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December 07, 2015, 12:36:12 PM
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I need to fess up.....I have (sorta) fell off the BFL not buy wagon..sniffle ....and asic 1 night stand so to speak

Got a 60gh BFL unit for 39 bucks included the 15 or so bucks to ship such....off that 'dark web for shoppers called ebay'

.....it was a spur of the moment thing honest...won't happen again Sad

Its intended purpose is 1) paperweight 2) ego limiting device to keep me in line and off that pre-order asic crack as I have to walk by it on the shelf....

anyway starting ASIC anonymous recovery again..yes friends...I drank the BFL kool aid and am a recovering newbie asic pre-order addict.... I start again at DAY 1....

I thank you for your understanding in this manner. Then again I have gotten my BFL 60gh unit (2yrs later) and BFL corp is dead (2yrs later)....so......

Karma sucks! (right Josh....I can feel your eyeballs on this thread yet........)

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Since we're confessing I bought a BFL monarch used for $70 just for the history of it. I always wanted an ASIC for curiosities sake. What better one to buy than the first commercial manufacturers product. I figured it was toast considering the price and the company I bought it from is called wesale4you. lol    Sure enough, it arrived with two blown capacitors and a fried transistor right at the tail end of it. A friend replaced them for me and its madly hashing away at about 660 GH/s right now. I really hate to admit it but the design is pretty sexy. I love the water cooling feature. It gets crazy hot. You can fry an egg on it within 10 min of power up. That's probably why it blew out to begin with.


Been waiting for the monarchs to be below the 50 bucks range NOT WORKING .....but the heatsink and pump etc NOT leaking

I suspect (and others) that you COULD take these and put them on the knc titan 350mh miners (1 cube at least) these are scrypt miners

at that point in time if I ever wanted to try this....knc also has neptune 3TH units with similar cubes and chip size...I can get them now for 50 bucks working (1/2 speed anyway) on
ebay

so the goal would be to swap them out on the neppie cube...see if it works as a proof of concept then do so on the titan cubes

would be cool..the sad part is I bet there are BOXES  of these ..held by FTC or whatever.....too bad no access to such ..lots of knc titan owners have units more then 1 year
old running 24/7 so  many are losing some hash and are gonna delve into re-paste of the cube....add some heatsinks to some components and bigger fan per cube..hell as long as I"m doing that I"m thinking ......

alas....even BFL parts folks could use for other projects are lost in the black hole that was/is/and always will be the 'evil' that is BFL Sad

oh well damn NO I mean NO ....big ass non commercial water cooler adaptable for KNC chips ...besides maybe these monarch water cool units....damn it ...see even its evil bfl parts...are taunting me.... bfl is still an evil temptress Smiley

I fully understand. The thought of buying a garage full of these cheap throw away bastards and mining until my house burns down is tempting. While this one ROIed in about six weeks there's no guarantee that any Frankenminer I piece together will do the same.

That's what I don't understand about BFL. If they really intended to be thieving scumbags why not just let a few million dollars in preorder btc pour in and retire to a non-extradition beach house somewhere? Why spend all that money to set up a manufacturing plant in the most nanny police state in the world? Why develop such a sexy product? Oh sure, it's a little generic looking, like a video card with a corsair water cooler attached, but still a working product. The whole BFL story doesn't compute unless at some point they figured out their costs were just too high to realize any profit. They tried massively overcharging for the miners and lost sales because of it. They thought they could catch up on operating costs by "testing" their customers equipment for a little longer than they should. At that point, their customers realized they were mining with the equipment and turned them in to nanny government. They got caught in a spiral that they couldn't control. No true criminal would set up that kind of brick n mortar business in America, of all places, with the original intent to defraud. They got fucked by their own entrepreneurial spirit and naïveté.

The other side of the coin is the reason I never bought any ASIC miner before now. The customers are as naive as BFL is. If someone came up to you and promised to sell you a machine for $5k that could literally print money (not counterfeit money but real money) what would you think? I guarantee the first thing out of your mouth would be, "Why sell it? Just use your machine to print money for yourself." The logic of buying ASIC miners will always be lost on me. When I was a serious miner I had a huge setup that rivaled the pics I saw of Gigavps setup, box fans and all. The difference is, I was mining with video cards that were cheap in comparison to ASICs and I sold them to a ton of people that probably never heard of Bitcoin when I quit mining. You can't do that with an ASIC Bitcoin miner. There's only small group of people that you can sell to and they will know exactly when that miner becomes an expensive paperweight. Neither side of the coin makes any sense to me at all.

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December 07, 2015, 04:34:20 PM
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If they really intended to be thieving scumbags why not just let a few million dollars in preorder btc pour in and retire to a non-extradition beach house somewhere?

