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January 20, 2014, 01:28:39 AM
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Here I was about to order some stuff from them..


run away...don't buy from BFL ....it is always the customers at risk ..no refunds after 45days and they are always 4months or more late it seems
at the best imho

.the only place that offers refunds up to shipping i know about is www.kncminer.com

but then again with the way difficulty is rising their batch 3 units (knc) along with everyone else around march..
may be iffy with all the difficulty increases people expect

from cointerra ...hopefully bfl (late as usual i expect end of march) ....bitfury..hashfast etc..they all may dump the same month heh

but again KNC refunds up to shipping so a guy could buy one and then bail.... i'd use usd thou not bitcoin as most of us expect it to rise

there may be other mnfg asic companies that do refunds but most don't...at least not after 45 days ...in knc's manner ...could be wrong none come to mind

truth be told at 810 usd for btc on stamp a person should probably take those $$$ and just get btc...with the expected difficulty rises soon may be safest

my 2c worth

Searing

 

Of course poor little Searing doesn't mention that fact that BFL has been shipping from stock for awhile now.  Order today get it in a few days kinda thing... lots of happy customers as far as that goes.  But Searing wouldn't want to mention that, because it makes him look like the whiny little brat he is.


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January 20, 2014, 01:31:06 AM
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Yeah, it could be a scam.
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January 20, 2014, 08:11:40 AM
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Here I was about to order some stuff from them..


run away...don't buy from BFL ....it is always the customers at risk ..no refunds after 45days and they are always 4months or more late it seems
at the best imho

.the only place that offers refunds up to shipping i know about is www.kncminer.com

but then again with the way difficulty is rising their batch 3 units (knc) along with everyone else around march..
may be iffy with all the difficulty increases people expect

from cointerra ...hopefully bfl (late as usual i expect end of march) ....bitfury..hashfast etc..they all may dump the same month heh

but again KNC refunds up to shipping so a guy could buy one and then bail.... i'd use usd thou not bitcoin as most of us expect it to rise

there may be other mnfg asic companies that do refunds but most don't...at least not after 45 days ...in knc's manner ...could be wrong none come to mind

truth be told at 810 usd for btc on stamp a person should probably take those $$$ and just get btc...with the expected difficulty rises soon may be safest

my 2c worth

Searing

 

Of course poor little Searing doesn't mention that fact that BFL has been shipping from stock for awhile now.  Order today get it in a few days kinda thing... lots of happy customers as far as that goes.  But Searing wouldn't want to mention that, because it makes him look like the whiny little brat he is.



you have ample opportunity to prove me wrong...get your monarchs out by the 1st of Feb as you claim...I don't have a bullet run order but my order is near the top of the batch after...and you are saying..the bfl reps/site anyway... that an order (monarch) today will get you a product in march...so...Feb 1st should be doable unless you are telling folks ordering now a lie about March....esp with the 40,000 unit number you toss around...so yeah......get me my unit 1st week of Feb or so.....say by the 7th....that should be fair with your current representations on monarch orders...so I can get ROI and I'm cutting you slack from your announcement when you told us about them and stated a December shipping date....it is unlikely I will get  them then or get ROI but if I get that I'll give you a 'wash' for last years troubles....in that at least you got on product out more or less in time......and my forced update for last years (april) order crawled to ROI...barely..ain't much but more then you got going for yourself on here now.....step up get them out the door on time!

if it drags out "again" into march as I expect..then you had no realistic expectations of getting any of the monarchs out and both your last product and this current product timelines we're at best 'wishes' on your part ...with NO RISK on BFL's part ..with your "no refund" policy....and thus you had it both ways..if by some miracle your timeline was correct so be it seems to be BFL's attitude .....if not then tough luck to the customers of both generations of asic's and it would seem to be pre-planned to be this sloppy from the get go....in that BFL is covered both ways...sloppy shipping times/results/timelines and promises we're all just 'hype" with little intention of success...

