[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[Shinraven]

I didn't "task myself" with anything of that short. I stated that by Monday I would have the CONTENT of what would be the meat of the WVD. When Shinraven put his foot in his mouth -again- pretending that I have backed up and will not deliver, in spite of the fact that I had posted and long before decided that, since no enthusiastic support from the devs, which was a requirement, was forthcoming, I would not participate any longer in project WVD, I decided to post the raw content of the pamphlet that I hadn't even proof-read and that took all of 5 minutes to put together, days before. Get it now?

Still, by leaps and bounds, even in it's rawest form, stands out as a clear message with obvious positive results if even minimally distributed in the real world.
And that's a much, much, much bigger chance of anything remotely close to success -on a quite different scale- that Vericoin will ever have otherwise.

Capisce now?

But you should not bother your little head with so far superior thoughts. You'll be much more at ease down at veritalk chanting hurrahs all the way down to three digits. And then delisting. Which is where Vericoin's train wreck is heading in the current direction.

But just a thought the may eventually sink (though I doubt it), when a train is accelerating and adding as much fuel as possible towards an evident precipice (we are already very, very clearly on the steep way down), what do you think is really positive, a change of direction at the next switch or keep on chanting hurrahs while accelerating on the current direction? No need to answer that by the way.

[altcoinUK]

And just as I was typing this you posted three more times...all negative and none productive rantings and ramblings. I rest my case...

Actually Barrabas is right about Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS. All are completely useless functions and certainly don't put vericoin in the league of innovative coins. No wonder the statistic indicates the three features have 9 users worldwide (from the 9 users 3 are the developers). Hardly creative and innovative ideas like Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS are not good enough, no wonder the price is 9k.

And what other coins have useful features in the real world besides bitcoin? This is a long-term play...

You need to pull your head out of crypto and look at this from non crypto, everyday person point of view...the more features and useability Vericoin has the more chance it has at being a useable currency.

Well, obviously I can't prove you're wrong about that. I guess we just have a different view on what makes a coin successful. I don't think  Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS can make a coin successful. But of course, this is just pure speculation, just as you speculate that that such features can propel a coin. Therefore, better to rely on the ultimate test: the market. The market has spoken and don't like the direction - that's why the price is 9k. CLOAK which had the same price as vericoin at the end June currently 4 times as valuable as vericoin today, VIACOIN that had the same price 4 weeks ago as vericoin currently more than 3 times as valuable as vericoin. So obviously not the seasonal investment volume issue is the real problem, even EffectsToCause always blame the summer for the low price.

The devs are here for the dollar and the only reason their CVs are in the public domain is to convince investors to buy the coin. Therefore, if they needed the investment, I believe it is reasonable to expect they do a better job (actually any job would be great because they not delivered anything in the last 9 weeks). I am not sure if you noticed, but there are at least 2 new people write in this thread every day who have never visited here before to tell the same story over and over: these real people aren't FUDders, they bought the coin for real money at 30k-50k by reading Pnosker tweets and EffectsToCause posts about the bright future. The disappointment of the investors is not FUD, and I think the problems and possible solutions need to be discussed.

Thank you for your well thought out response...much respect for your point of view. Why can't this forum be filled with civil and constructive discussion instead of feeding the hate machine know as barabass.

While barabass was spewing his hateful and non constructive rants there was a serious discussion of Dev4 (project Juggernaut) in IRC, a planned meeting will happen between Dev4 and the Vericoin developers soon. To discuss him possibly joining the team...

Pat, Doug and Dave will meet with him to see what he has to offer...he has dropped his intial offer of 1 million VRC to 500k VRC and payment would only be given when certain goals and projects have been completed.

The Vericoin Developers have stated that this is the communities coin and if we want to bring something to the table they are all for it. People have already offered to put forward a large amount of the required VRC to make this project a reality including myself.

Put your money where your mouth is barabass!

