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[suchmoon]

I posted the FAQ on iontalk:

https://www.iontalk.net/t/bitcointalk-ion-faq/207

Are you proud of this piece of work because it's not good especially for someone that has the capability to do so much better

Feel free to contribute if you have something relevant to say. By this point in our relationship I'm sure you already know what I think of your empty rhetoric.

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[korvas128]

I posted the FAQ on iontalk:

https://www.iontalk.net/t/bitcointalk-ion-faq/207

Are you proud of this piece of work because it's not good especially for someone that has the capability to do so much better

Feel free to contribute if you have something relevant to say. By this point in our relationship I'm sure you already know what I think of your empty rhetoric.

I might just do that how does the process for contribution work do I send you the changes for review or do I just make the changes how would you like to handle the control flow

[suchmoon]

I posted the FAQ on iontalk:

https://www.iontalk.net/t/bitcointalk-ion-faq/207

Are you proud of this piece of work because it's not good especially for someone that has the capability to do so much better

Feel free to contribute if you have something relevant to say. By this point in our relationship I'm sure you already know what I think of your empty rhetoric.

I might just do that how does the process for contribution work do I send you the changes for review or do I just make the changes how would you like to handle the control flow

Post it here or on iontalk, make it short and factual, with links whenever possible. After a few days I'll collect the contributions and update the FAQ.

[WildShark]

So once again anyone have any better ideas on how a small development team solicit intelligence from the land of crypto please share it

Has any whale ever asked any tough questions?

WildShark is a very vocal "Shark" in the Whale's meetings expressing his option on "input to direction of the platform". Which includes asking the tough questions to the Team and clarifying the Ionomy vision! None of this discussion pertains to my strategy of Buying/Selling IONs.

The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these! I also do not own any of Ionomy stock and therefore I DO NOT PERFORM INSIDER TRADING.

I'm not a financial expert, so I am open to correction if my interpretation is wrong.

@CyrptoBuds Is your interpretation wrong??? Are you going to correct it? or are we just rolling with WildShark's statements are correct??? How about you sharing an answer to Korvas128 question? I think having Whales, Sharks and Founders is a wise method of soliciting intelligence into the Ionomy project...

 I would never trust any statement you make without seeing indisputable proof of the claim.

Let's try and work on answering one though/statement at a time in our discussion with indisputable proof. Do you trust any of the statements made in the posting above. If you agree to them, let's say that it fills your "indisputable proof". Your other viable option is to visit the Ionomy Slack and ask your questions there where you can solicit intelligent answers from the ION community to my statements?

For more information, Join/Visit the Ionomy Slack @ https://ionomy.slack.com/messages/general/details/

No, I do not agree and I'm having problems following what you are doing here. Thanks.

What do you not understand about my statements made in the prior post??? I'm guessing your don't take them as "indisputable proof" since you disagree with my statements and you need to voice the reason you disagree to my statement here or in Ionomy Slack where they can prove your indisputable proof... What's wrong with my statement?

[CryptoBuds]

I stated before that I don't agree with you. I've stated why I don't agree wth you and I've also suggested a different solution to soliciting input. I think all your color coding and post mixing got you all mixed up.

[WildShark]

I stated before that I don't agree with you. I've stated why I don't agree wth you and I've also suggested a different solution to soliciting input. I think all your color coding and post mixing got you all mixed up.

I would never trust any statement you make without seeing indisputable proof of the claim.

maybe you will have luck in ionomy slack providing your "indisputable proof"...

How do you know that I am still a whale?
How do you know that I speak loudly in the meetings?
How do you know Sharky's been told about the details of the Ionomy vision?
How do you know Sharky's is Buying/Selling IONs?
How do you know the law where the company is registered?
How do you know Sharky's doesn't have stock in Ionomy?
If proof is provided, how do you know it wasn't faked?

in the mean time, let's roll with my statements until proven wrong with facts:

WildShark is a very vocal "Shark" in the Whale's meetings expressing his option on "input to direction of the platform". Which includes asking the tough questions to the Team and clarifying the Ionomy vision! None of this discussion pertains to my strategy of Buying/Selling IONs.

