I personnaliy don't think in terms of favoring lightning or blockstream.
I think we should keep layer 1 agile and resilient, like he is today.
Find good layer 2 solutions that can help solve scaling issues.
Adapt a little bit blocksize in layer 1 if it's needed to support good technical improvement on layer 2 that would be discovered at the time.
So ok to raise, but knowing what we are doing, not saying visa do billions of transactions a day, we need gigabytes blocks.
Bitcoin layer 1 is not visa, it's world ledger. Visa would be layer 2
Exactly. Framing this debate as XT vs Blockstream is highly manipulative; I reserve my right to reject their ideas for Bitcoin also. Blockstream might not succeed as the sidechain extension to Bitcoin, but something better could. But that's a completely different issue to the Hearn gang coup d'etats. The Hearn gang coin is open source. Your Blockstream gang coin is not. |
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It is unbelievable but true. Idiocy prevails. This stalker thread is still unlocked.
Ah, there you are. I was going to ask you if there is any truth to this thing which covered Switzerland a little bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQIBpGu5I6EIf there is, I am extra glad that my ancestors got the fuck out of there. Switzerland is the one and only Direct Democracy. The country can be glad seeing people with your mentality (stalking/hating direct voting/applauding censorship) leaving. |
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The windbag who was not able not deliver opened a new tread.
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And yet new threads that may be both NARROW in scope and ON topic, but completely REDUNDANT, INNANE, and ZERO LASTING DISCUSSION VALUE because they essentially ask the SAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, are allowed be created daily over and over and over again for YEARS, and live on forever with no removal, culling or censorship whatsover.
Such threads have titles like :
Why the drop in price?
Why is the price rising?
Why the rebound?
New low?
New high?
New bubble!!
New crash!!
New dump!!
Where you you think the price will be in <2 minutes/1 hours/5 days/2 weeks/4 months/next year/in 5 years/ in 10 years/etc, etc.>?
And almost ever single one of these new threads is created by a throwaway troll account with 0 activity. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
The irony on this sub forum is sickening...
It is unbelievable but true. Idiocy prevails. This stalker thread is still unlocked. |
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I know you locked this thread, but I'm going to reply anyway. I find these policies very interesting. It sounds like the Forum permits threads that are entirely off-topic (in the off-topic section); however, threads that are highly-relevant to Bitcoin but broad in scope are not permitted anywhere, regardless of their popularity.
The forum itself is about all things bitcoin, there shouldn't be a need to make a single thread for all things bitcoin. What is it about the format you find compelling? I had some ideas that would help to replicate what you might gain from such a thread and improve the forum, such as a friends list (that requires confirmation, with an activity feed, etc) but thinking about it, it seems like it's mostly a groupthink phenomenon, and not a lacking feature of the forum. This forum is full of XT-threads, but the most popular one is the only one that has been locked. And it is still locked! Is it still possible for you to look into the mirror? |
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The "XT-BECAUSE-OFFENDED meme" refers to the last ditch attempt of the Gavinistas to justify their attack using theymo's so-called "censorship" and/or rude conduct of Core supporters.
Gavinist: XT is open source! iCEstream: It is an attack! It is an attack!  |
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XT is ready - core is not.
Not the only thing XT is ready for. I'm not interested in XT, please stop offering it to people that clearly do not want it. Is this how people like you usually handle rejection? (harassment)  You are free to run the blockstream client as long as you want! You should read Krona Rev's post again. Yes, he's one of the many who believed that a collective of the millions might be a community. I knew that this will never be the reality. Consensus exists only in communities (Dunbar's number). Large collectives are ruled by the majority. |
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XT is ready - core is not.
