There is clear economic incentives for all nodes involved with significant volumes of transactions to upgrade (less fees paid in agreggate). The adoption metric is not to be evaluated on a per-node basis. As far as these large wallet providers are concerned the roll out could be immediate following the release of Seg Wit. So the scenario above is far from "optimistic" That non-consensual ('soft' fork) scaling 'solution' is a joke in the year of the halving. That's why the miners are finally acting. |
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SW, at it's theoretical maximum, will force you to transmit 4MB worth of data for only a 1.75MB maximum gain in tx's and associated fees. how does that help you vs a simple blocksize increase to 4MB worth of pure tx's and fees?
macbook-air please, if you are wang chun, do consult with the Core devs. LOL. The game is over for Blockstream Core, brg. More than 70 percent support the hardfork already. The sooner you capitulate the better for your health. |
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As Theymos said "Bitcoin Classic...is poised to be the greatest cryptocurrency since Bitcoin XT."
Couldn't have said it better myself. Yes, you bootlickers of the totalitarians are never able to say better things than such stupidities. You charlatans even can't spell the name of those you are 'criticizing'. |
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As I predicted yesterday morning:
Mike's capitulation will be the decisive wake up call that the community needed to save the Bitcoin project.
It was needed to finally fork the totalitarian tyrants out of the project.
Mike will make history of being the savior of Bitcoin.
In the evening we already saw a majority of the miners hashing power behing the intended fork with Bitcoin Classic.
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But hey, if you bitches prefer it by Peter Rizun coding shit, go for the fucking it.
Good riddance! The sooner the better noobs.
How's your day going hdbuck? Seems that they're coming at you from all sides... Power Rangers want segwit signature separation for old nodes... Classic has endorsement from 50% of the hashrate... eek. Core now officially #REKT; and the Front National/moronero trolls hyperventilating ... |
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Developers
Jonathan Toomim
Gavin Andresen
Ahmed Bodiwala
Jeff Garzik
Peter Rizun
What does Peter Rizun develop exactly? I was just about to ask the same question. He does nothing and is full of nonsense. They'd put anyone on that list just to show that they have support. Fair Enough ... He does maintain and code - Bitcoin unlimited... although some would be correct to question his abilities as a developer. Smart of them to remove Marshall Long from their list. I wasn't expecting Bitfury to jump on board as they have been primarily conservative with blocksizes. One thing to be aware of is not just the total hashing power but the total combined ASIC manufacturing in support of classic now ... Between KnCMiner, Bitmain/antminer, and Bitfury that is most of the ASICs being produced these days. Bitfury alone is believed to have a chip that could increase their hashing percentage from 13% to over 50% if they didn't resell them... Classic and Core need to start collaborating. What? Collaborate with the totalitarian idiots? Game over for Core: https://twitter.com/valeryvavilov/status/688054411650818048?s=09https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/413w2s/check_out_bitcoinclassics_miners_support_list_now/cyzd9ds |
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Mike's capitulation will be the decisive wake up call that the community needed to save the Bitcoin project.
It was needed to finally fork the totalitarian tyrants and their followers out of the project. Mike will make history of being the savior of Bitcoin.
I disagree. I think everything I wrote in the OP is even clearer now than it was at the time I wrote it. The Blockstream/Core Hijaakers are dug in even deeper. They fail to understand that it is their crippling of bitcoin that has led to this, not Mike Hearn. The only reason Mike failed is because he got WAY to aggressive with XT. If he had launched Classic instead, this would have been over months ago and we'd already be running 2b blocks, and Bitcoin would be over $1000, and the entire globe would be pouring in in panic of the financial collapse. I warned you this would happen. And now it appears that Blockstream/Core will make this a war to the death, and try and take Bitcoin with them if they can't have their way. ONLY hope is that the Classic team shuts up talking and simply uploads the 2mb Fork code ASAP. Deal with the rest of the crap later. Do the fork as promised and shut up about future development until that has passed. AND be prepared for R3CEV/HyperLedger/Banks/IBM/Cisco etc to run a fiat coin out against you. Because what has been learned here? That THEY have the power.... Media drives everything. They snap their fingers in a couple of months - and you will see stories all over the world pop up in a matter of seconds saying "Look a thte children's table - the squabbling immature babies of Bitcoin. We can't have those disorganized infighting nuts running our global finances. You don't want to trust your money to that!" And then they will talk endlessly about the new fiat coin, backed by the powers of IBM, CIsco, Banks, etc.... and the Gov'ts will speak in favor, and ALL the sheep will run to the new global fed coin. Don't think it can happen that fast? Bitcoin is at $386 as I write this. It's been less than 24 hours. That is how fragile Bitcoin is. Interstingly, once again everybody has missed the point of the OP. It's like talking to deaf people. Don't say I didn't warn you.
Mike, while legendary in his forthrightness, is not above exaggeration to fit a narrative. Partly I think he sour graped on the community because XT didn't work out like he wanted. He totally neglects to mention that very, very few Core devs are actually willing to hold to their roadmap if it becomes clear people are leaving in droves. Maybe Greg, Adam, Luke, Peter Todd, and Theymos are, but for the rest their support is contingent on small blocks actually turning out to be no problem.
