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Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour!
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on: May 20, 2017, 10:46:35 PM
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I did some maths... and if the number is really fair, the average roll will give 2-3 cents... (If you would roll 100,000 times, it would probably be 2-3 cents average). How is this profitable for you? 2 cents would mean you have to get $20 per thousand visits to have enough money to pay your users... But how does that work? Really... I'm curious... Is it simply because most users lose it all in the Multiply BTC or is it some dark secret you don't want us to know?
How did you arrive at 2-3 cents for the average roll? The top Free BTC roll prize is $200, it's fixed along with all prize levels below it, regardless of the price of bitcoin. Lmao... I understand that it's all fixed. That's how I arrived at 2-3 cents (I did it in my head and my head isn't that exact  ) the exact value is: $0.027137, so basically 2.7 cents. I can show you my calculation if you want.. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JtwnXVjswztX0gVzqffW0gaKppQyWGG_dl4Kcnt6HDg/edit?usp=sharingThat's the document I put clear calculations in. Use my ref links for +25% more earnings btw, -Panda Trump If there are 6 available prizes, being the maximum 200$ 0.1$ st the moment, and each prize is divided by 10, the you have 0.1/0.01/0.001/0.0001/0.00001/0.000001 then, it would be 200$/20$/2$/0.2$/0.02$/0.002$, and that 0.002$ is the average roll on every user I don't get what you're trying to say... 0.002$ is the average roll on every user? That's nonsense. $0.002 is like the base roll and because there is a chance on the higher prizes, it adds to that base roll. On average, you will hit the $200 every 10,000 rolls, so you basically get $0.02 (2 cents) every roll you play. It's simple maths bro. If you roll 1 million times, I'm pretty sure you would get ~27k worth of moneys It's not at all guaranteed that you will hit the $200 every 10,000 rolls, but I just want to add my 2 cents to that "~27k worth of moneys" thing. You can make a freeroll every hour so you have 24 free rolls per day at most. 24x365=8,760 free rolls per year. You'll need 114 years to make 1,000,000 rolls.  I wasn't saying you would be making 27k/day, rather that you would gain that in total if you rolled 1 million times. Therefore the average roll reward would be 2.7 cents ($0.027)... I did some maths... and if the number is really fair, the average roll will give 2-3 cents... (If you would roll 100,000 times, it would probably be 2-3 cents average). How is this profitable for you? 2 cents would mean you have to get $20 per thousand visits to have enough money to pay your users... But how does that work? Really... I'm curious... Is it simply because most users lose it all in the Multiply BTC or is it some dark secret you don't want us to know?
How did you arrive at 2-3 cents for the average roll? The top Free BTC roll prize is $200, it's fixed along with all prize levels below it, regardless of the price of bitcoin. Lmao... I understand that it's all fixed. That's how I arrived at 2-3 cents (I did it in my head and my head isn't that exact ) the exact value is: $0.027137, so basically 2.7 cents. I can show you my calculation if you want.. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JtwnXVjswztX0gVzqffW0gaKppQyWGG_dl4Kcnt6HDg/edit?usp=sharingThat's the document I put clear calculations in. Use my ref links for +25% more earnings btw, -Panda Trump If there are 6 available prizes, being the maximum 200$ 0.1$ st the moment, and each prize is divided by 10, the you have 0.1/0.01/0.001/0.0001/0.00001/0.000001 then, it would be 200$/20$/2$/0.2$/0.02$/0.002$, and that 0.002$ is the average roll on every user I don't get what you're trying to say... 0.002$ is the average roll on every user? That's nonsense. $0.002 is like the base roll and because there is a chance on the higher prizes, it adds to that base roll. On average, you will hit the $200 every 10,000 rolls, so you basically get $0.02 (2 cents) every roll you play. It's simple maths bro. If you roll 1 million times, I'm pretty sure you would get ~27k worth of moneys Lol, I don't really see your maths. If just by pure chance the provability to hit the lowest prize is 98.85%, how is it not going to be the average income per roll on every user? You have to be a really lucky bastard just to hit the 1k prize (0.99%) and moreover to hit it repeatedly. And adding an example (in my acoount) I have about 2000 free rolls and that has given me aprox 450k satoshi. If you multiply it by 5 (to reach the 10k rolls you mentioned before), you