Dear Yifu,
Your personal and business conduct is deplorable. I am a customer and I feel robbed by your "company". I hope your silence and failure to deliver your time-sensitive product on time was the right move for you. These forum people are pretty pissed off. Did you do the same thing to your Chinese customers? Is this the supposed "mafia" that's after you? Based on your past posts and treatment of customers, I'm not surprised. Why are so many Avalon chips for sale through Alibaba? Why did you fail to answer a single pm or ticket or whatever for 1+ month, while your orders were late? No one here believes your story.
Good day,
Customer-you've-lost
He is probably a traitor to begin with, helping send the BTC tech and money to China - help out the homeland. |
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I bought chips in batch #6. I don't fault you or zefir the slightest bit. What's this guy going to come up with next, that this is some sort of a plot by Burnin and BKKCoins and Terahash and LSD, and AlphaHPC, and Bitcentury, and all the others that invested development time and cash for parts into board building?
And which batch did he buy chips in? None of them? Fuck him. He didn't merit that response by SebastianJu...
They are going to deliver the boards, but when it will take months to a year to get ROI. I bought chips through TH so I could go through PayPal. And TH has been shady as hell with practically no comments regarding this situation, no comments clearing-up whether they were trying to contact Yifu. And who went to visit TH to confirm they were "legit"? Bargraphics did. The shillingest asshole on the forums who prepurchased hardware he couldn't even pay for so he could resell them because he knew they would never be delivered on time. Smiling faces sometimes pretend to be your friend - A smile is just a frown turned upside down. Isn't anyone else concerned that while BitSyncom stated that Avalon team members were extorted but they are planning an immediate delivery of their Gen2 chip? How is this possible? Are the problems over? What are the chances they get extorted again and again? What are the security measures they took?
Yeah, because he wants to give them to all those who were able to profit off his Avalons at the expense of the smaller guys and do so in order to prevent the smaller guys from getting their ROI. He is catering to a certain crowd - the guys who already have lots of BTC and can make the purchases. He wants to suck the money from the poor guys and transfer it. |
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One of the reasons I am suspect of at least some of the group buy organizers and assemblers (i.e., TH) is that they have not been vocal at all on this subject - they remain completely silent. Why have they not all banned together to find answers weeks ago? None of it makes any sense unless they are involved or in the know somehow. They may already have the chips and are mining with them. TerraHash was originally supposed to ship the first orders between mid and late July, then they said August 15, now there is NO ETA.
They didn't plan to operate like a full-on scam where nothing would be delivered, it would just be delivered late and they assumed everything would quiet down once they were delivered even though the ROI was drastically reduced. In addition the first chip buyers who have their orders may have benefited as well by having the rest of the hashing power halted.
There may be members on this topic who are involved but playing good-cop/bad-cop.
Where do you get this? I created a groupbuy and we bought 5.6 batches together. And im behind this all the time. Its disappointing how everytime random users appear and claim things without checking first. Especially for you again: I called yifu for days 2-4 times each hour. He clicks you away or waits until it ends. He wont answer. I write emails and tickets... its useless. I collected all email addresses from everywhere i could find that belongs to people that are connected to avalon and might know more... no answer. I created a thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=264224 and together with the other thread it leaded at least to Yifu logging into the forum 2 times, maybe his new statement was pushed by this too. I thought about sueing avalon but it would be pointless. The time the judge made his decision the chips are worth zero. So we are at some point at the mercy of Yifu. Of course if all is lost and he not even wants to pay a refund we have to sue him. And then some seems to misunderstood the concept of a groupbuy. Its collecting money so that all can get something they couldnt buy alone. That means that money is gone when the product is ordered. Let me say you one thing... if i would have known before how much trouble this groupbuy things mean, the hours i spent 7 days a week for months now, the trouble and anger to not reach Yifu and not getting support, the legal things and stress surrounding it, all the data to be collected, up to 95 pm's each day answering... i wouldnt do it again. And i tell this everyone who is asking me if he should do a groupbuy. And now some random persons come in, i never heard of them, and demand i, and others, pay them back out of their own pocket. Man... thank you so much... i wish i could put the weight on my shoulders on yours for a while. I didn't blame you for anything. If you read anything I wrote I never said "all", I said "some", nor did I ever list any names. All I am doing is adding pieces together, something happened "behind closed doors" and it likely involves some people connected with some of the group purchases. Someone is benefiting... the mafia story is BS, the customs story is BS, etc. If those stories are BS then there is a real story, one which the interested parties don't want anyone to know. Someone took pictures of the chips and posted here for us to see weeks ago. |
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You all accepted this risk when you sent your monies to a dude in China. Stop complaining, and just buy BTC directly next time.
Did you order any of these chips? |
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I'm done with this paranoid skitzo... Ignored.
