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9161  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Tesla was sold again for Bitcoin :) on: October 20, 2016, 06:19:37 AM
Never knew that you could buy a Tesla with Bitcoin, was the Tesla sold by a person that first owned it or did you buy it straight from the dealer with Bitcoin because I did not know that that was possible.
Maybe that I am going to buy a car with my Bitcoin in the future.

Story doesn't tell whether the car was new or pre owned, but judging from the price it was a new car...

Its really a new car   and  no one could able to buy a 2nd  hand  tesla car and they  wont announce it  on public if it bought on 2nd hand , for sure its a brand new  one. REally glad to hear this  type of news where bitcoins  adoption is already scattering  on some merchants not  only on small ones  but on  big businesses,
9162  Economy / Economics / Re: How would you double $100,000 safely? on: October 20, 2016, 06:15:54 AM
there is no 100% safe way for that, and way i know might take more than one year, so all you have to do is buy bitcoins and wait for their price to rise, then sell them
yeah true what you say that there is no method to grow and double its investment especially safe, everything is at risk. but I think that would not be possible for you to benefit two-fold if you hold bitcoin in just 1 year

Holding your bitcoin on 1 year period  would not still  guarantee you  to double your bitcoins/money. As we  observe on bitcoins price as of  now  its quite stable and   it really moves slowly  and we  cant guarantee that it would reach double amount  on next  1 year period but well we dont  know  what happens on the future.

True, if you mean  you would like to see 2x on your  investment  on  bitcoin shall we say $1200 in the price, it would be still an impossible thing  to  happen  in next year 2017, i dont think that  we could able to achieve this price on next year as  we saw on the  price movement  of bitcoin.
9163  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Signature campaign on: October 20, 2016, 06:14:08 AM
Hi guys

Do you know any signature campaign that accept red trust users?

Thanks Cheesy
I think there are many campaigns like the alt coins signature campaign because they hardly even care about the reputation and all, all they want is brutal advertising at the cost of their coins.
Personally I think red trust users should NOT ALLOWED since they have committed something wrong or scammed someone and dont deserve money from this forum.

Even  on altcoin campaigns , users with negative trust  would  have a hard time to join these  signature because  there  rules are all the same  and  major rule is  no negative user would be accepted  or  being  kicked  while  in middle on the  campaign that means  its very strict regarding on this matter.
9164  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin can disappear? on: October 20, 2016, 06:12:15 AM
Bitcoin can disappear?
And if bitcoin is a scam, what will happen in world?
People will panic?

If bitcoin disappear (i hope it does not), only a few percentage of the population will be affected because only a few percentage actually knows, holds or own bitcoin. It will not cause any massive panic but to only those who are heavily invested in bitcoin like the giant miners and those who hold thousands of bitcoin.

This is true, it would not  impact too much on  our  economy though but only  on the  bitcoin ecosystem and for sure those  big investors would really  lost a lot  of money  if bitcoin would disappear but for me its  impossible  for it  to  happen nowadays  because  bitcoin is going stronger and stronger.
9165  Economy / Economics / Re: Why You Should Never Sell Your Bitcoins Ever on: October 20, 2016, 06:05:33 AM
Some people say that you should never sell you Bitcoin never because those people think that in the future the price is going to be higher then it has ever been.
They then are going to sell of there Bitcoin that they have saved to make maximum profit.

These people are good in talking nonsense. The majority of the people that say they will not sell their coins before reaching a certain price level, will sell as soon as they see they have made like 25% profit. It's too tempting for them to resist. Only the best holders can manage to hold their coins till it reaches a certain price level. And these holders are a far minority I can tell you.

This is true, because  if people would see the  price of bitcoin rose  to a certain point and they could able to see that  they are making  25% or more on their investment for sure they  would really be tempted to sold  all of those bitcoin because  they would  like  to secure profits. Holding  on  how many years  are quite few for sure.
9166  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: i want start cloudmining !!! on: October 20, 2016, 06:03:40 AM
If you have more than 500 BTC then cloud mining is a good idea like hashnest and genesis mining and don't bother with eobot they will tell your country is sanctioned and delete your account with all funds completely.

