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1321  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: October 17, 2022, 08:13:13 PM
That's rough for RNG, covid hitting them hard today as they dropped 3 series in a row and they might end up in the lower bracket or maybe a tiebreaker for 4th since Team Liquid is still playing atm and I don't think they could sweep OG tomorrow on their last series.
-snip

Kinda wondering about this bracket tally though.



So hokori won twice and is 4th place alongside with RNG that won four times huh. Its kinda sucks I guess because in the end, they tallied everything by your win and lose record for the game instead of winning the game by 2-0 means nothing special at all

It has always been that way, for as long as I can remember. Besides, you just counted the wins of RNG, but you did not take into account the losses, that is 0-2 as well. RNG could been in higher rank if they did not lose 3 straight matches today. It is just unfortunate that they suffered these losses because they caught COVID, otherwise they could have easily contested EG in the top 1 position. They were at the top yesterday and posing to take the #1 slot until they were hit with COVID. Hopefully, they could recover but I doubt they can still make it to upper bracket. They may have to continue in the tournament in the lower bracket.

They'd most probably be under a special arrangement, although until when, that I will not be sure. Either they have to forfeit the tournament or Valve treat them like they are some kind of VIPs, but should they reach semi-finals, they had to be in the stage else Valve and the organizers will have to device a plan to ensure that the room will still be covered even if the players have COVID. It will be hard that's for sure.

I really hope they will be allowed to continue if they were able to reach the semis. But the problem is the crew that will be covering them will be exposed to covid. I do not know if Valve will allow their crew to take that risk.
1322  Local / Pamilihan / Re: NBA discussion, betting and etc. on: October 17, 2022, 04:31:26 PM
Hehehe, depende narin kay Green yan, kung hindi sya mabigyan ng max contract na hinihingi nya eh malamang umalis sya. Pero kailangan timbangin nya rin kung maibibigay o ma offer ng Warriors muna. Malay mo kung legacy sya, at willing syang i sacrifice ang salary nya para makapag champion ulit ang Warriors.

So tingin natin, matagal pa naman may isang season pa syang i proved kung karapat dapat sya sa new contract extension o i trade na lang sya kasi hindi nya gusto at maraming malaking offer sa kanya sa labas.

Pagkatapos ng season na ito, mayroon pa si Green na player option sa kanyang contract sa 2023-2024 season. Sa palagay ko, magandang pakiramdaman muna ni green ang market nia sa season na ito bago siya umalis ng GSW. Kung maganda ang feedback ng market sa kanya at sa tingin nia makakakuha siya ng magandang contract sa labas ng GSW, pwede na niang i-wave ang player option niya at mag free agent na. Ngunit kung mahina ang market nia, mas mabuti pang ipractice nia yung player option niya. At least may 1 year pa siya para patunayan sa ibang team na kaya pa rin niya maging effective sa pwesto niya.
1323  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ESports betting -CS:GO, DOTA 2, LOL, Valorant - Sportsbet.io discussion thread on: October 17, 2022, 04:19:26 PM
It seems PSG.LGD has breached the COVID protocols and they got penalized in games by reducing both picking and banning time ?? :O. This is huge for the deep games when they need extra time to re-think strategy but with time being reduce , they will have to move faster or they end up by random Gyrocopter like Spirit did  Grin.

But it did not stop them from sweeping 2 of their matches. They got an easy picking against Boom and RNG defaulted on their second game because of Covid issues as well.

Also , Somnus for RNG is sick and he's being isolated right now ... man...this is not what I've expected from day 3.
I think the whole team of RNG is now sick with Covid. I wonder how this will affect them in the next stage of the tournament. It is clear it already affected them today. They dropped 6 games in today's matches. They were at the top yesterday and now are in the lower bracket. It is a bad day for the Chinese teams.

