Cricket match prediction discussions

[Sithara007]

Do you think if there is a massive demand from the fans, ICC will be changing the rules. The reason ICC shifted to Dubai in 2005 is because they were greeted by the UAE government with massive tax benefits and they are enjoying those benefits till now and you think the ICC will change them according to popular demand even if there is one .

You need to understand we are here talking about making cricket popular, if they are not having any local representatives the best they can do is to hire players and then create interest so that the local population will take up the sport.

There is no tax system in GCC nations and that is one of the reasons why a part of the IPL 2021 was played there. The ICC also has it's benefits since the headquarters is situated in Dubai. But at the same time, UAE is also benefitting in a big way. Cities such as Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Sharjah are being considered as epicenters of match fixing. Facilities such as the ICC Academy employ a lot of locals and contribute to the local economy in a positive way. So we can't say that it is just a one way street.

[galambo]

There is good news for PCB as New Zealand to compensate Pakistan for aborted tour in 2021. Along with an undisclosed sum, New Zealand will play extra games when the two sides meet in Pakistan next year
PCB has suffered alot in last 10 years but now things are coming positive for PCB as Aussies just toured Pakistan, England and New Zealand to tour Pakistan next.

[S A KHAIR]

Do you think if there is a massive demand from the fans, ICC will be changing the rules. The reason ICC shifted to Dubai in 2005 is because they were greeted by the UAE government with massive tax benefits and they are enjoying those benefits till now and you think the ICC will change them according to popular demand even if there is one .
You need to understand we are here talking about making cricket popular, if they are not having any local representatives the best they can do is to hire players and then create interest so that the local population will take up the sport.

There is no tax system in GCC nations and that is one of the reasons why a part of the IPL 2021 was played there. The ICC also has it's benefits since the headquarters is situated in Dubai. But at the same time, UAE is also benefitting in a big way. Cities such as Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Sharjah are being considered as epicenters of match fixing. Facilities such as the ICC Academy employ a lot of locals and contribute to the local economy in a positive way. So we can't say that it is just a one way street.

As far as I see this IPL was played there because both parties had their benefits from that. ICC is all about benefits. ICC will always look for its benefit even though it might not be so great for cricket as a game. And you know, cricket is something where everybody seems to be looking at the benefits more than how to make this better.

[Sithara007]

There is good news for PCB as New Zealand to compensate Pakistan for aborted tour in 2021. Along with an undisclosed sum, New Zealand will play extra games when the two sides meet in Pakistan next year
PCB has suffered alot in last 10 years but now things are coming positive for PCB as Aussies just toured Pakistan, England and New Zealand to tour Pakistan next.

LOL.. that gives rise to the most important question. Will BCCI follow suit and compensate PCB? As far as I know, they haven't toured Pakistan for the last two decades or so. If I am not wrong, the last tour of Pakistan by the Indian national team was in 2006. India was supposed to tour Pakistan in 2009, but that tour was cancelled after the Mumbai attacks (2008). Ideally, either the BCCI or the ICC should have compensated the PCB for the cancelled tour. Because it was supposed to be a reciprocatory tour in response to the 2007 tour by Pakistan to India.

[JSRAW]

There is good news for PCB as New Zealand to compensate Pakistan for aborted tour in 2021. Along with an undisclosed sum, New Zealand will play extra games when the two sides meet in Pakistan next year
PCB has suffered alot in last 10 years but now things are coming positive for PCB as Aussies just toured Pakistan, England and New Zealand to tour Pakistan next.

LOL.. that gives rise to the most important question. Will BCCI follow suit and compensate PCB? As far as I know, they haven't toured Pakistan for the last two decades or so. If I am not wrong, the last tour of Pakistan by the Indian national team was in 2006. India was supposed to tour Pakistan in 2009, but that tour was cancelled after the Mumbai attacks (2008). Ideally, either the BCCI or the ICC should have compensated the PCB for the cancelled tour. Because it was supposed to be a reciprocatory tour in response to the 2007 tour by Pakistan to India.

Haha You know what funny part is?

PCB did file a case against BCCI but they lost the suit and additionally $2.2 Million, they even had to pay BCCI 1.6 million dollars as compensation for covering the cost, fees etc.

This case was related to 2015-2023 bilateral proposal between both boards.

PCB pays compensation to BCCI after losing case in the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee

[sovie]

There is good news for PCB as New Zealand to compensate Pakistan for aborted tour in 2021. Along with an undisclosed sum, New Zealand will play extra games when the two sides meet in Pakistan next year
PCB has suffered alot in last 10 years but now things are coming positive for PCB as Aussies just toured Pakistan, England and New Zealand to tour Pakistan next.