Oh shit, I'm being ignored by Owen Wilson. |
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One of the reasons I am suspect of at least some of the group buy organizers and assemblers (i.e., TH) is that they have not been vocal at all on this subject - they remain completely silent. Why have they not all banned together to find answers weeks ago? None of it makes any sense unless they are involved or in the know somehow. They may already have the chips and are mining with them. TerraHash was originally supposed to ship the first orders between mid and late July, then they said August 15, now there is NO ETA.
They didn't plan to operate like a full-on scam where nothing would be delivered, it would just be delivered late and they assumed everything would quiet down once they were delivered even though the ROI was drastically reduced. In addition the first chip buyers who have their orders may have benefited as well by having the rest of the hashing power halted.
There may be members on this topic who are involved but playing good-cop/bad-cop.
I asked burnin what was his refund policy, since I paid in advance fo mor then 30 boards to him for the assembly job, and i paid more then 3500 euros for that, and he answered that he will not give full refunds, cause h ordered some parts that are needed for those boards. He stated that he will refund in his "financial boundries". I am really curious how much my refund will be. He yesterday started to ship boards from zefirs first batch, I am in third. So basicly i am screwed twice. Zefir said that we should sit and wait. Scammy at least. Btw my order is a group order of small miners. They have it set up to benefit themselves and their buddies at the expense of everyone else - all of them are working together as a top-down pyramid scheme. They just needed the rest of us to fill-in the purchases and absorb all the excess chips needed to fulfill the fabrication limits. He will refund you a bit to the point he gets heavily discounted chip prices to add to his hashing power. The boards are probably already done with the chips on them. |
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Bargraphics knew from the beginning that these miners would not arrive on time which is why he always intended on selling.
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Has Avalon sent out the bulk of its orders? Is network hash rate increasing? That means people are putting more ASICs on the network everyday. BFL is supposedly shipping orders, there are block erupters, etc. Here is the hash rate increasing: https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rateNow, TH was initially going to ship between mid and late July. Look at the increase during that time frame. Then it was going to ship all first orders by Aug. 15th - look at the hash rate increase from Aug 1 - 9 and estiamte what that will be in a few weeks to a few months. The network hashrate is increasing without the Avalon chip orders hashrate. We are missing out on the lower difficulty because of it, independent of how much these chips will increase it when they jump on line. My belief is that certain Avalon chip order have been sent and that certain individuals are profiting from having the rest of the chips delayed. Who are they? They are the shills on this thread and those who are silent. They were part of the scam that they expect to blow over once it is all said and done. They are the organizers of some of the group buys - they are the main channels by which the orders can be controlled. |
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Its funny that I subscribed to HashFasts newsletter and never was told about this sales launch.
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I only partially see what all the fuzz about lost time on low difficulty is about. I mean, if the hash rate in june was about 200TH and you add another 1100TH in june or august won't matter that much since you would increase the difficulty by >5x factor anyway, the only other problem would be IF some of the other asic operators start shipping BULK (now, october, later, or never).  Because it still takes time for the difficulty to increase. All the time that is lost other ASICs not made by Avalon are jumping into the network. This is common sense. It taking time is just a function that it will increase when a certain number of blocks get done in x amount of time. If it's going too fast, then it goes up. Now. Those blocks would all be solved 5x faster, so instead of the usual... what? 14 days, it would take less than 3 days mining at that difficulty before BOOM... you get 80+% reduction in your btc income. So I don't think your point is valid. No dude, there are more miners jumping on the network than the 500 GH that Avalon is dropping with its chips and batch 3. The difficulty just went up from 33 to 37 million without the 500 GH and is expected to jump to 45 without the 500 GH. Everyday more people are jumping on board - the idea is to beat all those people to the network. Greed is a very hard wall to break down, even with logic. You are an idiot. You are one of the greediest d-bags on these forums. |
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I only partially see what all the fuzz about lost time on low difficulty is about. I mean, if the hash rate in june was about 200TH and you add another 1100TH in june or august won't matter that much since you would increase the difficulty by >5x factor anyway, the only other problem would be IF some of the other asic operators start shipping BULK (now, october, later, or never). Because it still takes time for the difficulty to increase. All the time that is lost other ASICs not made by Avalon are jumping into the network. This is common sense. |
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Bargraphics doesn't need to worry about whether Avalon delivers because he just wants to jump in and purchase a bunch of units then pawn them off to the highest bidder. No wonder he isn't pissed about this.
You are right, I don't spend money I can't afford to lose. And if my calculations don't see a positive ROI, maybe someone elses does and they would be happy to be first in line. Please worry about yourself more than me though, from the tone of your posts you'll be hurting for a while. I'm not hurting I am just calling it what it is. |
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Bargraphics doesn't need to worry about whether Avalon delivers because he just wants to jump in and purchase a bunch of units then pawn them off to the highest bidder. No wonder he isn't pissed about this.
