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Stupid or naive, which one are you? First of all, no current technology provides 100% anonymity. You are always one of x individuals, so any anonymity is probabalistic at best. Second, your ip , numbnuts. Blockchain anonymity is rendered meaningless if your ip isn't obfuscated. Finally, do not underestimate "big brother". Your hardware has backdoors, so if you are doing something you shouldn't be, something as silly as Bytecoin won't save your ass.
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Darkcoin provides a sufficiently high amount of privacy for the vast majority of users. For criminals, money laundering , etc, no solution will ever suffice. You are seriously naive if you think CN will stand up to serious investigation by powerful entities.
yeah just like pirating software right? Powerful entities always lag. And no unlike wonderful american movies they cant always do whatever they want. Of course one day it may be vulnerable. But it is the step for something even better... Darkcoin is just absolutely easy to break...The more difficult you make it for someone to break it the better... As for the software and hardware backdoors, yeah not exackly everything have backdoors. A serious man chooses seriously what he uses. And backdoors arent exackly so easy to be used by powerful entities because of even more serious political implications... Would you install a 2000 pound bracket onto your car if it made it harder for someone to break in? Nothing is NSA proof. Darkcoin is a practical solution for privacy minded individuals. CN is an over the top "solution" that gives a false sense of security. As for the backdoors, your computer has a cpu right? Game over. |
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Darkcoin provides a sufficiently high amount of privacy for the vast majority of users. For criminals, money laundering , etc, no solution will ever suffice. You are seriously naive if you think CN will stand up to serious investigation by powerful entities.
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I repeat: And this still doesn't solve the issue where a masternode can simply record it's in's and out's and thus un-anonymising the transactions.
What good would only half the information do? A powerful, malicious entity could potentially purchase a large # of masternodes and try to match transactions, but no (currently public) technology would do any better in the end. You just admitted that DRK is centralized and Masternodes are vulnerable to attack. Trustless CryptoNote protocol makes DRK tech obsolete. The CryptoNote protocol makes itself obsolete. I seriously doubt it's going anywhere beyond proof of concept. Anonymint explained how CN bloat CANNOT be solved. Either you use mix setting 0-1 and get no bloat, no anonymity, or you use the higher settings to get massive bloat and anonymity. Because of the way that denomination works, massive bloat is unavoidable. Period. Your coin will never be anything except a demonstration that CN provides anonymity at the cost of unworkable bloat. Enjoy. Vulnerable to attack? You realize that your hardware and software have backdoors, right? The sort of entity that could actually attack Darkcoin would have no problem attacking any CN coin. |
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Another thing about Monero, why invest in a clone? Bytecoin was the first CN coin. Cue whining because you weren't there to mine at the beginning.
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I repeat: And this still doesn't solve the issue where a masternode can simply record it's in's and out's and thus un-anonymising the transactions.
What good would only half the information do? A powerful, malicious entity could potentially purchase a large # of masternodes and try to match transactions, but no (currently public) technology would do any better in the end. |
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If XC Rev 2.0 delivers what it says it will, then I have to say that one takes the lead by a fair amount. Having a trustless system that comes built in with every wallet will make their entire network anon, and 100% decentralized. I'm not sure how everything else that is centralized or even semi-decentralized can compete with that. It's not really possible to make anon any better within the network itself. Another different option for anon is cross chain trading which BlackHalo now offers because in that case you'll just end up with dead ends on both chains that have no connection between the two.
Also, on DRK is it just me or does Masternode 2 know both the sender and receiver in their most recent flow diagram? I was under the impression that "random change addresses" are still tied to your personal private key.
It has no way of knowing that those change addresses are tied to any other address. |
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Like darlidida said, every Cryptonote coin, no matter how bad the name or crappy the dev, is better than Darkcoin, simply because they already deliver anonymity by default, while Darkcoin doesn't.
The market disagrees with you as the DRK market cap exceeds all CN coins combined. This reflects the fact that CN coins are struggling with crippling problems. They have not yet been tested under even moderate transaction volumes. Until these issues are fixed, they'll continue to be very anonymous in the sense that no one will be hearing about them. |
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Also, the data that moves between masternodes will be encrypted, making Darksend trustless.
