Not gonna play the Garza XPY guessing game. If the team isn't gonna present the information after questions were asked and asked with civility, o well. I'd like to see the project succeed but sadly this project feels like a carbon copy of the past XPY project.
Team ION doesn't want to be upfront and transparent. They want to make their XPY bag holders whole and to say "I told you so". Which is fucked up, but so be it.
True. If you really want answers, ask directly on slack and you'll probably will succeed |
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But stakers we 100% a part of the games? Well, Gravity at least.
Question: does it have to be stakers? It should work with QT staking wallets as well, to be fair to all. What more does a staker or staking wallet do beyond mint coins?
Stakers on ionomy.com got nothing to do with actual staking (POS). Those are just PNGs like hashlets/hashstakers. You can tell that by the fact that they have different APRs depending on certain conditions. Actual ION staking is constant and is not even APR-based but a fixed reward per block. Which is where the electrons come in AFAIK. They make your stakers stake more. That's why it doesn't work with your QT wallet. It's just a thing you add to your PNG to make it shit out more coins from the team's masternodes or the premine or wherever those coins are coming from. So the game doesn't need to be connected to the blockchain, it just deals in non-crypto tokens, that can be used on a certain website. The whole spiel about making crypto easy to use etc is just a smokescreen IMHO. They could do the same thing with coupons or points or whatever. Anyway, that's my take on it. I'm not a whale but on the other hand my speculation didn't cost you a bottle of scotch. Exactly, and to answer your question how to comply with Play Store TOS, there it is ;-) ^ If that's the case then it's not a very bright plan, is it? Let's say even if it was a hugely popular game, like PVZ or COC, how many players would really bother getting those electrons, register on some site, where they would have to buy some odd crypto currency, lock it up for months, so that they could redeem electrons to get 25% more currency that depreciates 50% in 3 months? Why not just sell in-game content or ads and pay the profit out as dividend to investors. No hassle for users. And if they think their convoluted electron scheme will somehow allow them to step around the various alphabet agencies I think they're in for a rude awakening. Not? I think that is exactly how it would/could work. You dont have to buy electrons, it is optional, probably using google pay or whatever. It is very common to buy ingame these days. You can buy all kind of stuff, also credits like farmbucks (farmville) or "gold coins" etc. I don't see how electrons would be any different? There have been big exchanges (like https://www.virwox.com) around for a long time where you can buy/sell all kind of game credits. Not crypto money though. I never heard one of these games getting into trouble with regulation on it? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Second_Life#Legal_position_of_the_Linden_Dollar |
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But stakers we 100% a part of the games? Well, Gravity at least.
Question: does it have to be stakers? It should work with QT staking wallets as well, to be fair to all. What more does a staker or staking wallet do beyond mint coins?
Stakers on ionomy.com got nothing to do with actual staking (POS). Those are just PNGs like hashlets/hashstakers. You can tell that by the fact that they have different APRs depending on certain conditions. Actual ION staking is constant and is not even APR-based but a fixed reward per block. Which is where the electrons come in AFAIK. They make your stakers stake more. That's why it doesn't work with your QT wallet. It's just a thing you add to your PNG to make it shit out more coins from the team's masternodes or the premine or wherever those coins are coming from. So the game doesn't need to be connected to the blockchain, it just deals in non-crypto tokens, that can be used on a certain website. The whole spiel about making crypto easy to use etc is just a smokescreen IMHO. They could do the same thing with coupons or points or whatever. Anyway, that's my take on it. I'm not a whale but on the other hand my speculation didn't cost you a bottle of scotch. Exactly, and to answer your question how to comply with Play Store TOS, there it is ;-) ^ |
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48hr VOLUME on Ionomy exchange is 9.5+BTC
IONs are being bought... Thanks to the Ionomy investors/community...
So instead of fixing the damn number ionomists now have sharkie trying to bend reality: I believe my number is not bending reality and reflects that IONs are moving at the Ionomy exchange... Today, the new volume is 6.4+ BTC on the Ionomy exchange... ION investors are doing more buying than selling... Who fucking cares really, no offense |
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Here are some images posted on slack of Gravity. The images are not impressive at all. Not sure about the game play though. But these images don't interest me that much. For all of the delays, I'd expect much better and rich graphics and game levels. This reminds me of Donkey Kong. They are trying, I'll give them that much. Well, at least it appears something is being produced. https://imgur.com/a/ONDW6Not sure how to make them visible here. Maybe someone else can? I think you nailed it, except for the donkey kong. It's just an extensive proof of concept imho. It can eventually grow over time, but it won't bring us Pokemon Go v2. I think you have to adjust expectations if so. In context of this topic, where 100 pages where about this project being a scam, I think we are making positive progress. One step at a time. And yes, I would like to see things go live. I dont even care about a few bugs. |
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Good questions Are the games 1 and done or will they be updated with new levels and bug fixes? If they will be updating and improving, what is their plan to handle that work load? As each game is released, the work goes up a bunch where more devs would be needed. Do they have this elastic capability? I'm genuinely interested in he game portion of the project, especially the development process.