The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these! I also do not own any of Ionomy stock and therefore I DO NOT PERFORM INSIDER TRADING.

[WildShark]

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

[suchmoon]

Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

[WildShark]

Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

and atoms are not securities in Singapore so the definition of insider trading does not apply

and if Ionomy doesn't exist, how can any law be violated?

[WildShark]

Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

and atoms are not securities in Singapore so the definition of insider trading does not apply

and it Ionomy doesn't exist, how can any law be violated?

being asian and having lived in that part of the world most of my life (as well as having a lot of family living in singapore), you will find that most of the rules you find in the US are close if not the same as in singapore, so if it is illegal in the US it is more then likely illegal in singapore (well actually you will find singapore rules are generally a lot stricter then the US rules, and they are tougher on punishment then the US)

so you know Singapore law and can confirm that atom are a securities? the only law posted here pertained to a US law governing hashlets...

but if U say this project is Paycon 2, that means Ionomy stakers  are Hashlets and they are not traded? Where is the inside trading?

[suchmoon]

Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

and atoms are not securities in Singapore so the definition of insider trading does not apply

and if Ionomy doesn't exist, how can any law be violated?

Singapore doesn't matter. The SEC regulates securities in the US, even ones issued by foreign entities. So the SEC would have the final word anyway.

And no, using a fake business is not an valid excuse to violate laws. I hope you were joking with that one.

[WildShark]

Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

and atoms are not securities in Singapore so the definition of insider trading does not apply

and if Ionomy doesn't exist, how can any law be violated?

Singapore doesn't matter. The SEC regulates securities in the US, even ones issued by foreign entities. So the SEC would have the final word anyway.

And no, using a fake business is not an valid excuse to violate laws. I hope you were joking with that one.

so is atoms a securities or not? your the one that said Ionomy PTE doesn't exist???

so my statement is still true and valid: The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these!

[suchmoon]

Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

and atoms are not securities in Singapore so the definition of insider trading does not apply

and if Ionomy doesn't exist, how can any law be violated?

Singapore doesn't matter. The SEC regulates securities in the US, even ones issued by foreign entities. So the SEC would have the final word anyway.

And no, using a fake business is not an valid excuse to violate laws. I hope you were joking with that one.

so is atoms a securities or not? your the one that said Ionomy PTE doesn't exist???

You tell me if atoms are securities. I don't own any. Shouldn't you know what you own? I asked you if they are financial assets, or if they're tradable? Is there an expectation of profit associated with atoms? Do you know answers to those questions?

And yes, ionomy PTE doesn't exist. Try looking it up on Singapore business search. That's a separate issue though. You the one who brought up the ludicrous claim that law doesn't apply. It does.

You should talk to a lawyer. I'm serious. You don't seem to grasp what you're dealing with. Extremely bizarre considering the precedent with Garza.

Edit to your edit:

so my statement is still true and valid: The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these!

Doesn't follow. The definition of a security is far wider that that. Read up or talk to someone who knows these things.

[WildShark]

Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

and atoms are not securities in Singapore so the definition of insider trading does not apply

and if Ionomy doesn't exist, how can any law be violated?

Singapore doesn't matter. The SEC regulates securities in the US, even ones issued by foreign entities. So the SEC would have the final word anyway.

And no, using a fake business is not an valid excuse to violate laws. I hope you were joking with that one.

so is atoms a securities or not? your the one that said Ionomy PTE doesn't exist???

You tell me if atoms are securities. I don't own any. Shouldn't you know what you own? I asked you if they are financial assets, or if they're tradable? Is there an expectation of profit associated with atoms? Do you know answers to those questions?

And yes, ionomy PTE doesn't exist. Try looking it up on Singapore business search. That's a separate issue though. You the one who brought up the ludicrous claim that law doesn't apply. It does.

You should talk to a lawyer. I'm serious. You don't seem to grasp what you're dealing with. Extremely bizarre considering the precedent with Garza.

Edit to your edit:

so my statement is still true and valid: The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these!

Doesn't follow. The definition of a security is far wider that that. Read up or talk to someone who knows these things.