I had a chat here with Pnosker last week. He was kind enough to explain why he wrote his tweets, view, opinion, etc, and more importantly where this coin is heading. He made clear that the direction is the worldwide mass adoption theme, as he said it is what is it, that's what is happening and nothing else. Based on what I heard from Pnosker I can't see the deal with DEV4 is going to happen. Not to mention the difficulties of putting together the escrow and such project. I am in software development business, and I can't see a serious professional would waste his time with such deals like an escrow in this volatile altcoin market - at least I never met any in the last 25-30 years who would enter into such agreement (except if they are here for a P&D action and would pump the coin anyway, but that would be just another scam). In my opinion vericoin is having a delusional plan again regarding the DEV4 project. I was the first here to say the VISA card deal is very lame, and I can tell you the DEV4 idea is unrealistic :-))

I think it is not reasonable to say that we are just talking without providing solutions. I am not here to speak for Barrabas, he can write well :-))) but in my opinion Barrabas had many excellent suggestions here. I offered in this thread 2-3 weeks ago that I could organize a US$ 60k fund to cover 3-4 months work to deliver something that turn around the ship. That was not even considered as a viable option. I guess the only option here to ask the devs start working and deliver something that make sense.

[MAD945]

And just as I was typing this you posted three more times...all negative and none productive rantings and ramblings. I rest my case...

Actually Barrabas is right about Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS. All are completely useless functions and certainly don't put vericoin in the league of innovative coins. No wonder the statistic indicates the three features have 9 users worldwide (from the 9 users 3 are the developers). Hardly creative and innovative ideas like Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS are not good enough, no wonder the price is 9k.

And what other coins have useful features in the real world besides bitcoin? This is a long-term play...

You need to pull your head out of crypto and look at this from non crypto, everyday person point of view...the more features and useability Vericoin has the more chance it has at being a useable currency.

Well, obviously I can't prove you're wrong about that. I guess we just have a different view on what makes a coin successful. I don't think  Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS can make a coin successful. But of course, this is just pure speculation, just as you speculate that that such features can propel a coin. Therefore, better to rely on the ultimate test: the market. The market has spoken and don't like the direction - that's why the price is 9k. CLOAK which had the same price as vericoin at the end June currently 4 times as valuable as vericoin today, VIACOIN that had the same price 4 weeks ago as vericoin currently more than 3 times as valuable as vericoin. So obviously not the seasonal investment volume issue is the real problem, even EffectsToCause always blame the summer for the low price.

The devs are here for the dollar and the only reason their CVs are in the public domain is to convince investors to buy the coin. Therefore, if they needed the investment, I believe it is reasonable to expect they do a better job (actually any job would be great because they not delivered anything in the last 9 weeks). I am not sure if you noticed, but there are at least 2 new people write in this thread every day who have never visited here before to tell the same story over and over: these real people aren't FUDders, they bought the coin for real money at 30k-50k by reading Pnosker tweets and EffectsToCause posts about the bright future. The disappointment of the investors is not FUD, and I think the problems and possible solutions need to be discussed.

Thank you for your well thought out response...much respect for your point of view. Why can't this forum be filled with civil and constructive discussion instead of feeding the hate machine know as barabass.

While barabass was spewing his hateful and non constructive rants there was a serious discussion of Dev4 (project Juggernaut) in IRC, a planned meeting will happen between Dev4 and the Vericoin developers soon. To discuss him possibly joining the team...

Pat, Doug and Dave will meet with him to see what he has to offer...he has dropped his intial offer of 1 million VRC to 500k VRC and payment would only be given when certain goals and projects have been completed.

The Vericoin Developers have stated that this is the communities coin and if we want to bring something to the table they are all for it. People have already offered to put forward a large amount of the required VRC to make this project a reality including myself.

Put your money where your mouth is barabass!

RANT!

Sorry didn't bother reading it because its the same shit from the last 5-6 pages...no thanks

[MAD945]

And just as I was typing this you posted three more times...all negative and none productive rantings and ramblings. I rest my case...

Actually Barrabas is right about Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS. All are completely useless functions and certainly don't put vericoin in the league of innovative coins. No wonder the statistic indicates the three features have 9 users worldwide (from the 9 users 3 are the developers). Hardly creative and innovative ideas like Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS are not good enough, no wonder the price is 9k.

And what other coins have useful features in the real world besides bitcoin? This is a long-term play...

You need to pull your head out of crypto and look at this from non crypto, everyday person point of view...the more features and useability Vericoin has the more chance it has at being a useable currency.

Well, obviously I can't prove you're wrong about that. I guess we just have a different view on what makes a coin successful. I don't think  Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS can make a coin successful. But of course, this is just pure speculation, just as you speculate that that such features can propel a coin. Therefore, better to rely on the ultimate test: the market. The market has spoken and don't like the direction - that's why the price is 9k. CLOAK which had the same price as vericoin at the end June currently 4 times as valuable as vericoin today, VIACOIN that had the same price 4 weeks ago as vericoin currently more than 3 times as valuable as vericoin. So obviously not the seasonal investment volume issue is the real problem, even EffectsToCause always blame the summer for the low price.

