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We no longer have bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee in international cricket. Such bowlers are not suitable for the T20 format, and for the last one decade or so, I haven't seen anyone bowling at average speeds of ~95mph, as Akhar and Lee used to do. One issue is the strict conditions put forward by the ICC to impose penalty on slow over rates. Bowlers like Akhtar takes a lot more time to finish their spell compared to medium pacers, and with that comes a greater risk of the team getting punished for slow over rates.

In T20 its the case that you pay huge penalty in case of slow over rate but in ODI and Test you can have this leverage. Muhammad Hasnain is the latest one who bowled at 155 kmph which is quite good compared to Shoaib Akhat 161 kmph. But Muhammad Hasnain is going through re-hab to correct his action, lets see whether he can come up with 155 with new action.

I think it's gonna be tough, really tough for him to produce 155 with his new action. It will probably be good enough but I highly doubt that the pace and also the skill is going to be the same. Even if he does manage to produce good skills I think the base is certainly going to drop.

The great bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar and Brett Lee take quite a bit of time to finish their spell but it is also worth it. And I certainly think that it is a really bad rule for the bowlers because a bowler is at his best when he takes his time and thinks about what he is going to do. On the other hand, it also gives the batsman a good rhythm to bat."

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I think it's gonna be tough, really tough for him to produce 155 with his new action. It will probably be good enough but I highly doubt that the pace and also the skill is going to be the same. Even if he does manage to produce good skills I think the base is certainly going to drop.

We have to wait and see how he return back. He is just 23 years old and he has lots of cricket left. In Feb this year he was found to breached the ICC's 15-degree limit for elbow extension. I think he is very young and can bowl well with his new action, there are no details of who is assisting him in correcting his action.

[Sithara007]

We no longer have bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee in international cricket. Such bowlers are not suitable for the T20 format, and for the last one decade or so, I haven't seen anyone bowling at average speeds of ~95mph, as Akhar and Lee used to do. One issue is the strict conditions put forward by the ICC to impose penalty on slow over rates. Bowlers like Akhtar takes a lot more time to finish their spell compared to medium pacers, and with that comes a greater risk of the team getting punished for slow over rates.

In T20 its the case that you pay huge penalty in case of slow over rate but in ODI and Test you can have this leverage. Muhammad Hasnain is the latest one who bowled at 155 kmph which is quite good compared to Shoaib Akhat 161 kmph. But Muhammad Hasnain is going through re-hab to correct his action, lets see whether he can come up with 155 with new action.

I am not much hopeful about Hasnain. In the past I have seen a lot of bowlers undergoing re-hab. Only a very few returned to the international scene after doing so. I really doubt whether we will ever get to see someone like Akhtar or Lee again in international cricket. Nowadays I don't see any bowler even attempting to break the 100 mph barrier. Back then, in addition to Akhtar and Lee, we had at least half a dozen bowlers including Shane Bond and Mfuneko Ngam. The last time someone hit the 160 kmph mark was in 2015, when Mitchell Starc had one of his deliveries clocked at 160.4 km/hr (99.7 mph) against New Zealand.

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I am not much hopeful about Hasnain. In the past I have seen a lot of bowlers undergoing re-hab. Only a very few returned to the international scene after doing so. I really doubt whether we will ever get to see someone like Akhtar or Lee again in international cricket. Nowadays I don't see any bowler even attempting to break the 100 mph barrier. Back then, in addition to Akhtar and Lee, we had at least half a dozen bowlers including Shane Bond and Mfuneko Ngam. The last time someone hit the 160 kmph mark was in 2015, when Mitchell Starc had one of his deliveries clocked at 160.4 km/hr (99.7 mph) against New Zealand.

You are very much right as nobody came back after correcting his action. Bowling action is something gifted by nature and you cant make it yourself using technology. In T20 cricket there is no respect for bowlers, you bowl a good delivery and got six on it and got wicket on poor delivery. Hasnain is just 23 years and lets hope he resumes his cricket with correct action.

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I am not much hopeful about Hasnain. In the past I have seen a lot of bowlers undergoing re-hab. Only a very few returned to the international scene after doing so. I really doubt whether we will ever get to see someone like Akhtar or Lee again in international cricket. Nowadays I don't see any bowler even attempting to break the 100 mph barrier. Back then, in addition to Akhtar and Lee, we had at least half a dozen bowlers including Shane Bond and Mfuneko Ngam. The last time someone hit the 160 kmph mark was in 2015, when Mitchell Starc had one of his deliveries clocked at 160.4 km/hr (99.7 mph) against New Zealand.

You are very much right as nobody came back after correcting his action. Bowling action is something gifted by nature and you cant make it yourself using technology. In T20 cricket there is no respect for bowlers, you bowl a good delivery and got six on it and got wicket on poor delivery. Hasnain is just 23 years and lets hope he resumes his cricket with correct action.