Trustless in the sense that your transactions cannot be unmasked through masternode owner collusion.
That does not follow from link encryption. Maybe I'm mistaken on encryption being the way its done, but the Dark developer stated that it's being worked on. This is exactly why DRK is over priced : people are investing money into a coin whose proposal value is a work in progress. This is why XMR has such a potential growth : it only lacks what DRK already has : user friendliness and marketing. I really feel for DRK supporters because they are being scammed out of their precious bitcoins and they dont even know about it. Another part of me thinks they deserve it because we've been calling it for what it is for a long time now. Monero is just as much a work in progress until it gets ip obfuscation. Your argument doesn't make sense because it applies to all CN coins. |
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Also, the data that moves between masternodes will be encrypted, making Darksend trustless.
Trustless in the sense that your transactions cannot be unmasked through masternode owner collusion.
That does not follow from link encryption. Maybe I'm mistaken on encryption being the way its done, but the Dark developer stated that it's being worked on. |
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Drawingthesun, so through massive collusion there may be a chance of unmasking transactions. The reality is that you're naive to think CN would hide you from such an entity. They already have backdoors in your hardware/firmware, so isn't it a moot point? If they were really willing to put in the effort to deanonymize certain transactions, you can rest assured that no perfect solution exists. Darkcoin affords a high degree of privacy, which is sufficient for the majority of people looking for "anonymous" transactions.
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Fast? Hilarious. I'll check back in a year, and I doubt that it'll be ready for prime time even then. You are the one who is misinformed if you think Monero is even close to being even usable. Interesting. I have moved lots of Monero around and run into no issues at all. I see, you're not misinformed, you're the one trying to misinform. I will remember you as a liar. Who cares if you can use it? I'm assuming that you have cryptocurrency knowledge. If your coin can't be used by a moron, how do you expect it to go mainstream? Incase you didnt know, Monero, Boolberry, Bytecoin, they all have GUI wallets. Maybe you should go and use them instead of making up lies. Darkcoin "fanboys" should never try to hate on other coins, cause the amount of deceit Darkcoin has gone through, is unbelievable. Darkcoin's own devs freaking instamined their coin 50%... Just saunter on over to the respective threads of each of those coins and watch the incessant barrage of crippling issues that people deal with on a daily basis. It makes for good comedy. Hmm, I recall that Darkcoin forked multiple times when it first tried going into RC3, then it tried a second time...and Failed again. You shouldn't be talking about issues Lmfao. The fork caused issues for a few hours. Your coin(s) are an issue unto themselves. So far, Monero and Boolberry's bloating problem has been solved, through eliminating dust from the pools. That was the main issue. Darkcoin's issue, is the 50% instamine, the centralization of Masternodes through one entity in the future, and the name Darkcoin, which is and will always be affiliated with Dark activities. There's also how Darkcoin anonymity is a joke compared to others, because it uses coinjoin. and Much more, It's kind of funny, that you resort to lying BrilliantRocket to protect your asset, Darkcoin. You are the one who is lying if you can't admit that CN denomination causes massive bloat. |
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Also, the data that moves between masternodes will be encrypted, making Darksend trustless.
