[ANN] Sia - Decentralized Storage

[Taek]

Still same issue, please see image capture. Wallet is unlocked, I select 'create address':
http://imgur.com/azamjyI

Are you using version 0.4.3? Can you open up the file directory and look for the wallet.json file? (On mac, right-click the Sia executable and select 'show package contents', then it should be in app/Sia/wallet/wallet.json).

Have you tried restarting Sia? It might also help to reboot your computer. You are seeing a strange error 

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[btcdee]

Still same issue, please see image capture. Wallet is unlocked, I select 'create address':
http://imgur.com/azamjyI

Are you using version 0.4.3? Can you open up the file directory and look for the wallet.json file? (On mac, right-click the Sia executable and select 'show package contents', then it should be in app/Sia/wallet/wallet.json).

Have you tried restarting Sia? It might also help to reboot your computer. You are seeing a strange error  

Yes, v. 0.4.3
As for wallet.json, it wasn't in the above location and could not find it anywhere else. folder content:

I have restarted, didn't help. BTW, a few days ago after experiencing the same issue I reinstalled the client.

[Zer0Sum]

ya know, the GUI is really coming along and so many things are done right, but...

(1) The 4.3 GUI identifies itself as 4.2




(2) And it's crazy to spend 2000 hours coding... and then spend 2-3 hours on documentation (pS vs zS vs fS, etc).

(3) Expecting ordinary people to muck around with port-forwarding is unrealistic...
And opens up all sorts of security issues for people with valuable networks that are not security professionals.

(4) The "file sharing" community consists of about 50,000,000 people (Pirate Bay daily unique visitors circa 2010)...
While the "alt coin" community consists of maybe 10,000 people split into about 100 warring mini-cults.

Guess which community the Dev needs to be targeting

And by "targeting" I mean build in a specific feature that will result in a Siacoin download....
Yes, baby, give something valuable away for free like Google did for many years to build critical mass...
You need to to forget about vaporware like STORJ and MAID... and get SC up to 1000 downloads/day.    

Carry on, it's great to see steady, consistent progress on all fronts.

[MinermanNC]

Sia is an awesome concept. I am just glad to have been privileged to see it launch and be involved from ground floor, watching it grow even with its inherit pains.. lol It is taking on a life of its own. (and coin value has had a pretty decent floor overall that can only go up)

Taek is a fantastic dev and communicator as well. I feel the project is in good hands   we are in good hands

[ol92]

ya know, the GUI is really coming along and so many things are done right, but...

(1) The 4.3 GUI identifies itself as 4.2

...
(2) And it's crazy to spend 2000 hours coding... and then spend 2-3 hours on documentation (pS vs zS vs fS, etc).

(3) Expecting ordinary people to muck around with port-forwarding is unrealistic...
And opens up all sorts of security issues for people with valuable networks that are not security professionals.

(4) The "file sharing" community consists of about 50,000,000 people (Pirate Bay daily unique visitors circa 2010)...
While the "alt coin" community consists of maybe 10,000 people split into about 100 warring mini-cults.

Guess which community the Dev needs to be targeting

And by "targeting" I mean build in a specific feature that will result in a Siacoin download....
Yes, baby, give something valuable away for free like Google did for many years to build critical mass...
You need to to forget about vaporware like STORJ and MAID... and get SC up to 1000 downloads/day.    

Carry on, it's great to see steady, consistent progress on all fronts.

The project is still in beta stage: for me it is still normal than it isn't useable by non tech oriented people.
On the other hand I agree with you than we will need something more plug & play to reach the masses : upnp, possibility to host files without fixed ip ... with an user friendly GUI.
I suppose the dev team is well aware of these points but they need time ...

[bitspill]

ya know, the GUI is really coming along and so many things are done right, but...

(1) The 4.3 GUI identifies itself as 4.2

...
(2) And it's crazy to spend 2000 hours coding... and then spend 2-3 hours on documentation (pS vs zS vs fS, etc).

