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1801  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2014, 08:14:20 AM
According to my graph below we are still at a higher price per bitcoin than would be predicted with an R squared of >0.9


Fitting trend lines to historical prices may give heart-warming plots but is not useful for predictions, unless the trends reflect some underlying fundamental variable.

Exponential trends may be caused by "infection" in a new market: as more people invest in it, the more the item is mentioned in the news and spreads by word of mouth.  Or they maybe due to the company growing, hence opening more stores/factories/products/whatever, hence growing even more. The exponential growth stops when  that market is saturated, there is no more room for the company to grow, or something else happens (e.g. devastating news) that turns investors away. 

In that chart I see three separate exponential trends, but since they are shifted (P(t) = A*Q**(t-t0) + B, instead of just P(t) = A*Q**(t-t0)) they do not look straight in the log plot. They span

  (1) from ~Jun/2012 to ~Jul/2012 (~2 months)
 
  (2) from ~Jan/2013 to ~Mar/2013 (~3 months)

  (3) from ~Oct/2013 to ~Nov/2013 (~1.5 months)

I can only guess about the underlying causes of those exponential growth periods, but the last two seem to coincide with the opening of the Chinese markets: (2) by BTC-China in Hong Kong, (3) by Huobi and OKCoin in the mainland.  Perhaps (1) is the opening of the European market?

I would guess that in each case the trading population grew exponentially because it was driven by the "infection" process above.  Perhaps (2) stopped by market exhaustion?  Spurt (3), as we know, stopped because of the PBoC decrees.

So, the apparent  multi-year exponential growth in that graph is actually due to three successive market opening events, each much bigger than the other, spaced roughly 8 months apart.   Each gave a shifted exponential, instead of a pure exponential, because it was added to the strady-state of the previous ones. 

To continue that trend, it would be necessary to have another "market opening" event, even bigger than China's.  Itseems unlikely that a large country like China, Russia or India will remove its barriers.  Perhaps the "new market" will not be geogrphic but economic/social (say, Walmart accepts bitcoin, USA declares Bitcoin legal tender or whatever). Who knows.



I agree that the trend is shifted upward due to those few peaks, but as bitcoin becomes more widely accepted I can only imagine other similar events in the future, such as the people of a small country adopting bitcoin for all transactions (whether or not the government makes it the official currency). Either way the overall relationship is very strong and I know it will effect where I think bitcoin is headed. To each person their own opinion/predictions, but I'm throwing mine out there. The fundemental value that I'm attempt to project is the rate at which bitcoin price will increase based upon the rate of public acceptance and usage of bitcoin, which is also supported by your claim that those few peaks are from the opening of new exchanges (public acceptance and usage).

By the way isn't trending historic data the root of almost all chart analysis?
1802  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2014, 07:05:10 AM
China's slice of the total volume increased slightly from 88% to 89%.
Their zero fee exchanges can churn thousands more btc than normal fee charging exchanges. [ ... ]

Of course.  But they do have that much volume, just as an exchange with higher fees or other handicaps may have less volume.

Obviously there are other useful measures, like book depth order, etc.  It would beinteresting to see them tabulated and compared.

Nevertheless, Huobi and OKCoin do seem to have greater liquidity and stability, a narrower spread, etc..  They do seem to lead the market most of the time.  So volume, independently of the reason, may be an important variable after all..


That volume is most likely just bots exchanging and re-exchanging the same coins even for a possibility of a 0.00001% gain since there is no fee. Does high volume of exchanges keep the price more steady? I think so because it creates a more baseline value of each coin at that moment (multiple "people" buying/selling around the same price). Are they the ones that lead bitcoin price changes? I don't think so, I really think they are reactive to other bitcoin markets which involve more human transactions, even if it means that their bots have large and quick responses to subtle changes in the other exchanges making it appear although they lead the exchange price. Just IMO.
1803  Economy / Speculation / Re: Lyth0s Bitcoin Price Trending and Speculation on: March 18, 2014, 06:58:14 AM
There is now a $18k wall and a $92k wall at 603 on btc-e. I suspect the $92,000 wall is a fake, the $18k wall may be legit. If not for those two walls though btc price could hit $600, guess we will just have to see if the walls are legit or not, I suspect they will be tested within the next 2-8 hours.


