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461  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum IPO reboot coming, time to get nervous about the future of crypto on: July 31, 2014, 02:24:17 PM
Comparing Ethereum with NXT is like comparing a nice car (NXT) with its production and assembly line (Ethereum).

Nope, there's nothing that Eth is slated to do that can't be implemented in the NXT eco-system.
When NXT releases Monetary System, NXT becomes the factory......a better comparison would be that NXT is Lego and Eth is a 3d printer.

https://www.ethereum.org/
https://nxtforum.org/index.php
I've just spent a few minutes checking out Ethereums site.....apart from the money slurping machine at the front door, it reads like an extract from NXTs technical discussion section.

How much money has it slurped now?

9,471.85518446 BTC at the moment.

Which makes the company currently worth $5,544,000 USD.

Ridiculous.
462  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will EXO destroy Nxt, NEM, Node aka java crap? on: July 30, 2014, 09:05:20 PM
Wow I didn't know they were all working on decentralized crypto currencies

Peter378 asked about "some examples of how Java is used in the business industry". Business != crypto currencies.

We're talking about financial systems. So far I'm not seeing any particularly persuasive arguments over why C++ 11 is any better than Java, other than the OP being a holder of EXO.

Indeed Java is better for financial apps as it's easier to write safer code. No pointers to arbitrarily access memory, no buffer overruns, bound checking, etc.  C++  is is better choice for apps that require faster start up and native integration.  

Faster start up is totaly irrelevant for server apps that start once and run for weeks/months without shutting down. Native integration is not needed either. Funny to watch Exo having difficulty releasing linux version. Had he used Java instead, it would have been platform independent. There is absolutely no reason to write crypto (server side)   in C++. It's a bad choice for the job.  

It's fine to write crypto clients in C++, and indeed anyone can write Nxt client in C++ for Windows. The client interacts with server (written i Java) . On the client side faster start up and native integration with GUI would be more desirable.

All valid points. Provided the code is secure, I think whether it's written in C++ or Java is a moot point. Both languages have their respective strengths and weaknesses. C++ offers speed, but at the expense of being more vulnerable. I've coded in both languages, and personally I find Java cumbersome and verbose, but it is safer.

Personally, I prefer C++ as a language, but that's as a programmer, not an end-user.
463  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will EXO destroy Nxt, NEM, Node aka java crap? on: July 30, 2014, 07:41:52 PM
Wow I didn't know they were all working on decentralized crypto currencies

Peter378 asked about "some examples of how Java is used in the business industry". Business != crypto currencies.

We're talking about financial systems. So far I'm not seeing any particularly persuasive arguments over why C++ 11 is any better than Java, other than the OP being a holder of EXO.
464  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 29, 2014, 08:32:55 PM

They might not be lying about Paypal holding on to funds. That's what they do in disputes. They've also recently (last six months, I believe) enacted a reserve system, so they'll hold on to a % of all your Paypal funds, judged based on certain risk factors. Legal, credit score, disputes, and so on.

I do think they're scapegoating to the highest degree here, but there may be a tiny grain of truth in that Paypal are probably hold on to a decent chunk of the payments they've recieved via Paypal.
That statement may be TRUE. Its the rest of the LIES I'm worried about. We're all supposed to believe their word is now gospel when they have lied from the start. The Coindesk article sums up this whole mess pretty well.

Oh, I wouldn't believe a word they say, now. Their shipping date promise is as hollow as every other promise. If they were committed to it, they'd put it in their T&Cs

It's kind of funny how shit hot they are on the legalities of refunds, yet shipping dates are as transient as mist. "Hope" is not a valid commitment. I'm not sure what holds them to September other than their word, and I think a lot of people don't think very highly of their word. Less talk, more action.

Lets just just assume, worst comes to worst, that they don't ship in September. Blah blah, setbacks., blah blah. What then? What's to stop history repeating? Words aren't enough.
465  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 29, 2014, 08:15:13 PM
You were right  s1gs3gv. The big announcement is shares in the company.

http://www.coindesk.com/alpha-technology-blames-paypal-dispute-bitcoin-asic-delivery-delay/

Quote
“Any future mining operations and any future batches we do, our customers will gain a share of the profits via dividend distributions,” said Akram, promising further details of the deal “soon”.

