Cricket match prediction discussions

[Sithara007]

Ganguly is about to resign from the BCCI. Roger Binny is the favorite to replace him soon.

Interestingly BCCI also said that they are not backing Ganguly for ICC chairmanship atm. I don't know what's cooking there.

I understand that Ganguly's performance as the BCCI head was less than satisfactory. But who will be a better choice? I don't think that Jay Shah or Anurag Thakur would be any better than Ganguly. Anyway, it is their headache. But then I don't understand their problem in backing Ganguly for the post of ICC chairman. Now things look a bit more clear for me. A deal has been reached between Jay Shah-Anurag Thakur cabal and the Srinivasan-Sharad Pawar mafia. Jay Shah will replace Ganguly and Srinivasan will replace Barclay.

[JSRAW]

Ganguly is about to resign from the BCCI. Roger Binny is the favorite to replace him soon.

Interestingly BCCI also said that they are not backing Ganguly for ICC chairmanship atm. I don't know what's cooking there.

I understand that Ganguly's performance as the BCCI head was less than satisfactory. But who will be a better choice? I don't think that Jay Shah or Anurag Thakur would be any better than Ganguly. Anyway, it is their headache. But then I don't understand their problem in backing Ganguly for the post of ICC chairman. Now things look a bit more clear for me. A deal has been reached between Jay Shah-Anurag Thakur cabal and the Srinivasan-Sharad Pawar mafia. Jay Shah will replace Ganguly and Srinivasan will replace Barclay.

Roger Binny has some nice reputation, he is considered honest, strict and at the same the polite individual and he gets along with everyone so he's the replacement of Dada.

Not sure about ICC chairmanship backing as I didn't hear anything so far but I guess it's going to be interesting and i won't rule out anyone except Srinivasan-Pawar.

[Vaskiy]

Ganguly is about to resign from the BCCI. Roger Binny is the favorite to replace him soon.

Interestingly BCCI also said that they are not backing Ganguly for ICC chairmanship atm. I don't know what's cooking there.

I understand that Ganguly's performance as the BCCI head was less than satisfactory. But who will be a better choice? I don't think that Jay Shah or Anurag Thakur would be any better than Ganguly. Anyway, it is their headache. But then I don't understand their problem in backing Ganguly for the post of ICC chairman. Now things look a bit more clear for me. A deal has been reached between Jay Shah-Anurag Thakur cabal and the Srinivasan-Sharad Pawar mafia. Jay Shah will replace Ganguly and Srinivasan will replace Barclay.

I don't know how far this is true, but it looks like some sort of issue is their for Ganguly. The ruling government is weak on Ganguly's State West Bengal and they need Ganguly as a key. Here Ganguly isn't supportive and hadn't joined the Ruling government party. This is into discussion for not backing Ganguly.

[Sithara007]

Roger Binny has some nice reputation, he is considered honest, strict and at the same the polite individual and he gets along with everyone so he's the replacement of Dada.

Not sure about ICC chairmanship backing as I didn't hear anything so far but I guess it's going to be interesting and i won't rule out anyone except Srinivasan-Pawar.

I am surprised, because Binny is considered as someone who is close to Sharad Pawar (opposite camp of Shah-Thakur). But then, he is also from the state of Karnataka, which wields a disproportionate influence on the BCCI administration. Jay Shah remains as the secretary, while it is rumored that Arun Singh Dhumal (brother of Anurag Singh Thakur) may become the next chairman of the IPL. BJP leader Ashish Shelar may become the treasurer (which was previously held by Dhumal). And finally for the post of joint secretary, Devajit Saikia is replacing Jayesh George.

[BobK71]

Ganguly is about to resign from the BCCI. Roger Binny is the favorite to replace him soon.

Interestingly BCCI also said that they are not backing Ganguly for ICC chairmanship atm. I don't know what's cooking there.