Encryption -> Trustless  How? DRK supporters are unreliable  DRK is over-hyped Trustless in the sense that your transactions cannot be unmasked through masternode owner collusion. |
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Fast? Hilarious. I'll check back in a year, and I doubt that it'll be ready for prime time even then. You are the one who is misinformed if you think Monero is even close to being even usable. Interesting. I have moved lots of Monero around and run into no issues at all. I see, you're not misinformed, you're the one trying to misinform. I will remember you as a liar. Who cares if you can use it? I'm assuming that you have cryptocurrency knowledge. If your coin can't be used by a moron, how do you expect it to go mainstream? Incase you didnt know, Monero, Boolberry, Bytecoin, they all have GUI wallets. Maybe you should go and use them instead of making up lies. Darkcoin "fanboys" should never try to hate on other coins, cause the amount of deceit Darkcoin has gone through, is unbelievable. Darkcoin's own devs freaking instamined their coin 50%... Just saunter on over to the respective threads of each of those coins and watch the incessant barrage of crippling issues that people deal with on a daily basis. It makes for good comedy. Hmm, I recall that Darkcoin forked multiple times when it first tried going into RC3, then it tried a second time...and Failed again. You shouldn't be talking about issues Lmfao. The fork caused issues for a few hours. Your coin(s) are an issue unto themselves. It will take months and months of development effort to bring them to something that can be considered a beta. |
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Fast? Hilarious. I'll check back in a year, and I doubt that it'll be ready for prime time even then. You are the one who is misinformed if you think Monero is even close to being even usable. Interesting. I have moved lots of Monero around and run into no issues at all. I see, you're not misinformed, you're the one trying to misinform. I will remember you as a liar. Who cares if you can use it? I'm assuming that you have extensive cryptocurrency knowledge. If your coin can't be used by a moron, how do you expect it to go mainstream? Bitcoin can't be used by a moron at the moment. You need a reality check. Considering that I've taught people that are computer illiterate how to use Bitcoin, I'd disagree. |
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Fast? Hilarious. I'll check back in a year, and I doubt that it'll be ready for prime time even then. You are the one who is misinformed if you think Monero is even close to being even usable. Interesting. I have moved lots of Monero around and run into no issues at all. I see, you're not misinformed, you're the one trying to misinform. I will remember you as a liar. Who cares if you can use it? I'm assuming that you have cryptocurrency knowledge. If your coin can't be used by a moron, how do you expect it to go mainstream? Incase you didnt know, Monero, Boolberry, Bytecoin, they all have GUI wallets. Maybe you should go and use them instead of making up lies. Darkcoin "fanboys" should never try to hate on other coins, cause the amount of deceit Darkcoin has gone through, is unbelievable. Darkcoin's own devs freaking instamined their coin 50%... Just saunter on over to the respective threads of each of those coins and watch the incessant barrage of crippling issues that people deal with on a daily basis. It makes for good comedy. |
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Darkcoin FUD:
I already explained to you in another thread that masternodes will be trustless through encrypted data. Darkcoin made serious improvements to Coinjoin, Gmaxwell's comments refer to the old version. Point number 4 is abject bullshit because there are already users of Darkcoin who are not criminals. Also I'm glad if the devs have alot of Darkcoin. I wouldn't support the project if they didn't. The coinjoin concept is trustless by default. How does encrypting data make a difference? You seriously have no idea what you are talking about. If the data is unencrypted, and an entity owned a large number of nodes, they may be able to unmask a small % of transactions. Encryption solves this issue. |
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Fast? Hilarious. I'll check back in a year, and I doubt that it'll be ready for prime time even then. You are the one who is misinformed if you think Monero is even close to being even usable. Interesting. I have moved lots of Monero around and run into no issues at all. I see, you're not misinformed, you're the one trying to misinform. I will remember you as a liar. Who cares if you can use it? I'm assuming that you have extensive cryptocurrency knowledge. If your coin can't be used by a moron, how do you expect it to go mainstream? |
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Darkcoin FUD:
I already explained to you in another thread that masternodes will be trustless through encrypted data. There will be no way for masternode owners to unmask transactions through collusion. Darkcoin made serious improvements to Coinjoin, Gmaxwell's comments refer to the old version. Point number 4 is abject bullshit because there are already users of Darkcoin who are not criminals. Also I'm glad if the devs have alot of Darkcoin. I wouldn't support the project if they didn't. |
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What's the prize? They're both dead on arrival. Bloat bloat bloat.
The pool bloat is now over, the Monero chain grows about 40mb per week. This is a good deal for an anonymous coin. So it's not "bloat, bloat, bloat". Do some research and you'll be smarter for it. It seems to me that before entering a race, your vehicle should at least be able to move. Adaptive block sizing means right now it's hard to get money around in XMR chain because it is saturated. However, over the next hour the blockchain will expand its blocksize and this will be less of an issue. Please wait for your tx to be included in the blockchain.
Just wait for your tx to be included. That'll work well. You guys are a riot. Except we are moving, and fast. You're either misinformed or just spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt. Fast? Hilarious. I'll check back in a year, and I doubt that it'll be ready for prime time even then. You are the one who is misinformed if you think Monero is even close to being even usable. |
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