EDIT 1 : and now problems for Liquid Matu ?? what is going on ?Sad

I am not aware of this issue. What is the problem with Matu? He performed very well in their last match today against Boom Esports. They even swept the match 2-0. If there is any issue or problem with Matu, it is not evident. He was dominating in that game.
1324  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2023 NBA Season on: October 17, 2022, 03:17:52 PM
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We are underestimating him too much, Green is a star player for a reason, of course, he will still be effective in other teams because of the coaching staff will make sure that once they acquire him they have a system that will fit for him, imagine giving him a max salary and not using him effectively, that's insane.

I do not know if other teams will offer him with a max contract though. In a year or two, he will be on the decline. Offering him max is just overestimating his value. I think he will receive decent offers but a max, I doubt it.

Not really underestimating him, it's his playstyle that will be difficult to insert into one team.
Then you have to consider this one as well when calculating his value in other teams. He is lucky he has Steph and Klay in the team, and Kerr as his coach because he fits too much in their system.


And like what you said, Zion also has outside shots that he can take if he has a good look. Regular season is
approaching, we will see good improvements from NOP with Zion playing.
Zion with an improved Brandon Ingram who carried the team last year and then CJ McCollum, it's actually a scary team.  Cheesy

... until you see him twitch his ankle again. Hopefully not too much this year.
1325  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: October 17, 2022, 02:56:27 PM
This sucks. The manager should really be penalized heavily for not disclosing that he contracted covid and it caused a chain reaction of events that led to this. Good thing I chose EG to win the bet, although for sure bookies would nullify the result since it's a no-contest match.

Valve and the organizer should also be more strict when it comes to imposing covid rules and health restrictions. They should have multiple swab tests too. But yeah, they're skimping too much on the funds.

I wonder how this will affect them after the group stage where they will play on the stage with other players. Will they be allowed to play?

If the players contract covid after they have done the swab test, then Valve cannot actually control it. Symptoms come out days after getting the disease. Unless you want them to get swabbed every day, there is no way of knowing it until the symptoms come out. It is the team's responsibility to make sure their teams are following COVID protocols and report immediately if symptoms appear.

OG is doing it again by having a flawless standing on 1st day and now they beaten badly by teams that performs very poor on first day. They are now choking and bandwagon fans is blaming Misha on all there loss while ATF is the real problem on there match. They already wasted there opportunity on the upper bracket despite they already have a good run on the beginning of the tournament.

So good to bet against them after I watch them losing on LGD. I’m impressed about Hokori performance and I believe they are now the dark horse on this tournament. Betting +1 with them on bracket stage is my next strat.

I think OG lost they chance to get to upper bracket when they lost game 1 to BetBoom. BetBoom is at the bottom of the bracket but they were able to beat OG. Too bad for OG, they needed that win to have a fighting chance for upper bracket. I guess they will start the playoffs from lower bracket and everygame will be an elimination game.

It might be safe to say LGD is the second team qualified for the upper bracket since they'll be facing BetBoom tomorrow for their last series, and worst case they drop one map against them.

BetBoom is fighting for their life when they face LGD tomorrow. They badly needed the win in order to at least have a chance to snatch the last seat for the lower bracket. We will see how they will fight tomorrow that their chance to continue in TI is on the line.


Good to see Last Chance Qualifier teams are doing good in TI. Team Secret is sitting at 3rd and Team Liquid is at 5 but they have a good chance to snatch the last seat for Upper Bracket.
1326  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: October 16, 2022, 11:51:53 PM
Why different penalty for different games? Why not same penalty for all three games? Never actually played DOTA so I don't know how big of penalty is loosing reserve time but it seems to me this could end up being a catalyst and firing them to even better performances.

You need that reserved time to come up with the plan as the drafts come out. If the other team is countering you hard, you need that time to think about the heroes to pick or ban. Unless you are fully prepared and you really know the other teams' weaknesses, you'll need that time. And rushing drafts can have a disastrous result. Some games are actually won by just out drafting your opponents.

I am also clueless about how they came up with the penalties and why not have the same penalty. My guess is RNG is above them in current rank and while the other teams are below them. 