Not the only thing XT is ready for. I'm not interested in XT, please stop offering it to people that clearly do not want it. Is this how people like you usually handle rejection? (harassment) You are free to run the blockstream client as long as you want! Why aren't you saying that then, instead of offering me again something you know I will reject? You could say "I see where you're coming from, I know what you'd like, Blockstream!". But instead you try telling me that because the one block halving sent transactions surging, then it will again? And XT is the only thing "ready"? It won't be ready for anything if it doesn't get popular support. I don't offer you anything, and I'm not "telling you that because the one block halving sent transactions surging, then it will again". I'm telling you that if next halving will send transactions surging again, then XT is ready already; core is not. They have to do something, if they want to be ready. But it seems that they don't want. The blockstream devs want to see the txs on their private chain. At least that's the impression of the 8MB block-proponents. Can you think of any other inevitable events that could (or not...) precipitate increased transactions rates? Perhaps something that directly increases the demand for Bitcoin transactions? if you chose one such example, then you could actually make a good argument based around predictable sudden increases in tx rate. Why am I having to help you construct your argument for you, tell me? I don't need your 'help', thanks. |
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XT is ready - core is not.
Not the only thing XT is ready for. I'm not interested in XT, please stop offering it to people that clearly do not want it. Is this how people like you usually handle rejection? (harassment) You are free to run the blockstream client as long as you want! Why aren't you saying that then, instead of offering me again something you know I will reject? You could say "I see where you're coming from, I know what you'd like, Blockstream!". But instead you try telling me that because the one block halving sent transactions surging, then it will again? And XT is the only thing "ready"? It won't be ready for anything if it doesn't get popular support. I don't offer you anything, and I'm not "telling you that because the one block halving sent transactions surging, then it will again". I'm telling you that if next halving will send transactions surging again, then XT is ready already; core is not. They have to do something, if they want to be ready. But it seems that they don't want. The blockstream devs want to see the txs on their private chain. At least that's the impression of the 8MB block-proponents. |
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XT is ready - core is not.
Not the only thing XT is ready for. I'm not interested in XT, please stop offering it to people that clearly do not want it. Is this how people like you usually handle rejection? (harassment) You are free to run the blockstream client as long as you want! |
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Btw, many don't forsee any serious problems if the limit is not changed in the near future. This is only what the XT guys say in order to give people a sense of urgency.
Yep, the transaction flooding attacks didn't raise the fees a huge amount. If everyone had kept some old unspent coins (at least about 6 months or so), then they could have used those to make any vital bitcoin transactions without long waits or paying the elevated fees (old coins sent with low fees are equivalent to fresh coins sent with high fees when it comes to transaction priority). It barely impacts users really, but it costs the attacker no small amount of money (20 BTC in fees if I remember rightly, lol) FUD accusations from the XT crowd are steeped in irony in this light; their entire campaign is premised on FUD mongering about something that is not urgent Spring 12 to spring 13 (Halving between) brought a 10 fold increase of txs. Therefore, it is urgent to be ready for a repetition of that. XT is ready - core is not. |
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I support bitcoin core with bigger block size. bitcoin XT i will say no !!!!! go to hell XT!!
No problem. Implement BIP101 into core. It will be counted as well to the 75% needed. |
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Before cypherdoc locked his thread and tried to blame the mods,
Using censorship to silence any individual or groups of individuals is fundamentally one of the most horrible things that can be done to a human being. You know that claim is nonsense, but join in the attack to silence others. You are simply a horrible person, you think you are funny but you are not. Welcome to my permanent ignore list. Gavinistas have been censoring people on reddit for months. Stop being an hypocrite. I'm not endorsing any censorship but this attempt from your side at claiming moral high ground is deceitful and unwarranted. You too, you know this statement is nonsense. Gavin and others have done nothing of the sort. The only one supporting censorship is you. Look in the mirror and know that you are a truly horrible person that supports violating people's rights and jokes and laughs about it. It is no joking matter. That's all they can do. |
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Satoshi definitely intended to increase the hard max block size. See:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1347.0
I believe that Satoshi expected most people to use some sort of lightweight node, with only companies and true enthusiasts being full nodes. Mike Hearn's view is similar to Satoshi's view.