I understand that Ganguly's performance as the BCCI head was less than satisfactory. But who will be a better choice? I don't think that Jay Shah or Anurag Thakur would be any better than Ganguly. Anyway, it is their headache. But then I don't understand their problem in backing Ganguly for the post of ICC chairman. Now things look a bit more clear for me. A deal has been reached between Jay Shah-Anurag Thakur cabal and the Srinivasan-Sharad Pawar mafia. Jay Shah will replace Ganguly and Srinivasan will replace Barclay.

I don't know how far this is true, but it looks like some sort of issue is their for Ganguly. The ruling government is weak on Ganguly's State West Bengal and they need Ganguly as a key. Here Ganguly isn't supportive and hadn't joined the Ruling government party. This is into discussion for not backing Ganguly.

There is logic in your words. Recent times politics are behaving differently, especially in India. The current government is continuously trying to elect popular celebrities. Moreover, the current government in West Bengal is not getting any support. They may be looking to use Ganguly as that key. Maybe he doesn't agree the proposal and is being forced to step down.

[n0ne]

BCCI New Office Bearers

President: Roger Binny (Karnataka)
Secretary: Jay Shah (Gujarat)
Vice President: Rajeev Shukla (UP)
Treasurer: Ashish Shelar (Maharashtra)
Joint Secretary: Devajit Saikia (Assam)
IPL Chairman: Arun Dhumal (Uttarakhand)

Sourav Ganguly lose board’s trust and below are major reason for being sidelined and his biggest accomplishments was bringing in Rahul Dravid as head coach and VVS Laxman as the NCA director.

There is more to it. Ganguly was close to BJP when he took over from Anurag Thakur.
He was tipped to stand in as BJP’s face in West Bengal elections.
But his refusal to criticise West Bengal CM Mamata Banerjee and not joining BJP did not work in his favour.
Despite meetings with BJP top brass besides Home Minister Amit Shah, he kept himself out of politics.

Source : Sourav Ganguly STUMPED & unceremoniously shown the door from BCCI, left completely sidelined in BCCI’s politics

When sports is mixed with politics this is what happens. Just think of Jay Shah, does he know anything about cricket. He's the son of Amit Shah which is the only reason for him being the Secretary. Sports need to be allowed to function independent.

[JSRAW]

BCCI New Office Bearers

President: Roger Binny (Karnataka)
Secretary: Jay Shah (Gujarat)
Vice President: Rajeev Shukla (UP)
Treasurer: Ashish Shelar (Maharashtra)
Joint Secretary: Devajit Saikia (Assam)
IPL Chairman: Arun Dhumal (Uttarakhand)

Sourav Ganguly lose board’s trust and below are major reason for being sidelined and his biggest accomplishments was bringing in Rahul Dravid as head coach and VVS Laxman as the NCA director.

There is more to it. Ganguly was close to BJP when he took over from Anurag Thakur.
He was tipped to stand in as BJP’s face in West Bengal elections.
But his refusal to criticise West Bengal CM Mamata Banerjee and not joining BJP did not work in his favour.
Despite meetings with BJP top brass besides Home Minister Amit Shah, he kept himself out of politics.

Source : Sourav Ganguly STUMPED & unceremoniously shown the door from BCCI, left completely sidelined in BCCI’s politics

When sports is mixed with politics this is what happens. Just think of Jay Shah, does he know anything about cricket. He's the son of Amit Shah which is the only reason for him being the Secretary. Sports need to be allowed to function independent.

IMO cherry-picking is not a good idea.

Dada might have fallen out with his political connection but no one can deny that he was a big failure as BCCI's boss, not to mention he overstayed so there are many reasons to replace him with a new face and not just political reasons.

Jay Shah is a product of nepotism but at the same time, it's also true he's not that bad with his administrator skills. Being a cricketer and an administrator are 2 different things, it helps if a man in charge is former player but it doesn't guarantee that he'll succeed when leading the board.

[romero121]

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IMO cherry-picking is not a good idea.

