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2261  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinfire Bitstamp update on: January 05, 2015, 07:01:48 PM
Bitstamp covering all the losses is not going to be enough. Traders are still going to withdraw all their coins. Bitstamp will have to find out where the leak is and fix it. Once they fixed it, perform a full system audit, confidence can return.

I said above. these things will takes months and BitStamp won't afford(because they don't want to lose any cent) to cover the losses and to keep the company expenses.

Bitstamp credibility is zero at this point. No update since 12 hours ago. They didn't understand that they are playing with people's money not with bricks.

Their customers must ask the money back by bank wire. Their bank account is STILL functional.
Almost all their BTC must be backed in real money, right?
I would ask the money today not tomorrow.
2262  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinfire Bitstamp update on: January 05, 2015, 06:56:05 PM
Doesn't Coinbase use Bitstamp in some way to process things for them?


yes, they are partially interconnected. same as Bitfinex.
2263  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: What percentage of their coins stuck at Bitstamp will customers get back? on: January 05, 2015, 06:42:45 PM
ask your money back.

Bitstamp has most of the money in their bank account. All their BTC must be backed by real money so, ask your money back asap.

Their bank will freeze their account in the following days.
2264  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp - hot wallet problem on: January 05, 2015, 06:18:31 PM
this is insane  Shocked . why does this keep happening? I guess history repeats itself

Because most of these exchangers are ran by amateurs, hipters who thinks about their self that they are GODS.
That's why these things are happening. Look to their behavior. They think that they are a corporation; same as Mtgox or Moolah.

Look here : http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e63_1404777061   Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob9Ak1t09Ao

This is a common behavior for almost all these "exchangers". They are "busy" people, full of the word's problems.Nobody can understand what  burden they carry but in essence they are some kids who saw a lot of money in their hands. Smiley

They are full of vanity....they know better than anyone how the "things" are in the financial industry even they have 25 years old.
They create "scripts" on  knees and saying "it's the best"  even they only tested for 1-2 weeks.

A real software it's tested for months and even so you cannot declare it as safe.
 That's why all the hacks are happening. The greed and vanity will bring down all these so called exchangers.

Unfortunately, their clients will pay the bill.
2265  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp - hot wallet problem on: January 05, 2015, 06:10:48 PM
Bitstamp have been manipulating the price for 12 months.. More bullshit to drive down the price.


I agree with you. They are manipulating the market and not only Bitstamp but another 4-5 big exchangers.

2266  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [BITSTAMP] Hot wallet problems, stop making bitcoin deposits IMMEDIATELY on: January 05, 2015, 04:59:12 PM
ask the money back from Bitstamp.
Almost all their BTC should be backed by real money (USD or EURO). these money are into their bank account.

they "lose" the BTC but the real money will remain to them if you will accept the "loss".
Most of their money are coming from bank deposits not  direct BTC transfers.

So, ask your money back by bank wire asap. Their bank will froze the account shortly.
2267  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitstamp issues statement and temporarily suspends service on: January 05, 2015, 04:56:08 PM
ask the money back from Bitstamp.
Almost all their BTC should be backed by real money (USD or EURO). these money are into their bank account.

they "lose" the BTC but the real money will remain to them if you will accept the "loss".
So, ask your money back by bank wire asap. Their bank will froze the account shortly.
2268  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitstamp issues statement and temporarily suspends service on: January 05, 2015, 04:39:01 PM
how did you calculate this "small" balance? it's around of 5 MIL USD.

How much does have Bitstamp? 50 MIL? Let's get real. Smiley

Even so, Bitstamp MUST have these money in bank, right? I think most of these money came from bank deposits.
2269  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitstamp issues statement and temporarily suspends service on: January 05, 2015, 04:27:08 PM
Bitstamp lost 18K BTC. https://blockchain.info/address/1L2JsXHPMYuAa9ugvHGLwkdstCPUDemNCf


sell your Bitcoin. the price will go DOWN ......!!!!

Here is the main cold wallet of Bitstamp: https://blockchain.info/address/1JoktQJhCzuCQkt3GnQ8Xddcq4mUgNyXEa

From the earliest transaction of the address: https://blockchain.info/tx/8f1d3a8ef6b2d4a25d2f499279e01518b4770819ccbc39a765c4c326170c61b3

the source addresses and destination address are all cold wallets of Bitstamp.  The total amount of these cold wallets are about 200K.

