Well, I happened to be a bit drunk and on the mobile site, so I did just input the numbers and scroll down to the confirm button

There we agree, and I am kind of flattered you consider me that smart.


Of course I'd be angry about it, I do currently have some user owing me 0.05BTC since last year, but nothing I can actually do there.


Right was I was going to propose, to see if you and direwolf would agree that's something reasonable. I believe it is, and I have admitted my mistake (and I think I won't joke around anymore to prevent getting another hot potato like this one)

Y como me lo veía venir, la patata caliente me ha explotado en toda la cara.... En vez de esperar unos días como puse en el primer mensaje, le he devuelto los fondos esta misma tarde, ya que han empezado a sonar las campanas de "estafador" en mi contra. He tenido la buena suerte de estar de cañas cuando esto ha ocurrido, y al hacer el calculo mental de cuanto enviar, he enviado unos 20k satoshis de menos.... (3 USD aprox). La sorpresa me la he llevado al llegar a casa y ver que había dos sendos negativos en mi trust por esto mismo

a ver como se desarrolla esto, pero me parece que me va a salir cara la bromita....

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Bueno, si a alguien le interesa; parece que todo ha quedado en un (gran) susto. En el hilo original se ve una gran parte de la discusión, y aquí se ve el resto de como ha evolucionado la cosa.

FFS, are we really going that way? I was having some drinks with some friends at a bar, when withdrawing I saw fee was roughly 3xxx, amount he sent was 0.003, so 30-3=0.0027. It didn't sound off when doing it, and since it was not something "urgent" or "pressing" I didn't really double check with a calculator. My bad there I guess....


If my intentions had been malicious, I would not have repeatedly said "0.03 for 0.015" on every message I sent from the begining, I would just say it once, never mention it again until payment was (obviously) not made full and the I'd have started bitching around how he didn't send me the money or something. I honestly didn't expect him to go as far as to send me any BTC, and when that happened I turned to consult two other members that had been active in the discussion, since those funds were doing me no favour. Also, if my intentions would have been malicious, I would have not returned any single satoshi....

My god, a double red neg over 20k satoshi? I thought I had made myself pretty clear a couple of times about not really wanting to be involved with those funds, this started as a joke/experiment but ouch....

Every PM that has ever happened between salek11111 and me is here. When I was transcribing it, I realized I may have been a bit too harsh on said user; since I had a personal problem which prevented me from actually closing the deal. Nevertheles, even if the deal was canceled on the last moment, I've still received no refund of any kind, and salek still holds to the coins I was meant to sell on his behalf.

That is quite the point of me opening this; even if it was "my fault", I'm the one that has been damaged 

Nailed it.


The funds are at my freebitco.in account, and the next slow withdrawal will be in 3 hours.


Yup, that was actually fun  but life goes on...

In case anyone is still wondering why LFC_Bitcoin has turned out to be quite accurate with the red tag rather than a neutral one (as I suggested in the thread itself), take a look at the thread he mentioned, more precisely to this quote


And as I also said in the first thread, Quickseller/LFC please, don't derail this into a personal thread

(email and password snipper for obvious reasons)
























(still waiting, LOL)

I expected to be a normal token transfer, with him sending first (because of the red tags). Maybe I was naive, but what's done can't be undone.

I'll post a thread on the archive (not to spam anywhere else) and link it to this post with the whole PM conversations. It may take a while. I'll make quotes, to see the timestamp, but I'm not sure that will be enough evidence to support the flag

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5158337.0

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I've transcribed this far; but there are still a couple of pages on my PM's to copy-paste. Be advised, you are going to read a lot of stupid things on both ends

Yeah? I do know that, but I don't see how it is related to my comment. We are not complaining about self-bumps, we are complaining about necro-bumps and posting to say nothing relevant

Welp, I did not know about this...

Even if at first I thought that red was a bit overkill, after reading it I've changed my mind. red should stay there.

31 for me then! Thanks for letting us know about this and doing giveaways out of the kindness of your heart

31-Csmiami

He did repay a no collateral 0.5BTC loan, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1596878.msg46228816#msg46228816, not so sure about him using sig campaign funds for that though

This should go on reputation rather than on Meta (I believe).

I do remember the thread, and I also remember that this was said

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Disagree, if the user is trusted enough/the lender trusts him enough; there would be no problem with no collateral-loans (Darkstar offers a no collateral loan service)

7-Csmiami

Yep, I have just created the flag, but needed the thread first.