would get 0.02 BTC and 0.02/10.000 =0.000002 =0.002$ Bro... I didn't say "what reward will you get most of the time"... I said "the average roll reward". So: if you roll 10,000 times, you would on average get 9885 rolls on 0.2 cents, 100 rolls on 2 cents, 8 rolls on 20 cents, 4 rolls on $2, 2 rolls on $20 and 1 roll on $200. So on average you will get 9885*0.002+100*0.02+8*0.2+4*2+2*20+1*200=271.37 every 10,000 rolls. So the average roll is 271.37/10,000 = $0.027137 = ~2.7 cents Is it really that hard to understand simple maths? It's not that it is difficult to understand, it's about you facing it the wrong way (didn't mean to sound mean). Let's put a different example: Suppose you have 10 tickets, with numbers 1 to 10 in each. Each number has a prize. Numbers 1 to 7 go to prize A, 8 and 9 to B and 10 to C. If you took one ticket, the higghest chance is of getting A (here goes the key to our misunderstanding) if you don't put that ticket back, after 10 trials you would have earned A 7 times, B 2 times and C 1 time (this is what you say). But if you put that ticket back, after 10 trials, you don't neccesarily have to earned those same amounts (could be 9 A and 1 B or whatever). Now, applying this example to the website, and using the definition of average, 100 sathosis is the average income per roll (0,002$). What you say is not based on statistics and provability, just in having perfect numbers without taking the facts into account. (on average would mean the sum of each free roll divided into those free rolls, not the numbers you would get having each prize once) |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour!
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on: May 20, 2017, 10:21:46 AM
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I did some maths... and if the number is really fair, the average roll will give 2-3 cents... (If you would roll 100,000 times, it would probably be 2-3 cents average). How is this profitable for you? 2 cents would mean you have to get $20 per thousand visits to have enough money to pay your users... But how does that work? Really... I'm curious... Is it simply because most users lose it all in the Multiply BTC or is it some dark secret you don't want us to know?
How did you arrive at 2-3 cents for the average roll? The top Free BTC roll prize is $200, it's fixed along with all prize levels below it, regardless of the price of bitcoin. Lmao... I understand that it's all fixed. That's how I arrived at 2-3 cents (I did it in my head and my head isn't that exact ) the exact value is: $0.027137, so basically 2.7 cents. I can show you my calculation if you want.. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JtwnXVjswztX0gVzqffW0gaKppQyWGG_dl4Kcnt6HDg/edit?usp=sharingThat's the document I put clear calculations in. Use my ref links for +25% more earnings btw, -Panda Trump If there are 6 available prizes, being the maximum 200$ 0.1$ st the moment, and each prize is divided by 10, the you have 0.1/0.01/0.001/0.0001/0.00001/0.000001 then, it would be 200$/20$/2$/0.2$/0.02$/0.002$, and that 0.002$ is the average roll on every user I don't get what you're trying to say... 0.002$ is the average roll on every user? That's nonsense. $0.002 is like the base roll and because there is a chance on the higher prizes, it adds to that base roll. On average, you will hit the $200 every 10,000 rolls, so you basically get $0.02 (2 cents) every roll you play. It's simple maths bro. If you roll 1 million times, I'm pretty sure you would get ~27k worth of moneys Lol, I don't really see your maths. If just by pure chance the provability to hit the lowest prize is 98.85%, how is it not going to be the average income per roll on every user? You have to be a really lucky bastard just to hit the 1k prize (0.99%) and moreover to hit it repeatedly. And adding an example (in my acoount) I have about 2000 free rolls and that has given me aprox 450k satoshi. If you multiply it by 5 (to reach the 10k rolls you mentioned before), you would get 0.02 BTC and 0.02/10.000 =0.000002 =0.002$ |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour!
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on: May 20, 2017, 04:42:22 AM
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I did some maths... and if the number is really fair, the average roll will give 2-3 cents... (If you would roll 100,000 times, it would probably be 2-3 cents average). How is this profitable for you? 2 cents would mean you have to get $20 per thousand visits to have enough money to pay your users... But how does that work? Really... I'm curious... Is it simply because most users lose it all in the Multiply BTC or is it some dark secret you don't want us to know?
