More technology means more complexity, which is not the solution. It is the problem.
Societies - as the opposite of humanity - have never been something different than 'problem solving societies' (Tainter). Societies are growing rampant, endlessly until the end. They are permanently investing in additional complexity/energy/debt to solve exponentially growing problems. The Game is over as soon as the ever shrinking marginal return of additional complexity/energy/debt reaches the tipping point.
Malthusian nonsense. I wrote about why Malthusians are always wrong: http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#2nd_Law_of_ThermoYou conflate the failure of socialism with the success of technology. Without technology you'd be freezing your ass off in a cave with no fire. This is why I ignore you. I allowed for the possibility that socialism fucked everything up so much this time around, we may fall into the abyss of a Dark Age. But I am not going to let that happen. And I have the power to stop it (where my work will be leveraged by all the hackers). You are a collectivist. You are trying to maintain the society (collectivism), which is a world of doing business with aliens. It is the opposite of anarchy, which is self-sufficiency in a world of self-sufficient communities, which means: no business and no labor division with aliens. |
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Malthusian nonsense. I wrote about why Malthusians are always wrong:
No, Tainter; and historic fact. Diminishing return on 'additional investment in additional complexity' until the tipping point (vulgo:the end of the society).  |
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Agreed there exists now the threat of falling into a Dark Age. And that is why I am working so hard on a technological solution. I know you don't believe it is possible to avoid a Dark Age. You might be correct, but you also might not be. I told you upthread that my strategy is to make it so the hackers can avoid confiscation and control over their activities, so that we can create 1000X more productivity in the Knowledge Age space. I hope this can offset the collapse of 47% into technological unemployment along with a $223 trillion global debt morass with a $2000 trillion derivatives and unfunded future social liabilities.
Never ever. More technology means more complexity, which is not the solution. It is the problem. Societies - as the opposite of humanity - have never been something different than 'problem solving societies' (Tainter). Societies are growing rampant, endlessly until the end. They are permanently investing in additional complexity/energy/debt to solve exponentially growing problems. The Game is over as soon as the ever shrinking marginal return of additional complexity/energy/debt reaches the tipping point. http://dieoff.org/page134.htm |
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P.S. John Williams (proprietor of ShadowStats.com) thinks we will have hyperinflation. He is entirely mistaken. We will have severe deflation.
You are both entirely mistaken. As soon as we have severe inflation or deflation, the game will be over and dark age begins. Japan and all other 400%-Debt/GDP economies are trying to maintain zero percent inflation until they can't. |
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What does that have to do with whether the technology exists to improve nuclear?
I hope you realize energy is regulated and taxed such that it is controlled by cartels. Getting rid of that doesn't imply a Dark Age, rather it frees us to realize innovations which were suppressed because they are paradigm shifts which compete with the cartels.
You fail to understand anarchy. Anarchy had never ever been something different than self-sufficiency. Whoever is (had been) self-sufficient, doesn't have a desire to trade with aliens and building (maintaining) complex structures. Anarcho capitalism is an oxymoron promoted by pseudo-anarchists. They are collectivists. |
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Toshiba is a centralist, hypercollectivist monster. |
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I believe allmuch of the economy will be forced underground by the collapse of the $150 trillion global debt bomb (which will attempt to confiscate all wealth and destroy all business at its end-game). Ignition is 2016ish.
I believe it will become illegal to write many kinds of software, to create 3D printer designs that compete with the factories owned by the old capital, etc..
A new age is upon us.
This paradigm shift will tear to shreds our current reality.
Ready for the Jetsons?
I believe many (most?) of you are not ready. You are still thinking in terms of this world we have now which is propped up by $150 trillion in funny money. Pull away that veneer and you have remaining those who are useless in the hitech world coming and those are useful. Make sure you are in the latter.
You're a dreamer. You really believe that there will still be something like a hightech world around when all debt (=money) with its just-in-time economy and -society has gone? It means dark age, but with the difference of 500 nuclear reactors and fuel pools not being cooled anymore. That's not the same as the infrastructure in ancient rome, egypt, maya etc., where pyramids and aqueducts only were left behind. |
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Still not able to sign off? |
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Zarathustra, you conflate orthogonal issues. DooMAD, I like what is linked from your signature. One mistake is you seem to assume that Bitcoin is the certain solution. The issue that nearly nobody understands is that an economy has never been thing based. An economy is always debt based. Therefore the crypto currencies are tools to destroy the debt and with the debt the economy (society). |
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a mad max-type collapse of the society on the actual level doesn't lead into the mother of all dark ages in the history of the societies (collectivism), but instead into a 10-20 years lasting interruption of a prospering society (collectivism) only. Really funny.
I must concede that the odds favor your outcome, but I am hoping the Knowledge Age cyberpunks can rejuvenate production. HOPE? Hope for production? (which is an euphemism for destruction) HOPE, that we can proceed with the 6th great extinction? http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2012/03/28/the-sixth-great-extinction-a-silent-extermination/High hopes ... In either case, we need a more anonymous crypto-coin. Bitcoin won't suffice.