so yeah..get something out in a decent timeline and I may revise my opinion of you that ALL was rigged to BFL's favor or not you are at least TRYING to get something out the door with this lot of stuff..ie you learned something (conversations here on bitcointalk not withstanding)

but if you we're at my end of this conversation with BFL and as a customer with your "sunny disposition" I'm sure you'd be a lot more to say on all this then I ever have..and likely would be just as vocal as most on here as well...

thus the problem with you, bfl and such......it seems all rigged...your failures are carried by the customers....no internal checks/consequences...and you seem clueless to the responsibility and the repercussions of such

so prove me wrong get the dang product out.....the people that felt "forced to upgrade" to a monarch last year.....get at least ROI back so that effort on your part worked...

anyway I assume the above goal is what you want on all this.....a decent shipping time for the monarchs

I could say something more but in the spirit of fairness I'll let the results speak for themselves....

time will tell

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January 20, 2014, 02:26:41 PM
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Here I was about to order some stuff from them..


run away...don't buy from BFL ....it is always the customers at risk ..no refunds after 45days and they are always 4months or more late it seems
at the best imho


Of course poor little Searing doesn't mention that fact that BFL has been shipping from stock for awhile now.  Order today get it in a few days kinda thing... lots of happy customers as far as that goes.  But Searing wouldn't want to mention that, because it makes him look like the whiny little brat he is.


Who the hell wants to order 65nm tech that will not ROI? That product is now a POS that is Garbage at it's current price.
Thats why he didn't mention it, It's because those stupid 65nm ASIC you have were 6-8 months late, and do not ROI now (at current price+difficulty growth rate)

"You forgot that we are shipping POS's to people that don't realise it's garbage", No, he chose not to mention this Failure
What happend to "USB Powered" "Passive heatsink" "Size of a HDD", You went WAY THE FUCK beyond your stated specifications and you're doing it again with the Monarch's.

Seriously, what the fuck is that Horrifying water cooling solution you've come up with? It nolonger fits the "formfactor of a standard GPU", It's gonna take up three slots now

And what the fuck is this?!
Hey Searing... since you think it's going to be a brick, I assume you won't mind if we deliver your unit last, right?  I mean, according to you, a brick is a brick, so if you get it at the end of the line you won't mind, right?

You were not forced in to anything. If you had taken delivery of your 65nm when you were up for it, you would have ROI'd and been in the black already.  You know it, I know it... everyone knows it.  You just want to whine and bitch because that's your hobby.  So please, by all means, cry some more... everyone loves hearing you whine.

Maybe not Forced, but Extorted is the perfect word, BFLiars did a great job pretending to have the first to ship ASIC's Stealing all the potential funds from the competition before they were ready, Before BFL was even ready, It was a clusterfuck of lies that resulted in a product that missed every specification by 300% and shipped 6-8 months late

BFL lied to make it seem that if you didn't order from them, You'd lose the "bitcoin race", Yet at the time of advertising "shipping next month", They had NOTHING

And OH!, If you "made a scene" about how much you disliked BFL, You would get a Forced refund.
Basically BFL Conned ALOT of people into being Invtestors with ZERO return. Think about it, They had nothing but lies till they took our money.

Like, What the fuck is BFL doing? Look at Inaba's fucking post, He's clearly going "I don't like you, so how about because of what you said im going to Fuck your paid order over, and shove you to the back of the line, regardless of when you paid, and when I told you to expect it to ship"

Oh, Lets not forget they've had a "F" BBB rating Twice, and they keep paying the BBB ponzi scheme to change thier rating.
Whats with the FCC CE ETL certified device that has NEVER had power run through it? (Red PCB Monarch prototype) It has no fucking wiring! Yet is FCC certified?!
BULLLL SHIIIITTTT

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January 21, 2014, 12:16:25 AM
Last edit: January 21, 2014, 06:03:01 AM by MooC Tals
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You guys still buying from these fraudsters. No wonder crime pays. BFL is a shady company

For those that don't know here is a good read (be entertained)

http://trilema.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/
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Maybe not Forced, but Extorted is the perfect word, BFLiars did a great job pretending to have the first to ship ASIC's Stealing all the potential funds from the competition before they were ready, Before BFL was even ready, It was a clusterfuck of lies that resulted in a product that missed every specification by 300% and shipped 6-8 months late

BFL lied to make it seem that if you didn't order from them, You'd lose the "bitcoin race", Yet at the time of advertising "shipping next month", They had NOTHING

And OH!, If you "made a scene" about how much you disliked BFL, You would get a Forced refund.
Basically BFL Conned ALOT of people into being Invtestors with ZERO return. Think about it, They had nothing but lies till they took our money.

