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1121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 25, 2014, 09:00:45 PM


But you're missing the details.

How is the anonymity handled? Is it permanently obscured such that there's no proof of payment to either parties involved ever, does it allow the transaction to be viewed by a third party/anyone in the future in some way that can be demanded in a court of law?

If a regulator were to want my financial information right now, they'd get the information from my bank. Key point here is that they need the bank's consent, which is given by law .. and as I'm not in outright revolt right now I'd have to say that mine is given as well Smiley

If a regulator were to want my financial information with bitcoin, they'd type in blockchain.info and cross reference any of my previous wallet addresses they have. Key difference here is that once anyone has my address, they immediately can find out any information about me, and that my address is something I share with everyone, not just my bank. Bitcoin might be anonymous enough right now in July 2014, but what happens when people actually start using it? It's an unknown - and I can paint an ugly picture here, or a pretty one. One case involves everyone you share your wallet address (in order to receive payment) with knowing all your finances - something I don't intend to do ever .. and one is where magically everyone doesn't look up everyone's wallet addresses on blockchain.info. Tell me which one's a more likely scenario?

If a regulator were to want my financial information with a cryptonote coin, that's still a grey area. I could paint a pretty picture where banks somehow manifest to keep your digital information secure, where they hold your wallet and viewkeys, and share it whenever needed .. or can tell you they could pass regulation demanding you share your view key on demand (which still must be given under some form of consent or theft) .. or whatever story you'd like to hear. The point here is that it's an unknown, which does not make it illegal at all. That unknown can be answered in the future, but nobody can tell you how it's going to play out. Being worried about people's attention should be the least of your worries, when you're taking the next step into a bright new frontier.

If a regulator were to want my financial information with a coinjoin coin, I can immediately tell that it could cost them a lot of needless dollars (if they were so inclined to invest them) because the only implementation that's similar and I'm a little familiar with involves masternodes. To have proof-of-payment from those would take a lot of resources (but can be done) .. which will only serve to raise your taxes when more computers are put into place to track your every move anyways. But again, they could just demand you present your financial ledgers in a court of law.

I'm not seeing how fearing if it's going to be banned should stunt your attempt to get it banned in the first place. What is there to ban here? Clearly the tendency has been to regulate and not ban, so if anything it would seem like that would be the route taken.

You're quite naive if you think that Monero is truly anonymous. The reality is that real anonymity is impossible, for now anyway. The best you can hope to achieve is privacy.
1122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | RC4 Testing on: July 25, 2014, 08:31:26 PM
Bitcoin can copy everything Darkcoin does if it's really worth it

ROTFL

Bitcoin hard fork. ROTFL
Even Litecoin is unwilling to hard fork. Bitcoin wouldn't hard fork unless it was to solve security flaws or something along those lines.
1123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ::::::: The Great Pumper - Rpietila ::::::: on: July 24, 2014, 05:31:34 PM
Shhhh after a long time we have a Litecoin like PnD and people will not let it be  Roll Eyes

In any case, I think the right CN coin to pump is Boolberry.  Cool
Boolberry is such a bad name marketingwise Monero is much better.
Names can be changed, I'd worry more about development.
1124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | RC4 Testing on: July 24, 2014, 01:29:44 AM
This is going to sound stupid, but lets see.

Q. Can you use DarkSend+ to send messages?  Instead of mixing coins, can you mix letters from a small message, like an address, and recompile them at the other end?

I can't see why not...

Great.

Q. Can you merge mine with Darkcoin a second anonymous PoW system - one does coins, one does short messages?

edit

for those smart enough to figure out how to do it, Ev - cough - an, that's a a little extra in fees for master nodes for also delivering the mail.

What advantage does 'mining' messages have over pgp? I don't want to be running three GPU's to send a private email.

And Darksend+ has a pretty limited 'alphabet,' that's kind of the whole reason it works - every transaction/transaction group looks exactly the same to any observing third party.

You could have an easier to use wallet feature (it's pretty much already there) - send secure msg for a tiny fee to nodes/miners, but it wouldn't need any merged mining, just encryption - send it like any other transaction and nobody will be able to trace it.

It's a very under-utilised feature of the existing codebase, don't see why it couldn't be extended to send more than just text...
I don't think we should go that way, it's a liability.
1125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 23, 2014, 07:13:25 PM
Might as well rename Poloniex to Moneroex, as everything else has almost no volume.

160BTC is not 'no volume'
Closer to 77 BTC. Second biggest thing is XCP with 13.7, which is laughable.
1126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 23, 2014, 06:42:07 PM
Might as well rename Poloniex to Moneroex, as everything else has almost no volume.
1127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ducknote vs monero - what does the future hold? on: July 23, 2014, 05:29:33 PM
Ducknote is clearly #1.
1128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: July 23, 2014, 04:08:21 PM
Terms of ether sale:

https://www.ethereum.org/pdfs/TermsAndConditionsOfTheEthereumGenesisSale.pdf

clause 19.9

Risk that Ethereum Platform May Never be Completed or Released.

