Cricket match prediction discussions

[wiss19]

T20I is the only ICC ranking system where the associate nations are included. Match between associate nations are awarded T20I status and therefore considered for ranking. On the other hand, only matches with full members are considered for ODI and Test ranking. So how can the funding be decided based on ODI/Test ranking, when only 10-12 countries are effectively included there? I understand that the T20I team rankings can be quite volatile. The solution here is to take the average of ranking over a 4-year period, rather than look at the rank on a particular cutoff date.

Now it's time for ICC to have good changes in their strategy because now things are changing drastically, and we can't afford more waste of time for this all they need to bring new setup for the funding like increase finances for the t-20 countries even they are associate and give them better help for increasing quality and performance which is good and if they have problem for awarding funds then bring a system where all countries will play a quota of matches every year and then after the world cup which is now going to play after every two years give them funds on their two years performance base which will give good improvement in quality and performance for them but surely need to start from scratch and also have good confidence for the better development of the associate countries as well.

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[Ayers]

Right now we have only three countries those are interested in test format, and they are Australia, England and India because they have good domestic set up and all resources which are helpful for having good check and balance in this format others are suffering due to finances and other domestic issues which is the biggest concern right now with this now time to give up about ODI and just depend on test and T20 which will be more beneficial and having better chance of development.

ODI is also having no chance to grow up, so now we need to give all intention to t20 which is future and right now we can bring 16 to 20 good teams which will provide good entertainment, and we will have better revenue as well and then Olympics is also needed good intention which will give more exposure to this game in many countries but if ICC wants to have better results in test then surely needs to have good strategy for this as well which is important for the better future.

The only three countries that are actually interested in test cricket are actually interested in test cricket because they are getting decent popularity for the test cricket that they play. We all know that India is a great test cricket team. And we also know that the Ashes is still a very popular tournament of cricket. Probably these are the only two reasons why test cricket is still alive.

I really do not want to talk about how the ICC is sending only six teams to the Olympics. Because I feel like they have got a lot of backlash because of it. But they are not going to change anyway.

[JSRAW]

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T-20 is a new phenomenon and unofficially the funding setup has a history of decades. T-20 ranking is volatile and it could change in a span of just 200 overs or 5 matches so it hardly matters. Cricket as a sport will die if you distribute funding based on T-20, primarily because of franchise cricket.

T20I is the only ICC ranking system where the associate nations are included. Match between associate nations are awarded T20I status and therefore considered for ranking. On the other hand, only matches with full members are considered for ODI and Test ranking. So how can the funding be decided based on ODI/Test ranking, when only 10-12 countries are effectively included there? I understand that the T20I team rankings can be quite volatile. The solution here is to take the average of ranking over a 4-year period, rather than look at the rank on a particular cutoff date.

Sure associate nations,  many of them find it hard to field even competitive teams unless there are subcontinent players or have some sort of experience in counties.

Can bet my BTC stash that the current system is not going to change in our lifetime and it's for good, sure franchise cricket will create its own ecosystem but only the strong will survive.

[Sithara007]

Sure associate nations,  many of them find it hard to field even competitive teams unless there are subcontinent players or have some sort of experience in counties.

Can bet my BTC stash that the current system is not going to change in our lifetime and it's for good, sure franchise cricket will create its own ecosystem but only the strong will survive.

Agreed on this part. The system is not going to change. Out of the 16 voting members of the ICC, only 3 are representing associates. And even out of these three, one (Oman) is a proxy of the BCCI. So 14 out of the 16 members have reasons to maintain the current system. When Shashank Manohar was the chairman of the ICC, I had some hope. But he was soon replaced by the pig-4 nominee Greg Barclay. And among associates, the ongoing process of teams with 100% foreigner squads gaining over the native sides will accelerate in the future.

Now coming to franchise cricket, I don't think that we will see a situation similar to what we have in football sometime soon. International cricket (bilaterals and ICC tournaments) still attract a lot of revenue. Although leagues such as IPL are important, they are not going to replace ICC tournaments. ICC has already announced calendar up to 2031, and we have a major ICC tournament every year. This is dissimilar to the case with football, where they have the World Cup only once in 4 years.