(3) Expecting ordinary people to muck around with port-forwarding is unrealistic...
And opens up all sorts of security issues for people with valuable networks that are not security professionals.

(4) The "file sharing" community consists of about 50,000,000 people (Pirate Bay daily unique visitors circa 2010)...
While the "alt coin" community consists of maybe 10,000 people split into about 100 warring mini-cults.

Guess which community the Dev needs to be targeting

And by "targeting" I mean build in a specific feature that will result in a Siacoin download....
Yes, baby, give something valuable away for free like Google did for many years to build critical mass...
You need to to forget about vaporware like STORJ and MAID... and get SC up to 1000 downloads/day.    

Carry on, it's great to see steady, consistent progress on all fronts.

The project is still in beta stage: for me it is still normal than it isn't useable by non tech oriented people.
On the other hand I agree with you than we will need something more plug & play to reach the masses : upnp, possibility to host files without fixed ip ... with an user friendly GUI.
I suppose the dev team is well aware of these points but they need time ...

Upnp support is already included and you can host on a dynamic ip if you use a service similar to dyndns or no-ip.org by announcing with

Code:

siac announce myname.no-ip.org:9982

[ol92]

ya know, the GUI is really coming along and so many things are done right, but...

(1) The 4.3 GUI identifies itself as 4.2

...
(2) And it's crazy to spend 2000 hours coding... and then spend 2-3 hours on documentation (pS vs zS vs fS, etc).

(3) Expecting ordinary people to muck around with port-forwarding is unrealistic...
And opens up all sorts of security issues for people with valuable networks that are not security professionals.

(4) The "file sharing" community consists of about 50,000,000 people (Pirate Bay daily unique visitors circa 2010)...
While the "alt coin" community consists of maybe 10,000 people split into about 100 warring mini-cults.

Guess which community the Dev needs to be targeting

And by "targeting" I mean build in a specific feature that will result in a Siacoin download....
Yes, baby, give something valuable away for free like Google did for many years to build critical mass...
You need to to forget about vaporware like STORJ and MAID... and get SC up to 1000 downloads/day.    

Carry on, it's great to see steady, consistent progress on all fronts.

The project is still in beta stage: for me it is still normal than it isn't useable by non tech oriented people.
On the other hand I agree with you than we will need something more plug & play to reach the masses : upnp, possibility to host files without fixed ip ... with an user friendly GUI.
I suppose the dev team is well aware of these points but they need time ...

Upnp support is already included and you can host on a dynamic ip if you use a service similar to dyndns or no-ip.org by announcing with

Code:

siac announce myname.no-ip.org:9982

Thanks!
I didn't notice and expect this at this stage.
Great!

[Merick]

I just did a test withdraw from Poloniex into my own wallet.  I have hosting contracts working and the wallet seems to be working fine.  I made one new address and had Polo send my coins to that address.  However I end up with a Completed:Error status on my Polo Transaction list.  They are trying to fix it now.

Any ideas on why the transaction might not have worked, or anything I can do to verify the wallet can receive coins properly?


Also, how long can I shut down my wallet and not get penalized on my hosting contracts?  I'm assuming a quick restart will not hurt anything.


Thank You

[btcprice]

Sia is an awesome concept. I am just glad to have been privileged to see it launch and be involved from ground floor, watching it grow even with its inherit pains.. lol It is taking on a life of its own. (and coin value has had a pretty decent floor overall that can only go up)

Taek is a fantastic dev and communicator as well. I feel the project is in good hands  we are in good hands

It's good to see that there are still people in this thread helping to answer questions. That gives me hope for this coin in the future.

I've been watching the price on Polo since it was at 11 satoshis a little over a week ago. I finally decided to invest when I saw the price go from 14 satoshis to 19 in one day. It corrected back to 15 but I was able to get in before it went back up to 18 where it presently stands.

