I hope it's not bad etiquette to make these all separate posts, I thought it was better for readability since they are different topics. What conditions will make the bot skip replacing orders? Is there some setting that might be preventing the bot from canceling the old order and placing another at the new price level?  Thanks  Look at the red light dotted line on the graph display. That is the sell margin that you set up on your strategy. @Amaralluis , thanks for helping out. This is very much appreciated Rene I'd still like some clarification on this. My bot was in a buy state, not sell state, and the candlesticks very clearly went out of the buy range since the order was placed. So I'm still missing something. https://imgur.com/IfdVh8sHi, from the screenshot it looks like your strategy setup was set up to buy at a much lower price range. See the blue horizontal arrow below the price of 148. The augmentation on top is the future setup, when you start and stop the strategy or the order gets replaced. Hope thats helps! Rene |
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Leonardo team, I really appreciate the time you spend supporting your users, it is a huge added value in making me happy with my purchase. I have a couple moonshot ideas that might be overly complicated to implement and confusing to new users, but I still wanted to see what you thought  1. A bot that makes trades based on the depth chart, similar to the way mArgin maker uses the price chart. Currently, setting up mArgin maker with a short time window can approximate this strategy, but we would be able to get better trades if the bot could recognize buy walls and sell walls. So maybe the order book can just be used as an indicator, rather than engineering something totally new. 2. A way to disregard "outliers" when calculating the trading window. For example, here we have an inordinately long wick causing mArgin maker to set the sell price higher than I would have expected when I originally set up the bot.  If we could ignore this single wick, the buy price would be right where I want it to be:  Of course, mArgin maker will adapt in a few hours when these wicks leave the time frame that the bot is using to analyze, but in that time we are exposed to additional risk. In the first screenshot, the price may drop and I could miss a sell. In the second screenshot, there may be missed trading opportunities, which is not as bad. So how to define an outlier that should be excluded? Maybe a simple rule could be, "the top and bottom of the red area has to touch more than 1 candlestick feature." I would rather have this option than change the buy margin and sell margin, because I like those values most of the time, whereas this is more of an exception. A more complicated way to look at it would be to recognize when part of the red area has only 1 candlestick feature:   Then the user can decide, if the crossed-out area is more than 10/20/30% of the red area, disregard the crossed-out area? Cheers! We like moonshot ideas! Keep em coming. It is just a matter of resources on our side. Most of the ideas are already on our wishlist btw. But we re open on hearing more! Thanks for your support. Rene |
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I hope it's not bad etiquette to make these all separate posts, I thought it was better for readability since they are different topics. What conditions will make the bot skip replacing orders? Is there some setting that might be preventing the bot from canceling the old order and placing another at the new price level? Thanks Look at the red light dotted line on the graph display. That is the sell margin that you set up on your strategy. @Amaralluis , thanks for helping out. This is very much appreciated Rene |
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Hey guys, Leonardo newbie here. Can I use the ping pong strategy in a such a way that adapts to the changing curve? So e.g instead of having a permanent buy/sell at e.g. 0.5 BTC/0.6 BTC, I want it to follow the curve and buy/sell at 0.3/0.4, 0.4/0.5 etc. Similar to what this bot advertises to do: http://translate.google.com/translate?client=tmpg&hl=en&langpair=ru|en&u=http%3A//1bbot.com/forum/cat-besplatnye-strategii-ot-nashih-polzovateley-dlya-bota-1b-bot-pro-zeus/topic-127.html Basically the bot knows the walls of the price at any given time and ping pongs between them. Thanks! Thats basically what the margin maker does. Try that. Oh, hah. Sorry just learning about it. So ping pong = static ping pong, margin maker = dynamic ping pong? Thats one way to see it, but yes Rene |
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Hello Jonathan, I got error with my Bitfinex account, see the capture : https://imgur.com/a/Up0M3My orders appears and disappears. I cannot trade. And when I try demo Bitfinex, my software crash after couples minutes with no message. Thx for the help. We are looking into issues with Bitfinex as it seems like they have changed their API polling rules. "NOTE In order to offer the best service possible we have added a rate limit to the number of REST requests. Our rate limit policy can vary in a range of 10 to 90 requests per minute depending on some factors (e.g. servers load, endpoint, etc.)