Edit: the $18k wall disappeared, but now another $49k wall is up. I'm going to stop tracking this minute by minute for a while and we will just see where the market ends up in the morning.
1804  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2014, 06:53:04 AM
Bitstamp prices now match btc-e prices as I stated Smiley

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=518871.msg5758585#msg5758585



I'll be doing another analysis of the market within the next two days or so. But I still expect the $550-590 range before we start another upward trend.

According to my graph below we are still at a higher price per bitcoin than would be predicted with an R squared of >0.9

1805  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2014, 06:00:45 AM

Odd that we don't see you here all the times you guess wrong...

When did I guess wrong? That is my first prediction thread ever as far as I know...It's also the first time I've published my opinion online (GeekCipher).
1806  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2014, 05:50:08 AM
If there is one fear I have is about Bitcoin becoming irrelevant due to some superior technology but I think we have some time until that happens.

I think we have a very long time until that happens.  

I remember when I was first learning about bitcoin in March 2013.  People would say how this alt coin was better because it had faster block times, or that alt coin was better because it was proof-of-stake and used less mining energy.  Or this coin has demurrage to prevent hoarding or that coin uses ASIC-resistant hashing, or this coin is "Turing complete."  What I've come to believe is that this was mostly attempts by alt coin pumpers to appeal to newbies.  It seems to make sense that a "second generation" coin would be an improvement, but the more I learn, the more I believe that there are no fundamental problems in bitcoin that can be solved by alt coins and design changes.    

I've now spent months researching bitcoin at the technical level and I never cease to be amazed at Satoshi's genius.  He seemed to give great thought to every detail.  

My only criticism (and perhaps I'm missing something) is the way the ECDSA signatures are included in the transaction hash (which contributed to the transaction malleability problem).  But maybe there was a reason for this too that I've missed.  Nevertheless, we should have malleability eliminated over the coming years.  

Tell me if I'm wrong but wasn't malleability known for years and more of an issue with how the programers of certain exchanges verified that a transaction was sent (the lazy way of just checking the transaction hash)?
1807  Economy / Speculation / Re: Just moved half of my funds off Bitstamp back into nice safe and warm Bank Konto on: March 18, 2014, 05:47:48 AM
TraderCJ, one good thing about Bitcointalk is that you can fuck whenever you want  Grin

Slightly off-topic (and nothing personal), but a surefire way to tell who non-Americans/English are is how casually they throw around the f word. Unless you know the person well or are extraordinarily angry about something, it's a huge sign of disrespect. I feel like it's the least understood English curse word--it has so many functions yet it's very taboo in colloquial speech.

You surely haven't had conversations with lot of Brittish people. The F world is one they use for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I actually use it way too much since I got myself into English football forums and don't feel particularly proud on that  Undecided. And don't say it's football fans, everyone there is football fan.

We swear a lot here on Balkan but Brittish are champions in that department.

I suppose it's different everywhere, which is interesting. Admittedly I'm not much of a sports guy. In Michigan we don't use it much (except when we're drunk with close friends) Cheesy

So I was right with my mid-west comment Smiley

I personally don't like to use it much either, its simply to harsh and automatically puts everyone on the defensive. No one reconsiders their viewpoint on a topic with someone cursing at them
1808  Economy / Speculation / Re: Lyth0s Bitcoin Price Trending and Speculation on: March 18, 2014, 05:34:05 AM
Well on BTC-e there are no buy orders all the way down to $608, which can be broke to $606 with $5,000. On bitstamp you're right there is huge support at $615.71   BTC:48.45300000    $29,833.00. But with that being said I've noticed that bitstamp has been following btc-e prices for the past 36 hours, so I presume that bitstamp will be lower tomorrow.


Edit: also if you look at market depth on bitstamp, there are wayyyy more asks than bids.
1809  Economy / Speculation / Re: Just moved half of my funds off Bitstamp back into nice safe and warm Bank Konto on: March 18, 2014, 05:24:15 AM
TraderCJ, one good thing about Bitcointalk is that you can fuck whenever you want  Grin

Slightly off-topic (and nothing personal), but a surefire way to tell who non-Americans/English are is how casually they throw around the f word. Unless you know the person well or are extraordinarily angry about something, it's a huge sign of disrespect. I feel like it's the least understood English curse word--it has so many functions yet it's very taboo in colloquial speech.

