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1601  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 04:41:13 AM
I haven't been on the forum for a number of days and haven't really been following BTC closely.  What's going on?  Why is the price falling?

China banned it again.  Twice.  Also, there's no  future in the whole crypto thing; it turns out to be a ponzi scheme after all.  I'm  just buying a few to help out, for auld lang syne.

Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And never brought to mind?

on a serious note, I'm starting to wonder if bitcoin is the US secret escape plan for getting out of the current currency game.

they are starting to accumulate a large stake through stealing coins from bitcoin innovators like Shrem and Ulbricht.
1602  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 04:33:46 AM
Now is really the time to discuss 15m formations, lolololol
Cup&handle on the 1m spotted
reversed head&shoulder on the 3m
......

Chaos will enfold soon!


where do you think the bottom is ?



~350 in the next 18 hours

Long term bottom in the next months around 100$
 


Not sure id want to pay $350..   I'll wait for a better offer Cheesy

I would never ever buy in at this point, but we might stay there for a few hours/days due to consolidation.

Why not, I took a bite at 425.2

Chances for a bull trap (or trend reversal) are minimal right now.

trend reversal will happen at some point, or it will not.

it's like betting on a 1000 to 1 outcome.

this will either work or it will not. this moment in time is when you will choose your side.,
1603  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 04:23:30 AM
we like to talk about ideas like "freedom" and we (those of us in north america) like to think that we have freedom, but we do not.

we are subservient to our government, instead of the other way around, as it should be.

I get the feeling that the times, they are a changin'

1604  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 04:20:04 AM
Now is really the time to discuss 15m formations, lolololol
Cup&handle on the 1m spotted
reversed head&shoulder on the 3m
......

Chaos will enfold soon!


hiya fonzarelli, the chaos has not yet begun.

if anyone thinks this will be a simple and easy transition, they are sadly mistaken..

(that's only, like, my opinion, man)
1605  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 04:17:52 AM
Come on bears! Weak!!!

why is it all bulls are always in total denial in a sell off.  There are huge Bear flags forming, the lower trendline from March 4th indicates the price will go sub $380.  


I see a cup and handle pattern forming

but maybe that's just the bull in me Cool

I don't put much stake in lines drawn between highs and lows.

I would prefer a channel.

but I just don't think it's fair (or accurate) to draw lines touching on highs and lows...

I raise you a bear flag!


cool, but please explain why it's a "bear flag"

it looks like more consolidation to me, but I understand that my viewpoint is biased, and I appreciate contrary viewpoints.


just type bear flag into google Smiley

I got this from google > http://www.bearflagwine.com/

looks pretty cool, I think maybe I am a bear after all...
1606  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 04:13:28 AM
Come on bears! Weak!!!

why is it all bulls are always in total denial in a sell off.  There are huge Bear flags forming, the lower trendline from March 4th indicates the price will go sub $380.  


I see a cup and handle pattern forming

but maybe that's just the bull in me Cool

I don't put much stake in lines drawn between highs and lows.

I would prefer a channel.

but I just don't think it's fair (or accurate) to draw lines touching on highs and lows...

I raise you a bear flag!


cool, but please explain why it's a "bear flag"

it looks like more consolidation to me, but I understand that my viewpoint is biased, and I appreciate contrary viewpoints.
1607  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 04:07:44 AM
Come on bears! Weak!!!

why is it all bulls are always in total denial in a sell off.  There are huge Bear flags forming, the lower trendline from March 4th indicates the price will go sub $380.  


I see a cup and handle pattern forming

but maybe that's just the bull in me Cool

I don't put much stake in lines drawn between highs and lows.

I would prefer a channel.

but I just don't think it's fair (or accurate) to draw lines touching on highs and lows...
1608  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 03:48:29 AM
A bearish article about the mood of bitcoin traders in China:
(Possibly already obsolete after the deelopments of the last five minutes):

  比特币一月狂跌三成 甬城多数玩家清仓避险
  http://money.zjol.com.cn/system/2014/04/09/019956348.shtml

The title makes no sense under Google Translate but the body is slightly better.
Note again that "Wright" is "Lite"(coin).


Hi Stolfi

I think you should spend less time on newses and spend more time on this > https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Once you fully understand the implications, then you should look into the additional layers that blockchain technology allows for... > http://letstalkbitcoin.com/e99-sidechain-innovation/

When regular people begin to understand what is going on, they will DEMAND transparency from their gov't spending. blockchain tech allows for systems that cannot be corrupted. by removing the incentive for corruption offered by our current, centralized model, you will open the doors for honest, innovative people to contend for positions in governance.