." This is from here: https://bitfinex.readme.io/v1/docs/rest-generalIf we exceed this limit, which is likely then strange things could happen. How many pairs have you loaded? Were you running bots? This is a developing situation for us and I ask for your patience. Thanks, Jonathan This in a way could be good news for me because we might have a new version soon that improves the bandwidth usage. Its curious that the exchanges are starting to tighten up their API usage.... Wonder if it will get to a point that it becomes unusable for a bot to use?? Exchange don't want bot to be speed bot and poling server 300 times in 1 seconds. If a lot of people do that, it's like a DDOS attack to there server. 10/min it's to slow, but 90/min its perfect. 1/sec its the sweet spot I think, but Bitfinex API seem to adapt on servers loads, how can we adapt to that? Sry for my english, im french! You shouldn't have to care about it! leonArdo should handle it all correctly in the background. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Hello Jonathan, I got error with my Bitfinex account, see the capture : https://imgur.com/a/Up0M3My orders appears and disappears. I cannot trade. And when I try demo Bitfinex, my software crash after couples minutes with no message. Thx for the help. We are looking into issues with Bitfinex as it seems like they have changed their API polling rules. "NOTE In order to offer the best service possible we have added a rate limit to the number of REST requests. Our rate limit policy can vary in a range of 10 to 90 requests per minute depending on some factors (e.g. servers load, endpoint, etc.)." This is from here: https://bitfinex.readme.io/v1/docs/rest-generalIf we exceed this limit, which is likely then strange things could happen. How many pairs have you loaded? Were you running bots? This is a developing situation for us and I ask for your patience. Thanks, Jonathan Thx for the answer, glad you notice the problem. Im patient, so no stress, I will try some strategy on bot on poloniex and bittrex with the demo. On my Bitfinex, I use no bot, just manual trading on BTC/USD and ETH/USD. With Bitfinex-demo, I try with 2 bot, 1 on BTC/USD and the other on ETH/USD. And just for sure, I try Bitfinex-demo on my Windows 10 x64 and my Ubuntu x64 16.04.3 LTS, same thing 2 bot and got crash after couples minutes. And great software by the way. I will get two of my friends on it in the coming weeks. How can I refer them? Nice day! Once you are a customer you can ask your friends to just enter your email address in the RefCode field and we'll pay you a $25 bonus for each one you bring us! |
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Hello Jonathan, I got error with my Bitfinex account, see the capture : https://imgur.com/a/Up0M3My orders appears and disappears. I cannot trade. And when I try demo Bitfinex, my software crash after couples minutes with no message. Thx for the help. We are looking into issues with Bitfinex as it seems like they have changed their API polling rules. "NOTE In order to offer the best service possible we have added a rate limit to the number of REST requests. Our rate limit policy can vary in a range of 10 to 90 requests per minute depending on some factors (e.g. servers load, endpoint, etc.)." This is from here: https://bitfinex.readme.io/v1/docs/rest-generalIf we exceed this limit, which is likely then strange things could happen. How many pairs have you loaded? Were you running bots? This is a developing situation for us and I ask for your patience. Thanks, Jonathan |
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I got error with my Bitfinex account, see the capture : https://imgur.com/a/Up0M3My orders appears and disappears. I cannot trade. And when I try demo Bitfinex, my software crash after couples minutes with no message. Thx for the help. Are you still having problems with Bittrex? We are investigating some recent changes on the polling limits over at Bittrex. We will keep you updated! Rene |
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I set Max.order age [hrs] to 0.1 but buy order hanging there for 4 hours. From my understanding buy order should be cancel and replace every 0.1 hour which is 6 minutes?
The order won't get replaced if replacing it would place it at the very same price. It could be that that order is constrained by another parameter like a Min effective gain or a Do not sell below etc. That would keep it fixed there and mean it won't get updated. I hope that explains it. If not, please post a screenshot and I'll take a look. If you don't want to post here publicly you can send me a mail to support@marginsoftware.deBest wishes, Jonathan |
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You have to be an existing leonArdo customer to purchase Does this mean that leonArdo cloud price is $89+$38? Check in on bots using your phone/tablet Can i check it using Mac? Sorry, but we do not offer leonArdo cloud anymore. We only introduced it to let customers see how we like to use leonArdo, but it actually cost us money to run it. But please look around and find a VPS provider you like and go for it! Yes, you can check in on how leonArdo is doing using Microsoft Remote Desktop on a Mac. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Can someone explain about min.effective gain? I don't understand what it does.
When I create a bot I set buying and selling windows and Eff.margin is calculated based on that window let say 1%
So if I put 1btc worth on that bot it will buy when price reach bottom blue bar and sell when it reach top and I will gain 1% of 1 BTC which is 0.01 BTC
What does min. eff. gain do in this case if I set it to -1, 0, and 1 % ?