Dada might have fallen out with his political connection but no one can deny that he was a big failure as BCCI's boss, not to mention he overstayed so there are many reasons to replace him with a new face and not just political reasons.

Jay Shah is a product of nepotism but at the same time, it's also true he's not that bad with his administrator skills. Being a cricketer and an administrator are 2 different things, it helps if a man in charge is former player but it doesn't guarantee that he'll succeed when leading the board.

Jay Shah is good on the administration, but he holds the power of Dada. So, every decision of Dada will have the words of Jay Shah. If a former player holds the position of Jay Shah now we could've experienced a big change in the Indian cricket. Jay Shah out of nepotism holding position is acceptable, but they should not try mixing cricket and politics which is really bad for the future of cricket.

[kro55]

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ICC is moving in the opposite direction. They were even considering giving test status to teams such as UAE and Oman. Imagine this, UAE and Oman receiving $16 million per year from the ICC, while Nepal and Kenya receiving just $200,000 per year. And they will use these millions to purchase even more players from India and Pakistan, which will force teams with native players such as Nepal to stop competing in international competitions. Rather than any other rule, the eligibility criteria has negatively impacted the associate nations and destroyed the game in their territories.

Such activities do not only affect the domestic players but can also have a major impact on the cricket fans of that country. I think ICC's initiative is like when a patient is kept artificially alive with oxygen like ICC keeps cricket alive in these countries. As long as this cricket organization would not be responsible, cricket will remain in the stagnancy.

@Sithara007 if ICC had given UAE test status then it would have been a real disaster, and they would have completely lost their credibility. Lastly I’m not totally opposed with country’s outsourcing player’s because it’s extremely difficult to get into India or Pakistan team, and there’re so many talented player’s who’ll never be able to show their talents if ICC scraps this policy.

@Sithara007 ICC is not unbiased, we all know that. It is clear that the ICC will always place money first, even before the improvement of cricket. There's no doubt they recognize that the UAE is a very suitable neutral venue for some big matches, and probably that's why the ICC isn't trying to oppose the UAE. I also believe that ICC realizes that this can be a viable business strategy if UAE is deeply interested in cricket. So my bet is ICC is thinking money above all.

@Juggy777 I think if a player is not good enough to play for the national team of his own country he should look for another job or something. He should realize that he is not good enough at cricket but maybe he will be better at some other things.

[laurenB7742]

Ganguly is about to resign from the BCCI. Roger Binny is the favorite to replace him soon.

Interestingly BCCI also said that they are not backing Ganguly for ICC chairmanship atm. I don't know what's cooking there.

Clearly visible that Ganguly will not tolerate any corruption. For this reason he is forced to move out of that position. He may actually have difficulty in their corruption for which BCCI does not want Ganguly to come back to that position like ICC chairman. It is generally a matter of giving legality to illegal activities.

You are reading something else into this ruling, that's not the case here.

His tenure is over. Actually, he overstayed at the BCCI's presidency due to some loopholes or covid delay and change was about to happen anyway.

I wonder who is going to be taking his duty after he is gone. He obviously did his job really well. And I really do not see anyone being able to do this job as well as him.

And yes as far as I know it is not about him resigning or anything. To my knowledge, his duty period is over.

I really wonder why the BCCI says that they are not going to take back Ganguly again at this moment. Especially after he has done a really good job for Indian cricket. The only logical explanation is going to be that they have someone better than Ganguly. Will Roger Binny be more effective than Ganguly!

[Haunebu]

He obviously did his job really well. And I really do not see anyone being able to do this job as well as him.

And yes as far as I know it is not about him resigning or anything. To my knowledge, his duty period is over.

I really wonder why the BCCI says that they are not going to take back Ganguly again at this moment. Especially after he has done a really good job for Indian cricket. The only logical explanation is going to be that they have someone better than Ganguly. Will Roger Binny be more effective than Ganguly!

Hilarious. How exactly did Ganguly do a good job? He was just another corrupt official who raked in a huge salary annually while doing a mediocre job as the BCCI president. That is the obvious truth.