Going with this single bet for the opening game on day 3 though, PSG.LGD needs to start racking up wins on their next games to make sure that they will get the upper bracket so yeah this could be it though

Hope you considered the penalties to LGD before you committed the bet. I am not sure if it will affect LGD, but RNG is quite strong right now. I am more inclined to a draw if not for a win for RNG.
1327  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2023 NBA Season on: October 16, 2022, 11:33:33 PM
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Or they are planning to trade a lot and some kind of rebuilding?  The Warriors people must be considering Curry's age factor and plan these moves accordingly, of course. I'm rather curious about where will GSW be in 5 years, 10 years. Of course it is very very hard to predict but I mean what kind of team they are thinking to build.
Some franchise broke their team to avoid high luxury taxes in the past but I doubt this is what the Warriors is planning. They will let go of other players for sure but their future line up is quite secured with Wiggins and Poole in my opinion. They will do just fine post Steph and Klay era.

Fortunately for GSW, they are raking in money right now because of Steph Curry. Fans are willing to pay high priced tickets just to watch them play. GSW will make more money than the luxury tax they are paying. It is still good business for them as long as they keep winning.

They do not have to break the team, but they do have to let go of some good players in order to make space for their young cores. Earlier, they let go of Gary Payton II even though he was really good last season, especially in defense. It still worked out for Payton though because he still got a good contract with Blazers. I just hope they made the right decision choosing Poole and Wiggins to anchor their future.

I'm sure Draymond Green won't exercise his player option next year and will finish his contract with the Warriors until becoming a UFA. I'm also speculating that we won't see any trades involving him in the off-season next year.

I wonder where would Green go after GSW. He is not actually a player that could produce by himself. He needs a good system that can exploit his talents and he needs teammates that compliment his playstyle in order to be effective.
1328  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Will you be influenced by your favourite celebrity? on: October 16, 2022, 10:59:48 PM
I see that it is sports betting. I will follow his bets unless I am sure about that bet myself.  I do my own analysis of the teams before I bet.

A celebrity betting on a team does not make the team better or make that team win. Maybe his fans are just into it just to support him but for me, it is my money, so I make the decisions where to place my bet.

I will not just follow a celebrity because I am a fan of him.
1329  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: October 16, 2022, 09:14:15 PM
So many DOTA games, really difficult to cover them all and make proper betting decisions. After loses on day one I had a better day with my main DOTA ticket hitting nicely and I was very close to land another long shot ticket as well. Still keeping it very low stake until we get to BO3 games.

That is my strategy too. I will wait until we reach the playoffs before I start betting on any team. For now, just chilling and observing which teams are more stable and have the meta down.
It's better to bet with confidence on the best of 3 series' than on this one on the group stages that only have two games. It's hard to beat those bets that a team would go 0-2 or 2-0. Because usually, they're going to have 1 win and tie at most times.
Day 2 has ended and RNG is at the top of Group A and for Group B, it is Team Aster. Well, just some Chinese teams again.  Grin
And with breaking news: PSG.LGD penalized by Valve at TI11 after failing to report COVID-positive staff

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For the series against BOOM Esports and Gaimin Gladiators, PSG.LGD will lose their reserve draft time.

This will surely hurt them. I do not know how fast they draft but if you lose your reserve time, you will be forced to have a quick draft. I hope they will come prepared for these matches so they can still win even with this disadvantage.

It will be a break for Boom though because they really need a win with the remaining matches that they have if they want to keep going in TI. They will surely take advantage of this penalty given to LGD.
1330  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: October 16, 2022, 08:34:04 PM
The game between Magnolia and Northport is already over, there's still 5 minutes left but a 20 points lead by Magnolia is already big enough, Northport cannot make a big run already to win. I'm disappointed with this team, they have a good start IIRC but now they lose consecutive games already with huge margins.

previous game was against TNT, 117-93 loss.