If you set it a 0 it does nothing. If you set it at a posive value it will cause a sell as soon the coin price increase by that amount in relation to the buy. Ie, buy at 1.00 and eff gain 5%, then if price reaches 5.00 it sells regardless of the eff margin being 10%. If you set with a negative value it behaves completely differently from the positive values. First it the sell margin % has to fall below the buy price and then the bot starts creating sells orders at a loss up to the eff gain %. ie, you buy a coin at 1.00 and the sell margin was a nice 5% (so eff margin is 5%). The coin value would have to drop those 5% or more for the sell margin to be below 1.00 for the eff gain % to kick in. For positive what if min.eff gain is larger than eff.margin? would it wait until min.eff gain meet or sell at eff.margin For negative I still don't get it. If I buy at 1btc eff.margin is 5% and I set min.eff to -1 when will this take effect? when price drop to 0.95btc? How thats different from stop-loss % >> For positive what if min.eff gain is larger than eff.margin? would it wait until min.eff gain meet or sell at eff.margin The mArgin maker bot sets the price of the next buy or sell dependent on the current statistics - which change over time as new trades enter the trade window. That's the first thing. However, before the bot places an order it checks the Min effective gain parameter. Does placing the order violate the Min effective gain? In your case above the answer is yes. If you set a Min effective gain of 10% the bot has to place the order at a price that delivers a 10% gain, after trading fees, from the previous trade that went through. >> For negative I still don't get it. If I buy at 1btc eff.margin is 5% and I set min.eff to -1 when will this take effect? when price drop to 0.95btc? How thats different from stop-loss % Allowing the bot to make a loss, by setting a negative Min effective gain, means that if the bot buys but after that the price falls the bot can potentially continue to trade. To keep things simple, you set a Min effective gain of -1% and the bot buys at a price of 1 BTC. If the price drops below 1 BTC and never recovers, then without a negative Min effective gain it would never place another trade. With it turned on the bot has a chance to place a sell order as low as 0.99 BTC, which might mean it can make a number of trades thereafter which make gains. Of course there are no guarantees. It's different from stop-loss because stop-loss is an event that also stops the bot. That's your get out of the market because you are not prepared to make a single cent more of a loss than where you place your stop loss. Jonathan, have you equationed changing how the bot places a buy order after a sell is made because of the negative eff gain%? Right now the bot will calculate a new buy order based on the buy margin % as it normally does but from my relative short experience playing with it, perhaps it would be more profitable to have the bot place a buy order at whatever the price is right away. What I am seeing is that when the sell order is executed the price is swinging up and it misses on a possible profitable situation. What I am suggesting is when a sell order is completed because of the eff min gain % to place a buy order immediately and after the buy order is filled to set up a sell order based on the first buy order that generated the loss plus the eff min gain % to try to recover the amount of the loss. example buy at 1btc, the price drops and when the sell takes place at 0.9btc (-1%) make a buy at whatever the price is (hopefully at 0.9btc) and then create a sell at (1btc + 0.1%+fees) 1.1btc and then the bot resumes from it. I have to say that I have really thought too much if this is a good strategy or not but I have been using startegies with -1 and -2% eff gains % and everytime the sell happens the price is going up. This causes the bot to place a buy order that is way too low and it might take alot of time for it to catch up with the coin if the price stays stable or keeps going up. Thanks for your suggestion. This is unfortunate when it happens, but of course anything can happen after the sell goes through. The market could also become bearish - in which case the current placement of the buy order would be correct. Or the market could level out which currently the mArgin maker bot could also take advantage of after a bit of time and the statistic window narrows. The mArgin maker bot won't be adapted except perhaps to add a "number of cycles" parameter that some people have asked for. What we are concentrating instead on is generalizing our current bot code to make it relatively straightforward to add new bots. Once that is done correctly it should be possible to quickly add new bots that take advantage of leonArdo's indicator framework (current ones like Bollinger bands, MACD, EMA etc. and new ones we will add like RSI). Maybe not immediately, but soon thereafter we will look at ways to achieve confluence - combining bots strategies in meaningful ways to get even better performance. At yet another future point it is our intention to release a strategy editor which will let you have full control over the strategies you want to create. You won't need to be a programmer to create your own personalized condition based strategies. But please note that we are already dealing with a very sophistic piece of software and not just a script or something else that can easily be adapted. Re-working the way bots are created and visualized is a very large piece of work. So I ask you guys to have patience with us and know that we are all working to full capacity now to make leonArdo much better. Thanks for listening. Jonathan |
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Just purchased the software but cant login can someone update the downloads with my half secret I sent the email to support yesterday and today, no response yet.
pumaro
I think it's the weekend in Germany right now. I'm sure they will do new builds over the weekend but probably not all day like on week days. Thanks for jumping in. It's nearly midnight on Friday night, but I am still up for at least one more build run Jonathan, in these builds are is there anything else other than adding new users to it done to the program? (like bug fixes)? I just want to know if theres any point in downloading the file everyday? No. We don't add anything except the new keys that need adding. New releases are always announced here and you will see an "Update available" link in the leonArdo login too. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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OK
So, I'm new to leonardo, loving it.