There're lots of other kinds of fraud. From day one their MO was this. Over-promise and tie up pre-order funds so that customers couldn't get refunds and/or purchase competitors' products. We even have Josh on record admitting that the delivery dates being promised were impossible. That makes them thieving scumbags.

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December 07, 2015, 07:35:55 PM
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If they really intended to be thieving scumbags why not just let a few million dollars in preorder btc pour in and retire to a non-extradition beach house somewhere?

There're lots of other kinds of fraud. From day one their MO was this. Over-promise and tie up pre-order funds so that customers couldn't get refunds and/or purchase competitors' products. We even have Josh on record admitting that the delivery dates being promised were impossible. That makes them thieving scumbags.

Oh, I know they're all thieving scumbags. Inaba should be burned at the stake just for being a horrible excuse for a human being. I just think they put in far too much effort for a preorder scam to be their original intention. They should have claimed that their facility was in some remote location that would preclude anyone from visiting them then run the preorder scam until it was bled dry. Why spend all that money to make, what I consider to be, a pretty good product? 

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December 07, 2015, 09:05:06 PM
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Why spend all that money to make, what I consider to be, a pretty good product? 

That's the genius of their scam. With a possible real product, they are mostly safe from the authorities. With a token effort at producing a real product, prosecuting them becomes quite difficult. That all hinged on pre-order funds. Now that they can't accept pre-orders, they have no way to perpetuate their scam.

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December 07, 2015, 10:07:28 PM
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If they really intended to be thieving scumbags why not just let a few million dollars in preorder btc pour in and retire to a non-extradition beach house somewhere?

There're lots of other kinds of fraud. From day one their MO was this. Over-promise and tie up pre-order funds so that customers couldn't get refunds and/or purchase competitors' products. We even have Josh on record admitting that the delivery dates being promised were impossible. That makes them thieving scumbags.

Oh, I know they're all thieving scumbags. Inaba should be burned at the stake just for being a horrible excuse for a human being. I just think they put in far too much effort for a preorder scam to be their original intention. They should have claimed that their facility was in some remote location that would preclude anyone from visiting them then run the preorder scam until it was bled dry. Why spend all that money to make, what I consider to be, a pretty good product? 

Don't forget all them backdoor dealings and mining on the side with pre-paid-for miners directing mine bitcoins to who-knows-where.
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December 08, 2015, 12:36:41 AM
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Now that they can't accept pre-orders, they have no way to perpetuate their scam.

You're awfully optimistic there. Someone like Sonny Vleisides, Jeff Ownby or Josh Zerlan would have many more scams to share with us after BFL..
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Now that they can't accept pre-orders, they have no way to perpetuate their scam.

You're awfully optimistic there. Someone like Sonny Vleisides, Jeff Ownby or Josh Zerlan would have many more scams to share with us after BFL..

I still remember like it was yesterday when BFL first came on the scene:

Random Bitcoiner: Somebody needs to go to Kansas City to their office to see if it's real.
Josh Zerlan: No need! I just looked out my window and saw that BFL's office is located across the street from my office in the Section 8 housing project. I'll snap some pics to prove to you guys that I'm not lying.
<Later that day.>
JZ: See, pics of outside the building of BFL's office. They's for-real!
<Some time later.>
JZ: Yep, I'll be testing BFL's first model at my data center. They won't get nothing past me. Proof forthcoming.
<We're still waiting for some of that proof that Josh promised to provide.>
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anything going on with the court case against BFL yet (so out of the loop)

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February 10, 2016, 12:05:41 PM
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anything going on with the court case against BFL yet (so out of the loop)

I thought it was over now. Is there a new case in a different court?

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February 10, 2016, 12:15:53 PM
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anything going on with the court case against BFL yet (so out of the loop)

I thought it was over now. Is there a new case in a different court?

in two weeksTM

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February 10, 2016, 12:43:26 PM
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anything going on with the court case against BFL yet (so out of the loop)

I thought it was over now. Is there a new case in a different court?

in two weeksTM

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You must have studied murrican government in college because you know the secret answer. lol

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February 11, 2016, 11:19:38 AM
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anything going on with the court case against BFL yet (so out of the loop)

I thought it was over now. Is there a new case in a different court?

er huh? so far out of the loop ...if all is done and settled what was the outcome?

(i assume no one went to jail or lost their $$$ just bfl corp got hit....or I'd have heard about such)

I suppose I should use 'google' or something instead ..but jeez you'd think there would be something new about anything of note on this thread?


well I did trip over this

http://www.butterflylabs.com/current_refund_efforts/

basically 1/18/16 the FTC was a 'meanie' to BTC and they lost all their money on legal fees etc ...so don't blame them (the victim bfl) blame FTC! (sheesh) or what I take away from it.