He most probably got kicked from his position because he wasn't willing to join BJP which ended up screwing him over. Think!

[eaLiTy]

There is more to it. Ganguly was close to BJP when he took over from Anurag Thakur.
He was tipped to stand in as BJP’s face in West Bengal elections.
But his refusal to criticise West Bengal CM Mamata Banerjee and not joining BJP did not work in his favour.
Despite meetings with BJP top brass besides Home Minister Amit Shah, he kept himself out of politics.

That is a fair argument and i did not knew these disputes and if you oppose the BJP then you are gone because they have the power on who gets elected and they would find someone that suits their goals.

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ICC is not unbiased, we all know that. It is clear that the ICC will always place money first, even before the improvement of cricket. There's no doubt they recognize that the UAE is a very suitable neutral venue for some big matches, and probably that's why the ICC isn't trying to oppose the UAE. I also believe that ICC realizes that this can be a viable business strategy if UAE is deeply interested in cricket. So my bet is ICC is thinking money above all.

Hope you are aware that the ICC head quarters is in UAE and obviously they did that to save taxes and the UAE government invited them. I would like to know which sports body is not thinking about money. Sports is all about money and how to attract new people to the sport.

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Hilarious. How exactly did Ganguly do a good job? He was just another corrupt official who raked in a huge salary annually while doing a mediocre job as the BCCI president. That is the obvious truth.

He most probably got kicked from his position because he wasn't willing to join BJP which ended up screwing him over. Think!

So the next president will not rake in huge salary as a favor and dance to the tune of who ever is controlling the show. I never cared to know the previous presidents nor i have no idea what better job they did in the last two decades. If you have some points on that aspect, we might have a debate  .

[laurenB7742]

He obviously did his job really well. And I really do not see anyone being able to do this job as well as him.

And yes as far as I know it is not about him resigning or anything. To my knowledge, his duty period is over.

I really wonder why the BCCI says that they are not going to take back Ganguly again at this moment. Especially after he has done a really good job for Indian cricket. The only logical explanation is going to be that they have someone better than Ganguly. Will Roger Binny be more effective than Ganguly!

Hilarious. How exactly did Ganguly do a good job? He was just another corrupt official who raked in a huge salary annually while doing a mediocre job as the BCCI president. That is the obvious truth.

He most probably got kicked from his position because he wasn't willing to join BJP which ended up screwing him over. Think!

You know, politics plays a significant role in sports in India. There is obviously no doubt that Ganguly's unwillingness to join the BJP was a crucial factor that impact his re-election as BCCI President in spite of his absence from the BJP. Having said that, I think he did more than a decent job in my opinion.

However, I do agree with you that he did take a huge salary for the job he did. The amount of salary that he received seems to be a large amount considering the amount of work he did. The BCCI, on the other hand, is exactly the kind of organization that can easily afford to spend that kind of money.

[BobK71]

He obviously did his job really well. And I really do not see anyone being able to do this job as well as him.

And yes as far as I know it is not about him resigning or anything. To my knowledge, his duty period is over.

I really wonder why the BCCI says that they are not going to take back Ganguly again at this moment. Especially after he has done a really good job for Indian cricket. The only logical explanation is going to be that they have someone better than Ganguly. Will Roger Binny be more effective than Ganguly!

Hilarious. How exactly did Ganguly do a good job? He was just another corrupt official who raked in a huge salary annually while doing a mediocre job as the BCCI president. That is the obvious truth.

He most probably got kicked from his position because he wasn't willing to join BJP which ended up screwing him over. Think!

You know, politics plays a significant role in sports in India. There is obviously no doubt that Ganguly's unwillingness to join the BJP was a crucial factor that impact his re-election as BCCI President in spite of his absence from the BJP. Having said that, I think he did more than a decent job in my opinion.