LOL.. that gives rise to the most important question. Will BCCI follow suit and compensate PCB? As far as I know, they haven't toured Pakistan for the last two decades or so. If I am not wrong, the last tour of Pakistan by the Indian national team was in 2006. India was supposed to tour Pakistan in 2009, but that tour was cancelled after the Mumbai attacks (2008). Ideally, either the BCCI or the ICC should have compensated the PCB for the cancelled tour. Because it was supposed to be a reciprocatory tour in response to the 2007 tour by Pakistan to India.

Haha You know what funny part is?

PCB did file a case against BCCI but they lost the suit and additionally $2.2 Million, they even had to pay BCCI 1.6 million dollars as compensation for covering the cost, fees etc.

This case was related to 2015-2023 bilateral proposal between both boards.

PCB pays compensation to BCCI after losing case in the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee

You know what - that is not funny at all.
India would always play games to keep PK away from the international cricket. So that they are always in trouble - but I hope God plans are more powerful than men's plan. Why are Indian always happy when something bad happens?

[Iranus]

There is good news for PCB as New Zealand to compensate Pakistan for aborted tour in 2021. Along with an undisclosed sum, New Zealand will play extra games when the two sides meet in Pakistan next year
PCB has suffered alot in last 10 years but now things are coming positive for PCB as Aussies just toured Pakistan, England and New Zealand to tour Pakistan next.

LOL.. that gives rise to the most important question. Will BCCI follow suit and compensate PCB? As far as I know, they haven't toured Pakistan for the last two decades or so. If I am not wrong, the last tour of Pakistan by the Indian national team was in 2006. India was supposed to tour Pakistan in 2009, but that tour was cancelled after the Mumbai attacks (2008). Ideally, either the BCCI or the ICC should have compensated the PCB for the cancelled tour. Because it was supposed to be a reciprocatory tour in response to the 2007 tour by Pakistan to India.

Haha You know what funny part is?
PCB did file a case against BCCI but they lost the suit and additionally $2.2 Million, they even had to pay BCCI 1.6 million dollars as compensation for covering the cost, fees etc.
This case was related to 2015-2023 bilateral proposal between both boards.
PCB pays compensation to BCCI after losing case in the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee

Well, at least we are hearing some good news for the Pakistan cricket board, right? They have been suffering a lot for a long time and recently it looks like things might change in favor of them. And this also means that we are going to see a lot more cricket taking place in Pakistan. This is obviously great news for Pakistan.

[eaLiTy]

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You know what - that is not funny at all.
India would always play games to keep PK away from the international cricket. So that they are always in trouble - but I hope God plans are more powerful than men's plan. Why are Indian always happy when something bad happens?

How can India play games on keeping Pakistan away from International Cricket, the sole reason the teams were afraid of touring Pakistan is simply because of security threats and the attack against Sri Lanka team while they were touring and some of the players were injured with bull wounds and it was an unfortunate incident and hence there was no tour planned for decades. I suggest not to drag politics here in the forum.

[Sithara007]

Haha You know what funny part is?

PCB did file a case against BCCI but they lost the suit and additionally $2.2 Million, they even had to pay BCCI 1.6 million dollars as compensation for covering the cost, fees etc.

This case was related to 2015-2023 bilateral proposal between both boards.

PCB pays compensation to BCCI after losing case in the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee

Don't know whether the ruling is acceptable to everyone. Anyway, the decision of the Dispute Resolution Committee is final and can't be appealed. PCB was already in a poor financial state, and they got slapped with additional expenditure. My take is that since Pakistan toured India in 2007, the BCCI should have reciprocated the favor. The MoU may not be legally binding, but going with the agreement they should have done that. Anyway, now any such tour looks like a distant possibility, at least for the next 10 years.

[JSRAW]

Haha You know what funny part is?

PCB did file a case against BCCI but they lost the suit and additionally $2.2 Million, they even had to pay BCCI 1.6 million dollars as compensation for covering the cost, fees etc.

This case was related to 2015-2023 bilateral proposal between both boards.

PCB pays compensation to BCCI after losing case in the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee

Don't know whether the ruling is acceptable to everyone. Anyway, the decision of the Dispute Resolution Committee is final and can't be appealed. PCB was already in a poor financial state, and they got slapped with additional expenditure. My take is that since Pakistan toured India in 2007, the BCCI should have reciprocated the favor. The MoU may not be legally binding, but going with the agreement they should have done that. Anyway, now any such tour looks like a distant possibility, at least for the next 10 years.

BCCI never signed any MOU documents after Mumbai terror attack and i can't blame them for that, you can't expect any favor after butchering innocent people in Financial city of India. Although both boards did try to calm things down after 2013-14 and bilateral series was looking real deal but then Pathankot happened and all 2-3 efforts went down the drain overnight, as everybody knows public sentiments already were not favorable at all due to continuous cross border terrorism. 