@Sithara007 you’re correct because he’ll have to drop pace to get his action corrected, but if he can somehow yet manage to get those speedy balls on the stumps then he’ll become a nightmare for the batsman. Furthermore at his age I’m sure that he’ll be able to bounce back, but he should be slowly used so his body can adjust to the new action.

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@Sithara007 you’re correct because he’ll have to drop pace to get his action corrected, but if he can somehow yet manage to get those speedy balls on the stumps then he’ll become a nightmare for the batsman. Furthermore at his age I’m sure that he’ll be able to bounce back, but he should be slowly used so his body can adjust to the new action.

It's very much on PCB that how much time they will spend in correcting his error. New bowling action can also go wrong once you go in pressure conditions. He has lots of time at his disposal but he must also be worried that if some other took his place in the team then it will be difficult to get back.

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Yeah, Pakistan is well known for its all form of bowlers. Each bowler too have some names to mention their bowling. For Shoaib Akhtar it is Rawalpindi Express. Young players are much in Pakistan, but very few gets the opportunity. I believe there are more academies for cricket, but what is necessary is the playing experience against a team than the net practice. Right now they've got PSL which will surely make more young players shine for Pakistan.

PSL can bring a positive change in identifying new talents and it is evident in the IPL, there are bowlers who i am seeing for the first time who is bowling at really good pace and i usually do not watch the IPL but this year i am watching most of the matches because i entered the competition here and placing bet on matches.

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Abdul Qadir, Saqlain, Mushtaq, Wasim etc were lucky enough to play cricket before the era of this technology and Big-3. Now only players of small boards action are reported, you will never see any talented bowler from big 3 getting banned. Now there is need to have some sort of guidance during initial days of bowler to report his action.

Abdul Qadir and Mushtaq Ahmed are leg spinners and no one could throw a ball bowling leg spin and hence no complaints can be raised even if you wanted and Wasim Akram was a fast bowler who never faced any controversy in his bowling action rather he was praised for his skill level globally. I am not sure which of your favorite players were reported for illegal action  .

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Yeah, Pakistan is well known for its all form of bowlers. Each bowler too have some names to mention their bowling. For Shoaib Akhtar it is Rawalpindi Express. Young players are much in Pakistan, but very few gets the opportunity. I believe there are more academies for cricket, but what is necessary is the playing experience against a team than the net practice. Right now they've got PSL which will surely make more young players shine for Pakistan.

PSL can bring a positive change in identifying new talents and it is evident in the IPL, there are bowlers who i am seeing for the first time who is bowling at really good pace and i usually do not watch the IPL but this year i am watching most of the matches because i entered the competition here and placing bet on matches.

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Abdul Qadir, Saqlain, Mushtaq, Wasim etc were lucky enough to play cricket before the era of this technology and Big-3. Now only players of small boards action are reported, you will never see any talented bowler from big 3 getting banned. Now there is need to have some sort of guidance during initial days of bowler to report his action.

Abdul Qadir and Mushtaq Ahmed are leg spinners and no one could throw a ball bowling leg spin and hence no complaints can be raised even if you wanted and Wasim Akram was a fast bowler who never faced any controversy in his bowling action rather he was praised for his skill level globally. I am not sure which of your favorite players were reported for illegal action  .

I think in modern time when there is such a huge media coverage - and the time which is called an era of social media. Celebrities are very conscious and they try to keep themselves away from controversies because the news spread like a wild fire. With this we hear less controversial news about celebrities.

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I am not much hopeful about Hasnain. In the past I have seen a lot of bowlers undergoing re-hab. Only a very few returned to the international scene after doing so. I really doubt whether we will ever get to see someone like Akhtar or Lee again in international cricket. Nowadays I don't see any bowler even attempting to break the 100 mph barrier. Back then, in addition to Akhtar and Lee, we had at least half a dozen bowlers including Shane Bond and Mfuneko Ngam. The last time someone hit the 160 kmph mark was in 2015, when Mitchell Starc had one of his deliveries clocked at 160.4 km/hr (99.7 mph) against New Zealand.

You are very much right as nobody came back after correcting his action. Bowling action is something gifted by nature and you cant make it yourself using technology. In T20 cricket there is no respect for bowlers, you bowl a good delivery and got six on it and got wicket on poor delivery. Hasnain is just 23 years and lets hope he resumes his cricket with correct action.

@Sithara007 you’re correct because he’ll have to drop pace to get his action corrected, but if he can somehow yet manage to get those speedy balls on the stumps then he’ll become a nightmare for the batsman. Furthermore at his age I’m sure that he’ll be able to bounce back, but he should be slowly used so his body can adjust to the new action.