The devs are here for the dollar and the only reason their CVs are in the public domain is to convince investors to buy the coin. Therefore, if they needed the investment, I believe it is reasonable to expect they do a better job (actually any job would be great because they not delivered anything in the last 9 weeks). I am not sure if you noticed, but there are at least 2 new people write in this thread every day who have never visited here before to tell the same story over and over: these real people aren't FUDders, they bought the coin for real money at 30k-50k by reading Pnosker tweets and EffectsToCause posts about the bright future. The disappointment of the investors is not FUD, and I think the problems and possible solutions need to be discussed.

Thank you for your well thought out response...much respect for your point of view. Why can't this forum be filled with civil and constructive discussion instead of feeding the hate machine know as barabass.

While barabass was spewing his hateful and non constructive rants there was a serious discussion of Dev4 (project Juggernaut) in IRC, a planned meeting will happen between Dev4 and the Vericoin developers soon. To discuss him possibly joining the team...

Pat, Doug and Dave will meet with him to see what he has to offer...he has dropped his intial offer of 1 million VRC to 500k VRC and payment would only be given when certain goals and projects have been completed.

The Vericoin Developers have stated that this is the communities coin and if we want to bring something to the table they are all for it. People have already offered to put forward a large amount of the required VRC to make this project a reality including myself.

Put your money where your mouth is barabass!

I had a chat here with Pnosker last week. He was kind enough to explain why he wrote his tweets, view, opinion, etc, and more importantly where this coin is heading. He made clear that the direction is the worldwide mass adoption theme, as he said it is what is it, that's what is happening and nothing else. Based on what I heard from Pnosker I can't see the deal with DEV4 is going to happen. Not to mention the difficulties of putting together the escrow and such project. I am in software development business, and I can't see a serious professional would waste his time with such deals like an escrow in this volatile altcoin market - at least I never met any in the last 25-30 years who would enter into such agreement (except if they are here for a P&D action and would pump the coin anyway, but that would be just another scam). In my opinion vericoin is having a delusional plan again regarding the DEV4 project. I was the first here to say the VISA card deal is very lame, and I can tell you the DEV4 idea is unrealistic :-))

I think it is not reasonable to say that we are just talking without providing solutions. I am not here to speak for Barrabas, he can write well :-))) but in my opinion Barrabas had many excellent suggestions here. I offered in this thread 2-3 weeks ago that I could organize a US$ 60k fund to cover 3-4 months work to deliver something that turn around the ship. That was not even considered as a viable option. I guess the only option here to ask the devs start working and deliver something that make sense.

We shall see what happens with Dev4...it was his suggestion for escrow.

The Dev's are still working on the current projects on the road map so if Dev4 can bring more then why not?

[socal]

Hey guys sry I have been absent recently, still swamped with getting the Physical Vericoins in order, Anyway THANK YOU to everyone in the community for your support I know myself and the Devs are constantly really busy so if you have an idea or contribution (such as the white papers or YT vids) PLEASE PM me and I will make sure important info gets passed on directly to the Devs.

Once again THANK YOU everyone, your hard work and support are extremely appreciated

bumping this

[ereborltc]

why can't barabbas and his little minions understand that its not the suggestions or being right or wrong thats the problem! its HOW he says it ... just keep doing your thing and calling everyone else cheerleaders or correcting spelling ... its clear your not trying to be useful at all and if you are you have zero ppl skills..prob a product of always being behind your screen...i don't even read your long posts cause its a complete waste of time rather you have a point or not most will never know cause your lack of respect.. plz i won't read your answer so don't bother typing another essay, which obviously you will ,seems you live for this..

anyhow with that said..my opinion(not like it matters I'm just a cheerleader) is that its great that the dev4 will meet up with pnosker and the team to discuss what he has to offer and i like that he lowered his demands.. to answer the question on "who  would work with an escrow and not get paid right away?" many people would thats ridiculous to say no one would do that, if he knows he can deliver what he's planning to bring to the table why not.. and if he sees something in vericoin others don't ,why not? anyway thats just my opinion...every single thing that is brought up that vericoin is working on is labeled dumb by the exact same ppl... why don't you guys band up together since some of you say you have so much to offer and know exactly what the perfect alt coin should consist of, go and make your own coin?

but i must say barabbas is by far the most entertaining..i actually feel sorry that he prob invested his life savings into vericoin at peak price. i can't see any other reason for such rage... keep calling people you don't know idiots and uneducated, you have no clue who your talking too... you need anger management and friends lol

so ill just continue doing what i can to help which isn't much besides accumulating and staking and of course cheerleading!