Thanks, I will do more homework on atoms being "securities" with the accountant... and if the company doesn't exist, I have a bigger problem....

[suchmoon]

so my statement is still true and valid: The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these!

Doesn't follow. The definition of a security is far wider that that. Read up or talk to someone who knows these things.

so my statement is still true and valid: The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these!

... or you could just be a parrot if that makes you feel better

Ionomy is lucky to have you sharkie.

[Phildo]

re: the company existing or not.

Why are you ok with a guy from Texas "running" a company "in singapore" anyway?

[WildShark]

I honestly don't know or care about the atoms, but I would be more worried about IONs, it would be just like when you are currency trading, if u have information before it is available to the general public and you act on that information (i.e. buy/sell ions), that is insider trading and is illegal

<edit> it would be the same as if I had the FOMC report before it was publicly available when trading currency

the information we have is a one way street with us providing input into the platform and the early access to the platform for testing... Ionomy operates on a policy that they do not release the dates of their milestones

[WildShark]

so my statement is still true and valid: The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these!

Doesn't follow. The definition of a security is far wider that that. Read up or talk to someone who knows these things.

so my statement is still true and valid: The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these!

... or you could just be a parrot if that makes you feel better

Ionomy is lucky to have you sharkie.

The Shark is far from rolling with the management, I buck the system often when I don't think they are doing the right thing or see something incorrect... I have earned my Shark reputation

[suchmoon]

the information we have is a one way street with us providing input into the platform and the early access to the platform for testing... Ionomy operates on a policy that they do not release the dates of their milestones

That's not what you've said before though. So you're now saying that you don't have access to the secret awesome business plan?

https://archive.is/dSAR6#selection-5939.0-5943.3

[o0o0]

Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

and atoms are not securities in Singapore so the definition of insider trading does not apply

and if Ionomy doesn't exist, how can any law be violated?

Singapore doesn't matter. The SEC regulates securities in the US, even ones issued by foreign entities. So the SEC would have the final word anyway.

And no, using a fake business is not an valid excuse to violate laws. I hope you were joking with that one.

so is atoms a securities or not? your the one that said Ionomy PTE doesn't exist???

You tell me if atoms are securities. I don't own any. Shouldn't you know what you own? I asked you if they are financial assets, or if they're tradable? Is there an expectation of profit associated with atoms? Do you know answers to those questions?

And yes, ionomy PTE doesn't exist. Try looking it up on Singapore business search. That's a separate issue though. You the one who brought up the ludicrous claim that law doesn't apply. It does.

You should talk to a lawyer. I'm serious. You don't seem to grasp what you're dealing with. Extremely bizarre considering the precedent with Garza.

Edit to your edit:

so my statement is still true and valid: The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these!

Doesn't follow. The definition of a security is far wider that that. Read up or talk to someone who knows these things.

Also note there was a very real grey area on masternodes for dash being unregistered securities. Apple want nothing to do with dash due to that and the anonymous attempt for the transfers and its a coin that can't be used in the app store apps.

Seeing as ion is based on dash with masternodes it follows suite. Also realise that the public masternodes are shares yes they are referred to as get your masternode share, that does a return on investing amount.

Just because there is no involvement with sec etc now doesn't mean that in the future its not the case. Remember that xpy users said the same thing... its not a scam, hashlets exist... hashlets aren't securities... no sec action so its sec approved (looking at you mr coins). Also note that your continued voice using terms like investment, shares etc sharky will have you as someone in the firing line later. Im going to go on a limb and say no matter what your internet research dictates neither your nor my word are definitive in the eyes of the law and with yourself encouraging others so publically and openly with the terms you use you do implicate yourself a lot. You aren't very cautious and arrogance in that regard does get one in trouble at times with internet archives etc.

I do know that what suchmoon etc say to be correct. Where a company is incorporated does NOT prevent law from catching up to them. If you offer services to citizens of a country then you come under their law jurisdictions... sure if you yourself live in the singapore or phillipines or anywhere else it might be a strech for them to extradite you but it doesn't make the actual company runners any less culpable. So matlack and his friends in usa living aren't protected just because they made their company in the phillipines and have some rent a director on the form name.