The teamwork of Magnolia is something that gives them the advantage by looking with their stats today you can define how good they move the ball, With the import that really contributing so well Magnolia is again one of the top contender just hoping that they will not choke again and lose games in the next round, too early to tell if they will be able to move forward and possible to have another title match series.


The locals are doing great. The ball is well-distributed, and they execute their plays really well. Combine that with a great defense and offense coming from their import, and they are really off to a good start. They are still unbeaten and continuing their hot start. I wonder which team will give them their first loss in this conference. Their next game will be against Ginebra but with the way Ginebra is going right now, I doubt they will beat Magnolia. Maybe down the line when they face San Miguel or the bay area dragons.

1331  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: October 16, 2022, 08:16:03 PM
So many DOTA games, really difficult to cover them all and make proper betting decisions. After loses on day one I had a better day with my main DOTA ticket hitting nicely and I was very close to land another long shot ticket as well. Still keeping it very low stake until we get to BO3 games.

That is my strategy too. I will wait until we reach the playoffs before I start betting on any team. For now, just chilling and observing which teams are more stable and have the meta down.



And just like that, LGD is in the top 4 of their group. After starting very poorly in this tournament, they turned it around by sweeping both OG and Liquid. They've shown that even if the meta is against their pool, they can still pull off and dominate strong teams. The next matches for them will be a lot easier since the matches left are Boom, Gaimin, BetBoom, and RNG.  It will be an easy win for them except maybe for RNG which I think they can still take a draw.



What is happening to Boom Esports. They still have to take a win in the group stage. They have been swept by OG, Liquid and Gaimin. And they split with Hokori and BetBoom. Their next matches will be even harder to win. They are lined up against LGD, Soniq and Liquid today. I fear they will be eliminated from this group stage if they do not keep their acts together. Are they exhausted coming from BTS tournament? They have no rest. From BTS they went straight to TI. They should have skipped BTS and rested to be focus for TI. It is just 16K prize compared to what they can win in TI. Their organization is working them like horses.
1332  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2023 NBA Season on: October 16, 2022, 05:49:14 AM
Looks like Jordan Poole got his bag. 140 million dollar contract extension.

A well-deserved contract in my opinion based on how he performed last year. It is clear now that GSW is gearing Poole as their next core when the current core starts to have their performance decline.

I wonder if this would have played out differently without the Green incident. This pretty much seals Green’s fate with the Warriors. They can’t afford to pay him what he’ll want without paying half a billion dollars in luxury taxes. Now we wait and see if Draymond gets traded, opts into his player option for next year, or is involved in a sign and trade.

I think, yeah, it could have been different if Green did not punch Poole. GSW could have waited for this season to finish before they offer a contract to Poole to see if he continues to have a stellar performance. But because of the altercation, GSW might lose Poole which forced their hands to offer the max extension.

~snip~

Let's just be optimistic that Zion is much different this time and fortunately, it was just a minor injury.
We are optimistic but some events can't be controlled and that's frustrating when I've heard it again but then suddenly turned into nothing to worry about.

I'm optimistic about him and the media and everyone's attention is on him.

I watched a video that explains that it might turn into a recurring injury for Zion because he sprained his ankle on his own. He did not step on any foot that could cause the sprain. If it is true, then we may see Zion getting injured over again unless he does something about it. He should take note of how Steph Curry solved his ankle sprain problem. Steph worked with a therapist to relieve the ankle of the stress and pass it to his hips. I do not know how it exactly works but it is worth it for Zion to explore this.


1333  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: October 16, 2022, 05:23:17 AM
This format with 5 matches at same time is impossible for me to follow. Can't wait for knockout stages where I can cover them easier.

Yeah this group stages format is just silly and kinda impossible to follow. Lot of games are played at the same time and there is no way that Im going to watch over an hour of replay for the games that I missed.


If you are betting you have to watch the replays because highlights are just not enough to see how good the teams are. I cannot follow all the games with this format. I just follow the teams I will bet on later in the playoffs. Hoping that I can collect enough information in the group stage to make decent bets come playoffs and finals.