How did you arrive at 2-3 cents for the average roll? The top Free BTC roll prize is $200, it's fixed along with all prize levels below it, regardless of the price of bitcoin. Lmao... I understand that it's all fixed. That's how I arrived at 2-3 cents (I did it in my head and my head isn't that exact ) the exact value is: $0.027137, so basically 2.7 cents. I can show you my calculation if you want.. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JtwnXVjswztX0gVzqffW0gaKppQyWGG_dl4Kcnt6HDg/edit?usp=sharingThat's the document I put clear calculations in. Use my ref links for +25% more earnings btw, -Panda Trump If there are 6 available prizes, being the maximum 200$ 0.1$ st the moment, and each prize is divided by 10, the you have 0.1/0.01/0.001/0.0001/0.00001/0.000001 then, it would be 200$/20$/2$/0.2$/0.02$/0.002$, and that 0.002$ is the average roll on every user |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour!
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on: May 19, 2017, 07:51:48 PM
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They are giving aprox 0.01% daily interest (400.000 satoshis get 40/day) and the rest of the faucet keeps on being the same. You also get a 25% on your referals daily interest
Thank you for clarifying this key point. The interest rate is 4% APR, which stands for Annual Percentage Rate (i.e., the amount of return you receive after 1 year). We pay 1/365th of that 4% each day so you start getting paid immediately and so your interest paid then earns interest going forward. Well it's not so difficult to believe in then.
It's more or less the interest rate you get from a bank in fact ^^
A bit more in traditional banking to be honest.
Exactly! And it's a lot more interest than banks are paying in many western countries. The EU is talking about negative interest rates. And in the US interest rates are at 1% or lower. It's not aboout being paid more tham with banks, but of seeing a fair system that you can control, you have no contract and can decide when to start earning and when to stop doing so |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour!
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on: May 19, 2017, 01:36:28 PM
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Hello, I'm new on this forum and also a new member of FreeBitco.in... I was wondering if the bonus is still available if I post my bitcoin address here. In that case, here's my address: 12X4zaVX1MJVFUSoYtREHLx5nHeyKDJipn
Randomguy, we have something better than that bonus now available - we pay 4% annual interest, paid daily on balances over 30,000 satoshi! If you need a link you can see my signature. Join us! Paid daily at 4% annual interest rate? You can withdraw how you want? Then it's... Not possible. Or at least I don't see how it can be. That's just a trap to get your money invested and then leave with it ^^ They are giving aprox 0.01% daily interest (400.000 satoshis get 40/day) and the rest of the faucet keeps on being the same. You also get a 25% on your referals daily interest |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour!
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on: May 19, 2017, 11:27:18 AM
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Hello, I'm new on this forum and also a new member of FreeBitco.in... I was wondering if the bonus is still available if I post my bitcoin address here. In that case, here's my address: 12X4zaVX1MJVFUSoYtREHLx5nHeyKDJipn
I think there is no such bonus as of now. You can go the site and claim every hour free Santoshi. It is a good site for newbies to have some free bitcoin in hand but remember don't play the hi-low game on this site because their house edge is very high. Soon you should find other ways to earn more bitcoin for the time you spend online because these faucet incomes are very low. I'd love to hear about them, because it's been almost a year since I enetered the BTC world and my only incommes have come from faucets and a bit of currency exchange, and the vast majority of it was lost at some point gambling.... (which has happened to everyone I guess) One year is quite long already. You should have picked up other means of earning bitcoins from this forum already like a by joining any signature campaign. This faucet money is quite less for the time you spend. And if you want to earn money then don't go to gambling because most likely you will lose money at the end. Don't think that everyone is gambling and losing all their earning. Clever people gambling with small amounts and rest of the money will be investing in other products to grow money. I don't know if its relevant to stay for so long in this site while as we can see this site can give us undecent profit and that profit cannot truly help us on some important matters. But if he's staying their for good and for just fun only then nothing wrong with that decision truly aslong as he didn't came to the point that he thinks to deposit for more to play longer. Well, no I just make some rolls sometimes and just for the lolz but nothing involving serious gambling or sth similar. If I have stayed here for so long, it's mainly because I usually have few time, and one free roll every hour meets somehow my spare time plus I have some referals.... To be honest, I'd heard about signature campaings, but my status is still newbie and I actually don't know how to join one (or even how to recognize one :/) Yet, I'm always open to learning sth new |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour!