Smells pretty desperate if you ask me. Who the hell is going to buy Alpha's overpriced junk in September. They will have to massively increase hashrate and cut the price. A dividend share of £0= £0



They might not be lying about Paypal holding on to funds. That's what they do in disputes. They've also recently (last six months, I believe) enacted a reserve system, so they'll hold on to a % of all your Paypal funds, judged based on certain risk factors. Legal, credit score, disputes, and so on.

I do think they're scapegoating to the highest degree here, but there may be a tiny grain of truth in that Paypal are probably holding on to a decent chunk of the payments they've recieved via Paypal.

It's a bad excuse, though. I don't think the funds they can't access are that high compared to what they've obtained elsewhere, and the tapeout issues clearly demonstrate their lack of experience and inability to operate as an ASIC developer.

The reason I have doubt is that after 60 days (soon to be 90, if not already, although I don't think it's retroactive), you can no longer make a paypal claim. So if they do have money issues, it's with Paypal's reserve system. If you paid via card via Paypal, I believe you can still initiate a charge-back.

They're accountants. No surprise they'll blame accountancy for their problems.

466  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 29, 2014, 07:03:58 PM
Alpha Technology know their image is in tatters.

This isn't turning a new leaf. This is damage control. With legal action from customers looming over them, they're battening down the hatches.

So much for transparency. What a load of bullshit.
467  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 29, 2014, 01:39:29 PM

Well, banning the majority of their customer base from their own forum was resulting in a large backlash of customers posting here. It wasn't a smart strategy to begin with.

By unbanning them it makes them look like the good guys doing everyone a favour, and curries gratitude from some of those they unban.

I like their use of unprecedented in that post. What was unprecedented was how many of their own customers they were banning from their website.

It's a sign that they're feeling the pressure. The threats of legal action, the potential backlash, while they're afforded more time. What makes these promises any more guaranteed than their last promises?

You, as customers, should be demanding that shipping date in their T&Cs, and if they don't comply, then be able to be refunded. Empty promises are just that. Words.
468  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 28, 2014, 08:22:04 PM
AT makes this argument that you classify as a business because the miners can only be used to mine cryptocurrency.

If you can provably demonstrate that to be false, then it kind of destroys their entire legal claim, regardless of whether they think it's legal or not. The truth is, the only way to recover your money is going to be to either sell, or take legal action.
469  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: what is going on? is everyone on vacation or something? on: July 28, 2014, 12:46:56 PM
Too many coins, BTC spread too thin, a downward trend because it's harder and harder to make a dishonest buck pumping and dumping crapcoins.

The alt crypto scene is dying a slow death.
470  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: okay i am new at this help! on: July 27, 2014, 10:41:42 PM
I agreee with Alchemix. You can't really trust anyone to give you sound investment, as the coins/s they recommend might be coin/s they hold personally, and so benefit from your purchase.

The ideal scenario would be to find someone who will share their expertise with you, without trying to play you. I suggest doing your own research first, and if someone suggests a coin to you, ask yourself why coin x is any better than coin y. Everyone has an agenda. It may be to profit, or it may be something else, but you've got to know enough to know the difference.
471  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 27, 2014, 08:59:44 PM
Thanks2All for advices, here is email I just send them:

Hello Alpha,

1. Well I must say just again, that I'm not a business customer, I'm an individual. Ask MJAkram, your Accounts manager, he understands it , see attached Tax01. You don't even know for what I would use purchased hardware, so the statement "the hardware we are selling can only be used for mining cryptocurrencies which is a business practice according to HMRC" is completely nonsense. What if I use it for science/experimentation purposes?