[MinermanNC]

I just did a test withdraw from Poloniex into my own wallet.  I have hosting contracts working and the wallet seems to be working fine.  I made one new address and had Polo send my coins to that address.  However I end up with a Completed:Error status on my Polo Transaction list.  They are trying to fix it now.

Any ideas on why the transaction might not have worked, or anything I can do to verify the wallet can receive coins properly?


Also, how long can I shut down my wallet and not get penalized on my hosting contracts?  I'm assuming a quick restart will not hurt anything.


Thank You

Good question on the shutdown? I just checked and I have 62 contracts with .78 GB used. Earnings to earn 56.62 Sia woot! lol

And I only have had Sia hosting for a day and a half now...interesting 

[X1235]

File download error: 500 internal server error, insufficient hosts to recover. Should I change the configuration of my client?

[Taek]

Yes, v. 0.4.3
As for wallet.json, it wasn't in the above location and could not find it anywhere else. folder content:

I have restarted, didn't help. BTW, a few days ago after experiencing the same issue I reinstalled the client.

Can anyone else report similar problems? I'm not sure why the wallet.json file is being deleted. Do you have Sia in a synchronized folder? Is it possible that some background service is synchronizing the Sia folder to a previous state, which is wiping out the wallet.json (as well as some of the other folders)? As far as I'm aware, there is no code in Sia that would delete a wallet file.

(2) And it's crazy to spend 2000 hours coding... and then spend 2-3 hours on documentation (pS vs zS vs fS, etc).

We've spent quite a bit more than that on documentation, I don't think you give us enough credit. Do you have a specific question in this case?

(3) Expecting ordinary people to muck around with port-forwarding is unrealistic...
And opens up all sorts of security issues for people with valuable networks that are not security professionals.

If you have better ideas on how to handle port forwarding, you should let us know or do the implementations yourself. Port management is an incredibly difficult thing for developers, and beyond upnp there are very few applications (not even Bitcoin or more bit-torrent clients) that are able to do that for users. Most applications are okay if you don't forward your ports. Sia is okay too, unless you want to be a host. Being a host requires having forwarded ports and there's not much we can do about that besides what we've already done. Upnp is supported by Sia, which handles a lot of the users, but not all of them.

You should check out this blog post: http://blog.siacoin.com/2015/07/25/why-ipv4-inhibits-decentralization/

Sia supports

(4) The "file sharing" community consists of about 50,000,000 people (Pirate Bay daily unique visitors circa 2010)...
While the "alt coin" community consists of maybe 10,000 people split into about 100 warring mini-cults.

Guess which community the Dev needs to be targeting

And by "targeting" I mean build in a specific feature that will result in a Siacoin download....
Yes, baby, give something valuable away for free like Google did for many years to build critical mass...
You need to to forget about vaporware like STORJ and MAID... and get SC up to 1000 downloads/day.    

Do you feel that we are not targeting that community? Sia is a financial system, it's absolutely imperative that all the money details work well, that people aren't losing coins, that hackers can't steal files, that there's no way to cheat the system. The foundation is going to be under a lot of pressure, because exploiting a weak foundation in a financial system can be very profitable.

Also, giveaways tend not to work as well in byzantine systems.

Carry on, it's great to see steady, consistent progress on all fronts.

 

We will continue working  

Also, how long can I shut down my wallet and not get penalized on my hosting contracts?  I'm assuming a quick restart will not hurt anything.

Long term, we want hosts to be above 95% uptime. That's a rough number, I'm not exactly sure what's going to be statistically the best. Higher is always better, but for our purposes 99% is almost indistinguishable from 99.99999% - the erasure coding and redundancy will bring a set of 99% uptime hosts very far, and allows hosts to focus on being cheap as opposed to being reliable. But something between 95% and 99.9% is probably going to end up being optimal for most people. For the record, 95% uptime means that you can be off for about an hour per day. Over the course of a month, you can spend an hour rebooting a few times and then still be able to survive an accidental prolonged outage (say you lose power or something) that lasts nearly a day.

