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2241  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitStamp - hacked and down on: January 05, 2015, 10:42:19 PM
The lastest statement from CEO Nejc Kodrič :

"Bitstamp customers can rest assured that their bitcoins held with us as prior to temporary suspension of services on January 5th (at 9am UTC) are completely safe and will be honored in full.

On January 4th, some of Bitstamp’s operational wallets were compromised, resulting in a loss of less than 19,000 BTC.  Upon learning of the breach, we immediately notified all customers that they should no longer make deposits to previously issued bitcoin deposit addresses.  As an additional security measure, we suspended our systems while we fully investigate the incident and actively engage with law enforcement officials.

This breach represents a small fraction of Bitstamp’s total bitcoin reserves, the overwhelming majority of which are are held in secure offline cold storage systems. We would like to reassure all Bitstamp customers that their balances held prior to our temporary suspension of services will not be affected and will be honored in full.

We appreciate customers’ patience during this disruption of services. We are working to transfer a secure backup of the Bitstamp site onto a new safe environment and will be bringing this online in the coming days. Customers can stay informed via updates on our website, on Twitter (@Bitstamp) and through Bitstamp customer support at support@bitstamp.net."


So. all the "rumors" were right. 5 MIL lost.

The website will be (MAYBE) online a 1 week or so...i recommend you to ask your money back those who deposited them by bank wire.
2242  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitStamp - hacked and down on: January 05, 2015, 10:35:12 PM
Do any of these situations end well? Gox, Vircurex, Cryptorush, Mintpal.

Only one that I know of: Poloniex was hacked but paid everyone back.
Btc-e also survived a hack back in 2012: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96831.0

who is BTC-e owner or CEO ? do you know where is their office? Smiley

BTC-e is very fishy.
What you are trying to say? That they scammed somebody? I personally didn't experience any issues with them, neither with Bitstamp until now.

I am saying that many people are using fishy companies. who is BTC-e? give one name, a bank account under their company's name, give me something that it's real about them Smiley
2243  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [BITSTAMP] Hot wallet problems, stop making bitcoin deposits IMMEDIATELY on: January 05, 2015, 10:31:32 PM
who all got stamped?  Cheesy
if im right bitfinex also stores btc at bitstamp, so if you don't want to be finexed withdraw now when it is still possible  Cool
Never ever let bitcoins on an exchange, honestly I just hope they close down and take bitfinex with them, exchanges need to keep going down untill people realize exchanges are for exchanging bitcoins and not for storing, cold wallets are meant for that
I warned you all ...

good point, start withdrawing now when it's still possible. you cannot be sure what's tomorrow Smiley

Where can I find that information that bitfinex keeps BTC on deposit at bitstamp?

Coinbase is using Bitstamp too.

But here are the information requested:

http://theblogchain.com/news/psa-raphael-from-bitfinex-is-offering-to-credit-accounts-of-those-who-lost-money-during-the-most-recent-engine-halt/

http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1wr0x8/bitfinex_integration_with_bitstamp/
2244  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitStamp - hacked and down on: January 05, 2015, 10:26:31 PM
Do any of these situations end well? Gox, Vircurex, Cryptorush, Mintpal.

Only one that I know of: Poloniex was hacked but paid everyone back.
Btc-e also survived a hack back in 2012: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96831.0

who is BTC-e owner or CEO ? do you know where is their office? Smiley

BTC-e is very fishy.
2245  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinfire Bitstamp update on: January 05, 2015, 10:20:35 PM
here you have more posts about Bitstamp :  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=85
2246  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [BITSTAMP] Hot wallet problems, stop making bitcoin deposits IMMEDIATELY on: January 05, 2015, 10:12:35 PM
who all got stamped?  Cheesy
if im right bitfinex also stores btc at bitstamp, so if you don't want to be finexed withdraw now when it is still possible  Cool
Never ever let bitcoins on an exchange, honestly I just hope they close down and take bitfinex with them, exchanges need to keep going down untill people realize exchanges are for exchanging bitcoins and not for storing, cold wallets are meant for that
I warned you all ...

good point, start withdrawing now when it's still possible. you cannot be sure what's tomorrow Smiley
2247  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitstamp - hot wallet problem on: January 05, 2015, 10:08:05 PM
this is insane  Shocked . why does this keep happening? I guess history repeats itself

Because most of these exchangers are ran by amateurs, hipters who thinks about their self that they are GODS.
That's why these things are happening. Look to their behavior. They think that they are a corporation; same as Mtgox or Moolah.