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They have had all this time to become a better company and they have not become one, so why would you consider supporting them in the future? If they could provide a working product - incontrovertibly, and with full consumer protection - in my eyes, that redeem them fully, buy bringing bitcoin out of the current lawless wilderness of predator and prey. So, therefore, whatdya think the chances of that happening really are? Exactly, All of us are mad, but the people most mad didn't follow the golden rule. "Only invest what you can afford to lose" These people will likely leave the mining industry altogether. I for one will take the best deal regardless of a companies past dealings. Hell even if BFL has stock on shelves with proven delivery I'd even buy from them again. Apparently the above statement will likely make me a "Shill" for BFL too. There is a difference in investing what you can afford and losing it due to "things just didn't turn out well" as opposed to an intentional scam potentially involving individuals who are commenting on this thread. |
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Some of the people in the group buys already have their miners and are mining with them - for everyone else they will wait until that group has their ROI and then ship yours out, i.e., when it is too late and they are already purchasing gen 2s in Oct. Already, guys like Bargraphics are shilling for Avalon for Gen 2: While Avalon has totally let us down and screwed us over, they are far ahead of bitfury in terms of development time.
They will likely have their Gen 2 out prior to bitfury (If he has one being made).
Their newsletter also stated they will not be selling Pre-Orders anymore so this might be excellent for customers.
They've had all of this time to become a better company, see the issues that have risen, and try to fix them going forward.
One can hope they do improve but currently yes we all hate Avalon but if they offer a great deal in the future with instock items I won't let this get in the way.
Time will tell.
They have had all this time to become a better company and they have not become one, so why would you consider supporting them in the future? |
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One of the reasons I am suspect of at least some of the group buy organizers and assemblers (i.e., TH) is that they have not been vocal at all on this subject - they remain completely silent. Why have they not all banned together to find answers weeks ago? None of it makes any sense unless they are involved or in the know somehow. They may already have the chips and are mining with them. TerraHash was originally supposed to ship the first orders between mid and late July, then they said August 15, now there is NO ETA.
They didn't plan to operate like a full-on scam where nothing would be delivered, it would just be delivered late and they assumed everything would quiet down once they were delivered even though the ROI was drastically reduced. In addition the first chip buyers who have their orders may have benefited as well by having the rest of the hashing power halted.
There may be members on this topic who are involved but playing good-cop/bad-cop.
Because while they sue Avalon, their customers will sue them. Not true, they could get their customers involved through class-action. But I wasn't even discussing a lawsuit, I am simply discussing the fact that they mentioned making no attempts at clarifying the cause for the delay, when the delay has been over a month now. When I see that someone isn't attempting to get answers I must assume they are in on it. Notice that only BKK has commented on this thread out of ALL the group buys and assemblers - they are MIA again. |
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The good news is chips will start shipping end of next week. Lets hope terrahash's order is in that batch.
The bad news is they will ship avalon version 2 by October. By the time we get our orders, maybe on 2nd week of sept., our rigs will be obsolete in one month.
I feel like that was the plan all along. Now the first purchasers of the avalon products get to be the first purchasers again having made back their investment and then some while we got screwed to fund the development of their new chips which will make ours obsolete. And in the process kept us from using our funds to invest elsewhere. Fortunately, we can speak with our BTC Wallets next time. I personally won't be purchasing anymore Avalon products. Not when there are guys like Bitfury which are on-track with their delivery, and have far better ability to communicate with their customers. But not making the ROI has prevented me from increasing my BTC wallet to the point of making a 2nd or 3rd gen purchase. |
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One of the reasons I am suspect of at least some of the group buy organizers and assemblers (i.e., TH) is that they have not been vocal at all on this subject - they remain completely silent. Why have they not all banned together to find answers weeks ago? None of it makes any sense unless they are involved or in the know somehow. They may already have the chips and are mining with them. TerraHash was originally supposed to ship the first orders between mid and late July, then they said August 15, now there is NO ETA.
They didn't plan to operate like a full-on scam where nothing would be delivered, it would just be delivered late and they assumed everything would quiet down once they were delivered even though the ROI was drastically reduced. In addition the first chip buyers who have their orders may have benefited as well by having the rest of the hashing power halted.
There may be members on this topic who are involved but playing good-cop/bad-cop.
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The good news is chips will start shipping end of next week. Lets hope terrahash's order is in that batch.
The bad news is they will ship avalon version 2 by October. By the time we get our orders, maybe on 2nd week of sept., our rigs will be obsolete in one month.
I feel like that was the plan all along. Now the first purchasers of the avalon products get to be the first purchasers again having made back their investment and then some while we got screwed to fund the development of their new chips which will make ours obsolete. And in the process kept us from using our funds to invest elsewhere. |
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Nobody ever sold any ROI !
Uh, I tend to disagree with you. Look at how batch III was priced and then think about that formula. Everyone here knows we are buying these miners out of the goodness of our hearts for the betterment of the bitcoin network. Doesn't matter when we get them - maybe next week, maybe next year, just so long as we help bitcoin survive. Well if there are 800k chips held up in customs then someone needs to go there instead of Amsterdam, and get the chips released.
Bring a bag of Yen and pay off who you have to dumb ass.
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