Purchaser understands, that while Ethereum Team will make reasonable efforts to complete the Ethereum
software, it is possible that an official completed version of the Ethereum Platform may not be released
and there may never be an operational Ethereum Platform.  Undecided

This is poor form.

I see, raise money and put as many out clauses as possible, that will inspire confidence!

I'm sure they will deliver, but I never expected such legal manipulation from the Ethereum team.


To be fair, there are things like this and much, much worse in most EULAs that people click through.  Not saying this isn't a cause for concern, but it's just as likely that
the team had a lawyer draw up the EULA and something like that isn't really suprising.

Law is about balance, especially when it comes to situations that are not as clear cut as your average contract.

This EULA sounds like it was written by your standard lawyer who will cover his clients every possible outcome without regard to any possible fallout due to the EULA being too biased.

A smarter lawyer would discuss with their client about potential clauses that can cover them but that could backfire due to being not in the clients customers interest at all.

Not all lawyers see things in such a dull manner and understand that some terms are going to be politically sensitive and need review.

This clause should have been left out, with regard to how many scams the Bitcoin community has undergone. I personally have lost hundreds of Bitcoin to scams. If the Ethereum team fail to launch a working system we need the ability to face them in court. This forces them to work for the money we are sending them.

This lawyer did not understand the complex matter of the current Bitcoin investment climate.
These are the terms being offered. Don't like it, don't invest. Even with such open ended terms, they're going to get thousands upon thousands of Bitcoin.
1129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 22, 2014, 10:57:07 PM
Especially the guy who owns a dilapidated castle in Estonia.
1130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 22, 2014, 10:54:52 PM
I kind of want Bytecoin or Boolberry to become the dominant CN coin, just to see the arrogant Monero proponents get a comeuppance.
1131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BBR] Boolberry: Privacy and Security - Guaranteed [ Bittrex/Poloniex ] on: July 22, 2014, 05:29:48 PM
Was it decided that Boolberry will be the permanent name?
1132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Poll] What anonymous coin will succed? on: July 22, 2014, 04:18:12 PM
Darkcoin will prevail.
1133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 21, 2014, 12:40:53 AM
I remember looking at a graph that showed the blockchain size vs time. Can anyone tell me where to find it?
http://monerochain.info/charts/bcsize
Thanks
1134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 21, 2014, 12:27:39 AM
I remember looking at a graph that showed the blockchain size vs time. Can anyone tell me where to find it?
1135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which altcoins will match Bitcoin in price (1:1) in a few years? on: July 21, 2014, 12:24:27 AM
It would be more useful to ask which will match it in marketcap, and the answer is none. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional (for the few years timeline mentioned by the OP).
1136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]ZeroCoin[ZERO] - first sha256/scrypt/x11 PoW/PoS coin with zerocash support on: July 19, 2014, 01:50:19 PM
Is the Zerocoin implementation trustless?
1137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 19, 2014, 12:00:53 PM

Implications for DRK?
     

NY State Virtual Currency Regulations.

I get paid fiat to give a view on stuff like this, and this is my view on stuff like this for free.

Quote
No Licensee shall engage in, facilitate, or knowingly allow the transfer or transmission of Virtual Currency when such action will obfuscate the identity of an individual customer or counterparty. Nothing in this Section, however, shall be construed to require a Licensee to make available to the general public the fact or nature of the movement of Virtual Currency by individual customers or counterparties.
p.26

Requiring data, including identifiable data, to be made available to the general public, e.g. on a block chain, is not to be constrained by regulations.

Data about transactions is required. The parties involved in a transaction using the services of regulated businesses or those deemed to require regulations, i.e. they are acting illegally if they do not register, are required to obtain details about transactions. But those details need not be made public.

Dat right there is privacy that encompasses Darkcoin. No identifiable information on the block chain, yet parties to transactions are still required to identify themselves if going through businesses.


Some T&Cs businesses have to tell customers:

Quote
transactions in Virtual Currency are generally irreversible, and, accordingly, losses due to fraudulent or accidental transactions may not be recoverable;
p.35

If you execute a transaction, you may not see the money again. Transactions can be irreversible.  I.e. if you use eCash, you can't get your money back, caveat emptor.

DRK is not going to be bound by regulations. Those businesses that use DRK just have to comply with kYC, know your customer, rules. Just as they do today.


http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/press2014/pr1407171-vc.pdf

To da moon


1138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 18, 2014, 10:36:52 PM
Honestly, I can't wait for asics. Multipools are annoying.
1139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero (MRO) Speculation thread on: July 18, 2014, 09:27:26 PM
No matter who wins the CN wars, laughing at the losers will be fun.

Do you know the feeling of victory? It looks you're a master of bad decisions, because you're supporting this crowd.
I bought DRK when it was less than 10 cents a coin. I think I know what victory feels like.
1140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 18, 2014, 07:11:08 PM
PoS in general is trash. I don't take any coins that use it seriously.
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