The 18k BTC lost is about 10% of total reserve of Bitstamp.

it is NOT Bitstamp reserve. it's the CLIENT's money.
2270  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin in 2015: Your Predictions on: January 05, 2015, 04:23:05 PM
you should say "thanks" if it would be  1 BTC = 100 USD
2271  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinfire Bitstamp update on: January 05, 2015, 04:19:54 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=912895.msg10023411#msg10023411

"A couple of exchanges will fail either due to regulations or fraud/incompetence of the owner."

One down 13 to go.

how did you count 13? Smiley

You're right, it should be more. I need one more exchange to make "a couple".

Vircurex is good enough? Smiley
2272  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinfire Bitstamp update on: January 05, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=912895.msg10023411#msg10023411

"A couple of exchanges will fail either due to regulations or fraud/incompetence of the owner."

One down 13 to go.

how did you count 13? Smiley
2273  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinfire Bitstamp update on: January 05, 2015, 03:50:45 PM
They should publish a text explaining what's happening

explaining what? WE didn't care about you, fouls? Smiley

BitStamp is down for sure. why? they have two options:

1. they cover the loss but their credibility will be almost zero anyway.who will deposit money into a former hacked system? maybe in time...but time is money and i am sure Bitstamp won't resist on market with all their monthly expenses which are not small at all.

2. they close the business and keep the rest of the money. very simple to do it.



option one is not always true.

for example c-cex.com lost all his btc in march 2014, but right now is more alive than ever.
If they can recover all the btc, and prove that they will improve security, they can survive

I agree. this is what I said too. it takes time(months, maybe a year) until you regain the trust. Bitstamp has a lot of expenses. it's hard to keep a company with zero money....
2274  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinfire Bitstamp update on: January 05, 2015, 03:48:44 PM
Bitstamp lost 18K BTC. https://blockchain.info/address/1L2JsXHPMYuAa9ugvHGLwkdstCPUDemNCf

that means around of 4,8 MIL. USD

what's next? Bitcoin price will go down....

After the price crash, this is another blow to Bitcoin.  Sad  Bitstamp fucked up, but what can I believe now? Cold wallet,maybe.

CEO is in vegas as we speak

is he opening a strip club? alas magikarpa muffin shop?

hahaha, yes, he is in a middle of lap dance while someone is breaking his "house". you see, the owners are two "kids" who are thinking they are Gods just because they made millions from their clients.
next time, be more careful to whom you entrust your money.

More than that, there are rumors their bank account will be frozen.
2275  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitstamp issues statement and temporarily suspends service on: January 05, 2015, 03:43:48 PM
it is very curious that the Bitcoin price didn't fall YET.

normally, any real "stock" market would have reacted until now. the "players" would have sold...I think Bitcoin foundation is not strange of this.
2276  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [BITSTAMP] Hot wallet problems, stop making bitcoin deposits IMMEDIATELY on: January 05, 2015, 03:39:08 PM

Isn't that just the cold wallet address that they moved all their deposits to.

I don't think anybody stole 18,000 coins from Bitstamp.


why not?Smiley

wouldn't do it if you would have access to their "wallets"? Smiley)

we are talking about almost 5 MIL USD. you can retire on any island you want with these money and you can live like a kind for all your life
2277  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinfire Bitstamp update on: January 05, 2015, 03:36:16 PM
agree with you, this is what I stated above.
2278  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinfire Bitstamp update on: January 05, 2015, 03:28:59 PM
They should publish a text explaining what's happening

explaining what? WE didn't care about you, fouls? Smiley

BitStamp is down for sure. why? they have two options:

1. they cover the loss but their credibility will be almost zero anyway.who will deposit money into a former hacked system? maybe in time...but time is money and i am sure Bitstamp won't resist on market with all their monthly expenses which are not small at all.

2. they close the business and keep the rest of the money. very simple to do it.

2279  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinfire Bitstamp update on: January 05, 2015, 03:23:44 PM
What would gox 2.0 do to bitcoin?  Grin

18k < 650k , its still a ton though why do they need 18k coins in a hot wallet do people really withdraw that much in a few days lets say?

because they think they are GODS and nothing bad can happen to them. they think that they are beyond monkeys like "us"...

They are just two kids(owners) who are running/playing the people's money.

Of course, their clients have their own fault. They must make their due diligence before making any investment.
2280  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp Deposit Bug on: January 05, 2015, 03:16:26 PM
Bitstamp lost 18K BTC. https://blockchain.info/address/1L2JsXHPMYuAa9ugvHGLwkdstCPUDemNCf

that means around of 4,8 MIL. USD

what's next? Bitcoin price will go down....
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