That's what they did even though  when I was buying with paypal it was all OK but when tried to withdraw they deleted me Sad
You are right because cloud mining is hardly giving any profits right now unless you have high capital.
I will advice you to make a gambling site or invest in such a site because with cloud mining it is really getting us so hard times ( some sites scamming users using the name of cloud mining )

The same can happen with investing into dice sites. Also, I have not yet found a concrete proof about investment into these sites being profitable. Dice sites are for gambling and if you do want for gamble, click the link in my sig, visit one of the best and gamble.

Investment into dice, not sure that s so good.

Theres no good  on investing  into something  like playing gambling games. Its better to invest  on  the  house  itself because you could somehow assure yourself  on the profits that would be  made in the  long run. CLoudmining are  such a waste of  time and  money  because they are all  just scams.
9167  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is stealing Bitcoin illegal? on: October 20, 2016, 06:02:04 AM
actully yes it is kind of illigal but here nobody will actully gonna punish you as it is not in power of any government but if someone really finds a scammer then yes they can take appropriate action like arresting them

As long as it is illegal then that is not going to be a bad act and stealing of something that you don't own is against the law. But with the situation of op that is not considered as stealing because op just received bitcoin accidentally to his bitcoin wallet and he has no intention to steal the bitcoin of other people, maybe he could just return that.

HE could able to return if  hed like to.. but  the question here is   how  he would gonna return those coins?  If he  dont know  who really owns it  and then for sure he would tend to get those bitcoins rather than leaving it  and  thinking that its better to  benefit and dont let it  come to waste.
9168  Economy / Speculation / Re: Last correction before 700+ breakout on: October 20, 2016, 05:58:24 AM
^^^this chart predicts nothing and, actually, charts in most cases have no predictive value whatsoever.
They are useful tools to provide some rationality afterwards, but that's it.

I totally agree with you. I don't think someone can predict to future price of bitcoin just based on charts. Otherwise It would be f..king easy to being rich.

Charts  are  just tools  regarding on the movement of bitcoins price and  we cant really predict  the next movement but  there are  some  patterns  that we could able  to observe and  somehow assume  the next  movement but still we  cant guarantee it. No one  really knows the future.
9169  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your reason to gamble? Fun or profit? on: October 20, 2016, 05:55:29 AM
When you are going out to gamble a bit then you are going to think about winning because that is the reason why you are going but when with friends it can also be fun even if you lose.
But it is way more fun if you manage to win with gambling.
Most of the time when you gamble with your friends you will lose because you cannot concentrate as you will just bet base on your emotion, it is good in a game where strategy is not important and if you are lucky you might win but still you will not keep that money because you are still gonna enjoy that spending in other things.

Yeah,

And that is where control should take
part.

The secret to prevent big losses or further losses
in gambling is to control your self.
The amount you bet and the time you
spent on the game.

Having self  control on the middle of the game  would be  very a good  thing   because you could able to stop yourself  especially when you are lossing too much money with these  you could able to  decrease  too much lose. We should really treat gambling as  an  entertainment rather than on gaining profit.
9170  Economy / Economics / Re: Loans too risky? on: October 20, 2016, 05:53:39 AM
Loaning money for example is going to cost you more money so in fact you have to pay for money. But you should only take a loan for something important that you need in live. Do not take a loan if you do not have a good reason to do so.
Yeah if you make a loan in  loan service provider you must includ or give an a valid collateral to make your loan approve like in this forum but if you make loan just consider that you are borrowed is you can pay for it to dont get any problem.

If there will not be an escrow then I think the better way is to have valid id's shown also if the loaner or borrower just wont mind. There have been a lot of scams with this things. Maybe that could minimize this from happening over and over again.