As evidence.... I do still have the  shi-ton of PMs, but not quite sure if that will be enough.

This would be the original post by which I started talking to him.

I am aware of the many mistakes I made at a whole, that's why I expect no return and this thread was only meant to support the flag.

Last year's March, I reached an agreement with user Salek11111. In said agreement, I would be taking over his Yobit account, and placing sell orders for the YOVI tokens he had bought, but didn't know how to sell.

Since the process is slow, we did agree to me "buying" the coins, so that in the long term, when everything was sold, I could withdraw the benefits. We decided to split the payment in 2; one upfront (0.05BTC) and a second one of 0.028BTC once I had the YOVI tokens in my account. This was fine at first; I had access to his account, but the market is slow AF, and he started getting very nervous, constantly asking me to give his money and so on.

A year and quite more has passed, and I still don't have the tokens in my power. Yobit has done nothing about the situation, my support ticket has been open ever since, and I'm not sure I about whether he created one. I no longer have access to his account to place sell orders, because Yobit asks for an email code every time I try to log in, and that code is sent to salek's email.

I did at a time ask him to return the 0.05, to call off the deal and that I would instruct him on how to sell the YOVI, but as you may imagine, that is not an option "since I no longer have the money".

I don't think I'll get anything back, not BTC nor YOVI, but since the flag system has been introduced, this is meant to go to create a flag, because he didn't complete his part of the deal, I have no access to no YOVI coin, and thus, I have not yet paid the 0.028 he demands.

No fue exactamente el caso; desde el primer momento si que asumí que se trataba de un erro al escribir un 0 de menos, pero sentía curiosidad por ver como se desarrollaba la cosa, por eso mismo


que esto ocurriese en reiteradas ocasiones (seguidas) no fue algo aleatorio. Encima, creo, que en eso se puede ver que mi intención no era timarle los 0.003 que envió, sino más bien ver la poca atención que prestaba (ya que no es algo que oculte para ganar intereses ocultos con letra pequeña) al creer que iba a conseguir algo de dinero.

Sin embargo no se quita lo absurdo de pedir un préstamo por X si ya tienes una pequeña parte.....


En realidad ese Feedback negativo venia de sus anteriores 2/3 hilos pidiendo el dinero; curiosamente su versión cambiaba de una a otra y eso causo que le llovieran varios negativos

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Dichos hilos son:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157633.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3600129.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3063983.msg51574131#msg51574131 (el resto de sus mensajes fuera del quote estan borrados

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5158122.0 y este de premio; acabo de caer en el titulo del OP y resulta que ahora soy el Padre del foro

The whole thread is actually mental; this quote summarizes it quite well, but I'd suggest you read it on its whole.


And that was supposed to be the transaction ID

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Before you judge, NO, I'm not going to keep the funds (maybe it was my fault for not witing enough times 0.03 for 0.015)

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Edit: I have just realized that the subject of his "retaliation" thread is the following:

Let's take this example: I believe this reply was not needed and provides nothing new to the discussion. Why should I feel another way about it? What was your porpuse when posting it? Why was it necessary for you to bump the thread?

Anoche se dio esta curiosa situación en el subforo de Lending (prestamos) del foro principal. En versión resumida, un usuario que había estado previamente pidiendo dinero sin ningún tipo de garantía (collateral), inundando varios hilos de préstamo sobre como tenia un grave problema de que pokerstars no le dejaba retirar si no hacia un deposito, y que en vista de que nadie le daba un euro, abrió otro hilo solo para quejarse del mundo; decidió cambiar de plan: ahora el daba un pago por adelantado, y el prestamista mandaría el resto.

Todo bien hasta ahí, pero resulta que por error, puso un 0 de menos. Con este error la situación era la siguiente: el mandaba 0.03BTC por adelantado, y el prestamista mandaba 0.015BTC como préstamo.  El trato ideal, verdad?

Obviamente a la hora de hacer la transacción del pago por adelantado puso lo que en origen quería haber puesto, 0.003, y al darse cuenta de su error, todavía anda despotricando por ahí.

Si bien ahora mismo los fondos están en mi posesión, en unos días supongo que se irán por donde han venido. Sin embargo lo absurdo de la situación me ha hecho reflexionar sobre si realmente está bien "timar" a alguien que tiene intenciones de hacer lo mismo.

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