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Author Topic: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM  (Read 415751 times)
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April 23, 2013, 12:41:44 AM
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You can hate on BFL all you want, but this is a terrible analogy; not only is it offensive (to people that had their child raped or have been raped themselves as children) but it also made you look like a complete asshole.

True dat, yo.  Glad to see I wasn't the only one that thought Pangia came off like a pretentious douchebag.

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April 23, 2013, 12:55:47 AM
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Lol, I love the boolean nature of this thread. Everyone is digging in deep on their positions.

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April 23, 2013, 01:00:42 AM
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more asics being shipped.
just waiting for my 2 to come through
ok link was removed. just head to the most recent facebook post fro butterfly labs
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April 23, 2013, 01:02:57 AM
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Lol, I love the boolean nature of this thread. Everyone is digging in deep on their positions.
No mamdani or TSK or AnYa Fuzzy Rule Based systems here!

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April 23, 2013, 01:10:09 AM
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JML are you a mathematician or a computer scientist?

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April 23, 2013, 01:13:22 AM
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JML are you a mathematician or a computer scientist?

latter Smiley

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April 23, 2013, 01:33:27 AM
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Love how the ads for this thread were for butterflylabs... Backhanded humor.
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April 23, 2013, 01:33:52 AM
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I'm a late-comer to the Bitcoin world, and worried about all ASICs, as I'm sure many are. Especially when (some say IF) the 1500 GH/s miners are shipped.

Currently, I spent $800 to get two 7970s, which are giving me an aggregate of 1.2 GH/s hash rate. This is about 0.001 of the total hash rate of my current pool (Eligius, ~1500 GH/s), and 0.000015 of the total hash rate of the entire network (Blockchain.info, ~76,730 GH/s).

For the same $800, you could be lucky enough to get three 5 GH/s miners from BFL, netting you 15 GH/s or 12.5x my current hash rate. I'm sure there are early adopters out there who can afford the 50 or 1500 GH/s units that BFL is selling.

I wonder what my future hash rate will have to be in order to maintain the status quo (ie. keeping my hash rate 0.001 of my pool, and 0.000015 of the entire network) once ASICs are out in force. Even if you are skeptical of BFL, I'm worried that I have to buy an ASIC just to "maintain the status quo." I'm not trying to get rich, I'm just trying to stay above water!

Or maybe this is like Wargames movie with Matthew Broderick ... the only way to win, is not to play.

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April 23, 2013, 01:43:51 AM
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It is always hard to know who to trust in a market as new as this.... especially with the value going up as much as it did.
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April 23, 2013, 01:47:51 AM
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Send in the shills.
There have to be shills.
20 post newbies appear
Descend from the hills. . .
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April 23, 2013, 01:49:34 AM
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I'm a number theorist who moved over into crypto because he likes money

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April 23, 2013, 02:03:54 AM
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So if these are legit, won't this totally change the face of mining?  I mean, GPU mining did it once, and it's going to happen again.  Mining efficiently will become a serious investment.

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April 23, 2013, 02:09:03 AM
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As long as there is some profit to be made I will mine...to cover my hardware costs.
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April 23, 2013, 02:19:14 AM
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So if these are legit, won't this totally change the face of mining?  I mean, GPU mining did it once, and it's going to happen again.  Mining efficiently will become a serious investment.
That is the whole point of advancement... To advance... and Grow...

Without advancement, you fail to provide what is commonly called, "supply".

Yes, it will alter the market.
 - Faster transactions
 - More stability in value
 - Harder to hack, and disrupt, once again
 - Reduced overhead losses from "electric" expenses, which is the greatest overhead at the moment

Will that kill GPU processing?
 - No, new cards come out all the time
 - They are still profitable as-is
 - They can still make money from "transaction-fees"
 - They can still mine new and emergent "parallel" systems to balance the existing advanced "bitcoin" market
 - They can be re-sold for, um, actually playing games, giving money to those for the "advanced" rigs of tomorrow

It is not a total loss... they have had over a YEAR to prepare for the inevitable, and make provisions for advancement.

It is not like we are just going to wake-up tomorrow, and poof, a million 1000GH/s machines are going to be online. They are slowly rolling out, which continues to add to the stability and lower the "shock", while allowing the market to self-regulate and expand.

You also imply that $120 USD bitcoins are some-how actually justified. That value only exists because of GPU processing. Just as $1000USD per BTC will be the new level of "justified value", once the volume of transactions picks-up.
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April 23, 2013, 02:24:24 AM
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So do we still think there's no truth to butterfly labs honoring their orders & the equipment actually meeting expectations?
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April 23, 2013, 05:35:42 AM
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website looks cheesy

Not always a justification for a scam. Plus they've had that site for over a good year.
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April 23, 2013, 05:46:46 AM
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Even if BFL doesn't ship in time to make $10k a month (the projected income for BTC/USD for the 60Gh/s units),  I will still be able to (at the very least) make a few hundred a month and considering that I only $1400 for the unit, I'll have it paid off in less than six months and make extra money afterwards.  I doubt I'll be making any less than a few thousand a month, but I'm setting my standards very low.
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April 23, 2013, 05:50:25 AM
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I will also roll all over my floor laughing at all the people making fun of me because I took a risk with BFL.  Believe me,  I will gladly throw it in your face that I'm at 60gh/s with a wonderful video and a few pictures.   Shit, I'll throw in a pic of my wallet after 24 hours of mining, just to piss you off.   
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April 23, 2013, 06:22:11 AM
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Honestly, I think I will purchase the little one during the summer.

Most of the time I can feel if something is going to be a scam or not, and for some reason, this seems legit enough.

Yeah it might be a risk, but it would be a risk that would be beneficial if they come through.
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April 23, 2013, 07:41:06 AM
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Anyone tried to buy any off ebay ? What order numbers are likely to be in the first shipments ?
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