no the game hasnt been teleased in india. its geoaware inthe app store for what countries can download. australia had it before usa. those with it got the files through jailbreaking or geolocation spoofing. that link mentions people against imminent ban. i see no official india ban.

Why do you keep saying is the game has not be teleased in India, I totally agree, what is your point I don't understand ?


I followed up with 2 posts. The game isn't "banned" in india. There is no formal government ban. Its basically just a court case some people are putting through at the moment. There is no official its banned statement that i can find. I was responding to your comments stating it was officially banned when it is not.
796  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 09, 2016, 02:35:53 AM
this is from sec vs garza:
Hashlets constitute investment contracts, and thus “securities” under Section 3(a)(10) [15 U.S.C. §78c(a)(10)] of the Exchange Act

with a straight face hes saying that atoms are neither. they even paid out mining revenue just like hashlets did
in most western countries (if not all) there is no distinction between public/private company inside trading. it was widely publicized during/after the facebook ipo


but sharkie is probably just exaggerating his access to special information

As we have experts on global stocks commodities and share regulations can you confirm if a Poke Ball is a stock, security, or a commodity as to get one you have to buy credits which the allow you to buy balls, backpack upgrades, incubators, etc

I know that a PokeEgg in India is now classed as an egg and so Pokemon GO has now been banned in India. Just wondering how the PokeBall sits in the world of finance   

a pokeball is an ingame consumable item.
a stock is a company share that is resellable tradeable etc. a pokeball is not this as it does not warrant you a slice of the company, is not resellable or tradeable.

coins are infame assets not tradeable non marketable and have no mechanism to exchange. its a commodity like eggs. you mix eggs with milk and make omelette.

ions and atoms are shares and parts of a company. they are tradeable, even have their own market. they were distributed from an initial allocation based on money given to buy said amount of shares/securities.

an average person such as sharkie even uses the word constantly "invest" in ion and ionomy make x much per day. if they are intended commodities then team ion should shut their marketplace, remove the ability to transfer between people and have them as 1 way sales to be used only in games. sound fair and right?

btw im not a lawyer and im not a finance spealist and all views are my own and of an average person and shouldnt be constituted as professional advice.

Ahh thanks for the answer it was a serious question. So when you buy the PokeBall you need to use currency to buy credits and then with the credits you buy the pokeball so is that credit a form of currency or is it an ingame consumable item

BTW. you don't need a cover your arse disclaimer at the end of your post I was just wondering as I didn't know the answer plus I won't ever use that as ammo   

its just a consumable. the coins you buy are a generic item ingame used to exchange for other items. they cant be traded to other players, sold or used elsewhere. its technically an ingame item credit. it doesnt generate financial gain.

also pokemon go isnt banned in india it hasnt been released there. the egg thing was vegans complaining its blasphemy awarding eggs when religious and vegan. pokemon hatch from eggs they arent food.

i hope those indians dont own pet birds. if one ever laid an egg they'd have to sue god or the higher creator/engineer for them owning an animal that lays something they dont eat. what morons.... they clearly dont understand avian reproductive means.

Thanks for the additional detail .

BTW. it has http://www.deccanchronicle.com/technology/in-other-news/070816/indian-pokemon-go-fans-against-ban-on-game.html

Funny thing is though it makes no difference as the government have zero means for implementation as you say the games not even been released in India. They can't stop people playing the game . So the only way to police it is to have the police patrol the pokestops so in a way the hunter now becomes the hunted  Grin


no the game hasnt been teleased in india. its geoaware inthe app store for what countries can download. australia had it before usa. those with it got the files through jailbreaking or geolocation spoofing. that link mentions people against imminent ban. i see no official india ban.
797  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 09, 2016, 01:04:40 AM
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Wow, created a brand new account for this massive exposé?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%C2%AF%5C_(%E3%83%84)_%2F%C2%AF

personally id send it to wikileaks. its of national importence. boki seems a little upset with his recent ban which is good for us as all those days of built up rage will give us one hell of an incoherent offtopic post when he comes back
798  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: September 09, 2016, 12:26:13 AM
In other news:  Props 2 @suchmoon for expressing your inner woman with your new avatar.