[ereborltc]

Hey guys sry I have been absent recently, still swamped with getting the Physical Vericoins in order, Anyway THANK YOU to everyone in the community for your support I know myself and the Devs are constantly really busy so if you have an idea or contribution (such as the white papers or YT vids) PLEASE PM me and I will make sure important info gets passed on directly to the Devs.

Once again THANK YOU everyone, your hard work and support are extremely appreciated

bumping this

what do u mean "dumping this"?

[effectsToCause]

Hey guys sry I have been absent recently, still swamped with getting the Physical Vericoins in order, Anyway THANK YOU to everyone in the community for your support I know myself and the Devs are constantly really busy so if you have an idea or contribution (such as the white papers or YT vids) PLEASE PM me and I will make sure important info gets passed on directly to the Devs.

Once again THANK YOU everyone, your hard work and support are extremely appreciated

bumping this

what do u mean "dumping this"?

he means reposting "bumping"

[barabbas]

why can't barabbas and his little minions understand that its not the suggestions or being right or wrong thats the problem! its HOW he says it ... just keep doing your thing and calling everyone else cheerleaders or correcting spelling ... its clear your not trying to be useful at all and if you are you have zero ppl skills..prob a product of always being behind your screen...i don't even read your long posts cause its a complete waste of time rather you have a point or not most will never know cause your lack of respect.. plz i won't read your answer so don't bother typing another essay, which obviously you will ,seems you live for this..

anyhow with that said..my opinion(not like it matters I'm just a cheerleader) is that its great that the dev4 will meet up with pnosker and the team to discuss what he has to offer and i like that he lowered his demands.. to answer the question on "who  would work with an escrow and not get paid right away?" many people would thats ridiculous to say no one would do that, if he knows he can deliver what he's planning to bring to the table why not.. and if he sees something in vericoin others don't ,why not? anyway thats just my opinion...every single thing that is brought up that vericoin is working on is labeled dumb by the exact same ppl... why don't you guys band up together since some of you say you have so much to offer and know exactly what the perfect alt coin should consist of, go and make your own coin?

but i must say barabbas is by far the most entertaining..i actually feel sorry that he prob invested his life savings into vericoin at peak price. i can't see any other reason for such rage... keep calling people you don't know idiots and uneducated, you have no clue who your talking too... you need anger management and friends lol

so ill just continue doing what i can to help which isn't much besides accumulating and staking and of course cheerleading!

If you would do just what about other 500 or more people do, which is buy, stake and shut your mouth, you'd be helpful and wouldn't provoke unnecessary hostility.

As it is, you insist in, very clumsily, try to offend and discredit anyone with strong opinions and knowledge, PROVEN by events, time and market.

Stick to cheerleading. And, once again, may I suggest veritalk?

[barabbas]

Hey guys sry I have been absent recently, still swamped with getting the Physical Vericoins in order, Anyway THANK YOU to everyone in the community for your support I know myself and the Devs are constantly really busy so if you have an idea or contribution (such as the white papers or YT vids) PLEASE PM me and I will make sure important info gets passed on directly to the Devs.

Once again THANK YOU everyone, your hard work and support are extremely appreciated

bumping this

what do u mean "dumping this"?

he means reposting "bumping"

He means that, indeed. But it is DUMPING indeed.

[Wreathy]

Actually I,m going back to ignore this person, he is what we call in my trade, a group saboteur non-conformist a double take.
Would I use him in business, would I send him to the bank would I trust him.

Judging by his reaction to peoples opinion of his first edition WVD effort. I could not trust him as far as I could throw a Stone.

Fud filter back to normal.

Feeding Trolls around here can be dangerous.

