Payza removed Virtex from his list of Cryptocurrency Trading Platforms. A little late but better late than never  Good job Payza!!!! Payza is the same as Egopay(same owners). Egopay owned Virtex  Payza removed Virtex in order to not be associated with them |
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Paste here okapay assistenze response
Hello.
Unfortunately, it is not possible to retrieve already sent payment in OKPAY as e-currency is non-reversible. You need to contact the receiver of funds and ask him to transfer the money back to you.
Thank you for cooperation
OKpay = selective scammers. they took advantage of this situation. OKPAY = Mayzus = russian gang. Avoid them in the future. |
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Congratulations! (And thanks for letting the rest of us know).
Unfortunately in my case I deposited BTC directly to both Virtex and to EgoPay so the only way I can get my money back is through the actions of those two "companies" directly.
Also, out of curiosity:
Did you have to do anything special, like write a lot to Payza or pressure them, or get the authorities involved?
Or did it just happen automatically?
Payza owners do not want to make waves. They are involved in the Egopay project(in fact, they are the owners), that guy Tdas was only a puppet. |
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... a statement from Mr. Garza in August of 2014. Mr. Garza stated that a percentage of the profits for ZenPool came from “day trading.” The fact that he stated it was from day trading created a situation in which, according to various securities laws, makes it a security. So the ZenPool is not a mining pool? It's a "day trading" fund! I have never understood their Paycoin. Why deviate from what they were doing well before (mining) and introduce this Paycoin thing and created a media crisis and now investigations by the SEC. Most likely greed happened. You reap what you sow as they say. the greed ruins any business in the end. |
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The solution is in the article itself: Another counter-measure would be to strictly not use any address more often than once.
Also the following statement in the article is endorsed by Captain Obvious: there is only one conclusion to draw from this
problem: Users cannot trust any implementation of ECDSA or Bitcoin, which they cannot fully verify
And "Easily" is very subjective. How easy is it to compromise a cold storage wallet? -> If the answer is easy then you're doing it wrong tm. the answer is "easy" when you know what you are doing. |
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I think we need a decentralized exchange , for trade directly buyer <> seller without any intermediary (like bitsquare).
explain how that would be possible when dealing with fiat. He didn't think when he wrote that. forgive him ! |
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The price is right, so today I transfered money to Bitstamp and tomorrow I will buy Bitcoin again! As Zhou Tonged said before their video was taken down, Price Down, Pick up! With everything happening in the bitcoin space plus price being ridiculously low, I ones again for the first time in over a year is buying. Just wanted to let you know about my optimism  Do you still trust Bitstamp at this point? I would withdrawn all BTC as soon as possible after operating. Unless you are a daytrader imo don't leave a single satoshi in any exchange. Even Andreas has been saying this for ages. What? If you're not safe to store your money in a Slovenian bitcoin exchanger, where can you store your money!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-YPZdZD-0ALOL. good one ! He is right |
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Thanks for info. I certainly disapprove, but I sure understand. how do you disapprove? only with words or without using anymore a such exchanger? |
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What many BTC fanatics does not want to see is that there are only 4-5 BIG exchangers.
These exchangers are making exchanges between them(offline). You will never see them trading between them "online"(in public).
ALL the little exchangers are using the big ones in order to process their BTC.
So, there are is a strong relationship between them. The big exchangers(including Bitfinex) see things normal traders cannot, like hidden orders, the size of everyone's accounts, the open margin positions of accounts, exact trading activity of each user, how much USD is flowing into and out of the exchange....
SEC defines insider trading as any securities transaction made when the person behind the trade is aware of nonpublic material information, and is hence violating his or her dutyto maintain confidentiality of such knowledge.
A person is liable of insider trading when he or she has acted on privileged knowledge in the attempt to make a profit.
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if "you" say that it is possible only because the defense's mention Mark Karpeles as being "the pirate" then you have to say that the defense's mention of Mark Karpeles's ownership of the site Bitcointalk.org too |
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... a statement from Mr. Garza in August of 2014. Mr. Garza stated that a percentage of the profits for ZenPool came from “day trading.” The fact that he stated it was from day trading created a situation in which, according to various securities laws, makes it a security. So the ZenPool is not a mining pool? It's a "day trading" fund! I have never understood their Paycoin. Why deviate from what they were doing well before (mining) and introduce this Paycoin thing and created a media crisis and now investigations by the SEC. This is will bring another BAD press for Bitcoin very soon. |
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Miners are the reason bitcoin are getting into the chain at the first place, how;s that killing, isn't that the opposite?
The problem supposedly is that currently there are too many miners operating in marginally profitable conditions and allegedly dumping coins on the market. Well the mining ecosystem was designed to be a closed-loop feedback system with an inherent lag. Anyone who has studied control engineering will understand what is happening now. Eventually some miners will bail out and close shop and there may be less dumping of coins. I say may, because I don't really believe it is the miners doing the dumping. I am a small miner myself, with just under 50 TH/s and I have not sold a single coin since November. imagine that your are a miner with a lot of BTC and you close your shop. what will you do? will you keep the useless BTC or will you cash it out as soon as possible? Yes, you will cash it out because it's a about a lot of money. In end, the money are better in a bank then in a "cold storage" from where it can disappear overnight |
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"Moral of the story - to the founders, congratulations, you defrauded, and continue to defraud, tens of thousands of people who I'm sure thought they were very clever and ahead of the game (usually the dumbest people in the room). And to the bagholders - I won't say it's not too late, because at this point liquidating any bitcoin volume in any meaningful significance will lock up the remaining "market" and lead to an instant crash or more likely simply the termination of "market" function in totality. But you can resolve today to put your savings in actual assets valued in actual money, money backed by hundreds of trillions of physical assets, enforcement agencies, and transparent, fraud resisting systems that are continuously improved day by day. You've been victimized, but you can learn from your mistakes and make sure other friends and family are not defrauded by cyber criminals and ponzi pumpers. Cheers!" very true ! |
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This is an apparition I have beheld many times. Laziness in speech and communication. How many times might people agree if they spoke accurately or even shared a similar definition for a word. I have the same problem in my marriage.
Please, lazy idiots, read about Ponzi (a garbage human that inhabited this earth) and spend as much time as you need with a pencil (or crayon) figuring out the similarity of Ponzi with bitcoin.
call it bubble full of drug dealears, hackers, speculators and few "dreamers" total - around of 500K users ONLY |
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Cloud mining = ponzi and all of them will be closed. and how about such sites as bit-x or cex.io cex.io = closed bit-x = a "game" from China If they have the spare capacity... Why aren't "they" mining with it and they want to "share"? Clearly, it's more profitable for them to "rent"(scam) you the capacity than to mine themselves. |
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Not all cloud mining companies are scams or ponzis. Please check out https://BIT-X.com, their partnership with BitFury (an ASIC manufacturer has been confirmed officially) it is like a ponzi this one too. |
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Josh has scammed people on multiple fronts which is not limited to cloud mining. cloud mining it seems to be "sale of securites" in USA and it is regulated by SEC. it's the same in almost any country. That's why i am saying that cloud mining is either ponzi either sale of securities |
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