Someone called me a donkey as if it was an insult of some sort. It's not. Donkeys are adorable so I was wearing that avatar for a while.

Someone recently said I'm "girly" or something to that effect as if it was an insult of some sort. It's not. Guess where every "macho" came from.

Just please don't call me something abstract I can't find a picture for.

So the extension was denied but it still got extended to September 23? I'm pretty sure the original deadline was sooner than that but whatever.

Only a couple of weeks to go.

Basically the defendants did got already an extension. Another extension of time will not be granted except for "good cause" or only if the defendant demonstrates in writing he could not reasonably file a request in a timely manner due to extraordinary circumstances beyond its control (natural disaster or other catastrophe such as fire, etc...).

This log is basically a FINALE reminder that the defendants have to file an answer by September 23, 2016.

After reading it again it sounds like they can STILL file for another extension by Sep 23 if they present a reasonable cause as you're saying.

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Thus, the parties' Rule 26(f) Report is due by September 23, 2016. D. Conn. L. Civ. R. 26(f). In the Report, the parties shall propose a filing deadline and briefing schedule for any renewed motion for class certification. Signed by Judge Michael P. Shea on 9/6/2016. (Hillier, D.)

didnt prince change his legal name to a symbol? which you basically cant pronounce. you could be prince'ss Smiley or the btctalk author formerly know as suchmoon
799  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 07, 2016, 07:34:07 AM
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Don't flatter yourself. My only interest in you is your lies, so as long as you keep doing that you'll have my attention.

Some classy slack arguing going on, good showing for new investors. If you don't agree with the core 10 or so people they bully and gang up on you. And they sit and complain cause BitcoinTalk is harsh. News flash, ION slack is the same damn thing. I'm no wall of awesomeness, but it's pretty pitiful they think they are high and mighty and nice but treat users, ahem, potential customers, like dicks if they don't agree that ION is awesome.

I now have seen rdewilde ask two rather important questions, go ignored so he pinned it and it is still unaddressed, to my knowledge. Folks, they straight up ignore and blow off some of their most loyal followers/contributors, there's no chance they will ever be transparent to anyone outside the Ionomy.

I was browsing around ionomy slack too, had a good laugh at this bizarre fight between some random dude and some other dude's wife, and also he-who-must-not-be-named bragging about taking bitcointalk down. Not quite the level of hashtalk entertainment but funny nonetheless.

No useful info to put on the FAQ sadly. And activity seems to be down from what it was a couple of months ago.

Arrogant as well such a nice character trait..... anyway..... what lies are you talking about you Huh?

What lies have I posted that have aroused your interest Huh you must have something so please share it with everyone.... oh I know it's because I don't answer your questions I'm part of a scam..... what a joke... what a lame sad inbred reason to accuse something or someone of being a scam !!!!

A small indie developer like Supergiant (they developed a great game called Bastion), ask them what their next game is gonna be about and what their plans are to monetize it.... don't be surprised if they ignore you !!! AT A COMMERCIAL LEVEL TO BE A SUCCESS YOU DON'T DO STUFF WHICH YOU KNOW THE RETURN IS GONNA MINIMAL AND COMMERCIAL DANGERS ARE EVER PRESENT TOO.

If you don't feel conformable then don't invest that's great

Tell everyone of your concerns & fears that's great too

But please don't call me, anyone or anything a lie without facts to backup your views..... then your just being a dick.... a clever dick

Supergiant is a poor example as from what i can see they didn't solicit funds from the public to make a game. When you self fund you have that option. Any investors always have updates and transparent information. Do you think big companies would invest without info and accept being told give us money but go away if you don't like no news?