Though I'm not related to team ION, I think you answered your own question. The coin, not so much. I'm not convinced it was needed. If the platform is the focus, as they keep saying, why not build the platform for another already established coin? Why not build it for DASH or Blackcoin, which they cloned from? It seems they wanted control of a very large premine, only reasoning I can come up with. I understand it would be a bit more difficult in he dev process having to interact with other coins devs, but DASH is quite established and the platform, if it comes out as they say, would really put DASH on the map. Gamers would love the privacy DASH provides as well as he quick transactions from the masternodes. I'm just still confused as he need for the coin. Was it just to make XPY bag holders whole again?
Yes, that could've been an option. I don't know the official reasoning, but: - dash is not pos, blackcoin has no masternodes and privacy functions dash have. Ion has both. - this way they can decide their own changes to coincode - decide on blockreward, supply, timing, staking rate etc - premine/ico funding for the project. Dunno if ratio would be the same if ico was in (existing) dash But - if using a existing coin could profit from existing tooling and ongoing development and community |
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Freedom of speech, fine with me. Everybody got their own way of telling their story.
He btw is not the face of ION. There's not ONE face. Neither there'a one truth :-)
Popcorn anyone?
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Happy to see that the ICO fund address did so many good. So what's next? xD
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With all that said, since we got some tiny bit of blockchain info I'll be dusting off my FAQ that got abandoned two months and 50 pages ago. First I gotta do some IRL work though so please play nice  geddit? "play" LOL how's that beta game coming? Ok, I'm going, I'm going. And I will ask to add the relevant ones to the Ionomy support's Q&A. We are all making this better bit by bit ;-) |
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Providing the single address would only prove a random wallet with many dollars in it. To verify this amount requires additional data that has only been released to the Whales and data computed from the Ionomy website at time of the ION ICO. I am sharing my approximate calculations and have never promised BTC addresses, as they have never been released by Ionomy management...
The single address is no good without the data for:
1) How much BTC was collected at ICO
2) The quantity of BTC converted to dollars (not all of it was converted to dollars)
3) The rate of BTC at time of conversion to dollars and
4) The address of the non converted BTC funds.
None of the funds collected during ICO has been spent on hookers or blow...
There is a Bitcoin address with dollars in it? That's a new one. And yes, a single address with the #1 amount would be good enough for a start. Can you post a scam-o-meter? So we can see if we make any progress xD 4% scam [□■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■] no scam 96% Huey posted the BTC address on Slack. Would that make any progress? ^ |
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Just to start the rumor. I heard those are done or almost done. It was said a "bunch of games" were ready after gravity to be released monthly. Possibly some less development-intensive games.
To kill the rumor, it was said, and is my personal vision, that Gravity is a proof of concept, and this project should not be about game development itself.
LOL what? Ridiculous backpedaling aside, what is it about then? Are third party games planning to take ION? I don't think they will be able to convince anyone to use their "platform" unless they do it all themselves. Seriously, did someone actually say on slack "proof of concept"? Can't stop laughing about that one. "Personal vision" And if you go by the roadmap and website you'll end up similair. But let's continue the search for prove of scam. Why are they still here? |
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well, midnight has come and gone in UTC so we are once again into that wonderful large portion of the day where the 24 hour volume listed on the ionomy exchange is inaccurate.
I wonder how long it will take for this error to get fixed. For reference, the typo I pointed out in the description of current "in development" game Urban Words in May still hasn't been corrected.
Wildshark, you seem to care about team ion. Have you pointed out these obvious errors to any members of the team? Any explanation as to why they can't fix a simple typo on their website or why there aren't enough attentive members of the ionomy to notice that typo and this obvious error and get it fixed?
Also, how is development of the other 2 games coming along? Urban Words and ionix have been in development just as long as Gravity, so I guess it will be easier to keep to the 1 game per month timeline after they get through this first one since they have been working on 3 games for so long and since it seems like the holdups are with tying the games into the ionomy, so it shouldn't be that hard to do that again for the future games.
Just to start the rumor. I heard those are done or almost done. It was said a "bunch of games" were ready after gravity to be released monthly. Possibly some less development-intensive games. To kill the rumor, it was said, and is my personal vision, that Gravity is a proof of concept, and this project should not be about game development itself. |
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lol, bittrex doesn't like this, polo either, only yoshit likes your ion. How much fund you have raised from ico?
Total amount of BTC raised from ION ICO: 363.79 BTC Just to give some context. 363 BTC x 500$ = 181500$ 181500 / 0.225 avg ico price = ~800 000 ion bought on ICO Currently ~135 masternodes x 20000 = 2 700 000 ion. Let's add 10% for ions not fully in masternodes, very rough total: ~3 000 000 active ions. I assume those ICO btc go into development. I think a week back it has been said ico btc were not touched yet. Just to show you the risk besides the potentials of owning a masternode. No investment advice. |
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lol, bittrex doesn't like this, polo either, only yoshit likes your ion. How much fund you have raised from ico?