I sincerely hope you will take a non-biased and open-minded look at this bitcoin thing.
1609  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2014, 02:09:15 AM
http://letstalkbitcoin.com/e99-sidechain-innovation/

I'd like to know what you all think about these side-chains. I apologize if this has been beaten to death already, but it's tough to keep up with this thread.

The way I understand this it kinda makes sense. you would just have alt-coins be side-chains instead. you simply cannot compete with the bitcoin blockchain. you can try to merge litecoin and doge all you want, but it's never going to approach the security level of bitcoin.

side-chains open the door for scalability without dilution of value.

I fear for those poor bears at times like these.



It may take many months, but it's coming...


(*edit*) very cool that it's episode 99 -- (99 = Gretzky = the greatest hockey player of all time, and it's not even close)  Grin
1610  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 08, 2014, 07:10:42 AM
who would have even guessed that we may be floating in the mid-$450s price territory for so long.  

I know this one guy....

No legit target during few years. Fuck it, I go away.

I think that it is a different story if an investor was in a position to cash out part of his stash in December 2013.. or had been analyzing what to do during that period mid-to-late 2013 period.  So for example if anyone got into BTC in any kind of heavy way before mid-October 2013, the quick bubble may have likely caused a considerable incentive to cash out part of the appreciation - yet many may have just remained "in for the long term."

Surely the January, February and March performance seemed to draw considerations that BTC prices would remain at higher than $450s resting price points.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20, but a very large majority of those would have pegged a much higher resting point than our current mid$400s.

And, i suppose, I could be just inviting some bears to chime in to say, I told you so regarding this current mid$400s price range....

As I already stated, I doubt that we are going to be hanging around here for too long.. and probably a bit higher would be more in line with current fundamentals or at least the probability of going up seems greater than going down.. despite current low volume..

Also, even though we know that graphs can be constructed to show that $450-ish is a good stable price point, i think that BTC prices are a considerable bargain at the moment and I am sure that quite a bit.. little by little is being snatched up at these price points by the future elite (to coin a phrase from another bitcointalk thread)

I think that 450 is a nice price point and I have bought there on the last 2 dips; this one, I am sitting out.

the point I'd really like to address is the part I bolded: I don't think there are many savvy traders that have remained "in for the long term" when we've lost 50% in what? 2-3 months?

I get the feeling that the next bump will be big, and I think many of those that sold at $1000+ were people that bought much lower, and they remember the ride, and would like to do it again.

just don't forget to take profits when the price goes in your favour.

:edit: "taking profit" is a term I used for NFL betting, that's where I learned to trade. and when you're up, you better take some profits off the table, or you will lose it all. (you can consider "profit" as either extra fiat for hookers and blow, or skimming extra bitcoin and saving it for a rainy day Wink

I agree with you completely about the need to skim profits in accordance with whatever scheme is comfortable for the investor.  My skimming will probably be in the form of reallocation of my total investment portfolio.. especially if there are gains in one area, as compared with another)..  So for example, if I had been into BTC in early 2013, then ended up realizing an unexpected 10 times gain, that may have likely triggered me to reallocate the gains into other areas.. .or maybe engaging in some consumption, as you mentioned.

My perspective remains somewhat skewed by the fact that I began investing in BTC in late November 2013.  Accordingly, my BTC portfolio remains in the red, even though I have been buying BTC as the price goes down in order to bring down my average price per BTC - which currently is around $640 - though I started at $1,200. 

When I got into BTC, I realized that there had been a recent and stupendous bull run, so that caused me to plan out my investment over the next several months... rather than sinking in a lump-sum at that particular moment.    Surely, in retrospect, there are probably ways that I could have played trades (or made my buys) in ways that would have caused even a lower average price per BTC.

At the time that I first got into BTC, I was also thinking that my BTC investment would likely run for at least 2 years, absent some catastrophic occurrence that may undermine the fundamentals of BTC with part of my motivation to diversify away from the dollar, since the remainder of my investments (which is a much larger proportion) are tied into the performance of the dollar.  I am sure that many of us in the bitcoin sphere realize the amazingly high level of printing press matters going on with the dollar and also some of the threats of US government shut downs, and those seemingly irresponsible governmental behaviors have caused me considerable concerns about having so much of my total investment dependent upon the ongoing value of the dollar - especially when I am also planning overseas travel.