2. I have no business license, I am a standart consumer and I'm not acting as a business. That's only your fradulent claim. There is NO WHERE in the HMRC does it say that mining cryptocurrencies is only a business activity. HMRC do not classify mining as a business activity, it can be done as an individual and profits treated as a Capital Gain not income. See this:
HMRC identified that all generation of profits from cryptocurrency transactions are taxable as corporate OR personal income tax.  There was not specification that the income generated was specifically corporate tax.  I hope this puts this B#$@#HIT that Fiaz is spouting to rest.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/vat/brief0914.htm

Corporation Tax, Income Tax and Capital Gains Tax treatment of Bitcoin and similar cryptocurrencies
As with any other activity, whether the treatment of income received from, and charges made in connection with, activities involving Bitcoin and other similar cryptocurrencies will be subject to Corporation Tax, Income Tax OR Capital Gains Tax depends on the activities and the parties involved.

Whether any profit or gain is chargeable or any loss is allowable will be looked at on a case-by-case basis taking into account the specific facts. Each case will be considered on the basis of its own individual facts and circumstances. The relevant legislation and case law will be applied to determine the correct tax treatment. Therefore, depending on the facts, a transaction may be so highly speculative that it is not taxable or any losses relievable.. For example gambling or betting wins are not taxable and gambling losses cannot be offset against other taxable profits.
For businesses which accept payment for goods or services in Bitcoin there is no change to when revenue is recognised or how taxable profits are calculated.
Corporation Tax: The profits or losses on exchange movements between currencies are taxable. For the tax treatment of virtual currencies, the general rules on foreign exchange and loan relationships apply. We have not at this stage identified any need to consider bespoke rules.

For companies, exchange movements are determined between the company’s functional currency (usually the currency in which the accounts are prepared) and the other currency in question. If there is an exchange rate between Bitcoin and the functional currency then this analysis applies. Therefore no special tax rules for Bitcoin transactions are required. The profits and losses of a company entering into transactions involving Bitcoin would be reflected in accounts and taxable under normal Corporation Tax rules.

Income Tax: The profits and losses of a non-incorporated business on Bitcoin transactions must be reflected in their accounts and will be taxable on normal income tax rules.

Chargeable gains - Corporation Tax and Capital Gains Tax: If a profit or loss on a currency contract is not within trading profits or otherwise within the loan relationship rules, it would normally be taxable as a chargeable gain or allowable as a loss for Corporation Tax or Capital Gains Tax purposes. Gains and losses incurred on Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies are chargeable or allowable for Capital Gains Tax if they accrue to an individual OR, for Corporation Tax on chargeable gains if they accrue to a company.


3. About the terms - what terms did you fulfiled? The one about updates every week? With video and/or pictures? Or the one about project completion on 15.7.2014 (See the roadmap attachment.)? If you are going to consider your news items as contractual terms, then what about the other terms you are violating??? See the roadmap attachment.

4. There has been UK Citizens Advice Bureau contacted and they clearly explain this about distance orders:
Your rights and obligations
When you enter into a contract with a trader by means of a distance communication (telephone, internet, mail order etc.) you will often have cancellation rights under what is known as the Distance Selling Regulations. These state you are entitled to a written notice confirming the details of your order and the fact you have cancellation rights. If you have been given the notice at the time you place the order, your cancellation rights run from the time of order until  7 working days starting from the day after  you receive the goods. If you have not been provided with this written information, your cancellation rights are extended for up to 3 months and 7 working days. The trader must provide this refund within thirty days.

So as is written in my first email, I did everything according to law and now you have 30 days starting from 21.07.2014 to do a full refund to me.

Kind regards
...............


Their answer was:
Hello there,

We are very sorry but as per our cancellation policy it has been longer
than 5 months since you placed your order therefore you are no longer
eligible for a refund.

Best Regards,

Alpha Technology Team



Which is a predefined reply. They've used it before. They don't even have the courtesy to write a custom response. They only care about what they think they can get away with.
472  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum IPO reboot coming, time to get nervous about the future of crypto on: July 27, 2014, 08:31:45 PM
Too much hype for my tastes. Where's the developers? Where's the news articles?

It all sounds good on paper, but if nobody knows about it, and nobody will use it, your Ether is worth pennies. Perhaps you should speak to some actual developers and find out what they think of Ether, rather than assume developers are somehow going to appear out of thin air to use the platform.