Minimal 12 BTC |
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I will be away from the computer later on when the clock strikes midnight UTC, if anyone wants to test/confirm my hypothesis on what is going on.
It is currently 17:10 on August 23. Most people with functioning brains would expect the 24 hour volume on the exchange to be the sum of the volume of all trades since 17:10 on August 22, team ION apparently thinks that the 24 hour volume should include all trades from 0:00 on August 22, which would have been accurate 17 hours ago, but now contains the volume of all trades in the last 41 hours, and can presumably be up to 48 hours.
Again, the information is inaccurate, the only possibilities are incompetence or malice. It doesn't really matter which one, because investing in idiots or liars usually has the same result.
You are right. The high volume trading from 24h+ hours ago (11 btc) is still reflected in the 24h volume (13 btc). I remember I noticed it at launch too some time ago, but didnt really bother then. Would be nice if it gets fixed on the next update for Ionomy |
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So if I give a person $1000 and they give me back $0.50 a day, that is considered profit? I though t wasn't profit till you made your investment back?
WildShark, you are making daily profit? Profit after only 100 days? Guys, I think we are missing out here. I didn't think ION was this profitable.
Yes I have received $4.6K dollars since the start of this project. The IONs I used to invest in my Masternodes, CMN project and Staking wallet were a bonus I received from having 5220 Atoms at the conversion. My Ionomy staker investment was purchased at 16 cents with the PayCoin conversion, so I'm almost even with them. Their value will be determined by the price of ION in a minimum of 9 months. Until then, the stakers are earning me 70% APR... So you're dumping daily? Hater. I kinda doubt that you purchased your XPY at $0.02 a piece, and I'm quite certain the atoms weren't free either. But hey, if it makes you feel better keep counting the imaginary "profit". Great news shark, another masternode means your masternode will produce less ions over time since there is another masternode to compete with to earn those staking rewards.
All he wants is someone to buy his daily dump. I guess the relatively small reduction (e.g. 1% for each new node if there are 100 masternodes) is worth it although I'm too lazy to math this out. Winner :-D |
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Do these exchange market (volume) posts really have any relevant importance? Seems really irrelevant to me. Not much people involved, not much interest from pro traders, so what's the conclusion?
I am really interested what will come out in the next week. I kind of gave up on communication, q&a and transparency, but none the less if the api is going to be super awesome plus platform orientated (instead of game dev) i might hop back on. Ill sit it out from the side- lines :-)
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Games have enough trouble getting people to click "buy lives" on a game when it is hooked up to an account that has a credit card on file.
How much work it would take to get a random person who finds the game via an app store to be able to purchase ions to use to buy lives?
Thru payment gateways that should be quite easy, but as suchmoon noticed sometime back the TOS regulations could prevent this type of indication. Team ION indicated they've sold the problem, but still unclear how. There's none. Ionomy has become very private in development and coding, which is the main reason I bailed out for now. Cause may be related with the critism for example here. So I don't know if this may change after the game release. You use ION to buy ingame upgrades and stuff, like medpacks/lives, possibly unlock worlds. I know sometime ago the plan was also to start tournaments and stuff, but may be only future games. This is second hand info though, as I dont have access to the game or any direct information other than github and website. Dont pin me down on it ;-)
is that really the case? i thought that they will tie electrons to the games and not direct ION im guessing its a decision (untested one) to circumvent app store TOS's. next step is to say you cant directly transfer them to IONS or vice versa, but they will enable special staking rates. if they are trying to gamify this they might put some kind of timer on it to encourage people to gain these electrons with IAP's (and maybe tiny amount actually playing). with this strategy stores will get their full cut Well, I am not involved in any of this so I can't give you a definitive answer, but i heard we'll still have to wait some time until we'll see on electron-market (which are not on blockchain btw, so unlimited and 'free' to 'generate', which indeed could be to fullfill the TOS requirement...). |
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sorry for shitting up the thread again, back to the strategy of laugh and report.
How was the stream of the game?
Any semblance of a clue as to how the game is going to get outsiders (or anyone really) to buy IONs?
You use ION to buy ingame upgrades and stuff, like medpacks/lives, possibly unlock worlds. I know sometime ago the plan was also to start tournaments and stuff, but may be only future games. This is second hand info though, as I dont have access to the game or any direct information other than github and website. Dont pin me down on it ;-) |
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For the record; I just saw the game on livestream twitch shown by a member. So the game exists, it works, that i can conclude.
Honest opinion, how'd it look? Meet your expectations or didn't you see enough to accurately judge? Game looked smooth. I only saw two levels. Have to see if gameplay is interesting enough. I only saw the game without ION integration. API and game were built seperatly and are now being integrated. I have no clue for release date. Neither do I know why delivery was delayed. Just saw the game irl, that's all i know they hired game developers to code the game right? they didn't do it themselves right? Yes, i think they are hiring more than one atm. |
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