Or they just don't want to give their all in the opening matches. Lost 2 bets on them today but I think XinQiu needs to wash his face once more Cheesy But yeah, day 2 and hopefully they bounce back and be stronger than what they showed in Day 1.
Well they can't be and worse tomorrow can they? Kidding aside, some though opponents for them tomorrow in OG and Liquid. Not really opposition against which you can count to take points.

Well, they are slaying OG right now in the first game of their series. They are 16K net worth ahead of OG and OG cannot do anything to come back on this game. PSG snowballed right from the start of game 1. It looks good for LGD. They need this win to move up in the standing.
1334  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ESports betting -CS:GO, DOTA 2, LOL, Valorant - Sportsbet.io discussion thread on: October 16, 2022, 05:01:41 AM
Regarding PSG ...I don't know man ...this is not their meta...

It is too early in the tournament, let's see as the tournament progresses if they will be able to recover from their bad start. They are currently playing against OG. This is a good measurement of how far they will go in this tournament since OG is one of the teams they might face in the latter part of TI. If they can beat or at least take a draw from OG, then they still have a decent chance to make it to the upper bracket. It will look bad for them though if they lose against OG since there are few teams left that they could beat.

1335  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Survey] Do you still play or stop the game? on: October 16, 2022, 04:47:09 AM
If you are playing gambling for example slots and you double money with just a couple of bets on very early part of your game. Will you stop already or continue playing to earn more?

I’ve been on this situation many times before and I keep playing until I get the entertainment that I want and to have more profit. But the result is always ended up losing everything because it’s very easy to increase bet if you knew that your money that you use is a profit.  Cheesy

I will still continue to play but this time I will keep my initial fund and just gamble with the money I won earlier. I am sure that if I won very early in the game, I am not yet satisfied or had enough of the game. I do not want to stop just because I won a large amount already, but I can control how much I am willing to spend. At the very least, I want to save the original fund. I also want to know how far my good luck will bring me.
1336  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: October 15, 2022, 03:25:31 PM
LGD is the upsetting team on this TI tournament. I believe they start weak this time and not there usual style on international competition.

I feel like it is better this way. In previous years, they started very strong and dominated the entire tournament but always failed to secure the championship. They are getting figured out. Now they started weak, hopefully they can finish strong because we know that even though they are losing, LGD is still a very strong team. I hope they win this time around.



Anyone watched Boom vs RNG? Game 2 is ridiculous. RNG is not winning team fights, so they focused on demolishing towers and barracks. It is 70 minutes of gameplay where Boom cannot leave their base because if they do, the bear will wreck their base. The combination of Lycan and Druid demolishing barracks was epic. The barracks were like 3 hits against the bear. It is upsetting and funny at the same time. Have not seen that strat for a very long time.
1337  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: October 15, 2022, 03:11:46 PM
Meanwhile, we have ROS vs TNT, looks like we now see a sure winner as TNT is already ahead by 18 points.

TNT would win this game, another blowout win by TNT, thus far, TNT is the most consistent team now, waiting for the time to see them playing either SMB or Ginebra to see if they really are that strong. Oftana is such a huge steal by the TNT, this team is now becoming more dangerous specially outside.

I do not know what happened to RoS import. He is not playing today. Does anyone know why the RoS does not have an import? RoS locals still fought valiantly even though they know they cannot beat a powerhouse without an import. The game is too one-sided.

How about the game tomorrow? SMB VS Bay Area Dragons at 4:30 PM.

Sadly there's no facebook like, so we have no choice but to watch it on cable TV.

No betting odds yet as of the moment but tomorrow for sure we will see the odds.
Anyone here have a guess of the possible handicap?

