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May 24, 2013, 09:39:53 PM
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Sonny has gone on a plea bargain so the prosecutor didnt have to prove shit. He didnt even get a trial, since he cut a deal and simply went to jail.

Yes, which means it's proven for all intents and purposes, such as a subsequent civil suit.

I'm sure he just pled guilty for the fun of it because he loves prison, though.  He didn't actually do any of that shit.


I am not making judgements here, since I have no clue about the case. However, if you have ever been accused of anything and been put under pressure by a hot shot prosecutor who wants indictments more than anything, who will try getting you 400 years in prison on your first offence... well if you have a shitty lawyer, you might just want to say yes to that even if you are innocent.

Again: Im not making any call on Sonny. Taking the bargain might have been a deal even if he would have been innocent and simply "badly affiliated." I am quite glad to have a lawyer that would likely answer "U MAD??!?!?!" and demand a trial for me here in Germany... lucky we have only had civil law suits so far, mostly about people trying to rip ME off.
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May 24, 2013, 10:06:13 PM
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In America it's innocent until proven guilty. If they're a scam then you should have no problem proving it.

I agree with this, but sometimes it is hard to prove as well.

Wasn't that hard for the prosecutor to prove Sonny V. was a felon.  Perhaps he was innocent at one point, but now he's a convicted felon.

Can you show me a government website that shows this information? Also, just because someone does something wrong, doesn't mean they will continue doing it. The top burglars in the world have created the best security systems. Hell even Kevin Mitnick went on to design some of the best security features that are even in use on bank checks today.

Sonny has gone on a plea bargain so the prosecutor didnt have to prove shit. He didnt even get a trial, since he cut a deal and simply went to jail.



Being in jail would still put him on over 30 websites and show his arrest record. So, show hard evidence. Not just he said, she said and hearsay.


"Also, just because someone does something wrong, doesn't mean they will continue doing it. The top burglars in the world have created the best security systems. Hell even Kevin Mitnick went on to design some of the best security features that are even in use on bank checks today."
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May 24, 2013, 10:49:29 PM
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In America it's innocent until proven guilty. If they're a scam then you should have no problem proving it.

I agree with this, but sometimes it is hard to prove as well.

Wasn't that hard for the prosecutor to prove Sonny V. was a felon.  Perhaps he was innocent at one point, but now he's a convicted felon.

Can you show me a government website that shows this information? Also, just because someone does something wrong, doesn't mean they will continue doing it. The top burglars in the world have created the best security systems. Hell even Kevin Mitnick went on to design some of the best security features that are even in use on bank checks today.

Sonny has gone on a plea bargain so the prosecutor didnt have to prove shit. He didnt even get a trial, since he cut a deal and simply went to jail.



Being in jail would still put him on over 30 websites and show his arrest record. So, show hard evidence. Not just he said, she said and hearsay.


"Also, just because someone does something wrong, doesn't mean they will continue doing it. The top burglars in the world have created the best security systems. Hell even Kevin Mitnick went on to design some of the best security features that are even in use on bank checks today."

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May 24, 2013, 11:30:38 PM
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A very good scam, though. Gain some credibility and use that to get money until people realize what you're really made out of. At that point, you might have a product working and gain more trust. Run on that for a little more and keep going.

That box showed at Bitcoin Convention can be fake, very easy to do this.  Tongue

Or they only have built like 5 of them. Back when Apple showed their first Apple ][ at the Westcoast Computer Faire in 1977 they only had 5 computers built. They did manage to deliver though eventually. Lots of computer companies in the '70s/'80s did the same and failed to deliver and went broke, leaving their customers holding the bag. The current ASIC market is VERY reminiscant of that early period of personal computing. Exciting times but potentially very costly if you make the wrong choice.
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May 25, 2013, 12:08:19 AM
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For all those looking for a sure thing in bitcoin ASIC mining equipment, welcome to the world of venture investments Wink
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May 25, 2013, 12:12:21 AM
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Based on Josh's announcement of 5/23, they should be shipping units today.  Anyone know if they actually shipped anything?
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May 25, 2013, 12:19:14 AM
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hahaha, I just finished reading that post too. ... I wonder when those orders were placed.

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May 25, 2013, 12:51:44 AM
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Based on Josh's announcement of 5/23, they should be shipping units today.  Anyone know if they actually shipped anything?
Yeah, they shipped a couple Japthings, apparently.
Anyone got this 1,5TH/S minirig (with 1500W requirement), yet ?