However, I do agree with you that he did take a huge salary for the job he did. The amount of salary that he received seems to be a large amount considering the amount of work he did. The BCCI, on the other hand, is exactly the kind of organization that can easily afford to spend that kind of money.

Here he is paid for his work. The amount he took was decided before he joined the work. But I salute his honesty. The fact that he was not sold for money and this can be a big identity of his personality. If such people could have been in ICC maybe ICC would have been able to improve from all the aspects.

[JSRAW]

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Hilarious. How exactly did Ganguly do a good job? He was just another corrupt official who raked in a huge salary annually while doing a mediocre job as the BCCI president. That is the obvious truth.

He most probably got kicked from his position because he wasn't willing to join BJP which ended up screwing him over. Think!

You know, politics plays a significant role in sports in India. There is obviously no doubt that Ganguly's unwillingness to join the BJP was a crucial factor that impact his re-election as BCCI President in spite of his absence from the BJP. Having said that, I think he did more than a decent job in my opinion.

However, I do agree with you that he did take a huge salary for the job he did. The amount of salary that he received seems to be a large amount considering the amount of work he did. The BCCI, on the other hand, is exactly the kind of organization that can easily afford to spend that kind of money.

I feel you didn't follow his tenure or might missed all his mess. Here are few of his fuckups.

- He messed up Virat's situation big time. Both were at fault overall but as a BCCI's chief one has to show some grace, he kept leaking private conservation via his shady Journalist (Boria Majumdar), the same guy who got banned from BCCI when he threatened the WK Saha. Dada also went to the media and started talking shit, in response Virat had to come into the media and he literally called him a liar when a journalist asked about his and Dada's conversations and it lead to Virat's resignation from the Test captaincy.

- Dada leaked so much info about almost all players which no one liked.

- He was doing some betting promotion ( which i don't mind at all) but he was BCCI head at the same time. There are some thing called conflict of interest when you are leading a org.

- He delayed the WIPL. He made a fake promise regarding domestic cricketers's salaries during covid and didn't take any steps in this regard until it backfired.

- No need to mention that he overstayed at his position.

[Naficopa]

You know, politics plays a significant role in sports in India. There is obviously no doubt that Ganguly's unwillingness to join the BJP was a crucial factor that impact his re-election as BCCI President in spite of his absence from the BJP. Having said that, I think he did more than a decent job in my opinion.

However, I do agree with you that he did take a huge salary for the job he did. The amount of salary that he received seems to be a large amount considering the amount of work he did. The BCCI, on the other hand, is exactly the kind of organization that can easily afford to spend that kind of money.

I think BCCI was already doing good before Ganguly took over charge. BCCI was on top even since IPL kicked off and its getting popular day by day. Ganguly was lucky that he got the top slot while everything was in order. All he has to do is to manage things up.

[savetheFORUM]

You know, politics plays a significant role in sports in India. There is obviously no doubt that Ganguly's unwillingness to join the BJP was a crucial factor that impact his re-election as BCCI President in spite of his absence from the BJP. Having said that, I think he did more than a decent job in my opinion.

However, I do agree with you that he did take a huge salary for the job he did. The amount of salary that he received seems to be a large amount considering the amount of work he did. The BCCI, on the other hand, is exactly the kind of organization that can easily afford to spend that kind of money.

I think BCCI was already doing good before Ganguly took over charge. BCCI was on top even since IPL kicked off and its getting popular day by day. Ganguly was lucky that he got the top slot while everything was in order. All he has to do is to manage things up.

Even I am feeling right now BCCI is doing amazing job and with their finances and power in ICC no one going to challenge them in long run with they are still had many domestic issues which are surely not good for them, they need to be as one of the most professional board around the cricketing world even political influence is having his own impact but with this all still they need few things which help them for having strong decisions and conflict of interest is also not good as they are still looking for more earning chances which is their right.

BCCI needs to have tough things about grounds and other domestic tournaments which bring more talent and with this they can bring more facilities for future players and jobs for local talent as well with the help of Australian set up which is surely right now one of the best in the cricketing world.