^ It is certainly going to affect him no doubt. But will he be able to perform like before is the real test for him. The speed will reduce a little and we understand that.
But, I would really like him to hone his skills really well. So that even if he loses a little speed he is still a nightmare for any batsman. Even though it seems like cricket has evolved so much and change of pace is a lot more important than bowling at 150 plus consistently, I think he will do great.

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^ It is certainly going to affect him no doubt. But will he be able to perform like before is the real test for him. The speed will reduce a little and we understand that.
But, I would really like him to hone his skills really well. So that even if he loses a little speed he is still a nightmare for any batsman. Even though it seems like cricket has evolved so much and change of pace is a lot more important than bowling at 150 plus consistently, I think he will do great.

We all are looking forward to see Hasnain back in action but seeing the previous data available there are not much hopes. The only thing going in favor of Hasnain is that he is young and may be he can mold himself in new bowling action. It will be good if he can maintain both his pace and consistency with new bowling action.

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India still is far behind Pakistan and Australia in pace attack they have good batsmen and spinners. Only we saw medium fast bowlers in Indian team. Zaheer khan, Irfan pathan are two quality fast bowlers in the squad right now it's Bumrah who is there main pace bowlers but as I said they never have genuine Fast bowler like Shoaib  Akhtar or Brett Lee.

Pakistani strength is the bowling and they look towards their bowler for a win - although in the recent Aussie and Pakistan series, Pakistan did well in batting line as well.. But I agree that Pakistan produced a lot of good bowlers and they made their mark in the world.

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Abdul Qadir and Mushtaq Ahmed are leg spinners and no one could throw a ball bowling leg spin and hence no complaints can be raised even if you wanted and Wasim Akram was a fast bowler who never faced any controversy in his bowling action rather he was praised for his skill level globally. I am not sure which of your favorite players were reported for illegal action  .

Mushtaq and Qadir used to bowl in 80s and early 90s, do we have such sophisticated technology and strict rules at that time? How about Saeed Ajmal ? He was also a leg spinner and doing so good before got banned for illegal action. I don't know why any bolwer from big 3 is reported.

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Mushtaq and Qadir used to bowl in 80s and early 90s, do we have such sophisticated technology and strict rules at that time? How about Saeed Ajmal ? He was also a leg spinner and doing so good before got banned for illegal action. I don't know why any bolwer from big 3 is reported.

I am watching Cricket from the 80s and you want to hear about anyone from India who was reported for illegal bowling action, Harbhajan Singh was reported and he rectified his bowling action and came back, all of the bowlers that were reported used to rectify their bowling issues and return back. Since you asked for specific bowlers reported from India alone, i will give you a list of bowlers, Sachin Chaudhari, Sarandeep Singh, Siddharth Trivedi.

So lets not create a narrative that only players from countries that are not part of big 3 will be reported.

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I am watching Cricket from the 80s and you want to hear about anyone from India who was reported for illegal bowling action, Harbhajan Singh was reported and he rectified his bowling action and came back, all of the bowlers that were reported used to rectify their bowling issues and return back. Since you asked for specific bowlers reported from India alone, i will give you a list of bowlers, Sachin Chaudhari, Sarandeep Singh, Siddharth Trivedi.

So lets not create a narrative that only players from countries that are not part of big 3 will be reported.

Only harbhajan was top bowler reported and miraculously he corrected his bowling others bowlers were not of world class. While players from Pakistan continue to face this illegal bowling action ban like saeed ajmal, Muhammad hafeez and latest is Muhammad hasnain.

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I am watching Cricket from the 80s and you want to hear about anyone from India who was reported for illegal bowling action, Harbhajan Singh was reported and he rectified his bowling action and came back, all of the bowlers that were reported used to rectify their bowling issues and return back. Since you asked for specific bowlers reported from India alone, i will give you a list of bowlers, Sachin Chaudhari, Sarandeep Singh, Siddharth Trivedi.

So lets not create a narrative that only players from countries that are not part of big 3 will be reported.

Only harbhajan was top bowler reported and miraculously he corrected his bowling others bowlers were not of world class. While players from Pakistan continue to face this illegal bowling action ban like saeed ajmal, Muhammad hafeez and latest is Muhammad hasnain.

I agree here with this mostly bowlers from Pakistan and Sri Lanka reported for illegal action and then mostly they side-lined for this offence because mostly have no latest technology and relative things for settling their action, so they lost their career we have many examples, but we have never these things happened in big three countries and if sometime someone talks about this then these big three have shut up call for this so no one can go against them.

Few decades back when there were no good fast bowler and West Indies were in strong position they banned more than one bouncer which hurt them very badly and then have many rules for stopping them, and they were completely successful in this case after this they have illegal action rules for countries like Pakistan and Sri Lanka now most of the rules in test and other formats are favouring batsmen which is really poor by them.