I strongly disagree with the idea that changing the max block size is a violation of the "Bitcoin currency guarantees". Satoshi said that the max block size could be increased, and the max block size is never mentioned in any of the standard descriptions of the Bitcoin system.
IMO Mike Hearn's plan would probably work. The market/community would find a way to pay for the network's security, and it would be easy enough to become a full node that the currency wouldn't be at risk. The max block size would not truly be unlimited, since miners would always need to produce blocks that the vast majority of full nodes and other miners would be able and willing to process in a reasonable amount of time.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140233.msg1492629#msg1492629
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I support only Bitcoin Core. If any changes or implementations needed, they must be done to Bitcoin Core only!
Well, who is in charge of core? Blockstream |
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indeed, if you don't trust Mike and Gavin's XT code, but (for some unfathomable reason) you do trust Adam and Greg's Core, and Wladimir, Jorge, Pieter, Matt, Todd, Mark and all the others
You pathetic pathological lying POS Great linguistics. That's why you and your soul mates are down voted everywhere. Those warriors are always followed by a minority of the communitiy. |
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Your old ass might have never heard of "Don't hate the player, hate the game" did ya?
A dangerous, unwarranted and most definitely not authorized attack on the network. Yes authorized as in these two balloon blowers don't have the authority to fork under political opinions and organize a veritable PR attack, appealing to their fraudulent identity and to the system's creator vision. A weak, shameless attempt to rip apart the consensus, NOT create a new one.
That young ass never heard that anyone has the authority to code a client in an open source environment. Yes, but never the moral authority to force it through everyone's throat with a campaign of coordinated PR hack jobs painted with all the fallacious arguments in the dictum. that's funny. the only force i see is the censorship. Orwellian speak of the cheerleaders of the censors. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Censorship is liberalism. Just like you 'Free Shit Nation' people who think that the world owes you free crypto-currency transactions, you also seem to think that the world owes you a free place to shill for whatever you want. You are a notorious liar ("cypherdoc locked his thread"). A forum owner has a right to be a living cartoon of a libertarian, to be a Janus head to spread the opposite of satoshis and his own vision now, a right to destroy himself, his reputation, his forums and spitting on his guests (contributors and sponsors), and his guests have a right to unmask such behavior. It is only sad, but that's life. |
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Your old ass might have never heard of "Don't hate the player, hate the game" did ya?
A dangerous, unwarranted and most definitely not authorized attack on the network. Yes authorized as in these two balloon blowers don't have the authority to fork under political opinions and organize a veritable PR attack, appealing to their fraudulent identity and to the system's creator vision. A weak, shameless attempt to rip apart the consensus, NOT create a new one.
That young ass never heard that anyone has the authority to code a client in an open source environment. Yes, but never the moral authority to force it through everyone's throat with a campaign of coordinated PR hack jobs painted with all the fallacious arguments in the dictum. that's funny. the only force i see is the censorship. Orwellian speak of the cheerleaders of the censors. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Censorship is liberalism. |
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Your old ass might have never heard of "Don't hate the player, hate the game" did ya?
A dangerous, unwarranted and most definitely not authorized attack on the network. Yes authorized as in these two balloon blowers don't have the authority to fork under political opinions and organize a veritable PR attack, appealing to their fraudulent identity and to the system's creator vision. A weak, shameless attempt to rip apart the consensus, NOT create a new one.
That young ass never heard that anyone has the authority to code a client in an open source environment. Yes, but never the moral authority to force it through everyone's throat through a campaign of coordinated PR hack jobs. The moral authority to force it...   Ridiculous. A moraliser. You are downvoted everywhere. That's your problem. |
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Your old ass might have never heard of "Don't hate the player, hate the game" did ya?
A dangerous, unwarranted and most definitely not authorized attack on the network. Yes authorized as in these two balloon blowers don't have the authority to fork under political opinions and organize a veritable PR attack, appealing to their fraudulent identity and to the system's creator vision. A weak, shameless attempt to rip apart the consensus, NOT create a new one.
That young ass never heard that anyone has the authority to code a client in an open source environment. |
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