[BobK71]

Right now we have only three countries those are interested in test format, and they are Australia, England and India because they have good domestic set up and all resources which are helpful for having good check and balance in this format others are suffering due to finances and other domestic issues which is the biggest concern right now with this now time to give up about ODI and just depend on test and T20 which will be more beneficial and having better chance of development.

ODI is also having no chance to grow up, so now we need to give all intention to t20 which is future and right now we can bring 16 to 20 good teams which will provide good entertainment, and we will have better revenue as well and then Olympics is also needed good intention which will give more exposure to this game in many countries but if ICC wants to have better results in test then surely needs to have good strategy for this as well which is important for the better future.

I really do not want to talk about how the ICC is sending only six teams to the Olympics. Because I feel like they have got a lot of backlash because of it. But they are not going to change anyway.

As it is still awaiting its approval, we will have to wait longer. There may be some reasons why ICC has recommended only 6 teams to be there. I think it can be time consuming as only top 6 teams are allowed to participate. If such rules are in force in every event then there should not be any difficulty. All the countries who can hold the top position of the ranking will be able to play there. In this regard maximum efforts will be made to retain everyone's position in the ranking. As a result, more seriousness will increase towards cricket.

[Sithara007]

As it is still awaiting its approval, we will have to wait longer. There may be some reasons why ICC has recommended only 6 teams to be there. I think it can be time consuming as only top 6 teams are allowed to participate. If such rules are in force in every event then there should not be any difficulty. All the countries who can hold the top position of the ranking will be able to play there. In this regard maximum efforts will be made to retain everyone's position in the ranking. As a result, more seriousness will increase towards cricket.

The bigger problem is with the proposal by ICC to do away with a qualifier tournament. In Olympics, it doesn't work like that. Automatic qualification is provided only for hosts and everyone else need to play the qualifiers. ICC ranking is not recognized by the IOC, because it is meaningless. ICC eligibility criteria is a joke and matches using this criteria can't be used for qualifying to the Olympics. If ICC is serious about cricket getting included in the Olympics, then they need to come up with a proper proposal and not this sham they put forward now. 3 Olympic medals can't be distributed among 5 teams (+hosts) and they need to work on Olympic qualifier tournament if they are serious about it. 

[mm2543363580]

As it is still awaiting its approval, we will have to wait longer. There may be some reasons why ICC has recommended only 6 teams to be there. I think it can be time consuming as only top 6 teams are allowed to participate. If such rules are in force in every event then there should not be any difficulty. All the countries who can hold the top position of the ranking will be able to play there. In this regard maximum efforts will be made to retain everyone's position in the ranking. As a result, more seriousness will increase towards cricket.

The bigger problem is with the proposal by ICC to do away with a qualifier tournament. In Olympics, it doesn't work like that. Automatic qualification is provided only for hosts and everyone else need to play the qualifiers. ICC ranking is not recognized by the IOC, because it is meaningless. ICC eligibility criteria is a joke and matches using this criteria can't be used for qualifying to the Olympics. If ICC is serious about cricket getting included in the Olympics, then they need to come up with a proper proposal and not this sham they put forward now. 3 Olympic medals can't be distributed among 5 teams (+hosts) and they need to work on Olympic qualifier tournament if they are serious about it. 

ICC should give a reasonable proposal for Olympics and atleat send 10 teams which should include all big 3 , associate teams so that people should wnjoy that and there should be competitive matches. Yes the format should be discussed like make it 10 overs or 20 overs depending upon time given but atleast give some attention to this Olympics.

[Sithara007]

ICC should give a reasonable proposal for Olympics and atleat send 10 teams which should include all big 3 , associate teams so that people should wnjoy that and there should be competitive matches. Yes the format should be discussed like make it 10 overs or 20 overs depending upon time given but atleast give some attention to this Olympics.

Most of the team sports in Olympics have either 12 or 16 participants. For football, it is 16 (with almost 200 countries participating in the qualifier tournament), while for other sports such as basketball, field hockey and volleyball it is 12. IMO, 12 should be a good number for cricket, for both the men's and women's tournaments. And the IOC has ruled out T10 format, because they want a format which is played regularly. But then, a normal T20 game takes at least 3 to 3.5 hours to get completed.