Well we are in cyber world even though you are going to show someone a valid id you can just google it for there are a lot of identity theft's that are already happening. So I would say that it is still not guaranteed, in cyber world it is really hard to build trust for the people especially when there is a monetary value involved.
True, its really  hard to trust people here  on  online world which   you could  possibly get  lots of  informations  from other  people  and  could   able to fake  ID easily which  lendors would fall and about  to believe that they were legit borrowers. Thats  why  i dont  like this  loan business.
9171  Economy / Economics / Re: Selling Lemonade for Bitcoins? on: October 20, 2016, 05:49:35 AM
Where I live, you wouldn't get much business selling something for bitcoins at a lemonade stand or yard sale. Not that it's not a good idea overall, but there don't seem to be many people where I live that know about bitcoin.

I know, as people are not used to pay bitcoin in real life like in stalls or hawkers.It needs more technicalities,takes time to process or several minutes for confirmations. But,one day,I hope this will be solved,no waiting time for clearing.

It would not still  a problem  though as long  you can see the  tranfering  status  you could already assure that those bitcoins would  go to your wallet because as we all know that bitcoin transaction are  irreversible means  we couldnt able  to cancel  or  get back  our coins that weve sent.
9172  Economy / Speculation / Re: Does will bitcoin repeat a WONDERFUL big drop? No it does't. on: October 20, 2016, 05:48:04 AM
I do not think that it will drop anytime soon because the bitcoin has a good future and it will not go lower due to that.
I even think it will go up from now.

It is already dropping now but drop that is not going to be in the long run, this drop is just normal. But I hope that price of bitcoin is not going to drop.

Instead that it is going to keep on rising as we all hoping for that increase and hopefully this is going to be possible to reach up to $800.

This is possible before the end of the year.

You are right as we  saw on the price of bitcoin it start again to  go down, we dont  know exactly on the  circumtances that might affect on the price but  one things for sure   it would surely bounces  back up and  traders  would  love to see  bitcoins price would go down  because  they would have the chance again to buy cheap bitcoins.
9173  Other / Archival / Re: Do you agree with idea "Bitcoin bank" ? on: October 20, 2016, 05:46:23 AM
bitcoin bank would  be  nonsense  for me  hence what  would  be the  purpose of  wallets that used only for  bitcoin? FOr sure   most people would not tend to put their  bitcoin on a bank because its been  kept  by someone and we really dont  like that someone could able to  hold our bitcoin.
9174  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why Gambling is Fun? on: October 19, 2016, 12:38:33 PM
The unpredictability of results adds to the excitement of the game, plus if the stakes are higher, it adds more value. You can lose and still have fun because of the way you gamble. If it is sports betting and the game turns out to be a good one, it all adds up to the anticipation and the probability of the turn out.
This is  very true,  gambling  would  be fun  because  of  the unexpected   and  unpredictability  of the game  which  you could feel the thrill  and enjoyment that what makes  gambling  fun but  there are  most people  who would  change there  mood  if they would  suffer loss and thats  normal though for people.
9175  Economy / Economics / Re: Trade house for 1 bitcoin on: October 19, 2016, 12:29:38 PM
Someday a nice condo for 1 btc. Over 5 years for sure. For sure in Canada, that would be the case. A house in a regular

neighborhood that is just picket fence and hardworking parents, maybe sometime like that at LEAST 5-10 years.
I think its impossible to buy a nice condo with only 1btc within 5years or more. Its impossible for the price to jump so high that you can even buy a nice condo. Even the cheaper one I dont think 1btc is enough to purchased it in the next 5 years.

Well that is just like a dream that I want to go to the mars. But buying a nice condominium unit for just 1 bitcoin?

Well maybe you need to wait at least 50 years or even 20 years when the price is going to reach to $20,000 above. Because as of now.

Value of bitcoin is not sufficient to buy your own home.
Time will come that 1 Bitcoin will be valued at $100,000, I know you guys won't believe but me I am very optimistic with that as we are keeping our support in bitcoin and we have limited supply so with massive adoption the price will increase.