That means the blocksize issue, even if Core doesn't get forked until the last minute, is self-correcting. The worst that happens is we get a delay.https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/410rnk/evaluating_mikes_bitcoin_is_dead_claim/cyyrv5j |
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Mike's capitulation will be the decisive wake up call that the community needed to save the Bitcoin project.
It was needed to finally fork the totalitarian tyrants and their followers out of the project. Mike will make history of being the savior of Bitcoin.
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LOL. Comical Ali from the Front National still believes that their alliance with North Korea will win the battle.
NK is Marxist; FN opposes Marxists. Zarathustra  LOL. Right wing collectivists and left wing collectivists are essentially the same. Mirror images of each other. Judean Peoples Front (JPF) 'against' the People's Front of Judea (PFJ). Their hooligans are sitting in the same stadium. As we all know, the soviet marxists turned their hyperflexible necks easily from marxism to fascism, because all of you represent the same kind of 'humans': Collectivists marching in fours behind a totalitarian Führer. The opposition to your left- and rightwing collectivist fronts are the anarchists. We are spitting at the door of the stadium. http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/ausland/europa/Gipfeltreffen-mit-Putins-fuenfter-Kolonne/story/30542701 |
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We can't both be quite happy with how things are changing, because one of us keeps frantically trying to protect the status quo
We'd just all be happy if you could leave Bitcoin alone and take care of your altcoins. Everytime one of you forkers open his mouth with yet another flavored governance coup the market drops. I mean, I'm expecting moon this year and you damn f0rkers are NOT going to ruin this  Moon without scaling. Is there an even dumber desire anywhere out there? That a majority has the desire to fork you totalitarian Pseudobitcoiners with your Blockstream Altcoin out of the game should not be a surprise. Don't get it twisted the totalitarians are the forkers attempting to subvert Bitcoin with the tyranny of the majority. I know it's the oldest trick in the book to point fingers and say the other one did it but you're not 5 years old, are you? Finally: Jeff is leaving the sinking ship of the Totalitarians. I never understood why he tried to compromise with the compromised for so many month. This was a promising day: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/40tuhy/the_bitcoin_community_should_get_behind_bitcoin/ |
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We can't both be quite happy with how things are changing, because one of us keeps frantically trying to protect the status quo
We'd just all be happy if you could leave Bitcoin alone and take care of your altcoins. Everytime one of you forkers open his mouth with yet another flavored governance coup the market drops. I mean, I'm expecting moon this year and you damn f0rkers are NOT going to ruin this Moon without scaling. Is there an even dumber desire anywhere out there? That a majority has the desire to fork you totalitarian Pseudobitcoiners with your Blockstream Altcoin out of the game should not be a surprise. |
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Neither XT nor Unlimited have failed. They are here if they are needed. If the growth in transactions slows down and Core's approach is early successfull, they will not be needed. But as soon as the highway is full, mempool growths continuosly and core's approaches fail you'll be thankfull for every alternative client that saves bitcoin.
(this said, classic may have chosen the wrong timing to come out. Otherwise they can now built a community and develop an own roadmap to be prepared when / if the need for some alternative to core will be urgent)
Let's just hope that it gets tested and implemented quickly. After SegWit there are certainly interesting things on the roadmap for Core; hopefully later there will be a standard block size increase. Hope is a strategy for fools. |
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reserved for links and references.
Here's a reference for ya Llama boy! https://bitcoinclassic.com/
Ka BOOM!* world is back to normal, progress again being made, blockstream hijaakers being rounded up for a good drobbing of ridicule!I love this new approach that the shilling, lying, manipulating blockstream fanboys have taken.... now we are expected to believe that a simple jump from 1mb > 2mb (which has huge support throughout the community) is a plot by the CIA. https://bitcoinclassic.com/ <<< BACK to the future! (by back, I mean, putting Bitcoin BACK on the original path Satoshi intended, rescued from the Blockstream Hijaakers)++ I love how even core distances itself from bitcoin.org and accepts multiple clients. The authorative, in-eloquent, aggressive, hate-spreading small block militia is left without masters. What will those poor kids do, when they find out that there is nobody who hugs and pats them for their media-engagement? Then they still have their 'Geliebte Führerin': https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1325375.msg13536859#msg13536859“The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.” Arthur Schopenhauer |
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"Furioser and furioser!" said Alice.
Fear does funny things to people.
Wasn't your precious XT fork supposed to happen today? Or was that yesterday? Either way, for all the sturm und drang last year the deadline turned out to be a titanic non-event. Exactly as the small block militia told you it would be. The militant small block comedians already decided to raise the limit before the halving date, to 4 MB (to get 1.5 MB). Aww, so gullible. It's the roadmap, signed by the members of the Politbüro. |
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"Furioser and furioser!" said Alice.
Fear does funny things to people.
Wasn't your precious XT fork supposed to happen today? Or was that yesterday? Either way, for all the sturm und drang last year the deadline turned out to be a titanic non-event. Exactly as the small block militia told you it would be. The militant small block comedians already decided to raise the limit before the halving date, to 4 MB (to get 1.5 MB). |
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