The main issue with the bid from ICC is that they don't have any qualifying tournament. They want teams to be selected on the basis of ICC ranking, which is biased towards the full members. IOC wants a fair pathway for all the competing nations and they will definitely shoot down this obscene proposal from the ICC. And perhaps this is exactly what the ICC want.

[eaLiTy]

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The main issue with the bid from ICC is that they don't have any qualifying tournament. They want teams to be selected on the basis of ICC ranking, which is biased towards the full members. IOC wants a fair pathway for all the competing nations and they will definitely shoot down this obscene proposal from the ICC. And perhaps this is exactly what the ICC want.

Even now the schedule is full and every player is complaining that they are not getting enough rest and in that instance how can the ICC allocate a qualifying tournament for the ICC. The solution should be, there should be a qualification round like the Test Championships and the team should be ranked and picked for the Olympics according to that ranking rather than conducting a separate tournament.

The sole reason FIFA has implemented rules to participate in the Olympics is because they do not want the Olympics to be bigger than the World Cup and ICC should follow that guideline.

[redsun114]

The system is not going to change. Out of the 16 voting members of the ICC, only 3 are representing associates. And even out of these three, one (Oman) is a proxy of the BCCI. So 14 out of the 16 members have reasons to maintain the current system. When Shashank Manohar was the chairman of the ICC, I had some hope. But he was soon replaced by the pig-4 nominee Greg Barclay. And among associates, the ongoing process of teams with 100% foreigner squads gaining over the native sides will accelerate in the future.

Now coming to franchise cricket, I don't think that we will see a situation similar to what we have in football sometime soon. International cricket (bilaterals and ICC tournaments) still attract a lot of revenue. Although leagues such as IPL are important, they are not going to replace ICC tournaments. ICC has already announced calendar up to 2031, and we have a major ICC tournament every year. This is dissimilar to the case with football, where they have the World Cup only once in 4 years.

Cricket was the game of gentlemen but now under control of peoples those are not gentlemen and have no heart for having good and positive changes which bring this game popular and having good positive changes as well because every one want to fill his own pocket and right now franchise leagues are best for this with BCCI is having strong connections, and they are taking good advantage of this all with few associates which are also having benefits just because of BCCI needs to cooperate with them, so they are doing and having few benefits otherwise I have feeling if they try to go with the way we have in soccer and other sports we can take good advantage for minors, and they can also increase their profit as well.

But right now, things are not going into this way, and we have to wait for the very long if we have changes in this system because right now most of the peoples are not in favour of this all and their calendar which is settled until 2031 is also not allowing them to bring changes in this system.

[MusaPk]

Most of the team sports in Olympics have either 12 or 16 participants. For football, it is 16 (with almost 200 countries participating in the qualifier tournament), while for other sports such as basketball, field hockey and volleyball it is 12. IMO, 12 should be a good number for cricket, for both the men's and women's tournaments. And the IOC has ruled out T10 format, because they want a format which is played regularly. But then, a normal T20 game takes at least 3 to 3.5 hours to get completed.

The main issue with the bid from ICC is that they don't have any qualifying tournament. They want teams to be selected on the basis of ICC ranking, which is biased towards the full members. IOC wants a fair pathway for all the competing nations and they will definitely shoot down this obscene proposal from the ICC. And perhaps this is exactly what the ICC want.

Its still not finalized by IOC that whether or not cricket is included in 2028 LA Olympics (final decision expected in Oct this year). You are talking about 12 teams but ICC has proposed six-team T20 events for both men and women for 2028 LA Olympics. Its a great move by ICC to take cricket to biggest sporting event after giving a delay of many decades.
Cricket biggest problem is very limited number of test teams and new countries are not joining in. Reason is not clear that why new teams are not coming in this sports.