File download error: 500 internal server error, insufficient hosts to recover. Should I change the configuration of my client?

  oh no!

Is your client configured differently than the defaults? The defaults should have been enough to protect you from that error. Also, stupid question, but was the internet working when you tried to fetch the file? If you try again, does it still fail? What version are you using?

[MinermanNC]

When does the amount "to be earned" that is now showing, become "earned"  What trips the switch to get paid... been a bit confused on this.. 

[Taek]

When does the amount "to be earned" that is now showing, become "earned"   What trips the switch to get paid... been a bit confused on this..  

Happens automatically after 6-8 weeks.

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Sia 0.4.4 has been released!

https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia-UI/releases/tag/v0.4.4-beta

This release features a reskinned UI, an 'upload folder' button, and some significant improvements to the uploading algorithm. As with previous releases, we have also made a serious of bugfixes and minor usability improvements.

There's also a new miner, v1.0.3, that needs to be used with the new sia version. 0.4.4 should have a much lower stale rate than previous versions.

Please don't forget to upgrade from v0.3.3.3, the hardfork is just a few days away.

[btcdee]

Can anyone else report similar problems? I'm not sure why the wallet.json file is being deleted. Do you have Sia in a synchronized folder? Is it possible that some background service is synchronizing the Sia folder to a previous state, which is wiping out the wallet.json (as well as some of the other folders)? As far as I'm aware, there is no code in Sia that would delete a wallet file.

Congrats on the 0.4.4 release, looks fantastic!
As for the wallet.json file issue, I thought it might be resolved with the new release but the problem persists on my mac os x. The Sia app is not in a synchronized folder. really strange...

[X1235]

File download error: 500 internal server error, insufficient hosts to recover. Should I change the configuration of my client?

  oh no!

Is your client configured differently than the defaults? The defaults should have been enough to protect you from that error. Also, stupid question, but was the internet working when you tried to fetch the file? If you try again, does it still fail? What version are you using?

The Sia client on localhost is always online (I guess that otherwise it won't be able to fetch the server error ). It is the default configuration, no changes.

[Merick]

Yes, v. 0.4.3
As for wallet.json, it wasn't in the above location and could not find it anywhere else. folder content:

I have restarted, didn't help. BTW, a few days ago after experiencing the same issue I reinstalled the client.

Can anyone else report similar problems? I'm not sure why the wallet.json file is being deleted. Do you have Sia in a synchronized folder? Is it possible that some background service is synchronizing the Sia folder to a previous state, which is wiping out the wallet.json (as well as some of the other folders)? As far as I'm aware, there is no code in Sia that would delete a wallet file.

(2) And it's crazy to spend 2000 hours coding... and then spend 2-3 hours on documentation (pS vs zS vs fS, etc).

We've spent quite a bit more than that on documentation, I don't think you give us enough credit. Do you have a specific question in this case?

(3) Expecting ordinary people to muck around with port-forwarding is unrealistic...
And opens up all sorts of security issues for people with valuable networks that are not security professionals.

If you have better ideas on how to handle port forwarding, you should let us know or do the implementations yourself. Port management is an incredibly difficult thing for developers, and beyond upnp there are very few applications (not even Bitcoin or more bit-torrent clients) that are able to do that for users. Most applications are okay if you don't forward your ports. Sia is okay too, unless you want to be a host. Being a host requires having forwarded ports and there's not much we can do about that besides what we've already done. Upnp is supported by Sia, which handles a lot of the users, but not all of them.

You should check out this blog post: http://blog.siacoin.com/2015/07/25/why-ipv4-inhibits-decentralization/

Sia supports

(4) The "file sharing" community consists of about 50,000,000 people (Pirate Bay daily unique visitors circa 2010)...
While the "alt coin" community consists of maybe 10,000 people split into about 100 warring mini-cults.

