For the last three years i have involved in Bitcoin community the mosth strange think that i never understand is why person that have grow from Bitcoin and that everything that do now is from bitcoin the turn against it and they spread fud for it. Yesterday have read an article from international Business Times "Vitalik Buterin theorises about monetising an Ethereum browser, the price of Bitcoin and education in China". Was an interview from Vitalik Buterin a bitcoin pioneer and now the ethereum genius or something like that. The interview has dozens of fud from Vitalik to the Bitcoin. I will arrange some of them.. "Bitcoin itself, and that includes both Bitcoin as a currency and for payments and Bitcoin as a store of value – it really hasn't grown.
"The price is down 80%.
And his coin's price is down 60% against Bitcoin. |
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What a dishonest argument of u\nullc ! He knows very well that that post has been downvoted. Instead of engaging against censorship, he comes with this lame excuse. Disappointing counterproductive behavior. |
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Core development and core forums seem to be dominated by children with north korean tutors. Peak stupidity shouldn't be far away now. I'm still bullish. |
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New wave of banning idiocy in their spheres at the moment.
Indeed. I was banned earlier today. And it looks like Adrian-X was just banned too. Great. Censoring and banning is strengthening the position of the competitors. two little trolls banned from reddit and tipping one another. bouhouhou life is unfairrr.. not. It is an award to get banned by the Politbüro and its cheerleaders. It helps a lot. whatever you guys inhale - but the fact is that people just enjoy having a laugh at you morons. Laughing 'Bitcoiners' with such a 'language' will never be relevant for bitcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162684.msg12605039#msg12605039 |
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New wave of banning idiocy in their spheres at the moment.
Indeed. I was banned earlier today. And it looks like Adrian-X was just banned too. Great. Censoring and banning is strengthening the position of the competitors. two little trolls banned from reddit and tipping one another. bouhouhou life is unfairrr.. not. It is an award to get banned by the Politbüro and its cheerleaders. It helps a lot. |
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New wave of banning idiocy in their spheres at the moment.
Indeed. I was banned earlier today. And it looks like Adrian-X was just banned too. Great. Censoring and banning is strengthening the position of the competitors. But they seem to believe the opposite. How old are they? |
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How close are we to moving everything XT related into a sub section of the forum or even dumping it all it the altcoin section?
It's quite clear that XT is now a non discussion & doesn't belong in the main part of the forum.
RIP XT.
It's not about XT, it's about competition. All these threads show how worried the cheerleaders of the stream blockers are. New wave of banning idiocy in their spheres at the moment. q.e.d. |
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This is how consensus works -- it's messy, painful and takes time, but it's the best damn thing we have. A democracy for bitcoin is the death of bitcoin -- it will simply be co-opted as all governments have been. Bitcoin is a form of democracy where the economic majority decides, whether you like it or not this has always been the case. Yes, and this times (when blockstream represents a dev majority) it is rather feudalism. It is as if LINUX would be developed by a majority of IBM delegates. |
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There is no way to keep the banning enthusiasts on the mainchain. They will be forked off to nirvana.
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You sound like all socialist shills.
I'm not sure what you sound like. I do know it has very little to do with how that real world place operates. He sounds as always. As the elitist ad hominem spammer destroying also this thread. Unfortunately he believes that he has to be everywhere to take over every thread and having the last word in every case. 30 percent of the posts are written by this pseudo 'bitcoiner'. Disgusting and completely against the idea of Bitcoin. No, you're projecting your own transgressions onto others again. You're supporting the banks taking control of Bitcoin by promoting the accelerated growth of node resource requirements out fo the reach of ordinary users and ordinary miners. You are the psuedo-bitcoiners, and you are the relentless BS artists in this debate. You cannot alter reality by virtue of continuously re-stating your preferred fantasy, everything you and your cohort have said and done is still here in black and white, and it turns out that the vast majority of genuine bitcoiners were not as gullible as your tactics suggest that you believed. No wonder you're all so incredibly bitter. You are the one who is bitter. You - like brg444 - are one of those who notoriously attack others ad hominem. Your newest ad hominem attack: "Hearn is a sociopath". |
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You sound like all socialist shills.
I'm not sure what you sound like. I do know it has very little to do with how that real world place operates. He sounds as always. As the elitist ad hominem spammer destroying also this thread. Unfortunately he believes that he has to be everywhere to take over every thread and having the last word in every case. 30 percent of the posts are written by this pseudo 'bitcoiner'. Disgusting and completely against the idea of Bitcoin. |
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edit: ladies and gentlemen... the economic majority agressive minority:   Uuuh, the communist orwellian speakers define competition as agression. |
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What success   Unlikely for a few more years... of course we need to push projects like Fidelity and NASDAQ away though  Pathetic. Yes, it is pathetic that you Gavinistas actually believed you controlled more than ~0% of Bitcoin's socioeconomic consensus. It's also pathetic you thought you could create a false sense of urgency, to sell XT via the fear of missing out on "projects like Fidelity and NASDAQ." It's not like i spent all summer long explaining exactly why MPEX's Gavincoin Short, etc, made your 'strategy of defection' impossible. Even after XT lost, you still don't realize and/or can't admit XT lost. Pathetic.  Unbelievable. You are still fighting your proxy war against XT. |
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I suppose this thread refuses to die just like BIP101 is refusing to die. Since it represents both hope and fear for different people.