[Ayers]

As it is still awaiting its approval, we will have to wait longer. There may be some reasons why ICC has recommended only 6 teams to be there. I think it can be time consuming as only top 6 teams are allowed to participate. If such rules are in force in every event then there should not be any difficulty. All the countries who can hold the top position of the ranking will be able to play there. In this regard maximum efforts will be made to retain everyone's position in the ranking. As a result, more seriousness will increase towards cricket.

I have no idea what reasons could there be for the ICC to be forced to send only six teams to the Olympics. I know a lot of people do not even care about the Olympics competition at all. Especially when it comes to cricket. But it has become genuinely important for cricket to have a good impact in the Olympics. So that the popularity grows.

The bigger problem is with the proposal by ICC to do away with a qualifier tournament. In Olympics, it doesn't work like that. Automatic qualification is provided only for hosts and everyone else need to play the qualifiers. ICC ranking is not recognized by the IOC, because it is meaningless. ICC eligibility criteria is a joke and matches using this criteria can't be used for qualifying to the Olympics. If ICC is serious about cricket getting included in the Olympics, then they need to come up with a proper proposal and not this sham they put forward now. 3 Olympic medals can't be distributed among 5 teams (+hosts) and they need to work on Olympic qualifier tournament if they are serious about it. 

I think we all understand that the ICC is not at all serious about the Olympics. Otherwise, these steps could have been taken much earlier. Having only three teams represent cricket in the Olympics is, of course, a disgrace to the Olympics itself.

[dezoel]

Most of the team sports in Olympics have either 12 or 16 participants. For football, it is 16 (with almost 200 countries participating in the qualifier tournament), while for other sports such as basketball, field hockey and volleyball it is 12. IMO, 12 should be a good number for cricket, for both the men's and women's tournaments. And the IOC has ruled out T10 format, because they want a format which is played regularly. But then, a normal T20 game takes at least 3 to 3.5 hours to get completed.

The main issue with the bid from ICC is that they don't have any qualifying tournament. They want teams to be selected on the basis of ICC ranking, which is biased towards the full members. IOC wants a fair pathway for all the competing nations and they will definitely shoot down this obscene proposal from the ICC. And perhaps this is exactly what the ICC want.

Here I have one things IOC is right in his way as they are dealing with ICC because here mostly are corrupt mind peoples, and they are also not serious about cricket's entry in Olympics they are doing this all just for the paper work nothing else here as many times we already discussed few things which are surely important for the game if they adopted then surely we will have better results and progress as well as now it's time for saying goodbye to ODI format and have just eight or ten teams fixed for the test format with increase number of countries for T20i and then bring a window for the Olympics qualifiers which will be possible because we can arrange this for nearly as many countries are available and then surely we can send 12 teams for men and women's as well which are good.

We will have world cup for every two years and then Olympics for the every four years which are not bad and WTC is also good with it's current shape but needs improvement in quality which is also possible as just which countries having strong domestic set up for test format will be allowed to stay here, and franchise leagues are also possible to have better system under ICC supervision even they will have no control, but they can give them assistant for having better arrangements and other things.

[fullhdpixel]

Even now the schedule is full and every player is complaining that they are not getting enough rest and in that instance how can the ICC allocate a qualifying tournament for the ICC. The solution should be, there should be a qualification round like the Test Championships and the team should be ranked and picked for the Olympics according to that ranking rather than conducting a separate tournament.

The sole reason FIFA has implemented rules to participate in the Olympics is because they do not want the Olympics to be bigger than the World Cup and ICC should follow that guideline.

There are many ways we can do things like FIFA and ICC can also have good benefits from these aspects, but they are not loyalist like FIFA officials for this game, so we are having troubles and activities which are not helpful for the cricket like if ICC officials talk to IOC then surely we can also send teams U-23, and then we also can arrange qualifiers as well which will help the game and also increase market for this game as well but here ICC is doing only tricks and never want cricket could be part of this global system.

Here we have U-19 events, so we can arrange U-23 qualifiers for the game as well which many other beneficial things can also happen but for this all we need big heart and positive mind peoples in the ICC management.