[YinShuiSiYuan]

BCCI never signed any MOU documents after Mumbai terror attack and i can't blame them for that, you can't expect any favor after butchering innocent people in Financial city of India. Although both boards did try to calm things down after 2013-14 and bilateral series was looking real deal but then Pathankot happened and all 2-3 efforts went down the drain overnight, as everybody knows public sentiments already were not favorable at all due to continuous cross border terrorism.  

Pakistan in 2012/13 toured India https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-india-2012-13-589300/match-results and played 3 ODIs and 2 T20Is. Since it was financially in favour of India so Mumbai and Pathankot incidents were set aside. But when India was required to tour back they recalled Mumbai and Pathankot. India has taken full advantage of Mumbia attacks in establishing its narrative worldwide (they planned it very well) while Pakistan is the one who suffered this incident - Pakistan government spokesman said years back.

[Iranus]

Haha You know what funny part is?
PCB did file a case against BCCI but they lost the suit and additionally $2.2 Million, they even had to pay BCCI 1.6 million dollars as compensation for covering the cost, fees etc.
This case was related to 2015-2023 bilateral proposal between both boards.
PCB pays compensation to BCCI after losing case in the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee

Don't know whether the ruling is acceptable to everyone. Anyway, the decision of the Dispute Resolution Committee is final and can't be appealed. PCB was already in a poor financial state, and they got slapped with additional expenditure. My take is that since Pakistan toured India in 2007, the BCCI should have reciprocated the favor. The MoU may not be legally binding, but going with the agreement they should have done that. Anyway, now any such tour looks like a distant possibility, at least for the next 10 years.

BCCI never signed any MOU documents after Mumbai terror attack and i can't blame them for that, you can't expect any favor after butchering innocent people in Financial city of India. Although both boards did try to calm things down after 2013-14 and bilateral series was looking real deal but then Pathankot happened and all 2-3 efforts went down the drain overnight, as everybody knows public sentiments already were not favorable at all due to continuous cross border terrorism.  

There are always going to be problems between these countries. and these problems are often triggered by the religious differences between the two countries.
You know, the people who are reliable for triggering these problems are powerful people.

Another thing is there are too many differences in these countries and that's why these problems are continuous. I don't blame any team for not playing with others in this situation.

[sovie]

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You know what - that is not funny at all.
India would always play games to keep PK away from the international cricket. So that they are always in trouble - but I hope God plans are more powerful than men's plan. Why are Indian always happy when something bad happens?

How can India play games on keeping Pakistan away from International Cricket, the sole reason the teams were afraid of touring Pakistan is simply because of security threats and the attack against Sri Lanka team while they were touring and some of the players were injured with bull wounds and it was an unfortunate incident and hence there was no tour planned for decades. I suggest not to drag politics here in the forum.

Well its not dragging politics here. But cricket and politics are linked somehow.
If we start dragging these issue they will lead to a trouble but that is also true how hard Paksitan tries to bring things on a peaceful level there are always a trouble and IND celebrates it.

[Sithara007]

Pakistan in 2012/13 toured India https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-india-2012-13-589300/match-results and played 3 ODIs and 2 T20Is. Since it was financially in favour of India so Mumbai and Pathankot incidents were set aside. But when India was required to tour back they recalled Mumbai and Pathankot. India has taken full advantage of Mumbia attacks in establishing its narrative worldwide (they planned it very well) while Pakistan is the one who suffered this incident - Pakistan government spokesman said years back.

In my opinion, politics should be kept aside from sports. Here the real problem is not with PCB or BCCI, but with the ICC. The ICC should ask the Indian board to pay compensation, in case they are unable to tour Pakistan. If a small board such as New Zealand can compensate Pakistan for their inability to tour, then a rich board such as BCCI should definitely do that one moral grounds. Take the case of football. North Korea participated in the 2010 FIFA world cup, despite the fact that they have horrible relations with their neighbors and with the United States. Sports help us to alleviate political tensions. And the same approach can be tried with India and Pakistan as well.

[Juggy777]

Pakistan in 2012/13 toured India https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-india-2012-13-589300/match-results and played 3 ODIs and 2 T20Is. Since it was financially in favour of India so Mumbai and Pathankot incidents were set aside. But when India was required to tour back they recalled Mumbai and Pathankot. India has taken full advantage of Mumbia attacks in establishing its narrative worldwide (they planned it very well) while Pakistan is the one who suffered this incident - Pakistan government spokesman said years back.