So,yes, I do NOT have any major problem with floating around in the $450 range for a while - even though it would be a bit more comfortable floating in the black rather than in the red... but I have already banked on the possibility that my total BTC investment could go belly up.. so the worse case scenario would be if it kept going down and sucking out my money.... which I really doubt will occur based on the totality of what is going on with bitcoin and there continue to be lots of interesting value adding developments in the bitcoin sphere.

Unfortunately, I do NOT have any advice for you, JJG. Wink hehehe!! no? not funny? oh well Sad

this is why I don't do sales.

I can't lie very well, I can't tell you the future, I can't tell you that as long as you hold on to those $1,200 coins for at least a year, then you'll be just fine.

I actually shouldn't even be speaking right now, but I feel a compulsive urge to be involved in this thing somehow, and perhaps this is just my way of acting out, thowing a tantrum and all that.


I've always had the feeling that I would be involved in something great. maybe it's just a dream, a dream that everyone shares?
as far as price action? that is for traders, if you want to be a trader, then you can.

personally I think we are approaching some interesting times and I'm not very excited about some of the possible outcomes.
1611  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 08, 2014, 06:42:55 AM
Not a single trade in Stamp in the last 17 minutes. The site is up. Is the trading API down or simply no one is trading?

Just getting a coffee

not just any coffee I hope?

https://i.imgur.com/pU2lyce.jpg
1612  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 08, 2014, 06:03:44 AM
Does anyone else get the feeling like the dread is starting to sink into the last of the permabulls? I know that feeling. Maybe it's projection, buy I can almost hear the hope dying.

Probably gonna need a much worse situation than this... before the dread really begins to kick in... somewhere around 1 year of floating between $400 and $500 or maybe some additional downward movement slowly over the next six months bringing prices to lower $300 would begin to increase some dread levels.  

I'm thinking the circumstances are NOT quite dire enough yet, especially reviewing some of the history in which the price reduced to 1/16th... wow... we are NOT even close to that, yet.  Maybe we are getting closer to the 1/3rd reduction territory... so seems that there is a ways to go before dread really will start to materialize... I would think.

I meant permabull active traders with open orders. Guys like me staring staring at the graphs, wanting the arrow to move up like the way some rabid sports fans think that their team still has a prayer when the coach has already substituted third string players and the other fans are starting to leave.

never leave before it's over.  (*and never go full fiat*)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDbEX666G3Y

go oilers! Smiley
1613  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 08, 2014, 05:30:57 AM
who would have even guessed that we may be floating in the mid-$450s price territory for so long.  

I know this one guy....

No legit target during few years. Fuck it, I go away.

I think that it is a different story if an investor was in a position to cash out part of his stash in December 2013.. or had been analyzing what to do during that period mid-to-late 2013 period.  So for example if anyone got into BTC in any kind of heavy way before mid-October 2013, the quick bubble may have likely caused a considerable incentive to cash out part of the appreciation - yet many may have just remained "in for the long term."

Surely the January, February and March performance seemed to draw considerations that BTC prices would remain at higher than $450s resting price points.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20, but a very large majority of those would have pegged a much higher resting point than our current mid$400s.

And, i suppose, I could be just inviting some bears to chime in to say, I told you so regarding this current mid$400s price range....

As I already stated, I doubt that we are going to be hanging around here for too long.. and probably a bit higher would be more in line with current fundamentals or at least the probability of going up seems greater than going down.. despite current low volume..

Also, even though we know that graphs can be constructed to show that $450-ish is a good stable price point, i think that BTC prices are a considerable bargain at the moment and I am sure that quite a bit.. little by little is being snatched up at these price points by the future elite (to coin a phrase from another bitcointalk thread)

I think that 450 is a nice price point and I have bought there on the last 2 dips; this one, I am sitting out.

the point I'd really like to address is the part I bolded: I don't think there are many savvy traders that have remained "in for the long term" when we've lost 50% in what? 2-3 months?

I get the feeling that the next bump will be big, and I think many of those that sold at $1000+ were people that bought much lower, and they remember the ride, and would like to do it again.

just don't forget to take profits when the price goes in your favour.

:edit: "taking profit" is a term I used for NFL betting, that's where I learned to trade. and when you're up, you better take some profits off the table, or you will lose it all. (you can consider "profit" as either extra fiat for hookers and blow, or skimming extra bitcoin and saving it for a rainy day Wink
1614  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 08, 2014, 05:15:49 AM
Does anyone else get the feeling like the dread is starting to sink into the last of the permabulls? I know that feeling. Maybe it's projection, buy I can almost hear the hope dying.

mmm, not quite feeling the pain yet, maybe that is a sign we should go lower.