With an anonymous crypto currency you can only destroy the society/economy. You can not maintain it, and that's the reason why we really need it. |
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Wrong. The history of the citizen within the societies is not the history of the human. The history of the human is dozen fold older and never suffered Mad Max Dark Ages. |
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I think you guys have a few screws loose.
You are the one with some srews not only loose, but lost. You are a pseudoanarchist sociotard who believes that a mad max-type collapse of the society on the actual level doesn't lead into the mother of all dark ages in the history of the societies (collectivism), but instead into a 10-20 years lasting interruption of a prospering society (collectivism) only. Really funny. |
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Most insiders and heroes here dont share your conspiracy theories.
I didn't say they do. I said they do speculate the Satoshi was NSA. Don't conflate two orthogonal things. I'm not a cypherpunk
I am. but I am nevertheless able to handle a device which can't being linked to myself.
Tell me more about your method, so I can tell you why you are technically ignorant of the fact that you are linked by the NSA. I know of only two current ways to be truly anonymous. Bingo. |
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...and 47% unemployment due to contagion with Knowledge Age technological unemployment (see Economic Devastation thread) will for about 10 - 20 years implode the Industrial Age economy.
But this will not last forever. The Knowledge Age will march on and be much greater in production.
You are a dreamer. A debt collapse of the society means mad max and dark age, but not only 47 % unemployment. Ridiculous. |
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Patriarchy (= ever growing debt/society/economy enforced by organized violence by priests and militarists, aka the state) startet some thousand years earlier, you idiot. But it will stop.
Economic growth will stop forever. Hahaha. Yeah right. Talk about looney cookie. Of course it will. The decadent citizen as a 'living' cartoon of the former human is an evolutionary cul-de-sac. If you can't see it, your problem.  |
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Most insiders and heroes here dont share your conspiracy theories.
I didn't say they do. I said they do speculate the Satoshi was NSA. Don't conflate two orthogonal things. I'm not a cypherpunk
I am. but I am nevertheless able to handle a device which can't being linked to myself.
Tell me more about your method, so I can tell you why you are technically ignorant of the fact that you are linked by the NSA. I dont need you for that. Non-paranoid cypherpunks already confirmed it to me. |
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Since you've confirmed you are Malthusian idiot such as the Luddites, I can now dismiss you as delusional. Btw, the economy and society have continued to grow since Mesopotamia until now. That won't stop. Patriarchy (= ever growing debt/society/economy enforced by organized violence by priests and militarists, aka the state) startet some thousand years earlier, you idiot. But it will stop. |
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The bitcoin community and the government dont know the identity of satoshi, the most famous bitcoiner. How is that possible, if bitcoin can't be used anonymously?
Best guess is NSA = Satoshi. Ask any insider privately. They all tell me this. Even if that isn't true, you have no way to know if the NSA knows who Satoshi is. Also block chain analysis seems to indicate he hasn't spent any of his Bitcoins, and who was recording IP addresses in Utah in 2009. It is 2014 now. Most insiders and heroes here dont share your conspiracy theories. I'm not a cypherpunk but I am nevertheless able to handle a device which can't be linked to myself. As I've read in other threads (in your totalitarian 'self-moderated(!) thread and the mad max thread) you dont understand the concept of society, economy, debt and growth. You think the hypercomplex society/economy (that came about solely on the basis of additional debt which is enforced by organized violence of the state) could be maintained in a barter world where crypto currencies replace growing debt. This is mickey mouse economics. A barter economy is austrian science fiction and did never exist in the real world. Stateless, unruled humans are not doing business, since they are (have been) self-sufficient. Cryptographics will destroy society/economy. That's the reason why I support it. I dont support it for the purpose of maintaining an endlessly rampant growing economy/society. Sorry for my poor English. It is not my language. |
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I know, you can't read. Whoever believes that organized violence by the world government can be maintained in a crypto environment doesn't understand anything.
You can't read. I didn't argue otherwise. "Let's make the coin we want for ourselves." Do it! Until then, Bitcoin - whether it is used partly or fully anonymous - which can't be mined by the governements is doing a great job to destroy FIAT, which itself is the basis of the government and the so called society of citizens, the living cartoons of the former humans. Bitcoin is fully compromised and is fiat(-at-arms-length) already. Dumbass. Fiat? You are crazy. The bitcoin community and the government dont know the identity of satoshi, the most famous bitcoiner. How is that possible, if bitcoin can't be used anonymously? |
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A BS answer to the fact that organized violence of the world government can't be maintained in a crypto world. The cypherpunks enforce the state mafia to act more and more totalitarian, and the more totalitarian they act, the nearer is the end of a governed society. Oh I agree, Bitcoin will be part of the totalitarian outcome, and the solution will come from cyberpunks such as myself. I know, you can't read. Whoever believes that organized violence by the world government can be maintained in a crypto environment doesn't understand anything. "Let's make the coin we want for ourselves." Do it! Until then, Bitcoin - whether it is partly or fully anonymous - which can't be mined by the governements is doing a great job to destroy FIAT, which itself is the basis of the government and the so called society of citizens, the living cartoons of the former humans. The bitcoin community and the governement dont know the identity of satoshi, the most famous bitcoiner. How is that possible, if bitcoin can't be used anonymously? |
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