As I've said before, Ethereum is a product that sounds good to investors. Use your damn head.
473  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 27, 2014, 08:14:50 PM
Mebbe we can make a deal with these filthy goat fuckers??? Keep all the money so long as they fuck off back to Bangladesh and free up the air in the UK. I don't want to ever taint my eyeballs seeing names like FIAZ  and MOOKBAR and MOHAMMED and  AKRAM and IQUBALL and ABDUL in the cryptocurrency world ever again. How do we go about getting these pieces of shit deported from modern society??? HEY FAZIZ MALIKFUCKBAR CAN YOU AND YOUR KIN KINDLY FUCK OFF FROM THIS ISLAND OF OURS PLEASE

You know, as much as I think these guys are appalling businessmen. How they lie to their customers, suppress criticism, and flout the law, I don't agree with racism.

They're scum, but they're scum for the way they behave. Not because of where they came from.

Attack them for their behaviour, yes, but that's where it should begin and end. I know there's a lot of hate for these guys, but there's levels we shouldn't sink to.
474  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 【A new Hacking tool | CoinVPN】【BY VPNCOIN TEAM 】 on: July 27, 2014, 07:51:57 PM
Sounds like it just relays your connection through a local proxy server. Nothing ground breaking about it. Proxy services have been around for ages, and afaik, there's nothing illegal about them, except perhaps in more restrictive countries.

Unless it's a truly decentralised proxy system similar to Tor, based on nodes, which would be interesting.
475  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRA] Graincoin - PoW/PoS coin | Fast, secure | Version 1.6.2 Release on: July 27, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
Still holding onto my grains. Keep the coin ticking over. It'll have its day again.
476  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 27, 2014, 03:53:21 PM
Personally, if it were me, I'd be doing whatever I could to legally get my money back, because as each day passes, it's looking more and more like Alpha-T are not going to ever deliver.

I'm amazed they've gotten away with it for this long.
477  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 26, 2014, 05:45:47 PM
The miners are vaporware at this point. No product, no prototype, vague promises of updates, no clarification of what the hell is going on.

By not telling you why there has been a delay, Alpha-T are being outright dishonest. It doesn't take a genius to know they're in trouble, otherwise they'd be more forthcoming with news.

Their silence is their response.
478  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will EXO destroy Nxt, NEM, Node aka java crap? on: July 25, 2014, 02:25:42 PM
Java is used quite often in the business industry. You can't argue for a coin's success or failure based on the programming platform, especially when Java and C++ are concerned.

Yes for websites/ games whatever. But you would not create a worldwide decentralized monetary system in java. I bet some school kids put it together after class and put it on bitcointalk as a joke. Too bad some people took it seriously.

C++ = Master Race

Java = Peasants


Enjoy your crap while it lasts because all of those java crap coins will die once people are introduced to EXO (Master Race). Finally I can enjoy military grade security for my investment UNLIKE Nxt. I haven't slept for months thinking someone is going to hack my insecure Nxt account.

Sounds like FUD to me. Java is 2nd most popular language in the world, 2 places above C++;

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

You can attack the coin, but the platform it's on when comparing the two is utterly irrelevant.
479  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will EXO destroy Nxt, NEM, Node aka java crap? on: July 25, 2014, 01:47:47 PM
Java is used quite often in the business industry. You can't argue for a coin's success or failure based on the programming platform, especially when Java and C++ are concerned.
480  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! on: July 25, 2014, 01:14:17 PM
You know, it always bothered me that Dexcel 'cut ties' because of the 'bad news' being spread. All the bad news BFL and KNC got, and foundries had no issues working with them publicly.

Makes you wonder if the foundry cut ties with them for some other reason... lack of payment?

Dexcel are a manufacturer. Alpha-T played the Dexcel card to re-assure customers they were the real deal, and then due to poor communication by worried customers who had spent a lot of money, got harassed. So who's to blame here really? Alpha-T's lack of communication is appalling.

This is also just what we know. There may have been other problems which Dexcel had with Alpha-T we aren't aware of.
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