[romero121]

Most of the team sports in Olympics have either 12 or 16 participants. For football, it is 16 (with almost 200 countries participating in the qualifier tournament), while for other sports such as basketball, field hockey and volleyball it is 12. IMO, 12 should be a good number for cricket, for both the men's and women's tournaments. And the IOC has ruled out T10 format, because they want a format which is played regularly. But then, a normal T20 game takes at least 3 to 3.5 hours to get completed.

The main issue with the bid from ICC is that they don't have any qualifying tournament. They want teams to be selected on the basis of ICC ranking, which is biased towards the full members. IOC wants a fair pathway for all the competing nations and they will definitely shoot down this obscene proposal from the ICC. And perhaps this is exactly what the ICC want.

Its still not finalized by IOC that whether or not cricket is included in 2028 LA Olympics (final decision expected in Oct this year). You are talking about 12 teams but ICC has proposed six-team T20 events for both men and women for 2028 LA Olympics. Its a great move by ICC to take cricket to biggest sporting event after giving a delay of many decades.
Cricket biggest problem is very limited number of test teams and new countries are not joining in. Reason is not clear that why new teams are not coming in this sports.

ICC proposing 6 teams is a way to keep the Olympic matches not that interesting. More the teams more will be the interest in watching it. ICC might've felt of losing importance of different tournaments and leagues. Cricket is played on different countries, but they doesn't make themselves into the next levels. In recent years it is Netherlands, Ireland that have made good progress. Not much teams into test format cricket, because huge funding is required.

[noormcs5]

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The main issue with the bid from ICC is that they don't have any qualifying tournament. They want teams to be selected on the basis of ICC ranking, which is biased towards the full members. IOC wants a fair pathway for all the competing nations and they will definitely shoot down this obscene proposal from the ICC. And perhaps this is exactly what the ICC want.

Even now the schedule is full and every player is complaining that they are not getting enough rest and in that instance how can the ICC allocate a qualifying tournament for the ICC. The solution should be, there should be a qualification round like the Test Championships and the team should be ranked and picked for the Olympics according to that ranking rather than conducting a separate tournament.

The sole reason FIFA has implemented rules to participate in the Olympics is because they do not want the Olympics to be bigger than the World Cup and ICC should follow that guideline.

To be very honest, i would not blame ICC if the players are not getting enough rest. Basically there are so many leagues these days and they give good money to the players so every cricketer wants to be part of each and every one of them.

Since they also have to play for their own country, this will make their schedule more busy. I would blame cricketers for being remain busy in playing for most part of the year and not getting the appropriate rest. Greediness of earning money is something to be blamed for and not the ICC alone is responsible for it.

[Sithara007]

To be very honest, i would not blame ICC if the players are not getting enough rest. Basically there are so many leagues these days and they give good money to the players so every cricketer wants to be part of each and every one of them.

Since they also have to play for their own country, this will make their schedule more busy. I would blame cricketers for being remain busy in playing for most part of the year and not getting the appropriate rest. Greediness of earning money is something to be blamed for and not the ICC alone is responsible for it.

In that case both the ICC and the players come out openly and say that they don't want to be a part of the Olympics. They don't have the courage to do that, because if they do so then they will face a lot of backlash within the country and people will simply refuse to watch their matches. Cricket is just like any other sports. If legends like Messi and Ronaldo can take part in the Olympics (and the qualifiers), then Kohli and Hardick should do that as well. No shortcuts or direct entry will be made available for them.

And there is also another option. The Olympics football competition is essentially an U-23 tournament. Cricket can also do the same and this will stop the senior players from complaining that they are overburdened. Greed is prevalent in cricket in all spheres. I wouldn't just blame the administrators, but the players as well. Only a very few such as Sachin Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid have come openly in support of the Olympic inclusion.

[TheGreatPython]

Its still not finalized by IOC that whether or not cricket is included in 2028 LA Olympics (final decision expected in Oct this year). You are talking about 12 teams but ICC has proposed six-team T20 events for both men and women for 2028 LA Olympics. Its a great move by ICC to take cricket to biggest sporting event after giving a delay of many decades.
Cricket biggest problem is very limited number of test teams and new countries are not joining in. Reason is not clear that why new teams are not coming in this sports.