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on: May 18, 2017, 08:43:40 PM
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Jeje guys, it's funny to read here that you've lost 1 BTC or 0.01 BTC ... i lost much more and now i have a lot of debts because lost on freebitco.in about 6BTC. I don't know what to do somedays, there is no way to life. Day by day i feel bad and really i have no idea to life... https://i.imgur.com/LAKb0YO.pngThere were a lot of cases with me on this site during my 8 months of gambling. For example, i've won 1 time in the lottery... about 0.02BTC. Heh! Taking into account that i've invested 12 BTC into this site - these 0.012 BTC is NOTHING! Or another case: one time i've lost all my balance which was a little bit more than 1 BTC only with 1 BET... you're asking me why? Because i've pushed "min" button but freebitco.in has thought that i wanted to push "max". Nothing funny guys, i remember that night perfectly... how was i crying all night long. And i remember the strong desire to write to admin and tell him that this is unfair! But i didn't. The only thing i wanted that night is to kill myself   I can tell you all night long regarding my sufferings which freebitco.in has brought me. Now my life is terrible, i have no money, i have a lot of debts and i have no desire to live... Sorry all, there was a cry from the depths. I didn't want to register here when i was reading this theme in previous several times but now I could not stick it any longer Yes this is my fault but not only mine... I know that it is hard that you lose so much with the current price because with current price 6 btc really means a lot for me so I never go that much just to gamble it with such high house edge. You need to be strong, because you know that, it is gambling and in the long run you will lose if you can't control yourselves. Are you used up all your money and take some loan just to gamble? This is really wrong thing to do dude But here what I got positive feedback from you, that is someone did win their lottery back. At least this will help everyone that gamble here (including me). Thanks anyway for sharing this BTCevo, thank you for support! Yes, I used up all my money and also took loans. Not at once but day by day I have loose all. The purpose was to win back my first large loose but I didn't won in the end of each attempt and I've deposited again and again. Finally I loose my last money. I've deposited even my last 2 salary payments. These situation is continuening almost 3month, I'm not able to pay by loans.. I had 8 years clean green "credit history" but now... it is pretty red. The life is terrible now, I'm not sleeperg more than 3 hours, I'm just thinking regarding debts, collectors call me each 15 minutes but not only me but also my mum which had got the brain attack as a result... I'm near to loose also my job because of I was late for work for many times because I sleep a little because of my debts because of loosing all money because of.... this is the chain... my life was perfect, i had all I need, but now it is nothing! I loose all and near to loose everything(((( sorry guys , please sorry for my speech but I can't anymore. Sorry again! I'm sorry to hear that,it is always sad when someones life is going to dogs because of gambling addiction but it is not freebitcoins fault,but yours you should not have gambled what you could not afford to lose also freebitcoin's dice offers ridiculously high house edge compared to the rest of dice sites (5% compared to 1%) and if you tried to research you would never have spent 6 bitcoins playing it you need to stop right now and seek help,before your life turns into nightmare for real I don't say that this fault is freebitcoin's. And i didn't want to make anyone think so... This is only my opinion and my story. I like very much this site and i was gambling only it (a little bit on bitsler). But it's unfair to invest so much money and to loose all... Some people complain here of their lost 100 000 satoshi. I don't want to ask for something here, i just want to share with all my unhappy story. I completely understand they don't care regarding my poor 6 BTC but for me even 1 BTC is a money especially within given situation. I think that the best thing to say here is that no matter what, the house always wins |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour!
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on: May 18, 2017, 01:39:17 PM
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Simple...After a week of being ignored, I posted here and was met with hostility and lies by Wetsuit.
So I am maintaining my position until these lies and personal attacks against me, a customer of your site, is ended.