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May 25, 2013, 12:55:07 AM
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Based on Josh's announcement of 5/23, they should be shipping units today.  Anyone know if they actually shipped anything?
Anyone got this 1,5TH/S minirig (with 1500W requirement), yet ?
No, because they're still - if you're lucky - spending that pre-order money to try and design it. And they will fail, of course.

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May 25, 2013, 12:57:10 AM
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Based on Josh's announcement of 5/23, they should be shipping units today.  Anyone know if they actually shipped anything?
Yeah, they shipped a couple Japthings, apparently.
Anyone got this 1,5TH/S minirig (with 1500W requirement), yet ?

If you mean the minirig, it has been downgraded to 500GH/s.

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May 25, 2013, 01:02:01 AM
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Would it be beneficial to mine on their own devices? Hell yes! More than just selling them.
No. It wouldn't. Thanks for discrediting yourself very early on.


Can you explain this "discredit" rather than just assert it?

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May 25, 2013, 01:05:59 AM
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Based on Josh's announcement of 5/23, they should be shipping units today.  Anyone know if they actually shipped anything?
Yeah, they shipped a couple Japthings, apparently.
Anyone got this 1,5TH/S minirig (with 1500W requirement), yet ?

If you mean the minirig, it has been downgraded to 500GH/s.

Exactly my point!
Since they guarantee you'll get the GH/S you ordered, it means:
- It'll take 3x more space
- It'll suck 3x more electricity (because that's the obvious reason why 1,5TH/S cannot be acheived with one unit)

[OVER] RIDDLES 2nd edition --- this was claimed. Look out for 3rd edition!
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May 25, 2013, 01:17:19 AM
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with the money of preorder ,BTF can buy many rig
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May 25, 2013, 01:20:27 AM
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Based on Josh's announcement of 5/23, they should be shipping units today.  Anyone know if they actually shipped anything?
Yeah, they shipped a couple Japthings, apparently.
Anyone got this 1,5TH/S minirig (with 1500W requirement), yet ?

If you mean the minirig, it has been downgraded to 500GH/s.

Exactly my point!
Since they guarantee you'll get the GH/S you ordered, it means:
- It'll take 3x more space
- It'll suck 3x more electricity (because that's the obvious reason why 1,5TH/S cannot be acheived with one unit)


A bit lost. Are you saying that those who ordered the 1 TH/s one are getting 3x 500 GH/s ones instead?

4.5KW an hour doesn't seem too bad for that much speed (assuming 3x electricity at 1.5KW per).
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May 25, 2013, 01:30:49 AM
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Based on Josh's announcement of 5/23, they should be shipping units today.  Anyone know if they actually shipped anything?
Yeah, they shipped a couple Japthings, apparently.
Anyone got this 1,5TH/S minirig (with 1500W requirement), yet ?

If you mean the minirig, it has been downgraded to 500GH/s.

Exactly my point!
Since they guarantee you'll get the GH/S you ordered, it means:
- It'll take 3x more space
- It'll suck 3x more electricity (because that's the obvious reason why 1,5TH/S cannot be acheived with one unit)


A bit lost. Are you saying that those who ordered the 1 TH/s one are getting 3x 500 GH/s ones instead?

4.5KW an hour doesn't seem too bad for that much speed (assuming 3x electricity at 1.5KW per).

Might not sound too bad for you.
Just 300% more than what was advertised when you paid.

And if we stick to the JalaFailures, it'll be more around 7 or 800%

Unless you pre-order a lot more Singles, which might let their fake R&D team time and budget to design a few dodgy prototypes and feed them to noisy beleivers.

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May 25, 2013, 01:35:18 AM
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How do you tell scams from good ideas?
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May 25, 2013, 01:44:16 AM
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This is completely off-topic, but if you're familiar with scamming art, you can document all of your tricks in the scamming accusations forum, and it might end up sticky.

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May 25, 2013, 02:02:22 AM
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And you kids will be the ones crying after everyone else is mining 1TH/s.
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May 25, 2013, 02:05:38 AM
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And another two post shill account hits the bozo filter.
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May 25, 2013, 03:04:07 AM
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How do you tell scams from good ideas?


Scams can be a good idea which is never followed through.

A scammer keeps the money, a legitimate person returns it.
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