In my opinion, politics should be kept aside from sports. Here the real problem is not with PCB or BCCI, but with the ICC. The ICC should ask the Indian board to pay compensation, in case they are unable to tour Pakistan. If a small board such as New Zealand can compensate Pakistan for their inability to tour, then a rich board such as BCCI should definitely do that one moral grounds. Take the case of football. North Korea participated in the 2010 FIFA world cup, despite the fact that they have horrible relations with their neighbors and with the United States. Sports help us to alleviate political tensions. And the same approach can be tried with India and Pakistan as well.

@Sithara007 I don’t think that BCCI will compensate Pakistan, but why can’t they allow India to play Pakistan on a neutral venue like Dubai and this way both the teams can earn some revenues, and both countries fans too want to see them on the pitch against one another. Furthermore ICC failed to force India to play against Pakistan, but I hope that in coming year’s these two can face off against each other in ODI and T20 series, and I’m sure that we’ll witness even bigger coverage then what Ashes gets.

[blatchcorn]

In my opinion, politics should be kept aside from sports. Here the real problem is not with PCB or BCCI, but with the ICC. The ICC should ask the Indian board to pay compensation, in case they are unable to tour Pakistan. If a small board such as New Zealand can compensate Pakistan for their inability to tour, then a rich board such as BCCI should definitely do that one moral grounds. Take the case of football. North Korea participated in the 2010 FIFA world cup, despite the fact that they have horrible relations with their neighbors and with the United States. Sports help us to alleviate political tensions. And the same approach can be tried with India and Pakistan as well.

We all know that ICC is now a days in full control of India, Australia and England. Pakistan being arch rival of India has very rear chances of getting any benefit from ICC and too against India. Keep cricket limited to few countries and big 3 will take full advantage of that. Since that's not the case with football that's why the case you are referring happens not in cricket.   

[CryptoYar]

BCCI never signed any MOU documents after Mumbai terror attack and i can't blame them for that, you can't expect any favor after butchering innocent people in Financial city of India.

Proxy war has always been going on in both the countries and you can't say that only India has suffered the loss. Pakistan also huge terrorist attacks have been carried out by India.
Moreover, India trying hard to destroy Pakistan cricket, and it is on record that galbushan yadav was the mastermind behind many terror attacks (And the attack on Sri Lankan team was one of them)

[...]but I hope that in coming year’s these two can face off against each other in ODI and T20 series, [..]

We can only hope that both countries will forget their past bitterness and become friends and then we will see such cricket series(s)

[YinShuiSiYuan]

Proxy war has always been going on in both the countries and you can't say that only India has suffered the loss. Pakistan also huge terrorist attacks have been carried out by India.
Moreover, India trying hard to destroy Pakistan cricket, and it is on record that galbushan yadav was the mastermind behind many terror attacks (And the attack on Sri Lankan team was one of them)

India can bear any financial loss as long as it hurts PCB. BCCI is richest board and can easily digest losses incurred by not touring Pakistan, But PCB is not in a position to bear any financial loss. Role of ICC is very important in this case, but sadly its no where seen. I remember in 90s, ICC still have some say but these days its just a symbolic authority.

[Sithara007]

India can bear any financial loss as long as it hurts PCB. BCCI is richest board and can easily digest losses incurred by not touring Pakistan, But PCB is not in a position to bear any financial loss. Role of ICC is very important in this case, but sadly its no where seen. I remember in 90s, ICC still have some say but these days its just a symbolic authority.

If the countries outside big-4 unite, then it will be possible to free ICC from the control of a few powerful boards. But that is not the case now, as seen from the election of ICC chairman. Greg Barclay was the nominee from big-4 and still he was able to secure two-thirds of the votes. PCB should be supported by other smaller boards such as CSA, BCB and WICB. But as we have seen from previous instances, these smaller boards are very dependent on the BCCI and never take any step that antagonizes the Indian board.

[JSRAW]

If the countries outside big-4 unite, then it will be possible to free ICC from the control of a few powerful boards. But that is not the case now, as seen from the election of ICC chairman. Greg Barclay was the nominee from big-4 and still he was able to secure two-thirds of the votes. PCB should be supported by other smaller boards such as CSA, BCB and WICB. But as we have seen from previous instances, these smaller boards are very dependent on the BCCI and never take any step that antagonizes the Indian board.

Ganging up is only going to help with the votings, like we witnessed couple of times. Otherwise i don't see anything substantial coming out from any rebellion grouping. But yeah if they can become self sufficient then it's completely different story.

Just to give others one example how WICB, CSA etc are completely dependent on BIG-3 for bilateral series, specially BCCI. Single bilateral tour which last for max 1 month generate minimum $80-90 Millions easily, not sure if these boards are going to upset BIG-3 in any drastic way.

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Actual figures are more than $100 millions according to WICB's recent interview.