Guess which community the Dev needs to be targeting

And by "targeting" I mean build in a specific feature that will result in a Siacoin download....
Yes, baby, give something valuable away for free like Google did for many years to build critical mass...
You need to to forget about vaporware like STORJ and MAID... and get SC up to 1000 downloads/day.    

Do you feel that we are not targeting that community? Sia is a financial system, it's absolutely imperative that all the money details work well, that people aren't losing coins, that hackers can't steal files, that there's no way to cheat the system. The foundation is going to be under a lot of pressure, because exploiting a weak foundation in a financial system can be very profitable.

Also, giveaways tend not to work as well in byzantine systems.

Carry on, it's great to see steady, consistent progress on all fronts.

 

We will continue working  

Also, how long can I shut down my wallet and not get penalized on my hosting contracts?  I'm assuming a quick restart will not hurt anything.

Long term, we want hosts to be above 95% uptime. That's a rough number, I'm not exactly sure what's going to be statistically the best. Higher is always better, but for our purposes 99% is almost indistinguishable from 99.99999% - the erasure coding and redundancy will bring a set of 99% uptime hosts very far, and allows hosts to focus on being cheap as opposed to being reliable. But something between 95% and 99.9% is probably going to end up being optimal for most people. For the record, 95% uptime means that you can be off for about an hour per day. Over the course of a month, you can spend an hour rebooting a few times and then still be able to survive an accidental prolonged outage (say you lose power or something) that lasts nearly a day.

File download error: 500 internal server error, insufficient hosts to recover. Should I change the configuration of my client?

  oh no!

Is your client configured differently than the defaults? The defaults should have been enough to protect you from that error. Also, stupid question, but was the internet working when you tried to fetch the file? If you try again, does it still fail? What version are you using?

Linux System - Kubuntu 14.04
Sia 0.4.3

I was just looking into backing up my  Wallet.json file and I just noticed the same thing as posted above.  There is no Wallet.json file.  I have roughly 277 contracts, with ~4.77GB worth of hosting.  I am able to unlock my "wallet" with my 29 words but I do not have a wallet.json file.  I have created addresses and on a Sia restart, those addresses are no longer listed.  This is probably why my test withdrawal from Poloniex failed.

What specifically do I have to do to update to 0.4.4.  I would like to keep my hosting contracts and the block chain all intact for the upgrade.  I am using the U.I. version by the way

I am applying System updates and rebooting, maybe I will get a Wallet.json.  I have also done a system search and that file is no place on my computer.

Thank You

[Merick]

After shutting down Sia, rebooting, and re-starting 0.4.3 UI a Wallet.json file did appear.  My storage contracts are not showing up and the Block Height indicator started from 0 and stalled on 18237.

I shut down UI 0.4.3 and just started UI 0.4.4 (bother versions are in separate folders).  0.4.4 started up fine but the block height is stuck on 18237, its been stuck there for a couple hours now.  I will leave it over night and see what happens.

Any suggestions?

[Taek]

After shutting down Sia, rebooting, and re-starting 0.4.3 UI a Wallet.json file did appear.  My storage contracts are not showing up and the Block Height indicator started from 0 and stalled on 18237.

I shut down UI 0.4.3 and just started UI 0.4.4 (bother versions are in separate folders).  0.4.4 started up fine but the block height is stuck on 18237, its been stuck there for a couple hours now.  I will leave it over night and see what happens.

Any suggestions?

How did you do the upgrade?

What you want to do is take all of the old folders + files and copy them into the new app/Sia/ folder in the UI. After a few minutes it should get unstuck from height 18237.

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I think what's happening with the wallet.json file is that when you close the 0.4.3 UI, the old 'siad' is not actually getting shut down. When you start the 0.4.4 UI, it's probably still looking at the 0.4.3 'siad', which means that it's using a different wallet file.

We need a better upgrade process.

[provenceday]

super nice to see this project achieve a big process!