[MAD945]

why can't barabbas and his little minions understand that its not the suggestions or being right or wrong thats the problem! its HOW he says it ... just keep doing your thing and calling everyone else cheerleaders or correcting spelling ... its clear your not trying to be useful at all and if you are you have zero ppl skills..prob a product of always being behind your screen...i don't even read your long posts cause its a complete waste of time rather you have a point or not most will never know cause your lack of respect.. plz i won't read your answer so don't bother typing another essay, which obviously you will ,seems you live for this..

anyhow with that said..my opinion(not like it matters I'm just a cheerleader) is that its great that the dev4 will meet up with pnosker and the team to discuss what he has to offer and i like that he lowered his demands.. to answer the question on "who  would work with an escrow and not get paid right away?" many people would thats ridiculous to say no one would do that, if he knows he can deliver what he's planning to bring to the table why not.. and if he sees something in vericoin others don't ,why not? anyway thats just my opinion...every single thing that is brought up that vericoin is working on is labeled dumb by the exact same ppl... why don't you guys band up together since some of you say you have so much to offer and know exactly what the perfect alt coin should consist of, go and make your own coin?

but i must say barabbas is by far the most entertaining..i actually feel sorry that he prob invested his life savings into vericoin at peak price. i can't see any other reason for such rage... keep calling people you don't know idiots and uneducated, you have no clue who your talking too... you need anger management and friends lol

so ill just continue doing what i can to help which isn't much besides accumulating and staking and of course cheerleading!

If you would do just what about other 500 or more people do, which is buy, stake and shut your mouth, you'd be helpful and wouldn't provoke unnecessary hostility.

As it is, you insist in, very clumsily, try to offend and discredit anyone with strong opinions and knowledge, PROVEN by events, time and market.

Stick to cheerleading. And, once again, may I suggest veritalk?

And barabbass shows his true colors...nothing but a attention seeker with delusions of grandeur. Being humble is not in your vocabulary lol

[buy4crypto]

Here are some serious questions people should answer who are interested in the future of VeriCoin. Daytraders can stop listening here.


Is a debate really taking place over a fourth developer being paid insane amounts of money happening based on his promises? This community really needs leadership, and visionaries. When these people think, and give you solutions, instead of insisting criticism as "FUD". Perhaps its time to look at what these people say more seriously. Lets start by turning this discussion into potentially something valuable.

Would a better option not be to figure out a way to bring 10's , if not 10's of thousand developers to the VeriCoin platform? What gives Bitcoin an advantage is people have confidence in the services, and products behind it.


What is VeriCoin? IMO VeriCoin needs to cut a lot of the fat, and figure out what it is / wants to be. AND DO THAT WELL, forget being everything to everyone.

To regain confidence in VeriCoin, IMO. We need to take about 5-10 failures off of that roadmap and streamline a realistic vision for people to champion. Stop working at everything and failing. It's time to work hard towards goals that will bring small levels of success and work up to bigger things. The time to start under promising, and over delivering is now. Can you remember the last time we have under promised and over delivered?

If the developers can start achieving this they will gain the best asset back that VeriCoin had, and that is its the "good guy" of crypto, or "bad guy" depending how you view it, either way it polarizes the market and gives you all you need to be successful, if your willing to put in the work to get there.

Start with this MN fair, give Xo all he needs to succeed. This should be the main topic of discussion in the upcoming days. The developers will not share with us what happened with coinsis, so we can watch speculation from other coins to get a clearer picture. Not ideally the way you want to research your investment. But if you cannot get the information from the source, you get it where you can.

[ereborltc]

Hey guys sry I have been absent recently, still swamped with getting the Physical Vericoins in order, Anyway THANK YOU to everyone in the community for your support I know myself and the Devs are constantly really busy so if you have an idea or contribution (such as the white papers or YT vids) PLEASE PM me and I will make sure important info gets passed on directly to the Devs.

Once again THANK YOU everyone, your hard work and support are extremely appreciated

bumping this

what do u mean "dumping this"?

he means reposting "bumping"

ah ok thanx

[effectsToCause]

Barabbas, you do realize you are losing the ability to be taken as credible, the more you insult people right?  This is not an effective approach to getting your point across.  If you insult me in response to this post it will be even worse.

[defier]

Sorry didn't bother reading it because its the same shit from the last 5-6 pages...no thanks

Exactly and if others don't quote, and feed the trolls.  Most of have already ignored them and won't see the paragraphs of repetitious spooge they write.  The last few pages are almost all "This user is currently ignored" between barrabas altcoinuk and buy4crypto.  

At the very least try to clip out the 10 paragraphs of rant, and just leave the point, or lack thereof, to which you are responding.
Thanks

[Wreathy]

Any thoughts on lasts nights devs interview?.