I couldnt blame you if your perspective about bitcoin  would reach  that price  but  for me  it would be impossible  even though it would  be succesful in the future. It would really need massive adoption   for bitcoins price  would rise this  high.
9176  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: 11200% In 30 Days, Min. 0.16 BTC, Principal Back, Only 29 Slots, Free Link By PM on: October 19, 2016, 12:14:18 PM
Hero member with a negative trust  regarding on ponzi.. It seems this is  only a  bought account for sure.  11200% is  insane for 30 days. No thing in this world could able to to that even if you are the most  rich person on this earth.
9177  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Buying clothes with bitcoins? on: October 19, 2016, 05:59:25 AM
There is not sold a lot of clothes these days for bitcoins but I do not think that is bad thing, it just need some time.
The fashion world still needs to find out the bitcoin and a lot of industries need that too so its just that we need some patient.

It would really takes time  for  apparel industry   to adopt bitcoin , there might  some  sites  or merchants do accept bitcoin as a payment to their goods but   its not available world wide thats why  we  should wait and  hoping that it would be available soon for  that we could able to  buy clothing directly with bitcoins.
9178  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: is gambling fix your life? or wreck your life? on: October 19, 2016, 05:49:28 AM
For now gambling is fix my life but i dont know for future
because everytime we can lose and busted
so far gambling is give good impact on my life

Good thing that gambling has able to fix your life and just keep on doing it so that you are going to be able to have a good life with gambling. And you are few in this world that gambling has made their lives fixed. Not all the people is going to say that gambling has a good impact to their lives especially when gambling wrecked their lives.
When time comes that gambling will be able to fix my life I would wish that I will be a millionaire because of gambling, for sure that would certainly fix my life as I would build my own house and maybe quit gambling for good and spend my winnings for the good future of my family.
i think no one know in advance that when gambling is going to fix your life, it is always a chance and no one know that when the chance is going to click so you should continue your struggle and wait for the time.

I think the time that will gambling going to fix your life is when you realized that gambling is the one that is destroying your life.

And upon realizing that then that is the time when enlightenment is going to enter to your mind and you are going to fix your ways and going to stay away from it.

That is the most scenarios that are happening when a person says that gambling fixed his life.
People would really change  if  they  already experienced worst case scenario  of  being wrecked  on playing  gambling . As you said they  would realized  in the end and could able to fix their  life again and wont intend to do  gambling again. Thats why when we  do play gambling we should  not  let  come to the point that we are  being wrecked.
9179  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: any good only-avatar campaign to join for now? on: October 19, 2016, 05:45:39 AM
Hello, i browse through the forum, and even on the Avatar only campaign main thread, i can only see quite few of campaign listed as most required signature.

Therefore, in your opinion, is there any avatar campaign which is worth to join right now?

Thanks!

Personal message + Avatar is available

As you mentioned  you already browse  this forum  regarding on avatar  campaign. I could say that   most campaigns  now are  merging avatar and  signature campaign which  they make  it  as a package  and  not  on separate  pay as  i observe now  on  new campaigns  compared to previous altcoin campaigns.
9180  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do you always missed the right time to sell/buy bitcoin? on: October 19, 2016, 05:38:06 AM
One problem is the price of bitcoin can be stable for weeks at a time in which case you can't make any money from trading.  Then what happens is that the price of bitcoin moves suddenly, but you make nothing because you are asleep.  So you do algo trading, and then you end up losing money because of bugs.
Trading with bots can be profitable but you need a good programmer, if you are not one yourself, and then you need to update the bot constantly in order to respond to new strategies that you may devise.

I do not think that its a good thing to do and that it can let you lose a lot of money too, I do not think that you should do it.
And the fact is that it can still let you lose a lot of money or sometimes its still even too slow..
If you have trading using bot for your trading job then you can have a good experience if that is profitable, however the market movement does not always move in one direction only, there are times that it moves the other way because of the big factors that might affect the its movement, like for example if there are crisis then you need to set your bot again, I think that is a hard job to do.

We cant  really rely fully on trading bots because  we couldnt  assure   if  we make  succesful trades anytime. Its better to do it manually because  you could able to control on when to sell or  buy  on a particular price point. We couldnt avoid such situation  on missing the  most exact time  to  buy or sell.
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