The difference here is ionomy took customer funds and said at the start they were being transparent. As of now their definition of transparency matches garzas definition of escrow when he did it himself.
800  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ION [ION] | ICO LIVE | PoS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! on: September 07, 2016, 07:30:43 AM
It's impossible to have a conversation on this thread. Between boki's insane off topic criminal accusations to WildShark posting, deleting, reposting, deleting then reposting again, nothing gets accomplished. I'm starting to believe this is planned so no information actually gets discussed.

I saw rdewilde on slack providing a free tool to archive the slack conversations. He had to repeat it several times before someone pretended to care. This team is all about the obfuscation of information.

Funny how no one ever mentions Franz's continual trolling

I guess it all depends on what side of the fence your on. I gave up trying to answer questions about 150 pages ago  Smiley

Funny  how your very first post in this forum (and in this thread since you don't seem to have posted anywhere else) is on page 37, i.e. ~130 pages ago. So giving up 150 pages ago is basically your creative way of saying that you never even started "to answer questions". I'm glad we have that cleared up.

And this is why 95% of this website is full of shit.... and you wonder why the devs don't respond... would you when you know that everything you post is going to be twisted into whatever agenda the person posting wants.... this place is toxic


What's your point Huh Franz Suchmoon. I assume I'm allowed to point fingers as You Franz did the same accusing me of being Korfax Huh

And this is why 95% of this website is full of shit.... and you wonder why the devs don't respond... would you when you know that everything you post is going to be twisted into whatever agenda the person posting wants.... this place is toxic

What is even funnier is my first post is still valid after 100+ pages, the only difference is the reasons why ION is a scam and the team can't be trusted have changed.

You know what I'm gonna say next as you read my post history but for those that haven't to be 100% clear I don't give a shit if people invest or not. What I care about is trolls like you Franz who at ever opportunity try to stick the knife in unwilling to let ION evolve.

I am proud to be an investor in ION and know if my ION motivation was greed or ill intent then I too would be sitting on your side hoping the price would drop so I could buy more ION. Ultimately ION's success or failure will be down to their ability to implement their plan NOT coming here wasting time answering questions by people with ill intent..... unfortunately some do ask honest questions wanting to have a proper disscussion but like many things in life it's the few that ruin it for the many.

Your being kinda anal going through all my post history and quoting my first post but thank you, I feel honored that a master troll would take time out of their busy schedule to do that  Smiley......... It's almost like when I wrote it I knew that one day someone would quote it, 2 bits of troll bashing for the price of one Smiley .... but then that would make me clever so I guess I be just lucky.

And yes this thread on BCT is the only place here I post, this is a fun thread and you are all such nice people Wink


Honestly though you all said the same about paycoin and garza. Its about the vision we don't understand. Why would garza come here to answer questions if he's just shot down.

Serious few questions i'd appreciate you to answer.
1 - How long is too long for ion team to implement their vision? Much like cryptsy etc how long is too long before people should be suspicious of it going anywhere? Answer properly please. Soon or when its done isn't a good answer. Myself? If i invested i would have a reasonable expectation that my ico money would develop the product as i spent in good faith that it was happening. I'd likely expect 3-5 months max for the game etc to be released being such a simple game etc. I'd be weary after that.

2 - Don't you think both sides deserve to have questions answered? All questions in the world aren't asked from an angle where someone can answer and everyone cheers. Team ion did come out saying we aren't xpy we are transparent etc but wouldn't you agree its been anything but for the funds? If not are you able to identify posts or comments from huey that are showing how much of the ico is left and where and who it has been spent on? Investors expected it to be used as was stated. UP until now i see no mention anywhere of dev bounties etc being actually used. $300k isn't a small some of money and something could of been purchased with it now product wise.

Overall it doesn't matter how much bad troll press you think ion is getting it won't affect the project if its legit. Also them coming and answering if its fact based and they can show transparency and prove their actions no bad comments can actually affect it. Microsoft, apple, valve many companies have haters but their products shine and they get bad press. If ion has that weak of a spine and can't actually address questions and criticisms then i honestly think they have poor business practices and sense. I would not be confident they can compete if this is the case.

Sitting in the shadows is only for people with something to hide (this applies when money is involved).
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