MD
Yeah, Mindragon, let's talk about lies. Here's your first PM to me stating that you lost 1 BTC and want it refunded: http://imgur.com/a/RDFfU~snip~  It was really not clear about the bonus Even you thought rules are not clear you decided to use bonus? What did you expect, they will give you 1btc free and if you lose it you will still have your 1btc? Really?  Don't forget that he was going to announce the website's annual interest to get new referals and gave that as a strong point for the website to return the 1BTC  |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour!
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on: May 18, 2017, 12:17:21 PM
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Hello, I'm new on this forum and also a new member of FreeBitco.in... I was wondering if the bonus is still available if I post my bitcoin address here. In that case, here's my address: 12X4zaVX1MJVFUSoYtREHLx5nHeyKDJipn
I think there is no such bonus as of now. You can go the site and claim every hour free Santoshi. It is a good site for newbies to have some free bitcoin in hand but remember don't play the hi-low game on this site because their house edge is very high. Soon you should find other ways to earn more bitcoin for the time you spend online because these faucet incomes are very low. I'd love to hear about them, because it's been almost a year since I enetered the BTC world and my only incommes have come from faucets and a bit of currency exchange, and the vast majority of it was lost at some point gambling.... (which has happened to everyone I guess) |
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Economy / Speculation / Re: How realistic are the $1M Bitcoin predictions?
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on: May 16, 2017, 08:31:14 AM
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I've seen a lot of hype around certain people predicting Bitcoin will be valued at $500,000.00 to $1,000,000.00 in the future. If Bitcoin reached $1M, that would mean 1 Satoshi would be equivalent to 10 cents USD, which could raise some issues for rounding with smaller transactions if Bitcoin gets a much wider use in the future, which could open up a whole new bucket of confusion with scaling. Would Bitcoin start being divided even more? Such as with fractions of a Satoshi?
I feel that $1 Million is a bit high of an expectation, but at the beginning $1,000.00 seemed unreal also.
So what do you guys think is a realistic "best case scenario" value for Bitcoin in the future? $10,000? $100,000?
im not believing it, if its happen, i think bitcoin will be known by government, they will limit our earnings they will put taxes on us, i believe in $5000-$10000 but it will took a way long run, it will takes years before it will be happens. And how is the Government supposed to put taxes on BTC?? |
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Economy / Speculation / Re: How realistic are the $1M Bitcoin predictions?
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on: May 15, 2017, 09:39:18 PM
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and possibly if prizes grew that much, I believe that the saatoshis would be fragmented to make it reachable for everyone, and making us "senior" users (because when that happens that's what we'll be) kind of rich out of the blue (and faucets)
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Economy / Speculation / Re: How realistic are the $1M Bitcoin predictions?
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on: May 15, 2017, 09:04:03 PM
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We all agree Bitcoin is headed for the moon, but let stop mixing day dreams with realities. Such staggering value as $1M per Bitcoin and for an instrument the governments dubbed the favorite of criminals, would never be allowed to become that formidable and render all fiats irrelevant and valueless.
and how would they do that? removing internet access worlwide? |
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Economy / Economics / Re: Tell me your predictions about Bitcoin
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on: May 15, 2017, 09:00:56 PM
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I believe that it will hit 5.000$ in a really short period of time before going down to 1.800-2.000. To prevent the network from stopping I think that some governments/banks might start building huge mining farms to keep the network alive, much against the idea of being decentralized though
So you mean to say that bitcoin will touch the price of $5k directly from and then it will fall back to $2k? And if you feel so then your statement doesn't make any sense as there is no scope that bitcoin can achieve that high price in this quick time. well, yhat's my guess anyway. And who would have expected it to hit 1700$ a month ago? I know there's a huge difference in the quantity but speculation is what it is.... |
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Economy / Speculation / Re: How realistic are the $1M Bitcoin predictions?
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on: May 15, 2017, 08:59:25 PM
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With the current trend, 2k target is very likely, 4K is quite likely in 2018. 10k may be possible before 2020 if capacity issues are solved successfully and main stream start to accept it.
If I remember well, 6k bitcoin price equal to 1% of investment in gold flow into BTC.