It will be an interesting game. They are the stronger teams in PBA right now so seeing them clash would be a treat. I would be betting for SMB if June Mar is playing but somebody said he is already ruled out in this game. Very unfortunate but we have to live with it. Hopefully we can see them play against each other in the playoffs so we can see June Mar go against the giants of Bay Area Dragons.
1338  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: October 15, 2022, 02:50:01 PM
This day is full of games and of course, gives too much excitement for the betters at the same time fan of Ti11 in Dota 2. Who makes a bet between the match of EG vs LGD for sure many people lose their bets because of an unexpected event happens the Bleed blue manage to win with the uncrowned king of the finals and it is great to trust again with the EG and good to know that they didn't pick storm spirit again for Abed for another time, they make a new meta with the primal beast mid.

Great start by EG. They are undefeated today on the first day of TI11. And they did not just defeat any team, they completely annihilated OG and PSG.LGD 2-0 easily. I did not expect that. I thought beating LGD was a fluke but when I watched them against OG, wow, they are at a completely different level this year. They are on point in every aspect of the game. Out drafting OG and out playing them in the game. If they keep this up, they will easily be the heavy favorite in this tournament. Is this finally the year Fly will win an Aegis?
1339  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: October 15, 2022, 12:51:13 PM
Called it last minute. OG @ -0.5 is a gem. True, BOOM Esports is one hell of a team but I haven't really watched them win a long, dragged-out fight. That Naga farming so fast whilst his teammates were being battered by the snowball from BOOM seemed like game 2 was over, but all they needed was a good song and a good pick off and they just win the game. 15k net worth transfer in just one fight. OG is DISCIPLINED this starting game especially Ammar who never got caught loads of times by getting greedy on the map.

2-0, I also stole the draw in Liquid v RNG. So far so good!

I watched this game, and I was impressed by how OG handled the game. Boom was leading in kills, but they cannot lead in net worth. The support of OG was impressive in creating the space for their carry to farm and get back in the game. They know their objectives and timing. They know when the games drags into late game, they will have the upper hand and true enough they won. Impressive DOTA by OG.

[...] Guys, have you seen the bracket B as of the moment? Although the day hasn't ended yet but looking at the standing of the teams there.

They're all 1-1.

Well, this is just for now but later will be changed as the games are still ongoing.

It is just the first day of the group stage. That tie will eventually break when the strong teams face each other. There is nothing special there unless that tie remains when we reach the fourth day of the group stage.



It is hard to watch the group stage. So many good matches playing simultaneously. Can't choose which stream to follow. Anyone having the same predicament?
1340  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2023 NBA Season on: October 15, 2022, 12:28:08 PM
In any case, if the Pelicans want to perform well this season, they'll need to find a way to keep Zion safe from those kinds of injuries.

Is there any thing that the Pelicans can do to keep Zion safe?

It's already on Zion to make that possible.

Even the Pelicans can put Zion on load management to reduce the risks of being injured, what if at the time he decided to play, the injury happened? Aside from that, if the Pelicans, let's say have a hard time catching up with the standings next season to keep their playoff spot, they need all the help they can get and that includes allowing Zion to play no matter what.

Exactly, injuries happen, and it is part of the game. They cannot control it if something unfortunate happens to Zion. But they can reduce the risk of it happening. I think the most effective way is that they control his training so that they can be sure that he is always at the top of his health when playing.

I've watched their game today, though i did not managed to finish it, but I can say their team chemistry did not get affected by the issue with Green and Poole. They played well both offensively and defensively despite of the loss against the Nuggets. So, many fake news and fake rumors circulating in the internet today regarding Draymond trade, but no I don't think the Warriors would do that. They look great this season with a couple of guys stepping up their game, and the chances of the repeat this year is quite high.

I haven't watched a single game this pre-season. It is good to know that their chemistry is still intact even though the altercation happened between Poole and Green. They need to bring back the same chemistry that they had last year if they want to successfully defend their title this year. There are plenty of strong teams this year not only in the west but also in the east. They need all the help they can get from their roster.

Those rumors are usually just click baits. They are just taking advantage of the situation to get more clicks, likes, and money.
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