[laurenB7742]

I feel you didn't follow his tenure or might missed all his mess. Here are few of his fuckups.

- He messed up Virat's situation big time. Both were at fault overall but as a BCCI's chief one has to show some grace, he kept leaking private conservation via his shady Journalist (Boria Majumdar), the same guy who got banned from BCCI when he threatened the WK Saha. Dada also went to the media and started talking shit, in response Virat had to come into the media and he literally called him a liar when a journalist asked about his and Dada's conversations and it lead to Virat's resignation from the Test captaincy.

- Dada leaked so much info about almost all players which no one liked.

- He was doing some betting promotion ( which i don't mind at all) but he was BCCI head at the same time. There are some thing called conflict of interest when you are leading a org.

- He delayed the WIPL. He made a fake promise regarding domestic cricketers's salaries during covid and didn't take any steps in this regard until it backfired.

- No need to mention that he overstayed at his position.

Well, if we consider these things, it really feels like he was one of the worst BCCI Presidents. But the point I was trying to make is that when all the candidates are corrupt, obviously you need to choose the one which is the least corrupt and is most likely to help you the most. I cannot say Ganguly was the most ideal president but he was also not the most awful.

I am willing to agree with you on something which is that the Virat Kohli situation was a really big fuck up. He was one of the top players in the world. Ganguly should have helped him but instead, he did the worst thing possible for him.

The other things which you mentioned, I think I will let those slide but not the Virat Kohli situation.

Another thing I would like to know is whether the BCCI has any other suitable candidates besides Ganguly? If so, Ganguly should not be the BCCI President again.

[JSRAW]

I feel you didn't follow his tenure or might missed all his mess. Here are few of his fuckups.

- He messed up Virat's situation big time. Both were at fault overall but as a BCCI's chief one has to show some grace, he kept leaking private conservation via his shady Journalist (Boria Majumdar), the same guy who got banned from BCCI when he threatened the WK Saha. Dada also went to the media and started talking shit, in response Virat had to come into the media and he literally called him a liar when a journalist asked about his and Dada's conversations and it lead to Virat's resignation from the Test captaincy.

- Dada leaked so much info about almost all players which no one liked.

- He was doing some betting promotion ( which i don't mind at all) but he was BCCI head at the same time. There are some thing called conflict of interest when you are leading a org.

- He delayed the WIPL. He made a fake promise regarding domestic cricketers's salaries during covid and didn't take any steps in this regard until it backfired.

- No need to mention that he overstayed at his position.

Well, if we consider these things, it really feels like he was one of the worst BCCI Presidents. But the point I was trying to make is that when all the candidates are corrupt, obviously you need to choose the one which is the least corrupt and is most likely to help you the most. I cannot say Ganguly was the most ideal president but he was also not the most awful.

I am willing to agree with you on something which is that the Virat Kohli situation was a really big fuck up. He was one of the top players in the world. Ganguly should have helped him but instead, he did the worst thing possible for him.

The other things which you mentioned, I think I will let those slide but not the Virat Kohli situation.

Another thing I would like to know is whether the BCCI has any other suitable candidates besides Ganguly? If so, Ganguly should not be the BCCI President again.

The problem is everyone had very high hope from the Ganguly but he took his job as Sarkari job and got busy settling personal scores with the players, which somehow distracted him I suppose and that irked everyone including fans.

He wasn't worst candidate but he messed up things with the Indian team. Roger Binny will replace him, he has a clean and polite image so let's see.

He wasn't the worst guy but he didn't help his cause much

[noormcs5]

Recently I noticed that this thread "Cricket match prediction discussions" has become more of a political discussion thread of cricket.
While we had three separate threads for cricket which include a test matches thread, a one day international thread and the T20 discussion thread.

I always thought what was the need of this thread then, but now i can classify it as a political cricket discussion thread.  By the way I know that this was the first thread about cricket which was created in bitcointalk while the other three were created later.