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Mushtaq and Qadir used to bowl in 80s and early 90s, do we have such sophisticated technology and strict rules at that time? How about Saeed Ajmal ? He was also a leg spinner and doing so good before got banned for illegal action. I don't know why any bolwer from big 3 is reported.

I am watching Cricket from the 80s and you want to hear about anyone from India who was reported for illegal bowling action, Harbhajan Singh was reported and he rectified his bowling action and came back, all of the bowlers that were reported used to rectify their bowling issues and return back. Since you asked for specific bowlers reported from India alone, i will give you a list of bowlers, Sachin Chaudhari, Sarandeep Singh, Siddharth Trivedi.

So lets not create a narrative that only players from countries that are not part of big 3 will be reported.

Ashwin do deserve mention in this list. In early his career he also faced similar charges but this fucker is engineer so he came up with the so called ridiculous solution. He started wearing freaking full sleeves to avoid any unnecessary attention in start of his career, i am not making this shit up as these are actually his own words. No wonder everyone hates his mf ethical mind.

PS : Big fan of Ashwin.

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The bowling correction is very common with all levels of bowlers from all countries. There is nothing as the bowlers from specific countries weren't reported. Even before entering the international cricket career players were corrected for the bowling action. The latest bowler from India to have bowling correction after suspect action is Natarajan.
Natarajan corrected his action to save career

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Ashwin do deserve mention in this list. In early his career he also faced similar charges but this fucker is engineer so he came up with the so called ridiculous solution. He started wearing freaking full sleeves to avoid any unnecessary attention in start of his career, i am not making this shit up as these are actually his own words. No wonder everyone hates his mf ethical mind.

PS : Big fan of Ashwin.

Saeed Ajmal also wear full sleeve shirt but was reported. I don't think ashwin was ever reported and corrected his action. Based on historical data any player that is reported ever has gone forever and won't ever be able to resume his international career.

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Only harbhajan was top bowler reported and miraculously he corrected his bowling others bowlers were not of world class. While players from Pakistan continue to face this illegal bowling action ban like saeed ajmal, Muhammad hafeez and latest is Muhammad hasnain.

They will monitor their on field performance once they are reported even after rectification and if they continue to bowl the same way they will get another opportunity to fix them and if they continue the same way they will get banned. Saeed Ajmal got the same opportunities and he did not rectify them and hence banned and same with Hafeez.

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Ashwin do deserve mention in this list. In early his career he also faced similar charges but this fucker is engineer so he came up with the so called ridiculous solution. He started wearing freaking full sleeves to avoid any unnecessary attention in start of his career, i am not making this shit up as these are actually his own words. No wonder everyone hates his mf ethical mind.

PS : Big fan of Ashwin.

Was not aware of this, in his youtube channel he talks openly about things he faced and share everything and may be he shared this in his youtube channel. Even with full sleeves now it is easy to identify with all the cameras available  .

[LittleBitFunny]

I am watching Cricket from the 80s and you want to hear about anyone from India who was reported for illegal bowling action, Harbhajan Singh was reported and he rectified his bowling action and came back, all of the bowlers that were reported used to rectify their bowling issues and return back. Since you asked for specific bowlers reported from India alone, i will give you a list of bowlers, Sachin Chaudhari, Sarandeep Singh, Siddharth Trivedi.
So lets not create a narrative that only players from countries that are not part of big 3 will be reported.

Only harbhajan was top bowler reported and miraculously he corrected his bowling others bowlers were not of world class. While players from Pakistan continue to face this illegal bowling action ban like saeed ajmal, Muhammad hafeez and latest is Muhammad hasnain.

I agree here with this mostly bowlers from Pakistan and Sri Lanka reported for illegal action and then mostly they side-lined for this offence because mostly have no latest technology and relative things for settling their action, so they lost their career we have many examples, but we have never these things happened in big three countries and if sometime someone talks about this then these big three have shut up call for this so no one can go against them.
Few decades back when there were no good fast bowler and West Indies were in strong position they banned more than one bouncer which hurt them very badly and then have many rules for stopping them, and they were completely successful in this case after this they have illegal action rules for countries like Pakistan and Sri Lanka now most of the rules in test and other formats are favouring batsmen which is really poor by them.

I think these rules were made because at that time only a few countries had really good fast bowlers who were able to Bounce the ball and the top three countries were really afraid of them. And that's why the rules were being made to favor the batsman instead of the bowlers. 

But I think the rules are ok to be made like this because it is true that otherwise there will be not many runs and people are not going to enjoy Cricket like they are. It is really rare to see the bowlers from the top three get any punishment.