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February 11, 2016, 10:53:10 PM
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Bankruptcy due to unexpected taxes or legal fees is the ideal excuse.   In this case I wonder if the legal firm was a friend of the family and perhaps a clever way to extract money, removing cash from a failing company is a jailable offence otherwise afaik

Reminds me of Lehmans which still operates and may even repay all its debts, its just it might take 30 years

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Bankruptcy due to unexpected taxes or legal fees is the ideal excuse.   In this case I wonder if the legal firm was a friend of the family and perhaps a clever way to extract money, removing cash from a failing company is a jailable offence otherwise afaik

Reminds me of Lehmans which still operates and may even repay all its debts, its just it might take 30 years

Rest assured that the legal firm was not a friend of the family... I stand corrected after I Googled Vleisides law firm Kansas.
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http://www.coindesk.com/ftc-settles-charges-against-bitcoin-mining-firm-butterfly-labs/?utm_content=bufferb676e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


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It is pathetic that he is still listing Butterfly Labs as his employer, in addition to his new gig.



Josh: Welcome to iFLY. Ticket please. Welcome to iFLY. Ticket please.
Manager: Josh, we've noticed that you've been putting untorn tickets in your pockets. Further, we found that you are seeing them on the Internet. What say you?
Josh: You guys are monumental assholes incapable of telling the truth. I'm giving my two-week notice starting now.
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Last updated 02/18/2016

Due to FTC activity and subsequent receivership and legal fees over the last year, Butterfly Labs has insufficient funds to pay out all refund requests at the present time.

BFL Wins!

Another fail for the US agencies.

Enjoy your back full of dicks Josh!

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Last updated 02/18/2016

Due to FTC activity and subsequent receivership and legal fees over the last year, Butterfly Labs has insufficient funds to pay out all refund requests at the present time.

BFL Wins!

Another fail for the US agencies.

Enjoy your back full of dicks Josh!

Looks like the only person who successfully got served by the courts pertaining to BFL was me. Now, I come within 500 feet (or is it yards?) of Josh Zerlan walking his rainbow poodles in his BTC-House neighborhood.
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It is pathetic that he is still listing Butterfly Labs as his employer, in addition to his new gig.


Hey, I wonder if there's any reviews of Josh Zerlan at iFLY.

Hey, I found one: http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g38969-d9801022-r345615920-IFLY_Kansas_City-Overland_Park_Kansas.html

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5 of 5 starsReviewed 1 week ago via mobile

iFly is a very welcome addition to Kansas City's list of 'things to do'! We have already made several trips to fly in the tunnel and we are addicted!! It is an awesome activity for our kids. The thing that makes this place even better than most is the enthusiasm of the staff. From the moment you walk in it is obvious that everyone there sincerely loves their job. Josh Z is coaching the kids and is fabulous with them. He makes it really fun and encourages them the whole way through. A truly positive experience. Highly recommend both iFly and Josh Z!

Visited February 2016



I'd say that somebody better tell Aime B about Josh's rainbow poodles. I mean, she entrusting a strange (pun intended) man to touch her kids and all, so she best have done a background check on him.
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Last updated 02/18/2016

Due to FTC activity and subsequent receivership and legal fees over the last year, Butterfly Labs has insufficient funds to pay out all refund requests at the present time.

BFL Wins!

Another fail for the US agencies.

Enjoy your back full of dicks Josh!

So now we can probably expect Josh back in forums here again......I'm calling such

well learned one thing ..no such thing as consumer protection in the usa anymore..unless you are protected by a corporation and it takes the fall....I miss the news program "60 minutes"
in the 70's / 80's when they would investigate and make the CE0 cry on camera because he is going to prison ..them days are past..but what is it 62 people own the equiv
of 1/2 of all the worlds wealth (or at least the equiv of 1/2 the world population)

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/18/richest-62-billionaires-wealthy-half-world-population-combined

so maybe this is not so surprising...can you imagine how much money would be made if Satoshi was a banker and patented bitcoin and the banks had exclusive use to it

prob be like 11 people owning 1/2 the wealth now instead

got to move to Iceland...all their bankers went to jail..the banks ate the losses....need to go to a sensible country (note : option if trump elected) don't hurt that

the country is in the top 3 or so of most beautiful women in the world......hmmmmmmm

hey josh ...lurking on here ...at least I got a refund out of you on BFL's panic refund 3 week spree when you tried to 'stave off' the FTC investigation ...so I got

my FULL 8.3k refund 1 year and 20 days later...also got into KNC miners to make up the losses I thought were gone forever with BFL ...so as a result I ROI'd and

made more then double the BTC I would have met..if you'd been in an honest company......so FU I win too you dick Smiley

sorry......just a preemptive 'strike' before all the trolls come back into this thread .....

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