Like, What the fuck is BFL doing? Look at Inaba's fucking post, He's clearly going "I don't like you, so how about because of what you said im going to Fuck your paid order over, and shove you to the back of the line, regardless of when you paid, and when I told you to expect it to ship"

Oh, Lets not forget they've had a "F" BBB rating Twice, and they keep paying the BBB ponzi scheme to change thier rating.
Whats with the FCC CE ETL certified device that has NEVER had power run through it? (Red PCB Monarch prototype) It has no fucking wiring! Yet is FCC certified?!
BULLLL SHIIIITTTT

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The reason I spar with Josh is that he won't even fess up that he messed up...it is all our fault ..his timeline delays /no refund policy...sneaky knc getting their stuff out way ahead of what BFL expected for timeline....etc etc..all went the wrong way in BFL's view....but it is all our fault somehow and the idea of customer service is somewhat puzzling to them at best....

as for the back of the line comment..it makes little difference at this point in time .my 8k of $$$ is lost to BFL ..i admit it ..monarch forced upgrade or no....it is unlikely I will get ROI of any real note by the time they get something out...(would like to be wrong) but if the past with them is any of any consideration..its all moot....

so again....I can at least have my rights of 'free speech" to make my disappointment in all this known on forums...but alas the $$$ are gone .I doubt they will come thru with a product that will ROI if I'm at the front of the line or rear of the line ...me being more or less in the middle ..it is all moot...the $$$ are toast and FTC etc are not enforcing the internet commerce rules....the combination is that BFL has "played us" imho

at least I had a choice to upgrade or not on my april order as a last hope..again little difference but it was a choice....

i really feel sorry for the noobs i see on www.butterflylabs.com forums yell in forums for help on status of wire xfer or RMA and such with no answers from BFL on anything...looks like the titanic....lots of shouting no answers (by all means for a depressing read float over and read some stuff on forums or ask about shoutbox)...

with their no refund policy and no enforcement by FTC or AG of the county they are in..and small claims from what i heard even the folks that have won can't get cash back..BFL has mangaged thru ineptitude or calculation making a lot of $$$ and providing nothing imho of worth in the process..perhaps they did not mean for it to be a scam..but it seems to be one as everyone watches the dust settle on this whole sad affair...

anyway so it goes imho

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January 21, 2014, 12:27:36 PM
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You guys still buying from these fraudsters. No wonder crime pays. BFL is a shady company

For those that don't know here is a good read (be entertained)

http://trilema.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/
some time peoples like to be scammed and its happening here very offensively no worries about this

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January 21, 2014, 06:31:59 PM
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You guys still buying from these fraudsters. No wonder crime pays. BFL is a shady company

For those that don't know here is a good read (be entertained)

http://trilema.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/
some time peoples like to be scammed and its happening here very offensively no worries about this

too much greed not enough risk
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January 24, 2014, 11:43:01 AM
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Say no to pre-order... it's become the norm but it's got to stop. let the company raise venture capital if they need to... if it's any good it will sell.

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SAY NO TO PREORDER!!!

BFL: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bfl
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Not even surprised. I hope all those that have ordered end up getting their ASICs.
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Not even surprised. I hope all those that have ordered end up getting their ASICs.


probably people have seen this but www.tigerdirect.com is gonna sell BFL products....sigh.....(I HATE to say this but as an evil genius plot it seems to be working well on bfl's part)

here is a bitcoin thread on such

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430931.msg4718371#msg4718371

send tigerdirect a customer feedback report so someone can do a google search and then make the tigerdirect run away fast....

anyway probably no skin off www.tigerdirect.com if they don't ship stuff to them ..they will just show out of stock ..it is the outdated miners from last year that people are gonna get stuck with i'd imagine...

anyway......nice to know www.tigerdirect.com will likely be now first on the list to get stuff ( i doubt they will allow more then 30 days w/o getting product)

interesting times

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January 25, 2014, 09:36:11 AM
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It took forever, but I finally got my Jalapeno.