Few issues though.
#1 Is I need more information on the Margin Maker bot. I've watched literally everything I could find on youtube, and other than explaining the basic premise of the bot they all fail to go into any detail of what the finer functions do and how to use them effectively.
#2 is I am currently linked to the Bittrex exchange and I am unable to find a straight btc/usd pair. Obviously this pair doesn't exist on Bittrex but I'm wondering if there is some way to have this display so I don't have to use webpages at all to monitor prices as I'm loving the GUI.
Other than that, super happy customer. Great work!
=]
Hi mistry55, Great you like leonArdo so much! I'll leave it to others to give tips on how to best use the mArgin maker bot. Legally we can't give trading advice so I can only explain the features of the bot. If there is something specific you don't understand regarding a particular parameter then please ask. But for advice on what type of settings you should use for certain market conditions we can't help. As for displaying the btc/usd price. You could load a demo market which has the pair. For example demo-bitstamp. And then you could create a tools window and add it to it and have it shown in the main GUI window. Or whenever you need to check the price you could choose Bitstamp from the side bar. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Just purchased the software but cant login can someone update the downloads with my half secret I sent the email to support yesterday and today, no response yet.
pumaro
Somehow we missed you in all the new customers we are dealing with. Sorry about that. Can you send me your email address via pm? Or write a mail to support@marginsoftware.de and we'll get you up and running. Best wishes, Jonathan PS It could also be the case that we sent a mail with your copy details and it ended up in your spam folder. That happened a bit lately... |
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My UI keeps resetting to 12hrs, no volume, order book showing (instead of hidden) and left hand side all messed up. Basically it is reverting to a default UI. If I close and reopen this happens and it also happens at random intervals while using leonArdo, generally when hopping between different windows or minimizing and maximizing. I've been using leonArdo for a long time and never had the issue until lately. If any DPI changes happen this also occurs. I have deleted the C:\users\username\leonardo folder multiple times, restarted etc... but it keeps happening. I've been on the latest version of leonardo and it only just recently started to happen. I even uninstalled, downloaded a new build and reinstalled and still have the same issue. Where are the interface settings stored? I tried changing settings and UI layout while monitoring with Procmon and this is the sort of output I get (excluding SUCCESS events) but not seeing any sort of file that might be for UI unless it's in the state db - I need to find out if something on my end is overwriting or reverting it. https://imgur.com/MyBpuk3In addition, I just changed the theme from dark to light, sized all of my interface objects, set candles to 3day, then minimized restored the window and same issue - it kept the light theme but reverted all of my UI size changes. When minimizing, nothing happens in Procmon but when I restore the window I get 24 entries of "state.db-shm" being accessed as my changes are reverted. https://imgur.com/wsfHo8dNot sure what is going on there? We'll look into it. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Just purchased the software but cant login can someone update the downloads with my half secret I sent the email to support yesterday and today, no response yet.
pumaro
I think it's the weekend in Germany right now. I'm sure they will do new builds over the weekend but probably not all day like on week days. Thanks for jumping in. It's nearly midnight on Friday night, but I am still up for at least one more build run |
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Hey leonArdo team, is it possible to add the option to allow us to include USD from BTC/USDT chart into the Y Axis notation beside the current BTC/ETH pricing? For example instead of just listing 0.0013, we can set it to show 0.0013($5).
You want a dollar price shown in the chart for BTC/ETH? I don't like it. Jonathan |
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Can someone explain about min.effective gain? I don't understand what it does.
When I create a bot I set buying and selling windows and Eff.margin is calculated based on that window let say 1%
So if I put 1btc worth on that bot it will buy when price reach bottom blue bar and sell when it reach top and I will gain 1% of 1 BTC which is 0.01 BTC
What does min. eff. gain do in this case if I set it to -1, 0, and 1 % ?