Look here : http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e63_1404777061   Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob9Ak1t09Ao

This is a common behavior for almost all these "exchangers". They are "busy" people, full of the word's problems.Nobody can understand what  burden they carry but in essence they are some kids who saw a lot of money in their hands. Smiley

They are full of vanity....they know better than anyone how the "things" are in the financial industry even they have 25 years old.
They create "scripts" on  knees and saying "it's the best"  even they only tested for 1-2 weeks.

A real software it's tested for months and even so you cannot declare it as safe.
 That's why all the hacks are happening. The greed and vanity will bring down all these so called exchangers.

Unfortunately, their clients will pay the bill.
In that youtube video, Mark Karpeles is smiling when he meets the protester. Wish he would of slugged him in the face. I think you're right about the profiling of these kids. They think they are unassailable and don't have to answer to anyone. Including customers.

Seems like more than just exchanges are run by amateurs though. I'm sure you heard of the latest GAW/Paycoin debacle? Not 100% confirmed scam but definitely a very poorly managed company.  It seems the BTC community has become a snarling pit bull though and won't be as easily scammed.


all the scammers are smiling. why not? they earned a lot of money.
The trust in Bitcoin will sick. All the press agencies will announce another collapse tomorrow or after tomorrow.

Yes, these biggest Bitcoinn exchangers are ran by hipters, kids or people who wants to make money overnight not to built a real company.
Yesterday Mt Gox, today Bitstamp, tomorrow Bitfinex and Coinbase after tomorrow...and so on. Not to mention BTC-e. A big exchanger but nobody knows where it is based...nothing Smiley

These people made millions of USD, tens of millions. It's OK for them to close the biz.

You can live your life where you want and how you want when you have millions in your bank account (not in Bitcoin where it can be hacked). Smiley
2248  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitStamp - hacked and down on: January 05, 2015, 09:54:35 PM
call Bitstamp. travel to Slovenia if you are in Europe. it's 2 hours away of any Europe corner.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob9Ak1t09Ao
2249  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitStamp - hacked and down on: January 05, 2015, 08:57:40 PM
...
...I repeat, almost ALL the money are in their bank account.

Most of the people are depositing by bank wire so, Bitstamp has the money as fiat currency.

Let's say the BTC from Bitstamp wallets disappear, the BTC is backed by real money(at least 90% from it)

When miners and merchants sell BTC some/many of them quickly withdraw the fiat. To say that Bitstamp can cover lost Bitcoins from the bank account makes no sense in the real world.

There is no reason to panic, since Stamp has a much better track record than Gox ever did.

I am saying that all the Bitcoin that Bitstamp's clients are buying, are bought with real money by bank wire.
These money are in Bitstamp's bank account.

more than that, imagine someone is buying 1 BTC with 300 USD by bank wire and a week after 1 BTC = 200 USD. many are selling.
Make the calculations. Bitstamp had around of 2 MIL USD deposits per day.
a month ago  1 BTC = 380  .
now 1 BTC = 280 USD

100 USD is the difference. calculate how much they earned in 1 month only from bitcoin price.
YES, they earned millions in one month Smiley)


Ask your money back !
2250  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Ponzi scheme or not on: January 05, 2015, 08:29:08 PM
I want to know if anybody in the Bitcoin community think that Bitcoin is a big ponzi scheme like Bernie Madoff. If so please vote Yes or No. Also, please explain why you think that.

bitcoin seems more like a collective delusion.

this will explain you more :

http://www.zdnet.com/article/bitcoin-confidence-game-is-a-ponzi-scheme-for-the-21st-century/

http://www.garynorth.com/public/11828.cfm
2251  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitStamp - hacked and down on: January 05, 2015, 08:25:19 PM
Nothing have been enclosed with hacked or compromised. They already gave a public statement, people just like to fud at this.
They To restate: "the bulk of our bitcoin are in cold storage, and remain completely safe."


please read again :

 "We have reason to believe that one of Bitstamp’s operational wallets was compromised on January 4th, 2015."


https://www.bitstamp.net/
2252  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitStamp - hacked and down on: January 05, 2015, 08:23:14 PM
please tell that to Mt Gox clients who lost A LOT of money.