Extremely glad that I immediately sold it for $300 dollars on ebay.

I didn't even open the box, just forwarded it to someone.

He wasn't very happy about the unit overheating.
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January 25, 2014, 01:22:25 PM
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did anyone take part in BFL's big holiday blowout??? i got a few things since the price was right. now if only they will arrive before it to late to use them   
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January 26, 2014, 04:24:31 AM
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147 page thread on why you shouldn't buy from BFL and there are still people here buying from BFL.


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thanks
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That's because this thread is full of a bunch of whiny cunts wasting everyone's time by continually posting FUD for a personal war on BFL.
Sorry but this horse is so dead I think the bones are dust. 
 
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That's because this thread is full of a bunch of whiny cunts wasting everyone's time by continually posting FUD for a personal war on BFL.
Sorry but this horse is so dead I think the bones are dust. 
 
You think it's dead? Then why is BFL still getting away with Horribly inaccurate "estimates"? Why have they not had a lawsuit against them?
Why have they not been held accountable for their previous actions?

"a bunch of whiny cunts" got money extorted out of them by a pack of liars, "whining" is the least they can do aside from shutting up and letting BFL get away with it all...
Rinse and repeat for fuck sakes, Even tigerdirect is going to be accepting BFL gear *eyeroll* i hope they are smarter than they look

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January 27, 2014, 05:48:18 AM
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That's because this thread is full of a bunch of whiny cunts wasting everyone's time by continually posting FUD for a personal war on BFL.
Sorry but this horse is so dead I think the bones are dust. 
 
You think it's dead? Then why is BFL still getting away with Horribly inaccurate "estimates"? Why have they not had a lawsuit against them?
Why have they not been held accountable for their previous actions?

"a bunch of whiny cunts" got money extorted out of them by a pack of liars, "whining" is the least they can do aside from shutting up and letting BFL get away with it all...
Rinse and repeat for fuck sakes, Even tigerdirect is going to be accepting BFL gear *eyeroll* i hope they are smarter than they look

Its hard to expose horrible backlogs if newbies are convinced to see product already out based on past product.

But yeah, all I can do is bump this thread and few other ones on the BFL monarch and other future products.

And thats one huge mistake on "tigerdirect". They should of done their research on the past incidents.. talk about due diligence.  Roll Eyes


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That's because this thread is full of a bunch of whiny cunts wasting everyone's time by continually posting FUD for a personal war on BFL.
Sorry but this horse is so dead I think the bones are dust.  
 
You think it's dead? Then why is BFL still getting away with Horribly inaccurate "estimates"? Why have they not had a lawsuit against them?
Why have they not been held accountable for their previous actions?

"a bunch of whiny cunts" got money extorted out of them by a pack of liars, "whining" is the least they can do aside from shutting up and letting BFL get away with it all...
Rinse and repeat for fuck sakes, Even tigerdirect is going to be accepting BFL gear *eyeroll* i hope they are smarter than they look

Its hard to expose horrible backlogs if newbies are convinced to see product already out based on past product.

But yeah, all I can do is bump this thread and few other ones on the BFL monarch and other future products.

And thats one huge mistake on "tigerdirect". They should of done their research on the past incidents.. talk about due diligence.  Roll Eyes



Bump all you want, the only people that care are the same trolls that are bumping along with you. You say the same things over and over so many times that anyone with half a brain tuned you out a long time ago, just like an Enzyte commercial. The only thing anyone even remembers from your pointless, endless tirades is the name BFL.  Thank you for advertising us, we appreciate it.

If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it.  There was never anything there in the first place.
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