While cricket will be in Olympics 2028 or not this decision will become later but most chances we will not have because ICC is also not interested in this all as their few big players are not feeling comfortable with this all, so things are not going into favor of cricket and this all is management failure which is creating mess up about this all even inclusion of cricket in this global event is having many positive aspects with good funding as well, but we have no fair policy like in other sports like soccer, field hockey and volleyball so for me this is surely the biggest failure for them, but responsible peoples are not going to change their mindset about this all as they have own agenda for this failure.

[Tony116]

Most of the team sports in Olympics have either 12 or 16 participants. For football, it is 16 (with almost 200 countries participating in the qualifier tournament), while for other sports such as basketball, field hockey and volleyball it is 12. IMO, 12 should be a good number for cricket, for both the men's and women's tournaments. And the IOC has ruled out T10 format, because they want a format which is played regularly. But then, a normal T20 game takes at least 3 to 3.5 hours to get completed.
The main issue with the bid from ICC is that they don't have any qualifying tournament. They want teams to be selected on the basis of ICC ranking, which is biased towards the full members. IOC wants a fair pathway for all the competing nations and they will definitely shoot down this obscene proposal from the ICC. And perhaps this is exactly what the ICC want.

Its still not finalized by IOC that whether or not cricket is included in 2028 LA Olympics (final decision expected in Oct this year). You are talking about 12 teams but ICC has proposed six-team T20 events for both men and women for 2028 LA Olympics. Its a great move by ICC to take cricket to biggest sporting event after giving a delay of many decades.
Cricket biggest problem is very limited number of test teams and new countries are not joining in. Reason is not clear that why new teams are not coming in this sports.

ICC proposing 6 teams is a way to keep the Olympic matches not that interesting. More the teams more will be the interest in watching it. ICC might've felt of losing importance of different tournaments and leagues. Cricket is played on different countries, but they doesn't make themselves into the next levels. In recent years it is Netherlands, Ireland that have made good progress. Not much teams into test format cricket, because huge funding is required.

I think the biggest problem is that if ICC does decide to send 10 teams it is going to become something like a world cup. And if 10 teams are actually playing in the Olympics, what is the difference between the world cups and the Olympics?

I know that this is probably not the biggest reason, but I can think of any other reasons besides this. But that problem could have been fixed by having a qualifying round. But they did not have that as well. I really do not understand what's the point of this if they just do not want to have any competition.

[JSRAW]

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The main issue with the bid from ICC is that they don't have any qualifying tournament. They want teams to be selected on the basis of ICC ranking, which is biased towards the full members. IOC wants a fair pathway for all the competing nations and they will definitely shoot down this obscene proposal from the ICC. And perhaps this is exactly what the ICC want.

Even now the schedule is full and every player is complaining that they are not getting enough rest and in that instance how can the ICC allocate a qualifying tournament for the ICC. The solution should be, there should be a qualification round like the Test Championships and the team should be ranked and picked for the Olympics according to that ranking rather than conducting a separate tournament.

The sole reason FIFA has implemented rules to participate in the Olympics is because they do not want the Olympics to be bigger than the World Cup and ICC should follow that guideline.

To be very honest, i would not blame ICC if the players are not getting enough rest. Basically there are so many leagues these days and they give good money to the players so every cricketer wants to be part of each and every one of them.

Since they also have to play for their own country, this will make their schedule more busy. I would blame cricketers for being remain busy in playing for most part of the year and not getting the appropriate rest. Greediness of earning money is something to be blamed for and not the ICC alone is responsible for it.

It comes after 4 years and it's less than a 3-week event at best so technically there shouldn't be any complaint about a busy schedule.

Having said that there is no doubt that ICC's fantasy of organizing ICC events every year + Money making T-20 leagues all around the world (mainly IPL) + Bilaterals + 3 formats do create a jam-packed schedule but at the same time only PIG-3 play ridiculously amount of cricket every year.

Just for starters, I wonder if it's possible that all stakeholders can allow u-19 or u-21 teams to participate in the Olympics instead of senior teams. This will solve the schedule issue and more teams can participate.