People like you came at that time saying that "someone is spreading FUD".
Ok, prove these two bolded claims you made then:

I repeat, almost ALL the money are in their bank account.

Most of the people are depositing by bank wire so, Bitstamp has the money as fiat currency.

Let's say the BTC from Bitstamp wallets disappear, the BTC is backed by real money(at least 90% from it)

and because of the fake transactions. all big exchangers reported fake transactions. almost 50% are fake.
they manipulated the Bitcoin price and Bitstamp is not a stranger of this, being the 3rd one as volume.


Look to the Bitstamp numbers. Most of their deposits are coming from bank wires. How else? It's something normal. Smiley
How can you buy Bitcoin from Bitstamp if you want to trade? By bank wire, of course. How do you withdrawn your Bitcoin? By bank wire. All the transactions are through bank in the end because the people needs real money not Bitcoin.

So, BitStamp has a lot of money in their bank account which can cover any loss (or least should do it...who knows ...)

2253  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitStamp - hacked and down on: January 05, 2015, 08:09:14 PM
please tell that to Mt Gox clients who lost A LOT of money.

People like you came at that time saying that "someone is spreading FUD".

I am just saying that Bistamp's clients must claim their money back. Their money are into Bitstamp's bank account. They don't have to be passive as they were with MTgox.

They must react from the first moment an exchanger is "down" for a "hacking" problem.
2254  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitStamp - hacked and down on: January 05, 2015, 08:01:02 PM
again misinformation, domain not down..

Mtgox domain is up. Does it help?
2255  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitStamp - hacked and down on: January 05, 2015, 07:45:17 PM
Very bad news, they handled it well though.

That remains to be seen. If they are telling the truth and they have the funds to cover all customer Bitcoin (and don't take 6 months to return it to people) then they have handled it very well indeed.

They mention a cold storage supply to reimburse users if they do not act on this it will kill their business.

I repeat, almost ALL the money are in their bank account.

Most of the people are depositing by bank wire so, Bitstamp has the money as fiat currency.

Let's say the BTC from Bitstamp wallets disappear, the BTC is backed by real money(at least 90% from it)
2256  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitStamp - hacked and down on: January 05, 2015, 07:42:43 PM
so that 40 dollar price drop yesterday was because of this hack? am i right?
i think yea because people are afraid of mt.gox shutdown and don't want to take risk anymore
they think bitstamp is next after mt.gox

I think the price drop was before the hack actually ....

and because of the fake transactions. all big exchangers reported fake transactions. almost 50% are fake.
they manipulated the Bitcoin price and Bitstamp is not a stranger of this, being the 3rd one as volume.


https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/fake-transaction-chains-double-2014-bitcoin-volume/
2257  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitStamp - hacked and down on: January 05, 2015, 07:26:20 PM
Bitstamp problem is on the news :  http://www.cnbc.com/id/102309754

12 hours without any update !

Ask your money back by bank wire. They must have the money in their bank account.

Do not be passive as you were with Mt.Gox. Claim your money back.

Almost all the deposits were made by bank wire to Bitstamp so they have your money Smiley

Well if you take what they are saying at face value: "As a security precaution against compromises Bitstamp only maintains a small fraction of customer bitcoins in online systems. Bitstamp maintains more than enough offline reserves to cover the compromised bitcoins. "

There is probably nothing to worry about. Time will tell I suppose.

let's say these are the facts. is it hard to write another update?

 there are many people who are waiting few words. also, i don't blame anybody who is worried because MTgox felt almost in the same way.
2258  Economy / Service Discussion / BitStamp - hacked and down on: January 05, 2015, 07:12:30 PM
Bitstamp problem is on the news :  http://www.cnbc.com/id/102309754

12 hours without any update !

Ask your money back by bank wire. They must have the money in their bank account.

Do not be passive as you were with Mt.Gox. Claim your money back.

Almost all the deposits were made by bank wire to Bitstamp so they have your money Smiley
2259  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: What percentage of their coins stuck at Bitstamp will customers get back? on: January 05, 2015, 07:05:56 PM
Their reserves are huge, I don't see this being an issue.
Luckily I've withdrawn my stuff on time.

how do you know they are huge? Smiley
2260  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Interesting comments on BitStamps possible compromise from July 2014 on: January 05, 2015, 07:04:54 PM
no update since 12 hours. is this normal?

of course not but Bistamp doesn't care about that. Did anybody call them?
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