Anything beyond that means BTC must be hugely successful and the whole world in looking to buy it, like in the unfortunate situation of war or collapse of a major currency.
Trump in the USA, Putin in Rusia, the Korean situation... doesn't that look like a war about to begin? |
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Economy / Speculation / Re: How realistic are the $1M Bitcoin predictions?
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on: May 15, 2017, 07:06:28 PM
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There's no way to predict the future. But one way to figure out how realistic it may be is to do some math to see what levels of adoption would be needed for the demand to drive the price to those levels.
We have an estimate X bitcoin owners today and Y bitcoins outstanding/mined and Z price per bitcoin.
So there's a relationship between X and Y to Z. If you change Z to $500,000 or $1,000,000 and solve for X you can find out how much adoption and demand would be needed. To get even more precise you should change the level of Y to reflect a future supply of bitcoin that would be higher than it is today, the effect of which will slow the price growth to adoption rate a bit.
The real challenge in the math is estimate how many users there are. There isn't good data on this, however we do have good data on the number of wallets open (currently at about 13.5 million).
Even if you google "how many people use bitcoin" you'll get an incredibly wide range of answers. In this case, take the lowest and highest estimates and create a range for your math.
Once you have a range based on the math you can determine how likely (or not likely) it is to reach that range of adoption to drive the price to $500,000 to $1M.
Maybe there's 10M bitcoin owners today. Could that number get to 100M? Absolutely, and if supply did not change than that would (in theory) raise the bitcoin price by 10 (so $20,000). Assuming no increase in supply, but another 10 fold increase in owners from 100M to 1B we (in theory) could have a bitcoin price of $200,000. We're only a fifth of the way to a $1M price per coin and we need just less than a fifth of the world's population to get there. This also assumes that each user maintains their current holdings and isn't buying more.
Another assumption to factor in (and one that makes reaching the price beyond this basic math more feasible) is considering how many businesses own bitcoin. Businesses can drive the price way up because they often have greater resources to buy the coin!
The discussion can get quite fun when we start talking about the math!
And with supply are you taking availability into account? The maximum number of 23M bitcoins circulating around the world |
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Economy / Economics / Re: Tell me your predictions about Bitcoin
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on: May 15, 2017, 06:47:55 PM
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I believe that it will hit 5.000$ in a really short period of time before going down to 1.800-2.000. To prevent the network from stopping I think that some governments/banks might start building huge mining farms to keep the network alive, much against the idea of being decentralized though
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Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour!
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on: May 15, 2017, 05:19:20 PM
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I've recently seen an app on Google Play called "Free Bitcoin 2017" that is identicall to this website. I've already sent an email to support as (at least me) I have not received any newsletter announcing an app. My claim is that it is a fake app created to steal our passwords so I just wanted to wanr you in case it is a fake or to have some comfirmation on the legitimity of this app.
So support has just comfirmed that they have launched no app. Please, watch out (newbies and not so newbies) to this kind of scam looking sites. I saw several Freebitcoin.in apps on Google Play, but there are no official app of this faucet. But majority of such apps made not to steal our passwords or other bad things. People created these apps only to get referrals on Freebitco.in and other faucets. They also earn money from advertisements on app. But it's always better to access faucet via browser, and don't use third part apps. This is also i wonder why when I try to browse on app store the freebitco .in app so many applications showed up . So this is really the reason behind those apps. As for me before and up until now I'm still using the browser instead of using apps, just because i find it easier for me and I also think that it is more risky when I'm using what you said third party apps. Anyway, I don't know if I'd trust my password to a third party app, that I don't know who belongs to and granting almost full access to my phone... (now that we've seen a big show of ransomware) I dunno if that is the most appropriate thing to do |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour!
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on: May 15, 2017, 01:13:27 PM
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I've recently seen an app on Google Play called "Free Bitcoin 2017" that is identicall to this website. I've already sent an email to support as (at least me) I have not received any newsletter announcing an app. My claim is that it is a fake app created to steal our passwords so I just wanted to wanr you in case it is a fake or to have some comfirmation on the legitimity of this app.
So support has just comfirmed that they have launched no app. Please, watch out (newbies and not so newbies) to this kind of scam looking sites. |
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