This thread won't die whilst ever the comedy duo of Ice'n'Brg are around to keep pimping it. They desperately need it at the top of bitcoin discussion so they can feed there ego. The thing is these two clowns aren't even really arguing for anything that can be defined, they are just arguing about how they are right, AND SMRTER TAHN U. It's like tuning in and watching re-runs of your least favourite shitty party political broadcast. Its all propoganda, nothing else to see. As for BIP101, that will die once core reaches consensus about the way forward with the now inevitable block size increase. Along with the other block size related BIPs. XT didn't get rekt, it did exactly what was necessary to get serious discussion. Yes, it caused a multiplication of the agitation of that comedy duo. The two are the living example of XT's success in the way you described it above. |
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But too bad. We're not going to stop. If you don't like it, fork off ...
Too bad. We're not going to stop. If you don't like it, fork off. lol how old are you even? tss we are not phrokers. you and your XTshill buddies are. this smells the poor 16yo troll running out of arguments. so yea, ph0rk off. Your jargon is of an adolescent. im adjusting to your logic. you are always acting like an adolescent. Memes, pictures, childish jargon. But children are welcome at bitcoin. |
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But too bad. We're not going to stop. If you don't like it, fork off ...
Too bad. We're not going to stop. If you don't like it, fork off. lol how old are you even? tss we are not phrokers. you and your XTshill buddies are. this smells the poor 16yo troll running out of arguments. so yea, ph0rk off. Your jargon is of an adolescent. |
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But too bad. We're not going to stop. If you don't like it, fork off ...
Too bad. We're not going to stop. If you don't like it, fork off. |
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I'm not so sure that altcoins have a lot more throughput than Bitcoin after reading this summary of testnet limitations of BitShare 2.0, which is claiming it an reach 100k TPS in the real-world:
Bitshares full nodes are very different to Bitcoin. Bitshares is delegated proof of stake, as far as I understand it there are only 100 full nodes which are incentivized and voted into position by the users based on the amount they hold. Other examples would be Dash which has fully incentivized full nodes implemented in a more decentralized fashion compared to Bitcoin. Ethereum also has some interesting solutions to scalability as well. Yes, and that is sort of my point. You can throw out PoW, relieving a lot of CPU/GPU/ASIC intensive work (without getting into security implications), and, like Bitcoin, the primary bottlenck is still networking. I am not referring to PoW in these examples, I was referring to full nodes which are dealing with the primary bottleneck of networking. At the cost of sacrificing decentralization. This is just trying to find a happy place between Bitcoin and Visa. Yet, it is clear that they acknowledge, that the primary issue is networking. We agree on the primary point. So, let's apply that to the discussions on this thread. Does XT solve the primary scalability issue facing Bitcoin today... networking load and latency? Right Exactly! the block size debate is kinda besides the point, block should be as big as they need too, period the end. and we should be focused on solving this core issue. the scalability debate should be more about,figuring out what the "max load" or "min requirements" we expect from full node users ( 15MBPS + reasonable computer?? ) and reducing the load to accommodate as much traffic as possible. The min requirement is simple: being able to run a node over an anonymous low-bandwidth connection I’d ignore mundane expenses like hardware and power. Instead, recall that, if a full node cannot be run anonymously, “the network” (full node entry) is effectively controlled by law enforcement, a central entity. Therefore, my view is that the current largest “cost” (and current bottleneck to Bitcoin scalability) is therefore the threat of persecution. By low bandwidth you mean a 56K external modem? You never answered my questions about how do you plan to make the protocol measure the "cost" of running a node btw. he wants full node to run behind TOR which is retardedly slow, he's bonkers. go make a shit coin brg444, we want to make a really good digital currency not enable childporn. They are making it already. Those who promote and keep running a small block implementation will get that shit coin. There is a consensus among the small blockers to get that coin. Some of those hard core small blockers will believe to hold the valid coin even when the price will be zero or less: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690 |
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I will put the summary here again.
Bitcoin can leverage its network effect gained from the first mover advantage in order to play it safe with regards to its limit on block size as the cost to switch would be the highest, but other systems would need to stay within the confines of the home networks in order to provide the same core value proposition to compete with Bitcoin properly.
Bitcoin needs to move only when it absolutely has to, there is no reason to do this at the moment.
Yes. And it should be ready at any moment. Some implementations are, some not. |
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