[ereborltc]

why can't barabbas and his little minions understand that its not the suggestions or being right or wrong thats the problem! its HOW he says it ... just keep doing your thing and calling everyone else cheerleaders or correcting spelling ... its clear your not trying to be useful at all and if you are you have zero ppl skills..prob a product of always being behind your screen...i don't even read your long posts cause its a complete waste of time rather you have a point or not most will never know cause your lack of respect.. plz i won't read your answer so don't bother typing another essay, which obviously you will ,seems you live for this..

anyhow with that said..my opinion(not like it matters I'm just a cheerleader) is that its great that the dev4 will meet up with pnosker and the team to discuss what he has to offer and i like that he lowered his demands.. to answer the question on "who  would work with an escrow and not get paid right away?" many people would thats ridiculous to say no one would do that, if he knows he can deliver what he's planning to bring to the table why not.. and if he sees something in vericoin others don't ,why not? anyway thats just my opinion...every single thing that is brought up that vericoin is working on is labeled dumb by the exact same ppl... why don't you guys band up together since some of you say you have so much to offer and know exactly what the perfect alt coin should consist of, go and make your own coin?

but i must say barabbas is by far the most entertaining..i actually feel sorry that he prob invested his life savings into vericoin at peak price. i can't see any other reason for such rage... keep calling people you don't know idiots and uneducated, you have no clue who your talking too... you need anger management and friends lol

so ill just continue doing what i can to help which isn't much besides accumulating and staking and of course cheerleading!

If you would do just what about other 500 or more people do, which is buy, stake and shut your mouth, you'd be helpful and wouldn't provoke unnecessary hostility.

As it is, you insist in, very clumsily, try to offend and discredit anyone with strong opinions and knowledge, PROVEN by events, time and market.

Stick to cheerleading. And, once again, may I suggest veritalk?

and once again the same rebuttal... understand that your rude so no matter how good your ideas it doesn't matter ! you have zero business skill and zero ppl skill so u are even more useless than any one who simply "invest" in vericoin (who aren't as useless as you may believe)... i run a very large successful business in which i want to accept vericoin.. you don't know who your talking to and luckily I'm not an immature kid like you and don't take you seriously cause the only thing that would scare investors and merchants like myself away is YOU! i don't need to discredit you lololol you do a fine job of that yourself...  

[buy4crypto]

Sorry didn't bother reading it because its the same shit from the last 5-6 pages...no thanks

Exactly and if others don't quote, and feed the trolls.  Most of have already ignored them and won't see the paragraphs of repetitious spooge they write.  The last few pages are almost all "This user is currently ignored" between barrabas altcoinuk and buy4crypto.  

At the very least try to clip out the 10 paragraphs of rant, and just leave the point, or lack thereof, to which you are responding.
Thanks

You got tired of listening to common sense?

Tell me, if I was posting Gifs of Moons, and saying 100k satoshi! Would I be ignored? It's telling what people consider unviewable. Sure I have been a bit long winded, its because I am offering up solutions to the problems. I know many appreciate what I do here, so I wont assume this is everyone's view. But for those who understand what business is about, ignoring the bad things, contrary to popular belief, does not make it better. Infact, when you are looking to succeed, it happens to be the best place to start.

[barabbas]

Barabbas, you do realize you are losing the ability to be taken as credible, the more you insult people right?  This is not an effective approach to getting your point across.  If you insult me in response to this post it will be even worse.

Thank you Doug for your concern, but I am ALWAYS quite aware of what I say and its potential repercussions... something that I cannot stress enough you should do one hundred of times more than you currently do, so please, do some introspection, which is direly needed, rather than advise someone like me that, by age and experience alone, is worlds away from you, ok?

If you consider posting that you speak too much and post way too much without saying anything of substance and, consequently, it is counter-active for the project of Vericoin, is an insult, then I am insulting you. If you consider that calling the three of you "stooges", because like the real ones, you go around aimless like a hen with the head cut out, is an insult, then I am insulting you. But most people with basic common sense, would consider both instances as a way over deserved reprimand and a clear indication that you should focus, work -and not talk- and set clear, specific goals with some semblance of capability to be achieved.

Since I have used the conditional a couple of times, I would very strongly suggest to you to read the Kipling poem and reflect a bit on it. It could actually do you -and Patrick- some good, in this and future endeavors.

But you would probably consider this response another insult so we continue going in circles, unfortunately.