Or a way to determine if someone lives in a big city vs the rural midwest is how conservative they are with their profanity Tongue
1810  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2014, 05:19:05 AM
Yeah following my predicted correction to $550-590 here: http://www.geekcipher.com/technology/bitcoin-price-prediction-march-2014-through-july-2014/

My prediction thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=518871
1811  Economy / Speculation / Re: Lyth0s Bitcoin Price Trending and Speculation on: March 18, 2014, 05:16:51 AM
Yep bitcoin down to $606, $590 incoming.
1812  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why do people still think we can make it past 1000 anytime soon? on: March 18, 2014, 04:30:09 AM
Buffet once said - trading is process of redistributing wealth from least patient to most patient  Wink

I like that statement for many reasons.

To the OP: If you agree with the fundamental improvement of bitcoin over our fiat systems it would be easy to see why its value and price is/will be over $1000/coin/
1813  Economy / Speculation / Re: Just moved half of my funds off Bitstamp back into nice safe and warm Bank Konto on: March 18, 2014, 04:27:45 AM

Why am I announcing this in speculation?


Because you're permanent bear
1814  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will you still have bitcoins when the USD price hits $5000 on: March 18, 2014, 04:26:11 AM
I will also be doing something similar to the SSS plan and thus will also always have bitcoins.
1815  Economy / Speculation / Re: Lyth0s Bitcoin Price Trending and Speculation on: March 17, 2014, 11:32:18 PM
Bitcoin price is downtrending, currently at $615 on BTC-e. We may indeed see the $550-590 area in the next couple of weeks as indicated by my prediction
1816  Economy / Speculation / Re: Saw the future on: March 17, 2014, 11:28:16 PM
In the beginning business will convert btc into fiat, but the more business that accept bitcoin the better. Once enough business accept bitcoin (even if they turn it into fiat in the beginning) then your typical business such as the bowling alley can then make purchases in bitcoin to their vendors. For example the bowling alley needs pizza supplies, if they can only pay for the pizza dough in fiat, then the bowling alley needs to convert some btc into fiat. However, once the pizza dough company also accepts bitcoin (whether or not they turn it into fiat) then the bowling alley doesn't need to convert that btc into fiat, they can just accept bitcoin and buy all their supplies in bitcoin.

Then you tack on electric companies accepting bitcoin, and rental company and salaries all in bitcoin, and then BAM - no more need for fiat Smiley


The above post is not well organized, but the point is still clear, more people accepting bitcoin leads to decrease need for fiat.
1817  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2014, 06:27:19 AM
Who thinks the situation in Ukraine will spark something in the bitcoin price?

Do you think the Ukranians have the infrastructure to use bitcoin in times of war? I dont, I dont think it will be useful in war. However, there may be a few millionaires/billionaires in Ukraine or Russia that want to protect/hedge their fortunes. but why haven't they already done so?

Because it only has gone down over the last few months. That in combination with nothing but scams, hackers and crooks and no sane, rich person would put his money in Bitcoin. Not exactly rocket science.

Nailed it!

A sane rich guy would put his money in whatever asset was resistant to seizure if seizure was his primary concern.

It would have to be resistant to seizure and resistant to price crashes. For it the investment could easily hit $0, he may as well just have it seized.
1818  Economy / Speculation / Re: Prepare for March 16 Dip on: March 17, 2014, 06:00:54 AM
Well if there is no dip on March 18th (16+2) then that is the end of this discussion and anyone can just /ignore him hehe (I'm sure people have already done this anyways though)
1819  Economy / Speculation / Re: Prepare for March 16 Dip on: March 17, 2014, 05:52:02 AM
Well technically he told us his friend had a mental illness...."he is autistic". Autism comes with mental slowing. What he meant to say however, was that his friend is a savant, whether or not he is also autistic. But that simple error alone was enough information for me to disregard anything he said afterwards.  
1820  Economy / Speculation / Re: Prepare for March 16 Dip on: March 17, 2014, 05:44:09 AM
cosmotard

I assume by deleting my post you agreed to our 1btc bet ....

So here we are and no dip ...so pay up biatch !!!

Or do u need 1 more day for your +/- 2 days ...ok I ll be back on the 18th with friends to collect my money  Cool

Cosmofly obviously loaded with BTC and has powerful friends in BTT. Everyone post with critcism got deleted even mine. I even posted pic of his beautiful girlfriend but that got deleted.

Reminds me of the mighty repitelia same used to happen!



This thread isn't self moderated, how did your posts get deleted? Forum Mod?
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