There is a thread ...

here it is, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551627.0

the point of maximum pain just does not seem to be here yet...

for me, there is no pain, I invested nothing, other than time and attention (ok, yeah, that is something) but this is just an experiment, you all must remember this!

don't get too carried away when we dip, don't risk more than you can afford to lose.
1615  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 08, 2014, 04:47:26 AM
who would have even guessed that we may be floating in the mid-$450s price territory for so long.  

I know this one guy....

No legit target during few years. Fuck it, I go away.
1616  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 08, 2014, 04:30:20 AM
+1. Discover debit cards are great, but that won't reverse the most populous nation on Earth losing access to buy.

They can still buy using bank deposits, just not with money via 3rd parties. Similarly okpay, dwolla and aurumxchange were all stamped on last year by regulators in the West.


This is my understanding as well. The banks may not partake in anything bitcoin. Payment processors are banned from doing business with any bitcoin exchange.

-but- I do not see any problems with banks wiring yuan to companies operating exchanges, yet.

My suspicion is that all the Chinese gov't really wants is to be able to watch and control the flow of their money, through the banks, and they're still loading up on gold as well.

My feeling is that they really don't understand what bitcoin means just yet, they are still focused on the currency wars going on in the "real world".

Quote from: billyjoeallen
I'm not so sure. The rumor is that bank deposits will be stopped also. I'm selling the bad rumor and buying the bad news. Until there is clarity one way or another, the uncertainty will weigh on the market.

If bank deposits stop, it will drive it completely underground. I think they prefer to keep a watchful eye.

If they don't really understand Bitcoin, then they don't know that banning bank deposits will drive it underground. You can't have it both ways. We do know that they banned another payment system that uses QR codes. Small exchanges are shutting down specifically citing this regulation. My point is only that there is uncertainty and markets hate uncertainty. The PBoC had weeks now to clarify and chose not to, even though price has fallen significantly.
ok, granted, they might try to completely outlaw bitcoin. I hope they do. Every attack against bitcoin will further prove its resilience.

honey badger don't care.
1617  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 08, 2014, 04:00:56 AM
+1. Discover debit cards are great, but that won't reverse the most populous nation on Earth losing access to buy.

They can still buy using bank deposits, just not with money via 3rd parties. Similarly okpay, dwolla and aurumxchange were all stamped on last year by regulators in the West.


This is my understanding as well. The banks may not partake in anything bitcoin. Payment processors are banned from doing business with any bitcoin exchange.

-but- I do not see any problems with banks wiring yuan to companies operating exchanges, yet.

My suspicion is that all the Chinese gov't really wants is to be able to watch and control the flow of their money, through the banks, and they're still loading up on gold as well.

My feeling is that they really don't understand what bitcoin means just yet, they are still focused on the currency wars going on in the "real world".

Quote from: billyjoeallen
I'm not so sure. The rumor is that bank deposits will be stopped also. I'm selling the bad rumor and buying the bad news. Until there is clarity one way or another, the uncertainty will weigh on the market.

If bank deposits stop, it will drive it completely underground. I think they prefer to keep a watchful eye.
1618  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 08, 2014, 03:35:19 AM
China's a bit "wtf now?" Smiley

still small volume though and as soon as it tries to break this line you will see massive resistance.  




huobi trying to come thru it

so close..

this chart reminds me of that long, sorry time, during 2012 when I was selling bitcoin for 5 bucks.

I'm not selling this time.
1619  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 06, 2014, 01:02:04 AM
the next dump could be brutal

For the dumper yes. Who would dump at these prices?

I just market sold 3 BTC @ $465.  If this shit continues, I'll double that and then double it again. Then I'll leverage short.

This doesn't make any sense. One should make decisions based on the current market, not "I am going to chase losses with leverage if I am wrong".

I made $400 today locked in. That's not "if the market holds". That's USD. and if the market keeps going up, I'll lock in more. I hope it does. I will have tens of thousands of dollars to jump back on the gravy train if a clear reversal materializes.

What exactly would be sufficient evidence or indication of a clear reversal?
1620  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 05, 2014, 10:47:30 PM


it's sneaking up like nobody noticed.

That trendline formed a lil wedge.

Did you switch to Bitstamp now that your upwards support line on Huobi has been broken?

Nice try!


Now that second chart (err.. third chart I guess, the very bottom one), looks extremely bullish to me. I don't know the terms but this guy on youtube told me that the more times you test a resistance level, the more likely it is that you will break through...

My gut is still uncertain, we could see sub-400 easy, but my mind is made up.
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