If you set it a 0 it does nothing. If you set it at a posive value it will cause a sell as soon the coin price increase by that amount in relation to the buy. Ie, buy at 1.00 and eff gain 5%, then if price reaches 5.00 it sells regardless of the eff margin being 10%. If you set with a negative value it behaves completely differently from the positive values. First it the sell margin % has to fall below the buy price and then the bot starts creating sells orders at a loss up to the eff gain %. ie, you buy a coin at 1.00 and the sell margin was a nice 5% (so eff margin is 5%). The coin value would have to drop those 5% or more for the sell margin to be below 1.00 for the eff gain % to kick in. For positive what if min.eff gain is larger than eff.margin? would it wait until min.eff gain meet or sell at eff.margin For negative I still don't get it. If I buy at 1btc eff.margin is 5% and I set min.eff to -1 when will this take effect? when price drop to 0.95btc? How thats different from stop-loss % >> For positive what if min.eff gain is larger than eff.margin? would it wait until min.eff gain meet or sell at eff.margin The mArgin maker bot sets the price of the next buy or sell dependent on the current statistics - which change over time as new trades enter the trade window. That's the first thing. However, before the bot places an order it checks the Min effective gain parameter. Does placing the order violate the Min effective gain? In your case above the answer is yes. If you set a Min effective gain of 10% the bot has to place the order at a price that delivers a 10% gain, after trading fees, from the previous trade that went through. >> For negative I still don't get it. If I buy at 1btc eff.margin is 5% and I set min.eff to -1 when will this take effect? when price drop to 0.95btc? How thats different from stop-loss % Allowing the bot to make a loss, by setting a negative Min effective gain, means that if the bot buys but after that the price falls the bot can potentially continue to trade. To keep things simple, you set a Min effective gain of -1% and the bot buys at a price of 1 BTC. If the price drops below 1 BTC and never recovers, then without a negative Min effective gain it would never place another trade. With it turned on the bot has a chance to place a sell order as low as 0.99 BTC, which might mean it can make a number of trades thereafter which make gains. Of course there are no guarantees. It's different from stop-loss because stop-loss is an event that also stops the bot. That's your get out of the market because you are not prepared to make a single cent more of a loss than where you place your stop loss. |
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Hello and thank you for this great software. I'm really looking forward for the next update and its developed trend riding skills and the stop buttom after the last buy. However what i experienced in the past days and weeks is that Leonardo would stop working at a certain point (usually after 2-3 days) and crashes. My System is: Intel Core M-5Y10c, 8gb ddr 3, 64 bit Windows 10, Internet: 25 Mbit Leonardo: Bittrex, 30 pairs, 1 bot per pair, (MB:=450, 1/s= 10.4, kb/s= 320) My question is if it would be better to reduce the pairs for the sake of stability?  Also is this next update focusing on new features alone or is overall stability included? Thank you for your hard work and awsome support!  Thanks for your compliments. 30 bots is quite a lot. I'd try reducing the number to 25 and see how you go. Your system is fine. The next release will include stability fixes. The one after the next one will be focused on new bots. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Has anyone been able to show consistent profits?
I am at a loss so far. Maybe my settings for the margin maker are just crap.
I set my effective gain to 1% and sometimes the bot trades at loss.. I just don't get it.
Should i be setting my effective gain higher?
I really would not mind if the bot traded at 0.5% gains and conducted more trades.
As long as its showing profit per trade. I used to set it to -1 but i saw more loss then gains.
Idk maybe someone can PM me their settings or forward me to a videoguide idk.
started with 0.35 btc and its down to .3 btc over the course of a few days
Also, I dont want to discourage people from buying. The GUI in this bot is beautiful and its wayyyyyy better to use to make trades than to use the exchanges in my opinion.
I'm just doing something wrong
There are no perfect settings for the bot. However, if you set the Min effective gain to be a positive, there is no way the bot can a loss. There are a number of important options to consider like how long your order stays active for (max order age), whether you want the protection of stop loss, whether you want to allow the bot make a loss in the hope that future gains will be made (Min effective gain), the initial history trade window size, the initial effective gain amount, the relative (within the trade history window) buy and sell margin percentages. Do you want a fast acting bot making lots of trades and smaller gains or a slower mover making big gains? You can set mulitple bots, some high frequency and others low frequency, on a single pair. And if there is a pump and dump in action it might be wise to switch to manual trading. It definitely takes practice, no doubt about that. Using a demo market is a great way to try out ideas without getting burnt. Finally, we are working hard on a host of new indicator based bots (Bollinger band, MACD, EMA cross-over etc.) so it might be that you prefer those. First up is another release and then those new bots will be our main focus. Thanks for your kind words regarding the interface and good luck! Best wishes, Jonathan |
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